Shoaib Malik Support & Performance Watch

Should Malik be in the plans for the 2019 WC?


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I have to say, "decent" batting from Sania here. He can be in and out of the T-20 team but I'd rather have Hammad Azam in there.


As for ODI'S, please go away Malik.
 
^He was busy with the wedding. So he is allowed some distracted innings.

Let's see you batting against Steyn with mehndi on your hands
 
All the player's name you mentioned have following S/R since 1/1/2011;
Kohli 129.67
Sangakkara 128.92
Jamshed 126.31
Jayawardene 125.86
Hussey 115.49
Bailey 114.75
Samuels 113.30
Malik 92.93

All of the above players have full capability of scoring at much higher S/R than Malik. If we needed a "stablizer" then why did we scream to kick Misbah(98.05) out when he had better S/R than Malik?

Speaking of Malik coming too low.... his S/R is bad even when he comes low in the batting order and NEEDS to score at S/R 120+ but he can't. Meaning he does not belong in T20s.

Also... here is his S/R when he batted in #1-5 positions;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

See the difference?

And where do they bat?

Malik has come as low as 8 in the past few years when he's ideally a number 4, between Jamshed and Akmal, especially in the T20Is.

Misbah was kicked out of the team because of the World Cup Semi Final. That and because in T20 you need to rotate the strike and Misbah can't do that as well as he could in the past while Malik is an expert at rotating strike and getting the singles. All this rubbish about tuk tuk... we need one batsman who can actually hold up an end because as good as it would be to watch 11 Imran Nazir's score 80 in 8 overs all out, I would prefer to see us win by playing calculated risks like Misbah does.

Our win in the '09 Twenty20 World Cup was not down to Afridi but down to Younis Khan. The cheetah finished with an average of 57.33 overall.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wt202...g_by_team.html?id=4162;team=7;type=tournament

Younis Khan is a consolidator. Saying otherwise would just be stupid. My point is, Shoaib Malik plays a very important role in the team where he can rotate the strike, something that Younis was an expert at too. Malik has played and captained the most successful Pakistani domestic team over the last ten years in Sialkot so he knows a thing or two about what it takes to win a game. It's a shame we give people like Afridi and Nazir a higher status when they are essentially sloggers. Malik is a leader and I believe he's the pseudo-Captain right now too, helping out Hafeez a hell of a lot with field placings and with Raza Hasan. It's a testament that after taking Watson's wicket, Raza Hasan went straight to his domestic captain instead of his international captain
 
All the player's name you mentioned have following S/R since 1/1/2011;
Kohli 129.67
Sangakkara 128.92
Jamshed 126.31
Jayawardene 125.86
Hussey 115.49
Bailey 114.75
Samuels 113.30
Malik 92.93

All of the above players have full capability of scoring at much higher S/R than Malik. If we needed a "stablizer" then why did we scream to kick Misbah(98.05) out when he had better S/R than Malik?

Speaking of Malik coming too low.... his S/R is bad even when he comes low in the batting order and NEEDS to score at S/R 120+ but he can't. Meaning he does not belong in T20s.

Also... here is his S/R when he batted in #1-5 positions;

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

See the difference?


If you choke, you will be kicked out even if you have 100+ avg and 200+ SR :misbah

you need to win matches :malik
 
it's your data or SS's?

in any case..it's almost 6/7 years old stats.

so proves nothing.

lol...then you should disregard all his stats from 7 years ago as they also "prove nothing" then..the criteria keeps chanign but the reality remains the same. He will end his career as a footnote with one fan on PP..
 
