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My dad was born and brought up in Dacca. His brother-in-law was tortured by the Pakistanis in 1971.Sorry but you have no idea about Indian political system just like leftist western media.
This is a pandemic, a cricis of massive proportions but western media/Indian liberals are using this cricis as a tool to target Modi.
A couple of points have been proved by Vaughan's tweet above.
1) Australian and England players prioritize playing IPL over playing against (ABD+ Steyn) less South African team.
2) South African players prioritize playing IPL over playing against Pakistan team in T20 format.
So IPL bubble is vulnerable after all and i wouldn't put it past them that some are corona positive but keeping it quiet.
The Australian and England players didn't go to SouthAfrica because their respective boards cancelled the tour due to rising COVID cases not because of players choice or that they weren't bothered . They cancelled it to preserve the mental and physical health of the cricketers. And in hindsight seemed to be right considering how Zampa and Liam Livingstone sight mental health and exhaustion in a bubble as the reason they backed out of the IPL.
I remember when posters on this ( mainly the Indians) would mention how it must be difficult to play in Pakistan due to the oppressive security conditions, how its difficult going from ground to ground under armed guard and being confined to a hotel.
These same posters are now saying its acceptable to play cricket with players travelling to stadiums like this.
The BCCI/IPL/Players need to spare us the nonsense about doing this for humanity. I'd be fine with them saying they are doing it for the cash....but to say you are playing cricket for humanity while people are burning bodies in droves is callous. I'm surprised the Indian posters are falling for it.View attachment 108847
Yes but the same boards should also take care of the safety and physical health of the players and not risk by allowing them to play in IPL amidst the situation going around in COVID. That is exactly what Vaughan is referring to.
They should have, but I think it's more to do with CA and ECB maintaining relations with BCCI rather than players choice....which is what Vaughn is pointing out...
I remember when posters on this ( mainly the Indians) would mention how it must be difficult to play in Pakistan due to the oppressive security conditions, how its difficult going from ground to ground under armed guard and being confined to a hotel.
These same posters are now saying its acceptable to play cricket with players travelling to stadiums like this.
The BCCI/IPL/Players need to spare us the nonsense about doing this for humanity. I'd be fine with them saying they are doing it for the cash....but to say you are playing cricket for humanity while people are burning bodies in droves is callous. I'm surprised the Indian posters are falling for it.View attachment 108847
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the IPL should carry on .. The joy it will be bringing billions in these awful times every evening is important .. but I do find it tough to think back how England & Aussie pulled out of games in SA,yet both countries players are allowed to play in India !!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2021?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2021</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1386982089468297221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Are you joking or are you just not abreast of international sport?
Did Euro 2020 get played amidst Covid last summer?
Did the 2020 Olympic Games take place in Tokyo?
Are the South American FIFA World Cup qualifiers currently running 6 rounds behind due to the postponement of 6 rounds?
I won’t continue any further because I don’t want to rub it in too hard!
A couple of points have been proved by Vaughan's tweet above.
1) Australian and England players prioritize playing IPL over playing against (ABD+ Steyn) less South African team.
2) South African players prioritize playing IPL over playing against Pakistan team in T20 format.
Exactly the point.
Imagine if the Tokyo olympics DID take place AT THAT TIME in the name of 'making people happy'. or if 'EURO 2020' took place when France, Germany and other European countries were being ravaged by the virus. There would be outrage. IPL's only reason to stay on is business and money.
I remember when posters on this ( mainly the Indians) would mention how it must be difficult to play in Pakistan due to the oppressive security conditions, how its difficult going from ground to ground under armed guard and being confined to a hotel.
These same posters are now saying its acceptable to play cricket with players travelling to stadiums like this.
The BCCI/IPL/Players need to spare us the nonsense about doing this for humanity. I'd be fine with them saying they are doing it for the cash....but to say you are playing cricket for humanity while people are burning bodies in droves is callous. I'm surprised the Indian posters are falling for it.View attachment 108847
A couple of points have been proved by Vaughan's tweet above.
1) Australian and England players prioritize playing IPL over playing against (ABD+ Steyn) less South African team.
