Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?


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Match is lost due to bad planning.

Pakistan was batting second. (Check the record for this wicket)

Only chance Pakistan had to score when ball was "not-old" and hafeez played 2 and half over in first 10 overs in dot balls.

He got no clue about it...

Why blaming malik/Afridi ...no one knows his role

and we have heard about 1/2 players as a floater..but hafeez has used #4 to #8 as a floater

Hafeez is an incapable leader.
Malik has defeated him (aka FW) several times even in domestic.
Malik's batted second, first, on all different pitches flat or bouncy. And he's not registered big scores at all in the last few years. Compare his record before to what it is now?

Malik knows his role. He's a batsman. Batting at number 5 or 6 usually. How is that confusing?

Again as I've said, do you really think it's incapable of any batsman to score when it's not-old. Malik has come in plenty of times later on in the innings while chasing and scored in domestic.

Malik defeated him even in domestic? Malik's a very good player in domestic and the best captain with often the best team. Course he beat Hafeez. But it's kind of irrelevant Hafeez's captaincy skills to Malik's own form.

You never answer the question of why Malik isn't making runs these days. By your logic, looks like Malik is incapable of making scores when the ball is "not-old" on tough wickets? Is that right? If anything why do you expect so little of Malik when he's scoring 50s and 100s for fun in domestic, yet happy with the occassional 20 he provides at an average of around 15 these days? Makes no sense.
 
Malik's batted second, first, on all different pitches flat or bouncy. And he's not registered big scores at all in the last few years. Compare his record before to what it is now?

Malik knows his role. He's a batsman. Batting at number 5 or 6 usually. How is that confusing?

Again as I've said, do you really think it's incapable of any batsman to score when it's not-old. Malik has come in plenty of times later on in the innings while chasing and scored in domestic.

Malik defeated him even in domestic? Malik's a very good player in domestic and the best captain with often the best team. Course he beat Hafeez. But it's kind of irrelevant Hafeez's captaincy skills to Malik's own form.

You never answer the question of why Malik isn't making runs these days. By your logic, looks like Malik is incapable of making scores when the ball is "not-old" on tough wickets? Is that right? If anything why do you expect so little of Malik when he's scoring 50s and 100s for fun in domestic, yet happy with the occassional 20 he provides at an average of around 15 these days? Makes no sense.

- Match was already lost at the time Malik arrived.
- #5/6, you must be joking, he has not played on same position in 2 consecutive innings.
- Match is won by planning...SS defeated FW even when FW got superior players. only through better planning.
- Do not expect any player to win matches for you when you sent him at #8 48 hrs ago.
- Yes, wicket was extremely not suited for T20

by Bal: "The sight of a wearing pitch can play tricks on the mind. Anything could happen. The ball could spit, snarl, jump, turn, shoot, or could do none of the above. Reading the ball from the hand, or judging the length could mean nothing because the surface could grant the ball a will of its own. Or it could all be a grand deception and batting could be just as easy as the other day."[/I]

^^
Where is Malik's contribution?????????

We may get rid of :hafeez
 
Why should he win match for you?

He has not played on same position is two matches consecutively in this T20WC.

Why do you expect him to clean the mess created by top order?

Oh im sorry i thought he was plating for pakistan not his average..you say he is a great player..great playets win matches from adversity not wait for their groupie fans to make excuses..thank you for admitting he isnt a great player and cant win matches for us..hence you should agree to his removal from the side..
 
Oh im sorry i thought he was plating for pakistan not his average..you say he is a great player..great playets win matches from adversity not wait for their groupie fans to make excuses..thank you for admitting he isnt a great player and cant win matches for us..hence you should agree to his removal from the side..

I am on record (check last few pages of this thread) that Malik should not be playing (WCT20) under Hafeez/Afridi as Hafeez/Afridi are losers.

I am clear if a captain mess with your batting then you must return the favor. Simple.
 
I think after his performance in the WC malik will again be playing only domestic , his rightful place. Pakistan should play the youngsters like haris sohail now , malik's time is over.
 
Malik wasn't present when God was distributing some int'l level cricketing skillz

what a waste of space and air he is :facepalm:

don't know what Sania was thinking marrying that loser.........i'm assuming he only watched him V Indian tundlers :facepalm:
 
Malik should be selected on fielding alone. He is outstanding.

