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Should IPL 2021 be Postponed Amid Rising Coronavirus Cases in India?
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My dad was born and brought up in Dacca. His brother-in-law was tortured by the Pakistanis in 1971.
My bias is this. I will always be grateful to India for liberating East Bengal from Pakistan. I will always take the side of India the nation over Pakistan the nation. But I cannot defend the indefensible.
In this case I see two things.
1. A country which at both national and state level has completely bungled this pandemic, and is trying to hide the horrific numbers.
2. A cricket tournament which has less justification to continue than:
EPL 2020
Champions League 2020
Olympics 2020
Euro 2020
And a range of completely irrelevant excuses are being used to continue the IPL long after these comparable tournaments had been suspended.
The damage to the reputation of India and of the IPL brand is enormous. And every day that the IPL continues it becomes more damaged.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the IPL should carry on .. The joy it will be bringing billions in these awful times every evening is important .. but I do find it tough to think back how England & Aussie pulled out of games in SA,yet both countries players are allowed to play in India !!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2021?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2021</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1386982089468297221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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With the Indian government opening up the process of COVID-19 vaccination for every citizen above the age of 18 from May 1, all eyes are now on the cricketers who are plying their trade in the 14th edition of the Indian Premier League. The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has left the decision of vaccination on the players.
Speaking to ANI, sources in the know of developments in the BCCI said it is for players to decide on vaccination once the doors open for everyone above the age of 18 from May 1.
"The Indian players can get vaccinated from Saturday. It is a call that is left on players," the source said.
Asked if an exception can be made for the foreign players as well since there are players from England, Australia, South Africa and West Indies currently playing in the IPL, the source said: "Only the Indian players can get vaccinated here."
Meanwhile, Australia and Kolkata Knight Riders (KKR) pacer Pat Cummins on Monday informed he has donated to the PM-Cares fund to help purchase oxygen supplies for India's hospitals.
Last week, Prime Minister's Office (PMO) said in line with PM Narendra Modi's direction of boosting the availability of oxygen to hospitals, the PM CARES Fund has given in-principle approval for allocation of funds for installation of 551 dedicated Pressure Swing Adsorption (PSA) Medical Oxygen Generation Plants inside public health facilities across the country.
Cummins also urged fellow players who are participating in the ongoing IPL to come forward and donate for the same. The Australian pacer has donated $50,000 to the PM-Cares Fund.
India recorded 3,23,144 new COVID-19 cases and 2,771 related deaths in the last 24 hours, as per the latest update from the union health ministry on Tuesday morning.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...e-on-covid-19-vaccination-121042700258_1.html
Speaking to ANI, sources in the know of developments in the BCCI said it is for players to decide on vaccination once the doors open for everyone above the age of 18 from May 1.
"The Indian players can get vaccinated from Saturday. It is a call that is left on players," the source said.
Asked if an exception can be made for the foreign players as well since there are players from England, Australia, South Africa and West Indies currently playing in the IPL, the source said: "Only the Indian players can get vaccinated here."
Meanwhile, Australia and Kolkata Knight Riders (KKR) pacer Pat Cummins on Monday informed he has donated to the PM-Cares fund to help purchase oxygen supplies for India's hospitals.
Last week, Prime Minister's Office (PMO) said in line with PM Narendra Modi's direction of boosting the availability of oxygen to hospitals, the PM CARES Fund has given in-principle approval for allocation of funds for installation of 551 dedicated Pressure Swing Adsorption (PSA) Medical Oxygen Generation Plants inside public health facilities across the country.
Cummins also urged fellow players who are participating in the ongoing IPL to come forward and donate for the same. The Australian pacer has donated $50,000 to the PM-Cares Fund.
India recorded 3,23,144 new COVID-19 cases and 2,771 related deaths in the last 24 hours, as per the latest update from the union health ministry on Tuesday morning.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...e-on-covid-19-vaccination-121042700258_1.html
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A couple of points have been proved by Vaughan's tweet above.
1) Australian and England players prioritize playing IPL over playing against (ABD+ Steyn) less South African team.
2) South African players prioritize playing IPL over playing against Pakistan team in T20 format.
1) Australian and England players prioritize playing IPL over playing against (ABD+ Steyn) less South African team.
2) South African players prioritize playing IPL over playing against Pakistan team in T20 format.
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Adam Zampa argues the Indian Premier League should have again been held in UAE, and explained his decision to leave early was based on prioritising his mental health over financial gain.
Along with paceman and teammate Kane Richardson, the star Australian leg-spinner is set to narrowly avoid being stranded after the Royal Challengers Bangalore pair joined fellow Aussie Andrew Tye in deciding to leave India amid the country’s record COVID-19 numbers, which has led the federal government to pause direct flights to Australia from India until May 15.
Adam Zampa is hoping to get home and (inset) Kane Williamson and David Warner, IPL teammates, suit up in India.
Adam Zampa is hoping to get home and (inset) Kane Williamson and David Warner, IPL teammates, suit up in India. GETTY IMAGES/SUPPLIED
There are more than 30 Australian players, coaches, commentators and umpires in India for the lucrative tournament whose passage home is under a cloud after the government’s decision. The tournament is due to end on May 30.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Tuesday the cricketers would not be given special treatment, with thousands of Australians stranded. Zampa and Richardson had already begun the process of getting home before the announcement.
“Someone who has a family member on their death bed probably doesn’t care about the cricket.”
“They have travelled there privately,” Morrison said of the cricketers. “This wasn’t part of an Australian tour. They’re under their own resources and they’ll be using those resources too, I’m sure, to see them return to Australia in accordance with their own arrangements.”
Zampa - who is now staring at two weeks of hotel quarantine in Melbourne - had not been getting a regular game for his IPL team, which he said contributed to his call to seek to leave.
But ultimately it came down to personal factors, including not wanting to again jeopardise his twice-postponed wedding to fiance, Hattie. Zampa is hoping it will be third time lucky, with the couple now due to wed on June 18.
Zampa added that it had been an “accumulation” of things that led him to make the choice to leave.
“Obviously the COVID situation over here is pretty dire. I just felt, rocking up to training and stuff, obviously, I wasn’t playing in the team as well, I was going to training and I wasn’t finding the motivation,” Zampa told The Age and the Herald.
“[There were] a few other things like bubble fatigue and the chance to get home, once all the news broke about the flights and everything. I thought this was the best time to make the call.”
Asked if he thought the tournament - which runs until the end of May - should be proceeding at all, Zampa said he saw both sides of the argument.
“There’s a lot of people coming out and saying games of cricket could be a reprieve for some people but that’s also going to be a personal answer,” Zampa said.
