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Fair enough!
Haha, you don't have a data set. And in the sample you have I've already proved SB to be double the opener that Malik is. Facts:Anwaar said:
1. SB outperforms Malik in the tests they open together using the limited sample we have.
2. Malik only performs well against SL in the subcontinental pitches (we have a sufficient data set for this).
3. Malik only performs against B or C quality bowlers as an opener using the limited sample we have.
4. Malik's batting in the 4th inning is highly positively correlated with Pakistan;s losing the game.
5. Malik's test average peaked in his 16th test at 41. He now averages 36 in 29 tests. So, every 13 tests, his average drops by 5 runs. By the time Malik plays his 63rd test (same as YK), Malik will average 23 in tests as a batsman. I've used the proprietary Anwaar algorithm for this calculation.
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how someone could support malik is beyond me. i hope he's made to carry the drinks.
Shahid Afridi has said one of his immediate priorities as Pakistan's new captain is to ensure his players aren't guilty of any unruly behaviour while on tour. Pakistan cricket has had its reputation in tatters of late with a history of infighting within the team and Afridi sent out a warning to his team-mates before departing for the Asia Cup that any indiscipline will not be tolerated.
The squad for the tournament in Sri Lanka includes two controversial players in Shoaib Malik and Shoaib Akhtar, who have been accused of either flouting team rules or creating rifts within the team. Afridi said he had a word with both in particular and expected them to set a better example going forward.
http://www.cricinfo.com/asia2010/content/story/462628.html
The squad for the tournament in Sri Lanka includes two controversial players in Shoaib Malik and Shoaib Akhtar, who have been accused of either flouting team rules or creating rifts within the team. Afridi said he had a word with both in particular and expected them to set a better example going forward.
http://www.cricinfo.com/asia2010/content/story/462628.html
A video of the PCB's inquiry committee investigations into the ill-fated Australia tour has revealed the level of in-fighting and disunity within the Pakistan side. Though not new as such, the video - leaked to a leading channel in Pakistan - confirms speculation surrounding the startling level of distrust and discord between senior members of the side.
Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik is at the centre of it, accused by team-mates and coaches of being a negative influence in the team. In the video, Malik is ultimately described by a committee member as a "termite", with broader criticism of his role ranging from backbiting against players to politicking within the team.
"He (Malik) is a negative person and he creates problems. I wanted him to be sent back home," former coach Intikhab Alam told the committee members. Intikhab also said that Malik had initially agreed to bat at No.3 but shied away during the tour of New Zealand, which preceded the Australia series. He also accuses him of deliberately sitting out of the second Test at Sydney.
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/460164.html
Former Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik is at the centre of it, accused by team-mates and coaches of being a negative influence in the team. In the video, Malik is ultimately described by a committee member as a "termite", with broader criticism of his role ranging from backbiting against players to politicking within the team.
"He (Malik) is a negative person and he creates problems. I wanted him to be sent back home," former coach Intikhab Alam told the committee members. Intikhab also said that Malik had initially agreed to bat at No.3 but shied away during the tour of New Zealand, which preceded the Australia series. He also accuses him of deliberately sitting out of the second Test at Sydney.
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/460164.html
Police in the Indian city of Hyderabad have registered a complaint of cheating against Shoaib Malik, the former Pakistan captain. The complaint has been filed by Ayesha Siddiqui, a Hyderabad resident who claims to be his wife, and whom Malik in turn has accused of cheating him.
The police, who questioned Malik on Monday morning and seized his passport - they later said it was for scrutiny and had not been impounded - said the sections under which the complaint had been filed covered harassment, cheating to marry another girl and criminal intimidation including threats.
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/454822.html
The police, who questioned Malik on Monday morning and seized his passport - they later said it was for scrutiny and had not been impounded - said the sections under which the complaint had been filed covered harassment, cheating to marry another girl and criminal intimidation including threats.
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/454822.html
In a surprisingly frank assessment of Shoaib Malik's captaincy, the Pakistan team management concluded that he was "a loner" and "aloof" and unable to forge meaningful communication with his team, before deciding to replace him as captain with Younis Khan.
"We found him to be a loner, aloof and involved in his own little world, which is OK, but not when the team required a fully committed captain," the report said. Intikhab and Saeed also found that members of the Pakistan team were not comfortable with Malik's leadership. "We do not see any meaningful communication between players and captain other than his [Malik's] five-minute talk during the team meeting. We have also not noticed him spending quality time with his players, which a successful captain must.