2) South African players prioritize playing IPL over playing against Pakistan team in T20 format.
You could line up the WI of the 80s and they still wouldn't play against them, above obtaining somefrom IPL.
This has more to do with maintaining thoserelations
with BCCI
Lol, so now those watching IPL, don't care about human lives? It's plain jealously and utter nonsense from you.
It's a showbiz, and there is a choice for both players and fans to play/watch IPL. Yet, many poor people don't have a choice and have to continue their livelihood even in this pandemic. That should be the concern.
Watching or not watching IPL will not help neither worsen anything.
Or they prioritise their safety. The bubble had failed whilst England were in South Africa, the IPL bubble hasn't been breached.
Added to that there's people like Woakes. Woakes was one of the players that flew home from South Africa when the bubble failed. He's currently at the IPL and has been warming the bench for the last couple of games. He'll make no profit from participating in/staying at the IPL, if anything it will cost him money to be there and he's away from his family/first child that was born towards the end of last year.
There is only one point and that is money. Don't be so delusional.
The NY Times article in particular gives specific examples from multiple states of:
1. Pressure for deaths to be recorded only as due to “sickness / beemari”
2. Multiple locations where actual Covid deaths are at least 5-10 times higher than official stats.
What kind of validation do you seek? Are you going to deny that the Nazis had extermination camps because they didn’t publish a scorecard?
The NY Times article makes blatantly obvious obvious that the true death count is currently 5-10 times the official level. So 20,000 is almost certainly an underestimate.
Warming the bench or not players get paid, do you seriously think all international players sitting on the bench in the ipl are their out of their own expense![]()
woakes probably gets paid more than he does in the whole year at the ipl, that’s why he’s happy to stay.
So some of the very biggest business in the US are trying to put together a task force to help india. At the same time ventilators and other aide is arriving from the UK and Europe. People are dying on the street as their are not enough beds in hospitals but somehow during all this the IPL continues?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the IPL should carry on .. The joy it will be bringing billions in these awful times every evening is important .. but I do find it tough to think back how England & Aussie pulled out of games in SA,yet both countries players are allowed to play in India !!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2021?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2021</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1386982089468297221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
IPL is continuing due to national pride above all else. Many fans mocked the PSL cancellation, and for the IPL to follow suit would be considered an embarrassment to those who were keeping score. This whole ethical angle of celebrity cricketers getting 5 star protection while ordinary Indians are struggling to find oxygen is going right over their heads.
IPL is continuing due to national pride above all else. Many fans mocked the PSL cancellation, and for the IPL to follow suit would be considered an embarrassment to those who were keeping score. This whole ethical angle of celebrity cricketers getting 5 star protection while ordinary Indians are struggling to find oxygen is going right over their heads.
keep repeating the same thing. Things that make no sense.
Unless there is a bio bubble breach, IPL will continue.
Ofcourse they can be of the opinion that IPL should not be played. Well thats their opinion, Indians are free to ignore it.
It's incredible.
You can lay it out like you just did and yet it still doesn't sink in or they chose to ignore the elephant in the room.
So for the sake of good order let me just repeat what you said:-
"This whole ethical angle of celebrity cricketers getting 5 star protection while ordinary Indians are struggling to find oxygen is going right over their heads"..
I would like our nationalist members here to comment on this..
They're your own words, not mine. I haven't claimed that anywhere.
Woakes currently loses thousands of pounds by participating in/staying at the IPL:
IPL salary: £145,000 (1.5 crore).
Deduction from his ECB central contract for staying for the full IPL: £125,000
Loss of match fees from the Eng v NZ test series (would have been guaranteed to play with Stokes/Archer injured): £30,000
Additional quarantine fees with India now on the red list: £1,750
Loss from participating in the IPL: £11,750 as well as the time away from home/family (where he currently has a newborn child) and the additional 10 days hotel quarantine now required.
Where’s your source for this, Geoff boycott suggested players should get docked but they still get paid their full contract, in fact ecb actively encourage players to go play ipl so I highly doubt they would penalise them financially. In fact English players also take a slice of the ipl broadcasting fee from sky built into their contracts.