“Someone who has a family member on their death bed probably doesn’t care about the cricket.”
But despite the IPL being staged in a biosecure bubble without crowds, Zampa noted that he had felt much safer in the UAE, which hosted the previous edition of the tournament last year.
A string of Australians have returned home from the IPL due to India's worsening COVID-19 crisis.
“We’ve been in a few [bubbles] now, and I feel like this is probably the most vulnerable,” he said.
“I just feel like because it’s India, we’re always being told about the hygiene over here and being extra careful ... I just felt like it was the most vulnerable. The IPL that was held in Dubai six months ago didn’t feel that way at all. I felt like that was extremely safe. Personally, I feel like that would have been a better option originally for this IPL but obviously, there’s a lot of political stuff that goes into it. Obviously there’s the T20 World Cup that’s meant to be happening here later this year. That’s probably going to be the next discussion in the cricket world. Six months is a long time.”
He said he had foregone a substantial sum of money by leaving the event but was comfortable with his call.
“I feel like for leaving anyone leaving halfway through a tournament, it’s definitely a financial sacrifice. But from my point of view I wanted to put my mental health first,” Zampa said.
The spinner also praised Australian teammate Pat Cummins’ call to donate $50,000 to an Indian COVID-19 relief fund.
“Obviously really generous. I think we’ll probably see more of it now,” Zampa said.
“My thoughts go out to everyone over here. I understand how dire the situation is. It’s bigger than cricket.”
Former New Zealand paceman turned commentator Danny Morrison, on the road from Chennai to Bengaluru on Tuesday, spoke of how “eerie” life was in the nation as it battles the worsening COVID-19 outbreak.
But the Australia-based Morrison, part of the IPL’s broadcast bubble, echoed the views of sources on the ground in India, saying he was not concerned about flights back home despite the travel pause.
“You can’t get too stressed about it, you’ve got to roll with it and see what happens really,” Morrison said.
“The only time we’re out now is in this car convoy bubble. The only thing you stop for is a leak. It’s quite eerie in that you don’t see that many people. The rural areas are mellow too. You normally see a lot more people out and about.”
https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/cri...0210427-p57mob.html?__twitter_impression=true
Along with paceman and teammate Kane Richardson, the star Australian leg-spinner is set to narrowly avoid being stranded after the Royal Challengers Bangalore pair joined fellow Aussie Andrew Tye in deciding to leave India amid the country’s record COVID-19 numbers, which has led the federal government to pause direct flights to Australia from India until May 15.
Adam Zampa is hoping to get home and (inset) Kane Williamson and David Warner, IPL teammates, suit up in India.
Adam Zampa is hoping to get home and (inset) Kane Williamson and David Warner, IPL teammates, suit up in India. GETTY IMAGES/SUPPLIED
There are more than 30 Australian players, coaches, commentators and umpires in India for the lucrative tournament whose passage home is under a cloud after the government’s decision. The tournament is due to end on May 30.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Tuesday the cricketers would not be given special treatment, with thousands of Australians stranded. Zampa and Richardson had already begun the process of getting home before the announcement.
“Someone who has a family member on their death bed probably doesn’t care about the cricket.”
“They have travelled there privately,” Morrison said of the cricketers. “This wasn’t part of an Australian tour. They’re under their own resources and they’ll be using those resources too, I’m sure, to see them return to Australia in accordance with their own arrangements.”
Zampa - who is now staring at two weeks of hotel quarantine in Melbourne - had not been getting a regular game for his IPL team, which he said contributed to his call to seek to leave.
But ultimately it came down to personal factors, including not wanting to again jeopardise his twice-postponed wedding to fiance, Hattie. Zampa is hoping it will be third time lucky, with the couple now due to wed on June 18.
Zampa added that it had been an “accumulation” of things that led him to make the choice to leave.
“Obviously the COVID situation over here is pretty dire. I just felt, rocking up to training and stuff, obviously, I wasn’t playing in the team as well, I was going to training and I wasn’t finding the motivation,” Zampa told The Age and the Herald.
“[There were] a few other things like bubble fatigue and the chance to get home, once all the news broke about the flights and everything. I thought this was the best time to make the call.”
Asked if he thought the tournament - which runs until the end of May - should be proceeding at all, Zampa said he saw both sides of the argument.
“There’s a lot of people coming out and saying games of cricket could be a reprieve for some people but that’s also going to be a personal answer,” Zampa said.
“Someone who has a family member on their death bed probably doesn’t care about the cricket.”
But despite the IPL being staged in a biosecure bubble without crowds, Zampa noted that he had felt much safer in the UAE, which hosted the previous edition of the tournament last year.
A string of Australians have returned home from the IPL due to India's worsening COVID-19 crisis.
“We’ve been in a few [bubbles] now, and I feel like this is probably the most vulnerable,” he said.
“I just feel like because it’s India, we’re always being told about the hygiene over here and being extra careful ... I just felt like it was the most vulnerable. The IPL that was held in Dubai six months ago didn’t feel that way at all. I felt like that was extremely safe. Personally, I feel like that would have been a better option originally for this IPL but obviously, there’s a lot of political stuff that goes into it. Obviously there’s the T20 World Cup that’s meant to be happening here later this year. That’s probably going to be the next discussion in the cricket world. Six months is a long time.”
He said he had foregone a substantial sum of money by leaving the event but was comfortable with his call.
“I feel like for leaving anyone leaving halfway through a tournament, it’s definitely a financial sacrifice. But from my point of view I wanted to put my mental health first,” Zampa said.
The spinner also praised Australian teammate Pat Cummins’ call to donate $50,000 to an Indian COVID-19 relief fund.
“Obviously really generous. I think we’ll probably see more of it now,” Zampa said.
“My thoughts go out to everyone over here. I understand how dire the situation is. It’s bigger than cricket.”
Former New Zealand paceman turned commentator Danny Morrison, on the road from Chennai to Bengaluru on Tuesday, spoke of how “eerie” life was in the nation as it battles the worsening COVID-19 outbreak.
But the Australia-based Morrison, part of the IPL’s broadcast bubble, echoed the views of sources on the ground in India, saying he was not concerned about flights back home despite the travel pause.
“You can’t get too stressed about it, you’ve got to roll with it and see what happens really,” Morrison said.