Right decision to have Malik in at 8, I would've actually sent Gul in before him today, not because he's a bad batsman or anything - his role is to be the stabilizer, in the event of early wickets falling, he can take it from the 6th to 14th over, after then, when the assault is on, the pinch hitters should come ahead of him.

well interesting thing is that when malik came ... he took the single and given Umer Akmal the strike...who was supposed to attack and get some boundaries...

but UA just got one leg bye, and then Malik got a double and single...

and FYI, Malik got the second highest SR for pakistan without hitting any boundary ...and coming at #8

this tells a lot about your assumptions about our team.
 
lol...then you should disregard all his stats from 7 years ago as they also "prove nothing" then..the criteria keeps changing but the reality remains the same. He will end his career as a footnote with one fan on PP..

Always.... !!!!

Just was whining about Nazir's 72 vs BD in Nazir thread while he has claimed Malik as BEST ODI captain just because of his 10-0 vs Zim/BD.
 
well interesting thing is that when malik came ... he took the single and given Umer Akmal the strike...who was supposed to attack and get some boundaries...

but UA just got one leg bye, and then Malik got a double and single...
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Why could Malik hit boundaries himself..... hathoon main mehndi lagi hui thi???

and FYI, Malik got the second highest SR for pakistan without hitting any boundary ...and coming at #8............ and when the ground's name started with letter A through L, and Umpire were only from England and Australia.......and overs bowled were from 18-20.

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You forgot the last part.
:)))
 
I do not whine, it does not matter where he plays...

I whine that malik is not captaining while Pakistan team is led by sub standard captains :yk :afridi :misbah :hafeez

yes all these substandard captains have taken us to world cup wins and semi finals as well as test victories against the best team in the world..all malik was good for was tipping his topi to the opposition.."thulay bay jaa hoon puttur"

Malik lol..the king of the hasbeens, and emperor of the never was's..everytime you concoct a statistic to fit your agenda you show firstly how stupid you are and secondly how utterly bankrupt your conclusions are..laughable is a nice word to use for your fallacies and bakwaas..

anyone who supports Malik the way you do is not just mentally deficient but unfit to call themselves a pakistan fan..as for your support of zardari well that just simply defines you!!
 
yes all these substandard captains have taken us to world cup wins and semi finals as well as test victories against the best team in the world..all malik was good for was tipping his topi to the opposition.."thulay bay jaa hoon puttur"

Malik lol..the king of the hasbeens, and emperor of the never was's..everytime you concoct a statistic to fit your agenda you show firstly how stupid you are and secondly how utterly bankrupt your conclusions are..laughable is a nice word to use for your fallacies and bakwaas..

anyone who supports Malik the way you do is not just mentally deficient but unfit to call themselves a pakistan fan..as for your support of zardari well that just simply defines you!!

I think i can be some help

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So you agree he can't! :P

no comment on post #7474? ;-)

no i do not agree...

but shouldn't players who were sent to hit out ...hit the boundaries...while they took time to settle?


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Had Malik been sent in 15th over, we could have scored 165+...

but do I mind if he was sent in 20th, no...as thats not my main objection.
 
no i do not agree...

but shouldn't players who were sent to hit out ...hit the boundaries...while they took time to settle?
Why can't Malik score runs and hit boundaries.... regardless of the # of overs?


Had Malik been sent in 15th over, we could have scored 165+...
He came into bat in 9th over vs India...... and scored unforgettable double 100.... right?

but do I mind if he was sent in 20th, no...as thats not my main objection.

If he is such a great batsman (as you claim him to be) then why he can't score 10-15 runs in 20th over?
 
Why can't Malik score runs and hit boundaries.... regardless of the # of overs?



He came into bat in 9th over vs India...... and scored unforgettable double 100.... right?



If he is such a great batsman (as you claim him to be) then why he can't score 10-15 runs in 20th over?

He is the highest scorer for Pakistan...

though he came at #6...

#1 to #5, all failed...

and due to Malik and UA, Pakistan is in semi final...
imagine..5/59...


vs Aus, #8 batsman is supposed to take single and give strike to #5 batsman.

and thats what Malik did.
 
You don't need to score boundaries to score runs. Running between the wickets is so crucial in a T20.
 
I do not whine, it does not matter where he plays...