Woakes is an elite sports man coming back for a test match he will not have to quarantine in a hotel as long as he clears the COVID tests.
Do you seriously believe a cricketer would come to the ipl and lose money, he may miss out on the test match fee but I’m sure he gets paid more for marketing activities in ipl anyway. Ipl is a big draw for cricketers from the west because of the money available but it is a source of income at the end of the day cricket is a career, ask yourself why would you take your self away from the uk into a COVID ravaged India sit on the bench and also miss out 11k , it doesn’t make sense.
They're your own words, not mine. I haven't claimed that anywhere.
Woakes currently loses thousands of pounds by participating in/staying at the IPL:
IPL salary: £145,000 (1.5 crore).
Deduction from his ECB central contract for staying for the full IPL: £125,000
Loss of match fees from the Eng v NZ test series (would have been guaranteed to play with Stokes/Archer injured): £30,000
Additional quarantine fees with India now on the red list: £1,750
Loss from participating in the IPL: £11,750 as well as the time away from home/family (where he currently has a newborn child) and the additional 10 days hotel quarantine now required.
How did I miss this little gem??!!!!!
A player is paid in full even when they are benched.
So they are paid in full if they are available for games, they don't have to be actually playing to be paid in full.
You have to be a special kind of person if you think Woakes will be sitting on the bench and making a loss...
Nonsense. He's a centrally contracted player, central contracts are for playing for England and English domestic cricket which he's not doing. He's therefore docked 1/365th of his contract (it used to be more) for every day at the IPL which comes to about £125k. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/06/02/england-players-agree-new-pay-deal-keep-ipl-wages/
Elite level sportsmen aren't exempt for quarantine requirements/costs from red list countries. He (and the India, NZ, and Pakistan players arriving from India/Pakistan this summer) will have to do 10 days quarantine in a government selected airport hotel at this own cost.
This is quite possibly his last chance to play T20 cricket before the WT20 this year. He's not in England's current T20 squad, likely won't be able to play any blast games because of the international bubbles this summer and may at best be able to play at best a few hundred games. It's his last chance to get in the T20 squad. Before all the covid costs and the NZ tour was announced 1.5 crore would've been about the amount Woakes would know he'd have needed to break even from the tournament. That's what he set his base price is and now with the developments since then (including Stokes' injury guaranteeing he'd be selected in the test team) means the IPL has turned into a minor loss maker for him.
Yes, Indians are free to ignore it.
And the rest of us will compare India and the IPL with:
The European football authorities who suspended their seasons last year.
The IOC who postponed the Olympics one year.
The BCB and PCB who postponed a World Test Championship match worth 60 points.
FIFA who have cancelled six rounds of South American World Cup Qualifiers.
Yes, you are free to have lower standards of behaviour than them. You are free to insult the dead and dying and to endanger the living.
But this is not earning respect for India. India is rapidly losing the respect it has gained over the last few decades, and universally people are commenting on how much better countries like China and Vietnam are doing than India.
Decisions have consequences. The current outbreak is largely due to a master-servant economic model of daily wage workers, which is a recipe for mass deaths in every social class in a pandemic.
But the very public attempts at censorship and of under-reporting Covid deaths, combined with the ostentatiously heartless decision to continue the IPL is making the rest of the world feel both compassion for the vulnerable in India but also pity and contempt for the well-off.
How did I miss this little gem??!!!!!
A player is paid in full even when they are benched.
So they are paid in full if they are available for games, they don't have to be actually playing to be paid in full.
You have to be a special kind of person if you think Woakes will be sitting on the bench and making a loss...
I've provided you with a source, assuming Woakes was guaranteed selection for the NZ tests with Stokes and Archer injured (which he was) he would make more from staying in England then he would from his IPL contract. It's a fact, whether you like it or not.
All European football leagues continued from Dec'20 - Feb'21 when there was terrible 2nd wave in UK / France./ Italy
Like I said where’s your source, this is an article from 2017, a lot has changed since then. Players like stokes , archer still get paid their full ipl contract even tho they didn’t even play more than 10% , similarly ecb pays the salaries of players for the whole year. They wouldn’t actively encourage players to go to the ipl then deduct wages as a penalty.