The problem with our team isn't Malik. It's that we have a Malik, but then also a Hafeez, an Afridi, a Sohail Tanvir. Razzaq in the wings.

Too many bits and pieces cricketers, who are not special at anything.

We need to adopt the old school mentality of 4 high quality batsmen and 4 high quality bowlers and 1 keeper batsmen, 2 all-rounders at most. That's your playing 11.

Instead Pakistan have Hafeez, Malik, Afridi and Tanvir/Razzaq, which gives them 4 guys who are neither special with the bat or ball.

Pakistan's team is not about individuals screwing up, it's lack of team balance.
 
Malik wasn't present when God was distributing some int'l level cricketing skillz

what a waste of space and air he is :facepalm:

don't know what Sania was thinking marrying that loser.........i'm assuming he only watched him V Indian tundlers :facepalm:
You probably are unaware as to how 'love' works. :-)

I can assure you it is not really related to how one steals singles in a cricket field.
 
Pakistan with defensive mentality doesn't deserve to win the match at all. As usual, middle order batsmen become the scapegoat - entrusted with responsibility not only for stability but also, for miracle hitting in the last six overs. We can't survive on miracle (last six overs) all the times. One match against South Africa doesn't mean we can be lucky again.

utilizing the first 6 overs is main turning point for team. If you look at other teams result, then you will know utilizing the first 6 overs can continue with momentum to carry on or at least, enough for middle order batsmen to chase comfortably. Last 4 overs are always very hard, and especially in that kind pitch prepared against Pakistan, in second batting, the pitch was supposed to be much harder for batsmen. That means chasing wouldn't be picnic at all.

Even if Malik has clicked, but Pakistan never was in position despite of given reasonable target to chase. If you consume a lot of balls in the first 10 overs without scoring anything, then, the game is over. Normally, it's manageable for other teams but not for Pakistan, especially with the opener of Hafeez and Nazir, and experimenting in-form Kamran Akmal and Naser Jamshed in the middle order at the hand of spinners, is expected to be backfired especially the fact that both Kamran and Naser could have utilized as openers very well, but middle order? It's suicide.

Then, having best batsmen like Shoaib Malik and Umar Akmal at the lowest orders - entrusted with responsibilities of stability and hitting especially when it comes to chasing, the pitch tends to get a lot worse to bat, especially in Sri Lanka pitches. In the whole tournament, we have been experimenting best batsmen in the lower orders where they can't do anything even if they tried. Umar Akmal couldn't hit at the end even though he tried. The pitch was really hard to hit.
On the other hand, we have wasted first six overs in powerplay, in comparison to other teams, they always cash on the first six overs to carry the momentum. In Pakistan's case, when we have Kamran Akmal and Naser Jamshed as openers, rather they were experimented in middle order even though they were untested, and on the other hand, all for what? Just to accommodate Hafeez who was liability as opener and consumed a lot of balls, and then, left the game in the middle for others to meet the impossible task, and Imran Nazir who was struggling all along - continued to be persisted with.

All of these could have avoided, but that didn't happen. In the whole tournament, captaincy has been liability, and sooner or later, this was bound to happen unfortunately. Because of Hafeez and Nazir, the whole batting line order has been interrupted, and threw openers like Kamran and Naser Jamshed in the middle untested, and threw Malik and Umar at the deep end, and expecting them to miraculously win the match all the time. It can't happen all the times.

If Hafeez is not willing to bat aggressively, then give openers to Naser Jamshed, and if Nazir is struggling, why not utilize Kamran as opener then. If Hafeez can't stabilize and build an inning, then, why not use Malik and Umar Akmal from one down.

Hafeez is liability as batsman, and always has been, but his captaincy presents an equally dilemma for Pakistan now. BlackZero was right, no matter what, but captaincy does matter, and it plays bigger role and if you utilize the team properly as captain, then you will be rewarded.

If we were to pursue with the defensive mentality, then we never needed hafeez as captain at all. It would be been better if we continued to persist with Misbah as captain. Why have Misbah replace by another defensive captain? I know Hafeez isn't captaincy material, and it's his first WC T20, but why we experiment before the WC T20 and during the WC T20? Why? Why? Why?

It is too late now, but not late enough to realize what is needed to be done. Play either Hafeez or Afridi, but we can't play both of them as they heavily rely on their bowling expertise to survive on. Play specialist openers like Kamran and Naser Jamshed, and utilize Pakistani's best batsman like Umar Akmal at one down. It's time we should pursue with aggressive mentality. Enough with defensive mentality.