I whine that malik is not captaining while Pakistan team is led by sub standard captains :yk :afridi :misbah :hafeez
Out of interest Black Zero, which of the captains after Inzi stepped down for Pakistan bar Malik do you rate the highest?

And which international captain in that same period (bar Malik) do you rate the highest?
 
Sania needs to throw this loser out of the house

just as PCB needs to throw this "Bradman's second coming" out of the team
 
Malik was looking solid; this time he's being criticized unfairly- that ball was unplayable.
 
Oh com'n give me a break. That was a standard left arm orthodox delivery.

Standard or not, it was unplayable. The classic SLA ball that loops and lands on middle and thereabouts and takes off. Draws the batsman in to leave him hanging. It's part of cricket folklore, that ball.

Ask Akram, he was watching it the same as me, and while my opinion is that of just another dude on t'internets, his is not.

And if you- and other PPers are criticizing him in this game- please advise on how he should have played it, or how you would have played it. This should be fascinating.
 
Lol. Ok I will play along

We lost the match because of Malik. Got out to an awful ball :69:

And what was up with his crap fielding and bowling today :po:

So :pissed: angry :pissed: right now :pissed:!!!!!
 
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Lol. Ok I will play along

We lost the match because of Malik. Got out to an awful ball :69:

And what was up with his crap fielding and bowling today :po:

So :pissed: angry :pissed: right now :pissed:!!!!!

How many innings has it been since your champ last scored a 40 in international cricket?
 
That was peach of a ball that got malik out...

He was looking okai not fair to criticise...

Hafeez and Kamran gifted their wickets
 
This is international cricket and expect to face quality bowling.

Do not you think that team should have planned for the fact that ball would spin a lot after over#8?

Shouldn't Gul and Tanveer completed their quota during first 8 overs?


in my opinion, match lost due to bad planning.
 
We were chasing 140 FFS not 170. All that was needed from three idiots(Kami,Malik,Afridi) was solid 30 runs between them. I maintain that was a delivery that you would expect from a good left arm spinner. So called top player of spin should be able to handle it.
 
We were chasing 140 FFS not 170. All that was needed from three idiots(Kami,Malik,Afridi) was solid 30 runs between them. I maintain that was a delivery that you would expect from a good left arm spinner. So called top player of spin should be able to handle it.

SL were at 63/1 and we 64\4

we have holes in our top batting order.
 
clt20 for malik hopefully he can win, will strengthen his case for captaincy.
 
I think the pcb need to send a notice to lanka demanding they explain why they didnt play any dibbly dobblets in their attack?? didnt they know shehzada gulfaam was in our team??
 
I think the pcb need to send a notice to lanka demanding they explain why they didnt play any dibbly dobblets in their attack?? didnt they know shehzada gulfaam was in our team??

PCB...should have picked the right captain ...first..

Hafeez faced 40 balls...and 20 dots
 
We were 64/4 when Malik and Kami failed. Jamshed got a shocker so we were 64/4 because the so called pressure players failed.

Saeed Saheb, "Bhains kay aagay been bajaa kay kuch nahin milnay wala", BZ, RIFF, Akmal Dynasty and may be 5 other supporters of Malik will never give up on this most useless player.
 
PCB...should have picked the right captain ...first..

Hafeez faced 40 balls...and 20 dots

so you admit that malik only performs if he's captain so are you saying he's deliberatly underperforming? Petsonally i think hes useless either way..this was his chance to win us the match..why didnt he??
 
so you admit that malik only performs if he's captain so are you saying he's deliberatly underperforming? Petsonally i think hes useless either way..this was his chance to win us the match..why didnt he??

But but he would have won us Mohali semi final if he was playing. The way he edged Herath and then middled that delivery was a treat to watch. Bloke is the best player of spin around.
 
My question to the handful of remaining malik mureeds..why didnt he win us this semi..he was playing in his supposed favoured conditions, in the country where he scored his fabled mighty innings we never hear the end of, against a non murali lanka..why didnt he win us the match..
 