“The only time we’re out now is in this car convoy bubble. The only thing you stop for is a leak. It’s quite eerie in that you don’t see that many people. The rural areas are mellow too. You normally see a lot more people out and about.”
https://amp.theage.com.au/sport/cri...0210427-p57mob.html?__twitter_impression=true
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The Australian and England players didn't go to SouthAfrica because their respective boards cancelled the tour due to rising COVID cases not because of players choice or that they weren't bothered . They cancelled it to preserve the mental and physical health of the cricketers. And in hindsight seemed to be right considering how Zampa and Liam Livingstone sight mental health and exhaustion in a bubble as the reason they backed out of the IPL.
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So IPL bubble is vulnerable after all and i wouldn't put it past them that some are corona positive but keeping it quiet.
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If a major mainstay player or captain of a team gets COVID it will be more obvious.
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Yes but the same boards should also take care of the safety and physical health of the players and not risk by allowing them to play in IPL amidst the situation going around in COVID. That is exactly what Vaughan is referring to.
This is the editorial from Le Monde in Paris this morning. The headline means
“Modi’s India On It’s Knees”
https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...e-de-narendra-modi-ebranlee_6078213_3210.html
They blame the pandemic squarely on “the arrogance and demagoguery of the Prime Minister” and describe cowardly leadership which prioritised nationalistic slogans over public health during a pandemic.
With every day that passes, the bungling of the pandemic and the arrogance displayed by continuing the IPL is just damaging India’s reputation more and more.
It’s hard to see how the IPL is perceived as helping. The criticism and contempt is now as universal as the disdain that the world shows towards Bolsonaro.
“Modi’s India On It’s Knees”
https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...e-de-narendra-modi-ebranlee_6078213_3210.html
They blame the pandemic squarely on “the arrogance and demagoguery of the Prime Minister” and describe cowardly leadership which prioritised nationalistic slogans over public health during a pandemic.
With every day that passes, the bungling of the pandemic and the arrogance displayed by continuing the IPL is just damaging India’s reputation more and more.
It’s hard to see how the IPL is perceived as helping. The criticism and contempt is now as universal as the disdain that the world shows towards Bolsonaro.
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I remember when posters on this ( mainly the Indians) would mention how it must be difficult to play in Pakistan due to the oppressive security conditions, how its difficult going from ground to ground under armed guard and being confined to a hotel.
These same posters are now saying its acceptable to play cricket with players travelling to stadiums like this.
The BCCI/IPL/Players need to spare us the nonsense about doing this for humanity. I'd be fine with them saying they are doing it for the cash....but to say you are playing cricket for humanity while people are burning bodies in droves is callous. I'm surprised the Indian posters are falling for it.
These same posters are now saying its acceptable to play cricket with players travelling to stadiums like this.
The BCCI/IPL/Players need to spare us the nonsense about doing this for humanity. I'd be fine with them saying they are doing it for the cash....but to say you are playing cricket for humanity while people are burning bodies in droves is callous. I'm surprised the Indian posters are falling for it.
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In either case. The tournament should stop also because it's taking an obvious toll on a cricketers mental well being as well. We only seem to be focussing on their risk of catching COVID but there's been a number of cricketers who have had to leave because of mental or personal issues. Ashwin himself had to leave to support his family in COVID. I wouldn't be surprised if other local players follow suit. You can argue if it's a players own personal choice to leave or not but it just doesn't make sense to continue the tournament in such a volatile environment like this.
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I doubt any poster is falling for it. Some of the Indian posters know full well that it should be postponed but will never admit to it due to their extreme nationalist beliefs.
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They should have, but I think it's more to do with CA and ECB maintaining relations with BCCI rather than players choice....which is what Vaughn is pointing out...
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In fact, I would say this is more likely. Had this been PSL or any other tamasha league no way would players have been allowed to go even if they wanted to. But BCCI's stranglehold on cricket has pretty much left ECB and ACB with little room to say no.
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So some of the very biggest business in the US are trying to put together a task force to help india. At the same time ventilators and other aide is arriving from the UK and Europe. People are dying on the street as their are not enough beds in hospitals but somehow during all this the IPL continues?
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I'm sure the fact that CSA were running a failed bubble during the England tour has nothing to do with it...
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Cricket Australia and ACA Joint Statement
Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers’ Association are in regular dialogue with players, coaches, match officials and commentators on the ground in India regarding the current situation and we will assist where possible.
We will continue to liaise closely with the Australian Government following today’s announcement that direct flights from India to Australia will be paused until May 15, and monitor the situation between now and the tournament’s scheduled conclusion on May 30.
We thank the BCCI and IPL for their efforts to keep everyone safe in the tournament’s bio-secure bubble.
Once again, our thoughts are with the people of India during this challenging time.
Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers’ Association are in regular dialogue with players, coaches, match officials and commentators on the ground in India regarding the current situation and we will assist where possible.
We will continue to liaise closely with the Australian Government following today’s announcement that direct flights from India to Australia will be paused until May 15, and monitor the situation between now and the tournament’s scheduled conclusion on May 30.
We thank the BCCI and IPL for their efforts to keep everyone safe in the tournament’s bio-secure bubble.
Once again, our thoughts are with the people of India during this challenging time.
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Exactly the point.
Imagine if the Tokyo olympics DID take place AT THAT TIME in the name of 'making people happy'. or if 'EURO 2020' took place when France, Germany and other European countries were being ravaged by the virus. There would be outrage. IPL's only reason to stay on is business and money.
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There is only one point and that is money. Don't be so delusional.
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Not to mention the fact that the situation for them wasn't even as close to as bad as it is for India right now.
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You could line up the WI of the 80s and they still wouldn't play against them, above obtaining some
from IPL.This has more to do with maintaining those
relations with BCCIYou could line up the WI of the 80s and they still wouldn't play against them, above obtaining some
This has more to do with maintaining those
Or they prioritise their safety. The bubble had failed whilst England were in South Africa, the IPL bubble hasn't been breached.
Added to that there's people like Woakes. Woakes was one of the players that flew home from South Africa when the bubble failed. He's currently at the IPL and has been warming the bench for the last couple of games. He'll make no profit from participating in/staying at the IPL, if anything it will cost him money to be there and he's away from his family/first child that was born towards the end of last year.
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A question from me and please do not take it personally. Your closest family member passes away and that very evening you get free tickets for 2 to watch a movie in the cinema. You chose to go watch that movie with your girlfriend.
Your neighbour watches you do this and tells you ‘how sickening’
In response you call him jealous as you won the free ticket and not him.
Now you see how all this is sounding!
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Warming the bench or not players get paid, do you seriously think all international players sitting on the bench in the ipl are their out of their own expense
woakes probably gets paid more than he does in the whole year at the ipl, that’s why he’s happy to stay.Everyone knows that these leagues are all about money. The point is no person would risk their own & familie's life even if you pay them a lot of money unless they have confidence on the system. PSL was also paying money and its not like players were playing due to charity. But players left & tournament had to be scrapped due to mismanagement by PCB. Dont you think credit must be given to BCCI by the way they have created the bubble and conducting the tournament seamlessly even though the country is in a disarray?