"To be honest, it is very evident that the team is not looking up to their captain. We believe that this team ... needs a new leader. Looking around the team and beyond, in our humble opinion, the name of Younis Khan comes to mind."
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/389918.html
"We found him to be a loner, aloof and involved in his own little world, which is OK, but not when the team required a fully committed captain," the report said. Intikhab and Saeed also found that members of the Pakistan team were not comfortable with Malik's leadership. "We do not see any meaningful communication between players and captain other than his [Malik's] five-minute talk during the team meeting. We have also not noticed him spending quality time with his players, which a successful captain must.
"To be honest, it is very evident that the team is not looking up to their captain. We believe that this team ... needs a new leader. Looking around the team and beyond, in our humble opinion, the name of Younis Khan comes to mind."
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/389918.html
Malik Does a U-turn on Shoaib
Two days after seemingly calling time on Shoaib Akhtar's international future, Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik has backtracked on his views that the team needed to "move on" beyond the fast bowler, who lacked commitment during their 129-run defeat to Sri Lanka in the second ODI at Karachi.
Malik had called into question Shoaib's commitment in the field and his fitness in maintaining speeds over ten overs. But ahead of the final ODI in Lahore, Malik surprisingly denied he had singled out anyone.
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/387582.html
Two days after seemingly calling time on Shoaib Akhtar's international future, Pakistan captain Shoaib Malik has backtracked on his views that the team needed to "move on" beyond the fast bowler, who lacked commitment during their 129-run defeat to Sri Lanka in the second ODI at Karachi.
Malik had called into question Shoaib's commitment in the field and his fitness in maintaining speeds over ten overs. But ahead of the final ODI in Lahore, Malik surprisingly denied he had singled out anyone.
http://www.cricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/387582.html
Rarely has Pakistan been as sidelined in world cricket as it is currently. There are reasons on and off the field for this, but in both cases the fault is that of weak leadership.
Shoaib Malik is a good guy but he has not created a winning environment for the team on the field. If you look at teams such as Australia or South Africa, you can see that there is a winning environment in place. Under Malik, players have felt left out and not felt involved in strategy-making. There isn't that sense of cohesion, and that is something the captain is responsible for.
The worry is that he has been in the job for over a year now and the concerns refuse to go away. There has been nothing exciting about his captaincy. He also doesn't come across as a particularly astute leader and players crib that they are dropped from the team for reasons other than those to do with on-field performance. If that is true, there are severe problems in the dressing room. Every captain needs the respect and support of his team; maybe Malik isn't getting that.
Above all, he doesn't hold his place in the side in either Tests or one-day internationals. If he is bowling well and often, then at least in the ODI side he can contribute. But in Tests his technique will be found out against the likes of Australia and South Africa.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/362211.html
Shoaib Malik is a good guy but he has not created a winning environment for the team on the field. If you look at teams such as Australia or South Africa, you can see that there is a winning environment in place. Under Malik, players have felt left out and not felt involved in strategy-making. There isn't that sense of cohesion, and that is something the captain is responsible for.
The worry is that he has been in the job for over a year now and the concerns refuse to go away. There has been nothing exciting about his captaincy. He also doesn't come across as a particularly astute leader and players crib that they are dropped from the team for reasons other than those to do with on-field performance. If that is true, there are severe problems in the dressing room. Every captain needs the respect and support of his team; maybe Malik isn't getting that.
Above all, he doesn't hold his place in the side in either Tests or one-day internationals. If he is bowling well and often, then at least in the ODI side he can contribute. But in Tests his technique will be found out against the likes of Australia and South Africa.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/362211.html
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taaveez said:
needless. you're just digging up trash. especially this last post with his personal life.
you're forgetting this is the man who brought us sania bhabi.
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taaveez said:
I didn't like when this happened, but what about all the rubbish from Inzamam about Shoaib?
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taaveez said:
Not two controversial players. Three. Afridi himself, who has singlehandedly done more to ruin Pakistan cricket's reputation than any other player (Sarfraz post-retirement might be a candidate).
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taaveez said:
no you're digging up trash because that;s all you're looking for. and you'll find a whole lot more of it about afridi.
that last line about sania mirza was a joke.
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the SHA said:
sania's out though isn't she?
Then, I'll post it in an Afridi thread. Last I checked, this thread was about Malik.FastBowler said:
Meanwhile, why don't you help Anwaar out and post for us some of the non-trash stuff? And excluding performance as a player, cuz we already covered it in the previous posts.