BZ is proved to be a Malik hater, he bumped this at the worst possible time for a reply with no substance
 
S malik is the most crapiest batsaman that have played for pakistan so long. i mean this guy is playing cricket from last 8-9 years still i wonder he cant bat ....seriously he is not even close to being played as pure batsman ...he cant hit , he rotates the strike but one good ball and he cant negotiate it ...how you guys sustain to his batting and does not get irritated despite regular failures is a question for indian cricket fan like me..can anybody answer ?????
 
Time to clear out the players that haven't contributed in a while. Afridi has to go as does Razzaq and I hate to say it but Shoaib Malik needs to go too. We need to play specific batsmen from 1-6, keeper at 7 and complete bowlers from 8-11. Hafeez should stay in the team to play as an all rounder in the ODIs and T20Is. 3-4-5 are the most important positions and for the foreseeable future, Umar Akmal, Younis Khan and Misbah need to bat there in the tests. Opening with Azhar Ali and Nasir Jamshed and Asad Shafiq at 6. Keeper should be Sarfraz Ahmed or Mohammad Salman. No Afridi, Imran Nazir, Razzaq or Malik anywhere near the team please.
 
I was supporting Malik before this tour and for him to be captain...

I was expecting him to play one match winning knock being the experienced middle order bat... But he failed to deliver and justify his selection further... His bowling looked average as well from what we saw...

I say Hafeez can remain as captain as long as he bats at 7 as all rounder... his bowling edges it over malik and batting too in this form, having a specialist opener at the top with Jamshed is a must
 
so you admit that malik only performs if he's captain so are you saying he's deliberatly underperforming? Petsonally i think hes useless either way..this was his chance to win us the match..why didnt he??

Why should he win match for you?

He has not played on same position is two matches consecutively in this T20WC.

Why do you expect him to clean the mess created by top order?
 
But but he would have won us Mohali semi final if he was playing. The way he edged Herath and then middled that delivery was a treat to watch. Bloke is the best player of spin around.


reminder:
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Mathews to Shoaib Malik, 1 run, gets off the mark with a steer to deep point
Pakistan 58/3 Shoaib Malik 1* (2b)
10.1
Herath to Shoaib Malik, 1 run, comes well forward and clips it wide of mid-on
10.3
Herath to Shoaib Malik, 2 runs, makes room and lofts inside out down to wide long-off, well stopped by Kula
10.4
Herath to Shoaib Malik, no run, risks playing it very late and he steers it to the off side
10.5
Herath to Shoaib Malik, 2 runs, no slip in place and he nicely steers it wide of short third man
10.6
Herath to Shoaib Malik, OUT, Malik was well and truly squared up! Full credit to Herath here, it turned from off and middle and completely beat Malik on the drive, pegged back the off stump and the Sri Lankans are thrilled
Shoaib Malik b Herath 6 (4m 7b 0x4 0x6) SR: 85.71
Pakistan 64/4 Shoaib Malik 6 (7b)
 
I was supporting Malik before this tour and for him to be captain...

I was expecting him to play one match winning knock being the experienced middle order bat... But he failed to deliver and justify his selection further... His bowling looked average as well from what we saw...

I say Hafeez can remain as captain as long as he bats at 7 as all rounder... his bowling edges it over malik and batting too in this form, having a specialist opener at the top with Jamshed is a must

Real tournament just starting now.

CHampions League

Where we wont see third rate players representing :afridi :hafeez :gul :tanveer
 
bz prediction for cl?

Some teams are in SA for few weeks.

so for SS, four challenges

- Adjustment to SA pitches
- Loss of Rehman
- PCB's interference in to SS's matters :zaheerAbbas
- batting position of Imran Nazir.

but i am confident that Malik will address these challenges and stamp SS's authority in CL too.

SS main strength is their teamwork...