If Warner & Smith decides to leave tomorrow, they would still get their contract money. They would only miss out on the match fees which is miniscule. Ashwin, who left IPL midway will still get full money from Delhi Capitals. Even injured players like Archer & Stokes who are out injured would get their due. So its not as if players are forcefully staying back for their contract money. They have trust on the BCCI created bubble and want to fulfill responsibilities for their franchise. Players who cant trust, like Zampa etc. are free to leave but would still get the money.
I agree on the moral ground that it might not be the right time to host IPL. But if you remove the moral bit and emotional angle, not a single person has died or suffered due to IPL nor IPL has any direct connection with the covid cases in India.
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Where does any article say that death rate is 10 times? All they say is its under reported.
As a doctor i can tell you that the cause of death in India us recorded by the attending doctor and not the cremation ground worker. So NYT saying that a municipal worker is recording the cause of death is not true.
All i am asking you to prove is your statement that 20k people are dying in India.
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Chris lynn is claiming all international players will get the vaccine from next week, must say India is splashing the cash to keep the cricket going. Enough has been said about where the money or vaccines could be of better use.
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Black Caps captain Kane Williamson has clearly illustrated the lengths to which players in the Indian Premier League are going to avoid the country's rampant rate of Covid-19 infections.
On Tuesday, India broke the world record for daily Covid-19 infections for a fifth consecutive day, reporting nearly 353,000 new cases. And it added 2,812 deaths to its overall toll of more than 195,000, which experts say may be a vast undercount.
However, Twenty20 cricket's premier domestic competition continues to run without major disruption; though cracks are starting to appear in player confidence.
Australian cricketers Andrew Tye, Kane Richardson and Adam Zampa have returned to their home country after expressing fears that they would not be able to return if they left the decision much longer.
Indeed, those fears came to fruition on Tuesday afternoon when Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a complete halt on flights to and from India into Australia until May 15.
Those players left in India are apparently now subjected to extreme measures in order to stay within their bubbles, as Williamson and fellow Sunrisers Hyderabad batsman David Warner showed on Tuesday.
Warner posted a photo to his Instagram account which showed both players in full PPE outfits that included hooded protective suits and full-face coverings along with the understated caption "stay safe".
The pair were in the midst of travelling from Chennai to Delhi which involved a plane flight and, thus, some extreme safety precautions.
Despite the recent departures of Tye, Richardson and Zampa, New Zealand's IPL contingent of ten players currently show no signs of giving up on their time in India.
New Zealand Cricket says it is in close contact with all those players in India and their respective teams and is communicating with the ICC and the England and Wales Cricket Board about how to safely manage logistics for those players expected to fly to England for the Black Caps June fixtures.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cr...covid-19-outbreak/Q2ZNL3KEYIYNW7E4DIQTJQDTQY/
On Tuesday, India broke the world record for daily Covid-19 infections for a fifth consecutive day, reporting nearly 353,000 new cases. And it added 2,812 deaths to its overall toll of more than 195,000, which experts say may be a vast undercount.
However, Twenty20 cricket's premier domestic competition continues to run without major disruption; though cracks are starting to appear in player confidence.
Australian cricketers Andrew Tye, Kane Richardson and Adam Zampa have returned to their home country after expressing fears that they would not be able to return if they left the decision much longer.
Indeed, those fears came to fruition on Tuesday afternoon when Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a complete halt on flights to and from India into Australia until May 15.
Those players left in India are apparently now subjected to extreme measures in order to stay within their bubbles, as Williamson and fellow Sunrisers Hyderabad batsman David Warner showed on Tuesday.
Warner posted a photo to his Instagram account which showed both players in full PPE outfits that included hooded protective suits and full-face coverings along with the understated caption "stay safe".
The pair were in the midst of travelling from Chennai to Delhi which involved a plane flight and, thus, some extreme safety precautions.
Despite the recent departures of Tye, Richardson and Zampa, New Zealand's IPL contingent of ten players currently show no signs of giving up on their time in India.
New Zealand Cricket says it is in close contact with all those players in India and their respective teams and is communicating with the ICC and the England and Wales Cricket Board about how to safely manage logistics for those players expected to fly to England for the Black Caps June fixtures.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cr...covid-19-outbreak/Q2ZNL3KEYIYNW7E4DIQTJQDTQY/
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Pakistanis keep repeating the same thing. Things that make no sense.
Unless there is a bio bubble breach, IPL will continue.
IPL doesn't spread the virus.
IPL is not hogging any hospital beds etc.
Ofcourse they can be of the opinion that IPL should not be played. Well thats their opinion, Indians are free to ignore it.
Unless there is a bio bubble breach, IPL will continue.
IPL doesn't spread the virus.
IPL is not hogging any hospital beds etc.
Ofcourse they can be of the opinion that IPL should not be played. Well thats their opinion, Indians are free to ignore it.
Warming the bench or not players get paid, do you seriously think all international players sitting on the bench in the ipl are their out of their own expense
They're your own words, not mine. I haven't claimed that anywhere.
Woakes currently loses thousands of pounds by participating in/staying at the IPL:
IPL salary: £145,000 (1.5 crore).
Deduction from his ECB central contract for staying for the full IPL: £125,000
Loss of match fees from the Eng v NZ test series (would have been guaranteed to play with Stokes/Archer injured): £30,000
Additional quarantine fees with India now on the red list: £1,750
Loss from participating in the IPL: £11,750 as well as the time away from home/family (where he currently has a newborn child) and the additional 10 days hotel quarantine now required.
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IPL authorities have assured Australian players in COVID-ravaged India they will do everything possible to get them home as the Australian government paused all flights from the nation until mid-May.
Australian cricketers, coaches, commentators and officials taking part in the world’s richest T20 tournament received a letter from the IPL boss on Tuesday reassuring them they would not be trapped in India.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison made it clear there would be no special arrangements for the players, who he noted were not in India as part of the Australian team.
While West Australian bowleer Andrew Tye managed to leave on the weekend and return home safely, Adam Zampa and Kane Richardson, who had hoped to leave on Wednesday morning, were still in Mumbai when Morrison announced flights would be stopped.
The Australian understands the pair were due to fly out in the early hours to Doha.