Why didn't Malik come at 3 today? Why did Fawad, a guy not on the touring party play in the 3-day game and Malik hide at 4? Surely if Malik is to be the "senior" and take over YK's role so he can average 50....why is he not batting at 3?
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Amir said:
Because captain wanted him to come at #4
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how do you know there was some other reason?
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urmm, in the absence of real evidence you look back at the other mitigating factors, i.e. all the articles that were posted by Taveez!
There is saying 'you made your own bed so lie in it!'
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Career avg as Opener
SM: 42.6
SB: 31.52
Avg for first 7 Tests (as Malik played only 7 tests as an opener)
SM: 42.6
SB: 31.52
Avg after 3 Jun 2005 onward since SB completed 7 Tests.
SM: 42.6
SB 35.83
Plus SB is of no competition, stats proves that SM is the highest averaged opener for pakistan after Tasleem and Saeed.
Well above, SM's avg as opener is higher that Hanif, sadiq, Majid, Sohail, etc. etc. etc. the list is too long. Please refer below if you want to know those names:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...;size=10;team=7;template=results;type=batting
SM: 42.6
SB: 31.52
Avg for first 7 Tests (as Malik played only 7 tests as an opener)
SM: 42.6
SB: 31.52
Avg after 3 Jun 2005 onward since SB completed 7 Tests.
SM: 42.6
SB 35.83
Plus SB is of no competition, stats proves that SM is the highest averaged opener for pakistan after Tasleem and Saeed.
Well above, SM's avg as opener is higher that Hanif, sadiq, Majid, Sohail, etc. etc. etc. the list is too long. Please refer below if you want to know those names:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...;size=10;team=7;template=results;type=batting
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Anwaar said:
Anwaar is this a big wind up?? If so you've managed to entice a lot people here including me!
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..why can't ppl support the WHOLE team, as our support is needed...dont care if Malik plays or not..lets just get behind the team rather than bickering in a 100-page useless thread like this.
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in_cutter said:
in_cutter, I salute to your patriotism and share your sentiments.
But this thread is to have a critical view on SM's contribution as a individual player, Batsman, bowler, fielder and also as a team person on and off the field.
There are other thread of similar concepts (support MoYo/YK/Sami/Fawad/Faisal Iqbal etc) and do not see it as immoral.
Here posters have no real input or say in selection of real squad and posts do not have any academic value.
My purpose here on PP is to have little fun and to kill some time during my family is on long trip to Pakistan. After two months, I would say good bye to PP.
If I may suggest, don't be serious and enjoy your stay here.
Have fun.
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IMMY69 said:
Expect few more data sets, (already provided three in this thread), maybe this week end.
Whats the meaning of "entice" by the way?
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Anwaar keep it mate you are doing malik proud.I can see malik having yousafesque golden run at no4.
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IMMY69 said:
I still have to "prove" to you that those leaked clips were edited. right?
Why all the home work for me and nothing for you.
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SS, thanks, I do appreciate.saeed-sohail said:
Hopefully even SM make 40, i desire it be contributed to victories. Not like last time, Huge averages but no wins.
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taaveez said:
You get personal so easily. May I ask, why?
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IMMY69 said:
Umm taaveez was digging up trash about stuff like his married life. What significance that has, I'm not sure.
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Hang on there mate,Few of us watched that interview on his return from CT where he clearly stated that he will not bat in top three from now on.Anwaar said:
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There would have been win if we had first choice attack available in first three tests and billy,hair and Inzi had not screwed us in leeds.Anwaar said:
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and what about the other articles????
There are articles after articles talking about Malik being a disruptive influence. Provide me one bit of evidence to suggest otherwise? Even a statement from Malik would suffice....
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Anwaar said:
allure, attract, cajole, coax, decoy, inveigle, lure, persuade, prevail on, seduce, tempt, wheedle....
What's so special about "married life" that we cannot use to prove Malik's continued moral spiral downwards? If you can quote MoYo's beard, YK's fan beating, Akhtar's club life, etc., why should Malik be spared, esp. when he has been alleged to be a fraudster, and this argument is about his morals? If you can't handle a simple argument like this, I suggest you sit in the spectators stand.FastBowler said:
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taaveez said:
Simple. I don't quote Akhtar's club life (Malik's pretty good there too). Younus has had problems (of course that's at the ground so its different). Mohammad Yousuf, I don't mention his beard either.
It wasn't a simple argument, it was trash talk.