If i look at options, it's better if Pakistani appoints Shoaib Malik as captain. Why take risk for untested captain when you have experienced captain who still has more than years to offer. For the sake of Pakistan, stop appointing untested captain once and for all.
 
Pakistan with defensive mentality doesn't deserve to win the match at all. As usual, middle order batsmen become the scapegoat - entrusted with responsibility not only for stability but also, for miracle hitting in the last six overs. We can't survive on miracle (last six overs) all the times. One match against South Africa doesn't mean we can be lucky again.

utilizing the first 6 overs is main turning point for team. If you look at other teams result, then you will know utilizing the first 6 overs can continue with momentum to carry on or at least, enough for middle order batsmen to chase comfortably. Last 4 overs are always very hard, and especially in that kind pitch prepared against Pakistan, in second batting, the pitch was supposed to be much harder for batsmen. That means chasing wouldn't be picnic at all.

Even if Malik has clicked, but Pakistan never was in position despite of given reasonable target to chase. If you consume a lot of balls in the first 10 overs without scoring anything, then, the game is over. Normally, it's manageable for other teams but not for Pakistan, especially with the opener of Hafeez and Nazir, and experimenting in-form Kamran Akmal and Naser Jamshed in the middle order at the hand of spinners, is expected to be backfired especially the fact that both Kamran and Naser could have utilized as openers very well, but middle order? It's suicide.

Then, having best batsmen like Shoaib Malik and Umar Akmal at the lowest orders - entrusted with responsibilities of stability and hitting especially when it comes to chasing, the pitch tends to get a lot worse to bat, especially in Sri Lanka pitches. In the whole tournament, we have been experimenting best batsmen in the lower orders where they can't do anything even if they tried. Umar Akmal couldn't hit at the end even though he tried. The pitch was really hard to hit.
On the other hand, we have wasted first six overs in powerplay, in comparison to other teams, they always cash on the first six overs to carry the momentum. In Pakistan's case, when we have Kamran Akmal and Naser Jamshed as openers, rather they were experimented in middle order even though they were untested, and on the other hand, all for what? Just to accommodate Hafeez who was liability as opener and consumed a lot of balls, and then, left the game in the middle for others to meet the impossible task, and Imran Nazir who was struggling all along - continued to be persisted with.

All of these could have avoided, but that didn't happen. In the whole tournament, captaincy has been liability, and sooner or later, this was bound to happen unfortunately. Because of Hafeez and Nazir, the whole batting line order has been interrupted, and threw openers like Kamran and Naser Jamshed in the middle untested, and threw Malik and Umar at the deep end, and expecting them to miraculously win the match all the time. It can't happen all the times.

If Hafeez is not willing to bat aggressively, then give openers to Naser Jamshed, and if Nazir is struggling, why not utilize Kamran as opener then. If Hafeez can't stabilize and build an inning, then, why not use Malik and Umar Akmal from one down.

Hafeez is liability as batsman, and always has been, but his captaincy presents an equally dilemma for Pakistan now. BlackZero was right, no matter what, but captaincy does matter, and it plays bigger role and if you utilize the team properly as captain, then you will be rewarded.

If we were to pursue with the defensive mentality, then we never needed hafeez as captain at all. It would be been better if we continued to persist with Misbah as captain. Why have Misbah replace by another defensive captain? I know Hafeez isn't captaincy material, and it's his first WC T20, but why we experiment before the WC T20 and during the WC T20? Why? Why? Why?

It is too late now, but not late enough to realize what is needed to be done. Play either Hafeez or Afridi, but we can't play both of them as they heavily rely on their bowling expertise to survive on. Play specialist openers like Kamran and Naser Jamshed, and utilize Pakistani's best batsman like Umar Akmal at one down. It's time we should pursue with aggressive mentality. Enough with defensive mentality.

If i look at options, it's better if Pakistani appoints Shoaib Malik as captain. Why take risk for untested captain when you have experienced captain who still has more than years to offer. For the sake of Pakistan, stop appointing untested captain once and for all.

very balanced post...

pretty much summed up.
 
I am on record (check last few pages of this thread) that Malik should not be playing (WCT20) under Hafeez/Afridi as Hafeez/Afridi are losers.