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Australian cricketer Andrew Tye arrives back in Sydney after fleeing India. Picture: Jeremy Piper
Australian cricketer Andrew Tye arrives back in Sydney after fleeing India. Picture: Jeremy Piper
The PM said on Tuesday that passengers coming on flights via Doha, Dubai, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur had been blocked by the countries mentioned.
Sources in India said there was still some hope that a prearranged flight would allow Zampa and Richardson to return.
Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers Association were scrambling on Tuesday to confirm the situation for the pair, who announced on Monday they would be leaving their Bangalore franchise.
In a letter obtained by News Corp, IPL and BCCI chief Hemang Amin wrote to players to reassure them about the situation.
“We understand that there are a few apprehensions and concerns regarding the general situation in India and the withdrawals of certain cricketers,” he wrote.
“We completely respect the decision taken by the players and extend our support to them in every way. At the same time, we would also assure you that you are totally safe within the bubble.”
Hemang said biosecurity measures would become stricter, with testing every two days not five and outside food deliveries banned from team hotels.
“We understand that many of you are apprehensive about how you will get back home once the tournament concludes, which is natural and understandable,” he wrote.
“We want to apprise you that you have nothing to worry about. The BCCI will do everything to ensure that you reach your respective destinations seamlessly.
“The BCCI is monitoring the situation very closely and is working with the government authorities to make arrangements to get you home once the tournament concludes. But rest assured that the tournament is not over for BCCI till each one of you has reached your home, safe and sound.”
CA was trying to establish the status of the players who wanted to leave now and get advice on what will happen at the end of the tournament.
The IPL is not complete until the end of May and while the majority of the Australians involved have resolved to stay others are unsure about their next move but appear to have had it made for them.
Pat Cummins is playing with the Kolkata Knight Riders in the Indian Premier League.
Pat Cummins is playing with the Kolkata Knight Riders in the Indian Premier League.
No decision has been made about a proposed charter flight for the entire group.
The franchise owners in the IPL have private jets and have allowed players to use them for flights in the past. There is a suggestion the Australians could use them to get to a third country.
Morrison ruled out any special arrangements on repatriation flights for the players.
“No, it’s done on vulnerability and they’ve travelled there privately under those arrangements,” he said after a meeting of national cabinet. “This wasn’t part of an Australian tour and they’re under their own resources and they will be using those resources, I’m sure, to see them return to Australia in accordance with their own arrangements.”
There is hope that the Australians taking part in the IPL will be given some priority as they have been tested regularly while in India and remained inside an extremely tight biosecurity bubble.
Chris Lynn said he was expecting to be vaccinated next week.
Lynn told News Corp on Monday he thought Cricket Australia should organise a flight home as it received 10 per cent of the players’ salaries from the IPL.
The ACA and CA has co-ordinated a WhatsApp group for the 39 Australians in India working at the IPL and have been understood to be looking at a charter flight home at the end of the tournament.
Players are on their own at the IPL but both organisations are keen to see them repatriated.
All would have had private flights arranged by their employers, but there is no certainty these will be honoured with the government suspending flights.
The IPL had refused to mention the pandemic during the tournament but recently instituted public health messages during the broadcast, which urge people to take precautions.
The decision to continue the IPL in the middle of what Morrison called a “humanitarian crisis” is proving controversial, but the Indian government is keen for the tournament to continue.
Pat Cummins, who donated $50,000 for ventilators to a charity spruiked by Indian PM Nahendra Modi, noted this in a social media post.
“I’m advised that the Indian Government is of the view that playing the IPL while the population is in lockdown provides a few hours of joy and respite each day at an otherwise difficult time for the country,” he wrote.
Haddin’s revelation on whether IPL continues in broken land
Brad Haddin says the deserted streets and their sounds of silence — is when it hit you most. India doesn’t feel like India.
The honking horns which are the relentless backing track of life in the land of a billion souls have fallen silent.
But the greatest cricketing show on earth is committing to go on … for the moment.
Haddin is assistant coach at Sunrisers Hyderabad and on Tuesday caught a private jet with the team to New Delhi, the city which is recording COVID cases at a record rate as India’s total spikes to a world record 350,000 a day.
Brad Haddin says he can see both sides to the argument as to whether the IPL should continue.
Brad Haddin says he can see both sides to the argument as to whether the IPL should continue.
And that is just the ones that have been counted. One IPL medical man says you can multiply that by 10 and it would be closer to the truth.
“There is no-one on the roads — the country is in lockdown,’’ Haddin said.
“The normal carnage of getting through Indian traffic is not there. It does feel strange. Different.’’
Haddin is aware of the two widely different public sentiments in India on the merits of having a glamorous cricket tournament in the middle of catastrophic health issue.
Much like Phar Lap giving people cause to smile in the Great Depression, there are many who say the tournament is doing its job to provide some salvation for the shattered spirits of the nation. And the other side is that the cash would be better spend on health.
“There is that divide where many people are saying the cricket is giving them something to hold to on and other saying the resources might be better used to help in the pandemic. I can see both sides.
“It is a really hard thing to get your head around. You feel safe in the team bubble yet there is a major shortage of oxygen in hospitals.’’
Haddin is unsure what effect the federal government’s flight ban to and from India until mid-May will have on the Australian players and coaches still in India.
“I can’t answer that at the moment but the fact that players feel safe helps. If that changes players will change. The only concern is how you can get home. That will be interesting to see how they get home.
“In the hotels you feel safe. They have gone to great lengths to put anyone’s mind at ease.
“The bubbles have been extremely tight. We are (COVID) tested every three days.
“Staff have been un quarantine for two weeks. The only people you have contact with are in the bubble with you.’’
Haddin’s team occupy three floors of the their hotel — two for sleeping and one for eating.
“Food is prepared is only for our team by people who don’t leave the hotel. Everyone is in the bubble. The staff quarantined for two weeks before the tour.’’
https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...y/news-story/d7e9ccf25024a0509777b0479545b869
Australian cricketers, coaches, commentators and officials taking part in the world’s richest T20 tournament received a letter from the IPL boss on Tuesday reassuring them they would not be trapped in India.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison made it clear there would be no special arrangements for the players, who he noted were not in India as part of the Australian team.
While West Australian bowleer Andrew Tye managed to leave on the weekend and return home safely, Adam Zampa and Kane Richardson, who had hoped to leave on Wednesday morning, were still in Mumbai when Morrison announced flights would be stopped.
The Australian understands the pair were due to fly out in the early hours to Doha.
Watch Every Match of The 2021 IPL Live & On-Demand on Kayo. New to Kayo? Try 14-Days Free Now >
Australian cricketer Andrew Tye arrives back in Sydney after fleeing India. Picture: Jeremy Piper
Australian cricketer Andrew Tye arrives back in Sydney after fleeing India. Picture: Jeremy Piper
The PM said on Tuesday that passengers coming on flights via Doha, Dubai, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur had been blocked by the countries mentioned.