Welcome to Fastbowler's little world of rules.FastBowler said:
1. If something happens on the physical ground (i.e. with grass and some bushes), it can be ridiculed.
2. If something happens on the phone or in the "muhallas", oh please touch your ears and say, "tauba, tauba".
I maintain, you can't seem to be able to handle a simple argument.
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IMMY69 said:
I hope one of them (except seduce) makes some sense.
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taaveez said:
Just be witty and smart and you will have all my attention.
Even you would try to avoid pushy and bashing comments.
taaveez said:Now, I'll start posting some relevant Malik stats this weekend as well. Stay tuned.
Great, thats the purpose of this thread to bring positives and negatives of SM to light.
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saeed-sohail said:
I have not seen that but I believe your words.
Whats your objection to it?
Malik ready for opening role
Shoaib Malik has said he is ready to take on the role of an opener in the upcoming Champions Trophy, but insisted he didn't want the position to be a makeshift one.
http://www.cricinfo.com/iccct2009/content/story/425264.html
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saeed-sohail said:
Again I have to agree with you.
But other would take it as excuse.
but I am not taking credit away from someone who scored as Cricket is an individual sport inside team sport.
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IMMY69 said:
Yes there are several articles accusing SM of so many evil things.
But as you asking FastBowler the "evidence" why don't you furnish the evidence first of the accusations made against SM?
Regarding testimonies, there is direct conflict of interests of the accusing parties. Plus, Raqeeb gave him clean chit. I need evidence supporting accusations. Hope you would oblige.
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Anwaar said:
Surely the logical thing woul dhav ebeen for Malik to come out and deny all the accusations...Seems a little strange that he's kept quiet about it...What happened to 'in 24 hours I'll expose Moyo' statement???
Its laughable that anyone including the PCB, since they are the employees of Malik, would say nothing at all in the face of such drastic accusations...Accusations that have been printed on all the papers, the world wide web, and ofcourse in television shows too...
So the logical way of approaching this is to find Malik guilty in all this...I dont see how anyone can a different view...If the world is saying it and saying it like it was fact and its not being denied then the answer is starring everyone in the face!
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IMMY69 said:
Thanks for the evidence. Now its part of court record.
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taaveez said:
Yes he was a loner who was also a ring leader of world most secretive organization, while married to an indian female somo wrestler, during his affairs with Miss India and an indian popular tennis player. Simultaneously.
I do not see any contradiction in above statement. do you?
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taaveez said:
You find his personal life so intriguing and relevant to his performance on the field?
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Man, so all based on past evidence. I bet even the players will move on someday but fans like you will not. Maybe, Afridi didn't want Malik to come up at 3? Maybe it wasn't up to Malik this time? Not unless you present proof that this and that has currently occurred with sources, lets not bs on stuff from the past.IMMY69 said:
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Guys .... Time break...
If you want to throw kitchen sink to Malik, go ahead but here is my take on different issues.
- Re: With Love from Hyderabad ... He was tricked into by a v beautiful friend of "appa". He was blackmailed by Indian media and Hyderabad police. Sania's father asked him to "buy" the deal and he obliged.
- Re: Oath Saga, he was just one of the participant in MoYo hotel room.
- Re: He criticized MoYo after sydney, but then who hasn't.
Please also convey your take on the incident when 7/8 players "rebel" against SM and labelled him as loaner.
(During the last hearing in parliament/senate (where Ijab Butt hugged YK ) , YK stated that SM thought he was behind this rebellion but he (yk) had nothing to do with that).
Please condemn those 7-8 rebels first.
If you want to throw kitchen sink to Malik, go ahead but here is my take on different issues.
- Re: With Love from Hyderabad ... He was tricked into by a v beautiful friend of "appa". He was blackmailed by Indian media and Hyderabad police. Sania's father asked him to "buy" the deal and he obliged.
- Re: Oath Saga, he was just one of the participant in MoYo hotel room.
- Re: He criticized MoYo after sydney, but then who hasn't.
Please also convey your take on the incident when 7/8 players "rebel" against SM and labelled him as loaner.
(During the last hearing in parliament/senate (where Ijab Butt hugged YK
) , YK stated that SM thought he was behind this rebellion but he (yk) had nothing to do with that).Please condemn those 7-8 rebels first.
LOL, the minimum-sample-size trend is down, not up. The slope of your arrow is greater than the slope of the curve in the last few tests.Anwaar said:
I maintain, you have only shown statistically wrong extrapolations in this thread. In this extreme case, you have taken a 2-test average and extended it to the next 6 tests.