From first match we will know how SS playing..
 
afridi playing for hants against sialkot on 11th

gul also playing for uva

#GetYourFactsRight

UVA is useless without Malik

Afridi played for Dolphin too:)
Gul played for PP :)

TT lost 4 few key players

In reality, SS win (or lose) base on their own...they never been concerned about the opposition...

so if SS as a team clicks then nothing to worry about.

They were unbeaten for over 5 years and now again they are undefeated for some time...it's not that they are the most talented...
it's because they have a great team work...

and they excel under malik's captaincy.

p.s: ohh...I do not care, if third rate players represent other teams.
 
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Malik was the 4th man out.

Corrected, thanks.

but my point was that, SL were 63/1 after 10-2 over while Pak were 60/3 ..

Pakistan never adjusted their chase according to the situation.

and by then hafeez already wasted almost three overs in dots..
 
Corrected, thanks.

but my point was that, SL were 63/1 after 10-2 over while Pak were 60/3 ..

Pakistan never adjusted their chase according to the situation.

and by then hafeez already wasted almost three overs in dots..

Excuses excuses. Hafeez more then made up for it in the second half of the inning. Malik did not get out attacking. If Malik had stayed in we would have won the game as balls wasted by Tanvir would have been utilised.
 
Excuses excuses. Hafeez more then made up for it in the second half of the inning. Malik did not get out attacking. If Malik had stayed in we would have won the game as balls wasted by Tanvir would have been utilised.
Correct.

I don't people targeting guys that are performing. Yes Hafeez should have stayed in till the end. But he scored 40 over SR 100. At got us to the point where the target seemed pretty manageable, run rate of 8 with two set batsmen at the crease. Cricket isn't a game where you expect one guy to win it single-handedly for you like some fans on here expect. It's a team game. Some others apart from just Hafeez and Umar akmal really should have stood up.

I'm not really a fan of packing a team with mecurial matchwinners who occasionally perform. Who cares if we win one magical match in 50. We won't to develop a consistent side, with consistent players. It creates a more formidable aura too, and strengthens the side. People say why can't we have the batting matchwinners of India. People also forget they also average 30s a lot of them in T20s. Thus the chances of them performing are much higher.

Jamshed and Umar are the only ones who really are consistent in their batting in T20. They deserve their places on batting alone.

Hafeez deserves his place as a bowler in T20. He's not a great bat, but even then he seems to be averaging 20 or so which is around the average is our specialist batsmen. So he should probably take the all rounder slot. Should also probably move down the order as most all rounders do to, even if it's just down to three. Get Shehzad and Jamshed opening who IMO is the opening partnership in Pakistani domestic T20 anyway.

But guys like Malik are just passengers in the side. They aren't performing, and it's not worth carrying them. I supported Malik's recall before as I felt he earnt it via domestic performances, but he's been terrible for a long time, we can't wait for him to get back his form. And by his domestic performances, sadly to say I was expecting especially in T20 that he'd come back much improved and in good form. How wrong was I though.

Same kind of goes for Afridi at the moment, but he isn't as bad as Malik, and in general over his T20 career he's been excellent. But don't see the point waiting for him to get back into form when Raza's already doing the job and was our best bowler of the tournament (even ahead of ajmal IMO).

Same goes to Nazir too, whom I hope we don't persist with after this tournament. Looked even worse than he did before.
 
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People say why can't we have the batting matchwinners of India. People also forget they also average 30s a lot of them in T20s. Thus the chances of them performing are much higher.

YES. People talk about batsmen with the "matchwinning temperament", or who can "perform under pressure", or who can play that special innings. And sure, that's always a plus and important.