Sources in India said there was still some hope that a prearranged flight would allow Zampa and Richardson to return.
Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers Association were scrambling on Tuesday to confirm the situation for the pair, who announced on Monday they would be leaving their Bangalore franchise.
In a letter obtained by News Corp, IPL and BCCI chief Hemang Amin wrote to players to reassure them about the situation.
“We understand that there are a few apprehensions and concerns regarding the general situation in India and the withdrawals of certain cricketers,” he wrote.
“We completely respect the decision taken by the players and extend our support to them in every way. At the same time, we would also assure you that you are totally safe within the bubble.”
Hemang said biosecurity measures would become stricter, with testing every two days not five and outside food deliveries banned from team hotels.
“We understand that many of you are apprehensive about how you will get back home once the tournament concludes, which is natural and understandable,” he wrote.
“We want to apprise you that you have nothing to worry about. The BCCI will do everything to ensure that you reach your respective destinations seamlessly.
“The BCCI is monitoring the situation very closely and is working with the government authorities to make arrangements to get you home once the tournament concludes. But rest assured that the tournament is not over for BCCI till each one of you has reached your home, safe and sound.”
CA was trying to establish the status of the players who wanted to leave now and get advice on what will happen at the end of the tournament.
The IPL is not complete until the end of May and while the majority of the Australians involved have resolved to stay others are unsure about their next move but appear to have had it made for them.
Pat Cummins is playing with the Kolkata Knight Riders in the Indian Premier League.
Pat Cummins is playing with the Kolkata Knight Riders in the Indian Premier League.
No decision has been made about a proposed charter flight for the entire group.
The franchise owners in the IPL have private jets and have allowed players to use them for flights in the past. There is a suggestion the Australians could use them to get to a third country.
Morrison ruled out any special arrangements on repatriation flights for the players.
“No, it’s done on vulnerability and they’ve travelled there privately under those arrangements,” he said after a meeting of national cabinet. “This wasn’t part of an Australian tour and they’re under their own resources and they will be using those resources, I’m sure, to see them return to Australia in accordance with their own arrangements.”
There is hope that the Australians taking part in the IPL will be given some priority as they have been tested regularly while in India and remained inside an extremely tight biosecurity bubble.
Chris Lynn said he was expecting to be vaccinated next week.
Lynn told News Corp on Monday he thought Cricket Australia should organise a flight home as it received 10 per cent of the players’ salaries from the IPL.
The ACA and CA has co-ordinated a WhatsApp group for the 39 Australians in India working at the IPL and have been understood to be looking at a charter flight home at the end of the tournament.
Players are on their own at the IPL but both organisations are keen to see them repatriated.
All would have had private flights arranged by their employers, but there is no certainty these will be honoured with the government suspending flights.
The IPL had refused to mention the pandemic during the tournament but recently instituted public health messages during the broadcast, which urge people to take precautions.
The decision to continue the IPL in the middle of what Morrison called a “humanitarian crisis” is proving controversial, but the Indian government is keen for the tournament to continue.
Pat Cummins, who donated $50,000 for ventilators to a charity spruiked by Indian PM Nahendra Modi, noted this in a social media post.
“I’m advised that the Indian Government is of the view that playing the IPL while the population is in lockdown provides a few hours of joy and respite each day at an otherwise difficult time for the country,” he wrote.
Haddin’s revelation on whether IPL continues in broken land
Brad Haddin says the deserted streets and their sounds of silence — is when it hit you most. India doesn’t feel like India.
The honking horns which are the relentless backing track of life in the land of a billion souls have fallen silent.
But the greatest cricketing show on earth is committing to go on … for the moment.
Haddin is assistant coach at Sunrisers Hyderabad and on Tuesday caught a private jet with the team to New Delhi, the city which is recording COVID cases at a record rate as India’s total spikes to a world record 350,000 a day.
Brad Haddin says he can see both sides to the argument as to whether the IPL should continue.
Brad Haddin says he can see both sides to the argument as to whether the IPL should continue.
And that is just the ones that have been counted. One IPL medical man says you can multiply that by 10 and it would be closer to the truth.
“There is no-one on the roads — the country is in lockdown,’’ Haddin said.
“The normal carnage of getting through Indian traffic is not there. It does feel strange. Different.’’
Haddin is aware of the two widely different public sentiments in India on the merits of having a glamorous cricket tournament in the middle of catastrophic health issue.
Much like Phar Lap giving people cause to smile in the Great Depression, there are many who say the tournament is doing its job to provide some salvation for the shattered spirits of the nation. And the other side is that the cash would be better spend on health.
“There is that divide where many people are saying the cricket is giving them something to hold to on and other saying the resources might be better used to help in the pandemic. I can see both sides.
“It is a really hard thing to get your head around. You feel safe in the team bubble yet there is a major shortage of oxygen in hospitals.’’
Haddin is unsure what effect the federal government’s flight ban to and from India until mid-May will have on the Australian players and coaches still in India.
“I can’t answer that at the moment but the fact that players feel safe helps. If that changes players will change. The only concern is how you can get home. That will be interesting to see how they get home.
“In the hotels you feel safe. They have gone to great lengths to put anyone’s mind at ease.
“The bubbles have been extremely tight. We are (COVID) tested every three days.
“Staff have been un quarantine for two weeks. The only people you have contact with are in the bubble with you.’’
Haddin’s team occupy three floors of the their hotel — two for sleeping and one for eating.
“Food is prepared is only for our team by people who don’t leave the hotel. Everyone is in the bubble. The staff quarantined for two weeks before the tour.’’
https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...y/news-story/d7e9ccf25024a0509777b0479545b869
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IPL is continuing due to national pride above all else. Many fans mocked the PSL cancellation, and for the IPL to follow suit would be considered an embarrassment to those who were keeping score. This whole ethical angle of celebrity cricketers getting 5 star protection while ordinary Indians are struggling to find oxygen is going right over their heads.
As long as the bubbles are now working I don't see an immediate point why it should be cancelled at this stage. Bubbles are already created and all the hard work and risks have already been taken.
Now unless someone tells the me that the resources can be better used to save the general population etc I dont think it needs to be cancelled at all.
Now unless someone tells the me that the resources can be better used to save the general population etc I dont think it needs to be cancelled at all.
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I'm of the opinion that the IPL should be postponed or abandoned in light of extraordinary circumstances prevailing in India at the moment.