Elite level sportsmen are very much exempt from quarantining at a hotel,
Source : https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...vid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules
Yes, Indians are free to ignore it.
And the rest of us will compare India and the IPL with:
The European football authorities who suspended their seasons last year.
The IOC who postponed the Olympics one year.
The BCB and PCB who postponed a World Test Championship match worth 60 points.
FIFA who have cancelled six rounds of South American World Cup Qualifiers.
Yes, you are free to have lower standards of behaviour than them. You are free to insult the dead and dying and to endanger the living.
But this is not earning respect for India. India is rapidly losing the respect it has gained over the last few decades, and universally people are commenting on how much better countries like China and Vietnam are doing than India.
Decisions have consequences. The current outbreak is largely due to a master-servant economic model of daily wage workers, which is a recipe for mass deaths in every social class in a pandemic.
But the very public attempts at censorship and of under-reporting Covid deaths, combined with the ostentatiously heartless decision to continue the IPL is making the rest of the world feel both compassion for the vulnerable in India but also pity and contempt for the well-off.
There's no newer source because nothing has changed since then. Feel free to provide a source that indicates this has changed in any way.
You realise you've linked to a page where it very explicitly says in the elite sportsmen section: "If you have been in any country on the travel ban red list in the previous 10 days, you need to quarantine in a government approved hotel and take a COVID-19 test on day 2 and day 8." There is no exception for sportsmen.
Please research properly and stop commenting on things you are clearly clueless on.
Ok let's go with the fact they do have to quarantine, how the hell did you come up with the figure of £125k deduction.
There's no newer source because the deductions your talking about are a myth. Ecb pays salary In full regardless of whether a player plays 1 match or 50 matches. Just like the ipl does. Ipl delusions have gone to a new level with this claim![]()
Ok let's go with the fact they do have to quarantine, how the hell did you come up with the figure of £125k deduction.
There's no newer source because the deductions your talking about are a myth. Ecb pays salary In full regardless of whether a player plays 1 match or 50 matches. Just like the ipl does. Ipl delusions have gone to a new level with this claim![]()
There's no newer source because nothing has changed since then. Feel free to provide a source that indicates this has changed in any way.
You realise you've linked to a page where it very explicitly says in the elite sportsmen section: "If you have been in any country on the travel ban red list in the previous 10 days, you need to quarantine in a government approved hotel and take a COVID-19 test on day 2 and day 8." There is no exception for sportsmen.
Please research properly and stop commenting on things you are clearly clueless on.
Do you have a source to the contrary stating that the ECB doesn't deduct player salaries and pays in full even if the player is at the IPL? Genuinely curious.
This topics been discussed plenty of times before on sky tLksport etc, plenty of articles from the likes of Geoff boycott and Michael Vaughan now calling for deductions to salaries which more than likely means it does not happen.
What Boycott actually said was: “If players want to go home for a break from England duty, dock their money. Better still don’t select them unless they can agree to be available for a whole series.” He was referring to players going for the full IPL but not being available for every England game during the winter, because he's ridiculously out of touch on mental health.
Again your opinion. Which Indians are free to ignore like they have since 1947.
Now please post a source that says that India has 20k deaths daily.
.1. A country which at both national and state level has completely bungled this pandemic, and is trying to hide the horrific numbers.
You keep repeating these unsubstantiated claims with zero proof of deliberate underreporting. I dare you to show a single credible proof of this (dont waste your time if plan to quote ndtv, wapo, nytimes )
2. A cricket tournament which has less justification to continue than:
EPL 2020
Champions League 2020
Olympics 2020
Euro 2020
We dont care how/if these tournaments are run - their ethics and moral standards specifications etc. Like how they wont and shouldnt care about IPL. You are being heavily judgmental, prejudiced, selectively biased with an agenda in your opinion and maliciously intrusive in unrelated affairs.
If a player already gets docked wages for being at the ipl then what's the problem, why would he ask for more money to be docked,
since Ashley Giles has come and Strauss before him they changed the way they look.
at ipl like I said with sky new broadcast deal it's part of the England contract they get paid more if they are in ipl due to broadcasting image rights etc. Like.i said this topic has been discussed many a time before on sky cricket debate show.