But cricket is more of a statistical game than we perceive maybe. If you have 6-7 players who on their average day will score more runs , at a better clip, against quality bowling - then you will win more matches than you lose. We can blame Pakistan team temperament on the big day, but if you look at the top 7, we have mostly allrounders with mediocre figures, and 2-3 specialist batsmen. That too, the likes of Nazir and Jamshed who are talented but not established veterans like Gayle , Mahela and Sanga. If anything, I think we've punched above our weight getting to the knockout stages so often in these world cups.
 
to chase successfully BSR of 117 was required..

considering the state of wicket, power play, Pakistan should have scored 55% of runs during first 10 overs. which is around 77... but Pakistan made only 58 ...so they were short (77-58= 19)

and Pakistan lost by 16 runs...

Do not blame blindly if you do not understand the complexities of game.

Hafeez botched the game!
 
to chase successfully BSR of 117 was required..

considering the state of wicket, power play, Pakistan should have scored 55% of runs during first 10 overs. which is around 77... but Pakistan made only 58 ...so they were short (77-58= 19)

and Pakistan lost by 16 runs...

Do not blame blindly if you do not understand the complexities of game.

Hafeez botched the game!

:)))

Malik highest scorer in India loss is a hero but Hafeez highest scorer in SL game botches the game.
 
to chase successfully BSR of 117 was required..

considering the state of wicket, power play, Pakistan should have scored 55% of runs during first 10 overs. which is around 77... but Pakistan made only 58 ...so they were short (77-58= 19)

and Pakistan lost by 16 runs...

Do not blame blindly if you do not understand the complexities of game.

Hafeez botched the game!
Hafeez didn't play incredibly. Should have finished the game. Still in the last game he scored 40. Not saying he doesn't accept blame. But to blame him for the outcome of the game is ridiculous.

Is Malik really superman that he's blameless every innings. If you want Malik to be praised when he does well, then you have to accept when he does bad.

Fact of the matter, Malik didn't score that day. He got 6. Which did us no good. He didn't really get a big score all tournament, highest 28.

You talk about the 10 overs powerplay, but that wasn't the case with Sri Lanka. They increased run rate as match went on.

Malik's good for the Stallions in domestic, but he isn't scoring 6 or 12 every innings. He's scoring 50s pretty much every time under pressure at fantastic strike rates. His international performance currently since his comeback is nowhere near that. His average is incredible too, it's near 40 in TwentyTwenty (so I assume his domestic must be even higher). And he did that pretty much from any position, even if the guys at the top played slowly.
 
Even after such a pathetic tournament some people still yearn for him to be in the side, better yet be the captain then I can only question the mental health of such individuals.


Malik should be the first person to get the kick from this side. He had zero contribution with the ball and bat throughout the tournament.. We don't need professional fielders in the side.
 
:)))

Malik highest scorer in India loss is a hero but Hafeez highest scorer in SL game botches the game.

Hafeez didn't play incredibly. Should have finished the game. Still in the last game he scored 40. Not saying he doesn't accept blame. But to blame him for the outcome of the game is ridiculous.

Is Malik really superman that he's blameless every innings. If you want Malik to be praised when he does well, then you have to accept when he does bad.

Fact of the matter, Malik didn't score that day. He got 6. Which did us no good. He didn't really get a big score all tournament, highest 28.

You talk about the 10 overs powerplay, but that wasn't the case with Sri Lanka. They increased run rate as match went on.

Malik's good for the Stallions in domestic, but he isn't scoring 6 or 12 every innings. He's scoring 50s pretty much every time under pressure at fantastic strike rates. His international performance currently since his comeback is nowhere near that. His average is incredible too, it's near 40 in TwentyTwenty (so I assume his domestic must be even higher). And he did that pretty much from any position, even if the guys at the top played slowly.


Match is lost due to bad planning.

Pakistan was batting second. (Check the record for this wicket)

Only chance Pakistan had to score when ball was "not-old" and hafeez played 2 and half over in first 10 overs in dot balls.

He got no clue about it...

Why blaming malik/Afridi ...no one knows his role

and we have heard about 1/2 players as a floater..but hafeez has used #4 to #8 as a floater

Hafeez is an incapable leader.
Malik has defeated him (aka FW) several times even in domestic.
 
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