I am clear if a captain mess with your batting then you must return the favor. Simple.
Says it all about your thinking, attitude and argument. :ibutt :bow:
 
Not a single performance of note by Malik. Hopefully, he will never be selected for Pakistan again.

Cheering him on in the Champions league though, Go Sialkot Stallions!!
 
I have predicted many times before that Malik will lead us in all 3 formats after misbah.

:malik will lead us in Champions trophy 2013.
 
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Why should he win match for you?

He has not played on same position is two matches consecutively in this T20WC.

Why do you expect him to clean the mess created by top order?

Excuse me?? Isnt he playing for pakistan? Why shouldnt any fan want a player who is allegedly playing for his country to win a match for us? If that isnt his job tell me what the hell is?? Playing for you? Ive got to say but you have no idea what crickets all about..you my friend are not a true pakistan fan..for me your a single player supporter..hence your opinion is a good laugh for us..otherwise you are simply a joke..
 
I have predicted many times before that Malik will lead us in all 3 formats after misbah.

:malik will lead us in Champions trophy 2013.

Excuse me but can you tell me why this useless player should lead the worlds fourth best test side in the world..and plz give me a reasonable answer free of immature smileys..
 
Excuse me but can you tell me why this useless player should lead the worlds fourth best test side in the world..and plz give me a reasonable answer free of immature smileys..

Because he is the only player in the team with leadership qualities. Pakistan needs a smart aggressive leader and Malik is a proven captain in the domestic circuit.
 
Excuse me?? Isnt he playing for pakistan? Why shouldnt any fan want a player who is allegedly playing for his country to win a match for us? If that isnt his job tell me what the hell is?? Playing for you? Ive got to say but you have no idea what crickets all about..you my friend are not a true pakistan fan..for me your a single player supporter..hence your opinion is a good laugh for us..otherwise you are simply a joke..


Infact, I am the only one who is real supporter of Pakistan and worried abt

Greater good
 
Because he is the only player in the team with leadership qualities. Pakistan needs a smart aggressive leader and Malik is a proven captain in the domestic circuit.

Because domestic and international cricket is one and the same. :facepalm:

Misbah should be leading us in ODI's till 2013 and Malik should retire from internationals by then.
 
Because he is the only player in the team with leadership qualities. Pakistan needs a smart aggressive leader and Malik is a proven captain in the domestic circuit.

really? and what proof do you have that he can lead our test side?

Infact, I am the only one who is real supporter of Pakistan and worried abt

Greater good

hahaha..sorry nearly fell off my chair..I believe you are delusional, your support (blind support) of malik proves otherwise. He does not have the personal record or the man management skills to handle the international arena. Thats just a proven fact.
 
Wasn't someone whining about Hafeez's dot balls in T20 WC?
PCB...should have picked the right captain ...first..

Hafeez faced 40 balls...and 20 dots

So Mr. Right Captain today played 22 balls and 12 dot balls.... 54.55%

Must have been playing against Marshall, McGrath, Imran today....!
 
But ... I think SS being the world's BEST EVER domestic side, I am sure/hope they can defend 130! I hope they do. Go SS!!!
 
Wasn't someone whining about Hafeez's dot balls in T20 WC?


So Mr. Right Captain today played 22 balls and 12 dot balls.... 54.55%

Must have been playing against Marshall, McGrath, Imran today....!

I'm sure a totally rational, reasonable, and balanced excuse will be coming right up! :snack:
 
Wasn't someone whining about Hafeez's dot balls in T20 WC?


So Mr. Right Captain today played 22 balls and 12 dot balls.... 54.55%

Must have been playing against Marshall, McGrath, Imran today....!
Malik's just protesting against Shakeel Ansar for making just 1 run off 7 balls :D
 
The best ever batsman/captain will surely prove his credentials at the biggest stage of all.,...Faisal Bank T20.
 
Shoaib Malik 0 overs bowled while captaining Sialkot Stallions against Auckland today. Too afraid to bowl apparently.
 
I blame Hafeez and Misbah for knocking his confidence in last 12/18 months.

Yeah, that must be it. We should hand over the Pak captaincy to him so he can rebuild his confidence over the next 3 years, until when BZ can come up with a more novel excuse.

Way to lead from the front today! They were having trouble playing spin, and the captain decides to not even bowl a single over. :facepalm:
 
Greatest captain in history chickens out of bowling yet again. BZ and Riff bohat afsos hua yaaro.
 