But this argument doesn't make sense. It was Cricket Australia and the ECB who pulled out of the South African tour, while the international players are playing in the IPL as individuals on their own choice rather than as representatives of their respective cricket boards.
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PSL was cancelled due to poor bio bubble and facilities for players.
IPL is being asked to cancel because of what is happening around the bubble.
Did you seriously not understand the difference between the 2?
As far as national pride goes, IPL is a private league. It is not run by the Indian government. In fact BCCI itself is a private body.
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Considering bodies are being burned in the street...the IPL is nothing but a PR stunt and the Indian people need to wake up and revolt against this monstrous government. My family included.
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It's incredible.
You can lay it out like you just did and yet it still doesn't sink in or they chose to ignore the elephant in the room.
So for the sake of good order let me just repeat what you said:-
"This whole ethical angle of celebrity cricketers getting 5 star protection while ordinary Indians are struggling to find oxygen is going right over their heads"..
I would like our nationalist members here to comment on this..
Yes, Indians are free to ignore it.
And the rest of us will compare India and the IPL with:
The European football authorities who suspended their seasons last year.
The IOC who postponed the Olympics one year.
The BCB and PCB who postponed a World Test Championship match worth 60 points.
FIFA who have cancelled six rounds of South American World Cup Qualifiers.
Yes, you are free to have lower standards of behaviour than them. You are free to insult the dead and dying and to endanger the living.
But this is not earning respect for India. India is rapidly losing the respect it has gained over the last few decades, and universally people are commenting on how much better countries like China and Vietnam are doing than India.
Decisions have consequences. The current outbreak is largely due to a master-servant economic model of daily wage workers, which is a recipe for mass deaths in every social class in a pandemic.
But the very public attempts at censorship and of under-reporting Covid deaths, combined with the ostentatiously heartless decision to continue the IPL is making the rest of the world feel both compassion for the vulnerable in India but also pity and contempt for the well-off.
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Yesterday I was decried in this thread for warning that public opinion in Australia was likely to turn against the Aussies playing in the IPL.
It has already happened - just read the comments and the likes and dislikes at:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ummins-Steve-Smith-home.html#comments-9516109
The message from the Aussie public to the players is overwhelmingly:
1. You chose to go to a Third World country in the middle of a Pandemic for money. When you knew that Australia’s borders are closed to the rest of us.
2. Now, predictably, you are caught in an outbreak and flights from India are banned, and yet you expect us to lay on a special flight to bring you back?
3. You brought this on yourselves and we won’t let you jump the queue to return, or subsidise your return.
It has already happened - just read the comments and the likes and dislikes at:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ummins-Steve-Smith-home.html#comments-9516109
The message from the Aussie public to the players is overwhelmingly:
1. You chose to go to a Third World country in the middle of a Pandemic for money. When you knew that Australia’s borders are closed to the rest of us.
2. Now, predictably, you are caught in an outbreak and flights from India are banned, and yet you expect us to lay on a special flight to bring you back?
3. You brought this on yourselves and we won’t let you jump the queue to return, or subsidise your return.
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I was actually quite heartened when I saw our resident Pakistan based cheerleader of Indian team had also said it was ethically wrong to continue the tournament in such harrowing conditions, but when I came back to the thread today I see he is back to bashing Pakistan fans and accusing them of jealousy. For some people it's always a political consideration above a humanitarian one. Thankfully there are some good Indian posters who can see the bigger picture. Sometimes entertainment or money isn't the be all and end all.
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Where’s your source for this, Geoff boycott suggested players should get docked but they still get paid their full contract, in fact ecb actively encourage players to go play ipl so I highly doubt they would penalise them financially. In fact English players also take a slice of the ipl broadcasting fee from sky built into their contracts.
Woakes is an elite sports man coming back for a test match he will not have to quarantine in a hotel as long as he clears the COVID tests.
Do you seriously believe a cricketer would come to the ipl and lose money, he may miss out on the test match fee but I’m sure he gets paid more for marketing activities in ipl anyway. Ipl is a big draw for cricketers from the west because of the money available but it is a source of income at the end of the day cricket is a career, ask yourself why would you take your self away from the uk into a COVID ravaged India sit on the bench and also miss out 11k , it doesn’t make sense.
Nonsense. He's a centrally contracted player, central contracts are for playing for England and English domestic cricket which he's not doing. He's therefore docked 1/365th of his contract (it used to be more) for every day at the IPL which comes to about £125k. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/06/02/england-players-agree-new-pay-deal-keep-ipl-wages/
Elite level sportsmen aren't exempt for quarantine requirements/costs from red list countries. He (and the India, NZ, and Pakistan players arriving from India/Pakistan this summer) will have to do 10 days quarantine in a government selected airport hotel at this own cost.
This is quite possibly his last chance to play T20 cricket before the WT20 this year. He's not in England's current T20 squad, likely won't be able to play any blast games because of the international bubbles this summer and may at best be able to play at best a few hundred games. It's his last chance to get in the T20 squad. Before all the covid costs and the NZ tour was announced 1.5 crore would've been about the amount Woakes would know he'd have needed to break even from the tournament. That's what he set his base price is and now with the developments since then (including Stokes' injury guaranteeing he'd be selected in the test team) means the IPL has turned into a minor loss maker for him.
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How did I miss this little gem??!!!!!
A player is paid in full even when they are benched.
So they are paid in full if they are available for games, they don't have to be actually playing to be paid in full.
You have to be a special kind of person if you think Woakes will be sitting on the bench and making a loss...
Have you even read the post you've quoted, nowhere have I said a benched player won't be paid in full. Woakes is still making a loss if he participates in the full IPL whether he plays or not.
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Like I said where’s your source, this is an article from 2017, a lot has changed since then. Players like stokes , archer still get paid their full ipl contract even tho they didn’t even play more than 10% , similarly ecb pays the salaries of players for the whole year. They wouldn’t actively encourage players to go to the ipl then deduct wages as a penalty.
Elite level sportsmen are very much exempt from quarantining at a hotel,
Source : https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...vid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules
Please research properly before making silly claims, like I said no one would go and warm the bench in a 3rd world country ravaged by COVID and take a loss of earnings on top.
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All European football leagues continued from Dec'20 - Feb'21 when there was terrible 2nd wave in UK / France./ Italy
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Mate there’s some delusional posters on here, now we are being told international cricketers are forking out 11k out of their own pocket for the privilege of attending COVID hit India and ipl
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Your source is out of date and doesn’t make sense, please stop making a fool out of yourself, ecb pays contracts in full, so does ipl regardless of games played
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You make a valid point.
Also people were dying outside hospitals and the countries was running short on oxygen in Europe..