Because asking for players to be docked when they make themselves unavailable for England is completely different to players being docked when they're away at the IPL.
Strauss was the one who made the 1/365th for every day at the IPL deal.
Could you provide a direct source for this?
I will have to fish it out I saw it on tv so will need to find a written source, in the meantime I will leave you with the below.
https://www.republicworld.com/sport...at-kohli-in-dream11-ipl-and-intl-cricket.html
Judging by your calculations he would be making a loss playing ipl![]()
Because asking for players to be docked when they make themselves unavailable for England is completely different to players being docked when they're away at the IPL.
Strauss was the one who made the 1/365th for every day at the IPL deal.
Could you provide a direct source for this?
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?)
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?)
“It’s a complete massacre of data,” said Bhramar Mukherjee, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan who has been following India closely. “From all the modeling we’ve done, we believe the true number of deaths is two to five times what is being reported.”
Again your opinion. Which Indians are free to ignore like they have since 1947.
Now please post a source that says that India has 20k deaths daily.
Whether it’s NYTimes, WSJ, Washington Post, Guardian, Financial times, Time Magaize... you name it. Every credible publication is saying this.
This graph omg:
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To say that the numbers may be more than what is reported, well i woukd agree. But the covid CFR isnt more than 2 per cent esp in a young population like India.
Now coming to NYT
Let me tell you how this works,
The NYT quotes a man, Prof Bhramar Mukherjee, now Google, you will find different media outlets quoting this same man on different days and he regurgitates the same thing to every one. This guy lives in Michigan. No one asks him, whats his source of Data?
A very similar thing is when you Google Gagandeep Kang, she is again quoted by various media outlets similar to the above case she repeats the same thing to all media houses.
Read the article, it talks about Gujarat and MP, while the worst two states are left out, Maha and Kerala. Nothing about Delhi.
The article takes the name of Modi, blaming him for trying to suppress numbers.
The western media is trying to do a Trump on Modi. They don't like a nationalist, right wing leader who isnt ashamed to follow his religion and who doesn't look to get the approval of the west.
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?)
When these guys quote expert sitting outside India on data about India. Quote a cremation ground worker on cause of death then i have no reason to believe them.
There may be underreporting of deaths, but 20k per day?
I now see the trap that the pro-establishment Indians have lured me into, and I’m not going to fall for it.Again your opinion. Which Indians are free to ignore like they have since 1947.
Now please post a source that says that India has 20k deaths daily.
I now see the trap that the pro-establishment Indians have lured me into, and I’m not going to fall for it.
I have produced seven citations from reputable newspapers in six different countries.
They have cited a total of eleven different cities and states in India in which under-reporting is at a minimum level of 50% (1 article said “two to five times underreported) and in most cases is at levels over 90%.
It’s clear what you are trying to do, but I have no interest in playing “Myanmar General News Discrediting Strategy” with you.
1. Report grossly minimised “official” death numbers.
2. Challenge people who don’t accept the doctored figures to cite their own numbers.
3. Decry their numbers as “unofficial”.
4. Claim that their sources are:
a) Imperialist westerners.
b) Leftists with an agenda
c) Speculative and unproven.
5. Present it as a dispute with two equally plausible sides.
Using your strategy six million Jews did not die in the Holocaust. Stalin barely killed anyone.
But remember this. The USA has a quarter of India’s population. Its peak was 4,000 deaths per day, and it didn’t have patients unable to be admitted to hospital, or sharing beds, or running out of oxygen.
For the record, based upon those facts plus the multiple sources in multiple Indian cities that I provided, I think that around six days ago the daily death count probably surpassed 20,000 per day in India.
And I suspect that it is now at least 50,000 per day currently, and that I am erring on the side of caution with such a low figure, given the evidence in terms of funeral pyres and obituaries for the middle class victims.
And this is a cricket thread! How can we be in the monstrous situation in which anyone is seriously contemplating playing sport amidst this? You might as well play the next round of the IPL in Yangon in front of the Burmese generals!