Yeah, that must be it. We should hand over the Pak captaincy to him so he can rebuild his confidence over the next 3 years, until when BZ can come up with a more novel excuse.

Way to lead from the front today! They were having trouble playing spin, and the captain decides to not even bowl a single over. :facepalm:

PCB is calling a press conference as we speak. Malik the captain here we come.
 
Malik had a tough task here...
Had he palyed a good innings here we would said he purposely failed playing for Pak so Hafeez can be kicked out.
If he failed we would then say he is finished and only scores against domestic bowlers.
I am afraid later is what seems to be the case here...

Time for BZ and Riff to latch on another player How about Misbah? he is almost finished too
 
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Malik had a tough task here...
Had he palyed and good innings here we would said he purposely failed playing for Pak so Hafeez can be kicked out.
If he failed we would then say he is finished and only scores against domestic bowlers.
That is what seems to be the case here...

No, pretty sure he just sucks and is too afraid to bowl.
 
Malik had a tough task here...
Had he palyed and good innings here we would said he purposely failed playing for Pak so Hafeez can be kicked out.
If he failed we would then say he is finished and only scores against domestic bowlers.
That is what seems to be the case here.
So Malik plays for what people think of him instead of for Pakistan?
 
As usual the mureeds have dissapeared until the faysal bank..

Cuptaan..lol..i rest my case..
 
Shoaib Malik 0 overs bowled while captaining Sialkot Stallions against Auckland today. Too afraid to bowl apparently.

too afraid to bat up the order too. Hiding behind a youngster who was playing in alien conditions against the new ball, how typical of him !

would've loved to see Malik dancing on those rising deliveries but it wasnt to be, what a pity !
 
too afraid to bat up the order too. Hiding behind a youngster who was playing in alien conditions against the new ball, how typical of him !

would've loved to see Malik dancing on those rising deliveries but it wasnt to be, what a pity !

Not much pace from Auckland but just imagine if it was Morkel and Styen yes we would see breakdancing for sure.

So Malik was justified in being sent at 5 in WCT20 as he himself came on the same position for a clube team. Also not bowling him much was correct too as he chose not to bowl either when he is captain.
 
Not much pace from Auckland but just imagine if it was Morkel and Styen yes we would see breakdancing for sure.

So Malik was justified in being sent at 5 in WCT20 as he himself came on the same position for a clube team. Also not bowling him much was correct too as he chose not to bowl either when he is captain.

even these Auckland bowlers would've had him dancing on their tunes. I know his class trust me, he even made Chigumbura an unplayable bowler :cheema
 
Not much pace from Auckland but just imagine if it was Morkel and Styen yes we would see breakdancing for sure.

So Malik was justified in being sent at 5 in WCT20 as he himself came on the same position for a clube team. Also not bowling him much was correct too as he chose not to bowl either when he is captain.

Hold on, but the great malik lover in this thread said something like "what can malik do if he is sent lower down the order, and the batsmen before him keep failing."

Who to believe?
 
Hold on, but the great malik lover in this thread said something like "what can malik do if he is sent lower down the order, and the batsmen before him keep failing."

Who to believe?

That great lover's heart is broken. Malik totally toyed around with BZ's emotions, hope this ends any discussion about Malik captaining Pakistan in any format of the game.

If Malik fails in the CL, he should resign from Sialkot Stallions's captaincy as well. :yk
 
Not much pace from Auckland but just imagine if it was Morkel and Styen yes we would see breakdancing for sure.

So Malik was justified in being sent at 5 in WCT20 as he himself came on the same position for a clube team. Also not bowling him much was correct too as he chose not to bowl either when he is captain.

Even I did not watch the match but I know it's not true.
Malik came at #4.
 
Look haters he'll be captain because he is just khubsoorat and your all just hatets and erm let me find some smileys..hahaha..erm yeah..
 
Seriously though, I hope SS do well. Even though I dont care about this format, or this tourney, but SS is a pakistani team. So hoping they somehow pull it together
 
I was following the match on cricinfo and was shocked when Malik decided to bat first.


and Malik is on record that whenever there is a doubt, bowl first...

anyway, they are out :6:

Oh so you admit that Shoaib "Superman" Malik can be wrong as well..


That is a start..
 
:))) I knew I could count on BZ. He never disappoints. The bag of excuses is always full.

:14:

But did you notice BZ did not make any comment on Malik's batting and
totally ignored my post about his dot balls! :)
 
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