I copy/paste from above:
Honest piece of advice. If you want to switch from defending Malik on performance to defending him on politics/backbiting, first read the articles I pasted above. The fact that you are struggling to even explain what he did tells me more than your actual sentences.Anwaar said:Guys .... Time break...
If you want to throw kitchen sink to Malik, go ahead but here is my take on different issues.
- Re: With Love from Hyderabad ... He was tricked into by a v beautiful friend of "appa". He was blackmailed by Indian media and Hyderabad police. Sania's father asked him to "buy" the deal and he obliged.
- Re: Oath Saga, he was just one of the participant in MoYo hotel room.
- Re: He criticized MoYo after sydney, but then who hasn't.
Please also convey your take on the incident when 7/8 players "rebel" against SM and labelled him as loaner.
(During the last hearing in parliament/senate (where Ijab Butt hugged YK
Please condemn those 7-8 rebels first.
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taaveez said:
If you have objection with linear (conservative) projection, I wont mind if you project exponentially.
from graph, i tried to show support level at ~ 35
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taaveez said:Honest piece of advice. If you want to switch from defending Malik on performance to defending him on politics/backbiting, first read the articles I pasted above. The fact that you are struggling to even explain what he did tells me more than your actual sentences.
Well its up to critics of SM which route they take; performance and/or attitude. We are here to clear their misconceptions and assist them to think fair.
there are more than my 150 post re his marriage issue in timepass>his marriage issue.
and similar or more regarding his "negative" attitude.
It would be be a exhausting copy paste exercise for us.
Please decrypt "The fact that you are struggling to even explain what he did tells me more than your actual sentences."
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Well, you are back to your true self:Anwaar said:
1. Completely ignore someone's pointing out your graphical manipulation (incorrect slope of the arrow/tangent)
2. Continue to cling on to extrapolations to make a claim
3. Continue to offer conflicting explanations (showing "support" vs drawing a trend arrow) when probed for your claim
As far as your support at 35 is concerned, Malik (like any cricketer) isn't a stock where money flows can support price volatility. He's a player who is past his peak and now into continued decline.
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the day 
parchi gets kicked out or retires from pak team me and my buddys will dance like weav won the world cup ...coz of lantis one stupid mistake of not taking moyo with the team to t20 wc 2007 all this team infighting started . is a trator ..hes betrayed the whole nation ..may allah swt listen to duas of os pak fans get rid of 
..every time i see him in pak team i swear i feel like breaking the tv set ...
parchi gets kicked out or retires from pak team me and my buddys will dance like weav won the world cup ...coz of lantis one stupid mistake of not taking moyo with the team to t20 wc 2007 all this team infighting started . is a trator ..hes betrayed the whole nation ..may allah swt listen to duas of os pak fans get rid of ..every time i see him in pak team i swear i feel like breaking the tv set ...
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you mean tractor?
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IMMY69 said:
He said twice (at least).
Once, when he was with his counsel to lodge his appeal against ban. He said to media that he was clean.
Second, when ban was lifted and fine was reduced, he said "it proved his innocence"
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taaveez said:
This was in response to a post where poster projected that SM would hit ~20 as he touched ~40 at $# and in trend is in "Sell" mode.
I do not see that post now, maybe poster edited that post.
The arrow is for that poster (you can ignore it)
horizontal coordinates of graphs are (0, 5,10,15,20,25,29)
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Malik did well today.
Got two wickets as well. Hope he picks up the momentum and scores great from now on.
Got two wickets as well. Hope he picks up the momentum and scores great from now on.
Free Hit
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Pakistan hopes rely high on shoaib maliks performance, he is crucial in middle order, hoping for 4-5 hundreds from him this summer
Black Zero
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Free Hit said:
5 hundreds in 6 innings. No biggy!
Black Zero
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cryptkeeper* said:
Lot of pressure on Malik and historically he performs better when under pressure.
But it may also a negative effect when you can not play your natural game.
Kriketer
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Free Hit said:
Malik and Test cricket is a big No No...regardless of how senior he is I would never ever play him in Test matches. I rather feel more comfortable with Fawad Alam in playing 11 than Malik.
Though Moon is a good ODI and T20 player.
Black Zero
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UmarAkmals-fan said:the day
I didn't read your post well enough earlier.
Very thoughtful post.
FastBowler
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Anwaar said:
oi anwaar read the the trouble with younus khan thread
Black Zero
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FastBowler said:
oi anwaar read the the trouble with younus khan thread
Things are not going fine for YK.
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Free Hit said:
) Theres more chance of Hell freezing over!I see flying pigs in the sky!
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