Europeans had to track 100km to go to a hospital
There's no newer source because nothing has changed since then. Feel free to provide a source that indicates this has changed in any way.
You realise you've linked to a page where it very explicitly says in the elite sportsmen section: "If you have been in any country on the travel ban red list in the previous 10 days, you need to quarantine in a government approved hotel and take a COVID-19 test on day 2 and day 8." There is no exception for sportsmen.
Please research properly and stop commenting on things you are clearly clueless on.
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Again your opinion. Which Indians are free to ignore like they have since 1947.
Now please post a source that says that India has 20k deaths daily.
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Ok let's go with the fact they do have to quarantine, how the hell did you come up with the figure of £125k deduction
.There's no newer source because the deductions your talking about are a myth. Ecb pays salary In full regardless of whether a player plays 1 match or 50 matches. Just like the ipl does. Ipl delusions have gone to a new level with this claim
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Ok let's go with the fact they do have to quarantine, how the hell did you come up with the figure of £125k deduction
There's no newer source because the deductions your talking about are a myth. Ecb pays salary In full regardless of whether a player plays 1 match or 50 matches. Just like the ipl does. Ipl delusions have gone to a new level with this claim
Do you have a source to the contrary stating that the ECB doesn't deduct player salaries and pays in full even if the player is at the IPL? Genuinely curious.
Ok let's go with the fact they do have to quarantine, how the hell did you come up with the figure of £125k deduction
Woakes is on a test and limited overs central contract with a retainer fee of £870,000. The IPL is 52 days. 870,000 * (52/365) = £123,945
There's no newer source because the deductions your talking about are a myth. Ecb pays salary In full regardless of whether a player plays 1 match or 50 matches. Just like the ipl does. Ipl delusions have gone to a new level with this claim
Again, please feel free to provide a source that negates what has been reported on by a range of online news publications.
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This topics been discussed plenty of times before on sky tLksport etc, plenty of articles from the likes of Geoff boycott and Michael Vaughan now calling for deductions to salaries which more than likely means it does not happen.
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https://www.republicworld.com/sport...sing-ipl-over-country-should-be-punished.html
Why would Geoffrey boycott call for deduction if they are already taking place?
Plenty more articles covering the topic I'm on mobile at the moment so hard to link, but Google is your friend.
Why would Geoffrey boycott call for deduction if they are already taking place?
Plenty more articles covering the topic I'm on mobile at the moment so hard to link, but Google is your friend.
What Boycott actually said was: “If players want to go home for a break from England duty, dock their money. Better still don’t select them unless they can agree to be available for a whole series.” He was referring to players going for the full IPL but not being available for every England game during the winter, because he's ridiculously out of touch on mental health.
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If a player already gets docked wages for being at the ipl then what's the problem, why would he ask for more money to be docked, since Ashley Giles has come and Strauss before him they changed the way they look.at ipl like I said with sky new broadcast deal it's part of the England contract they get paid more if they are in ipl due to broadcasting image rights etc. Like.i said this topic has been discussed many a time before on sky cricket debate show.
We know he wont. He never does and when called out for his lies he disappears.
Because asking for players to be docked when they make themselves unavailable for England is completely different to players being docked when they're away at the IPL.
Strauss was the one who made the 1/365th for every day at the IPL deal.
Could you provide a direct source for this?
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I will have to fish it out I saw it on tv so will need to find a written source, in the meantime I will leave you with the below.
https://www.republicworld.com/sport...at-kohli-in-dream11-ipl-and-intl-cricket.html
Judging by your calculations he would be making a loss playing ipl
Please tag me when you find it.
https://www.republicworld.com/sport...at-kohli-in-dream11-ipl-and-intl-cricket.html
Judging by your calculations he would be making a loss playing ipl
Why? Stokes has the same central contract value as Woakes therefore would be docked the same amount, but has a significantly larger IPL salary.
Off the top of my head the only other English player who probably doesn't financially benefit much from the IPL was Liam Livingstone. He's not centrally contracted but would have to pay back about 43% of his county contract to Lancashire for participating. Given his IPL contracts only about £70k he probably loses a significant amount of that. Unsurprising that he left just as it was announced he would have to quarantine for an extra 10 days at his own cost if he didn't leave then.
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?
Whether it’s NYTimes, WSJ, Washington Post, Guardian, Financial times, Time Magaize... you name it. Every credible publication is saying this.
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?
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Our models say so govt covering up? Underreporting - yes completely believable. But deliberate underreporting, saying systemic coverup, hiding, massacre of data is a wild and arrogant allegation. These people sitting in their ivory towers in the west and full of themselves and try to see and paint third world countries through their own lens when they have zero clue how the country works or they simply want to run an agenda.
The west tries to fit their own template on us which is not relevant. Watch this nice spiritual explanation:
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Maybe if you BJP acolytes hadn't ignored opinions then you wouldn't be begging for oxygen supplies now. Sad to see a once proud nation brought to its knees by petty nationalism.
Whether it’s NYTimes, WSJ, Washington Post, Guardian, Financial times, Time Magaize... you name it. Every credible publication is saying this.
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I was once interviewed by a correspondent reporter in San Diego in 2007 during wild fires to report on the ground situation. All me and my colleague told the reporter was that we are doing great and no problems whatsoever. Next day, I see my picture in the newspaper with quotes attributed to me that we were devastated by the wild fires struggling to survive running for life. She even changed my profession painting me as a plant worker.
Thats how the western media works. Pure agenda & TRP driven.
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Time Magazine, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ are all untrustworthy sources to substantiate the sad situation of India undercounting deaths by multiple folds? Bhai what source do you want then.
What should be the source? Republic TV?
When these guys quote expert sitting outside India on data about India. Quote a cremation ground worker on cause of death then i have no reason to believe them.
There may be underreporting of deaths, but 20k per day?
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We have thread in TPS to discuss this
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?300891-Is-India-under-reporting-COVID-19-deaths
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So looking at the tweet, Warner refuses to travel to SA due to the virus, but is happy to dress up as an extra from outbreak to travel to Delhi?
The things you do for money.
As it has been mentioned, India, and IPL's image have taken a brutal battering of late at the hands of the Western media. I am talking about broadsheets here, not tabloids.
As the saying goes, a stich in time saves nine.
The things you do for money.
As it has been mentioned, India, and IPL's image have taken a brutal battering of late at the hands of the Western media. I am talking about broadsheets here, not tabloids.
As the saying goes, a stich in time saves nine.
I now see the trap that the pro-establishment Indians have lured me into, and I’m not going to fall for it.
I have produced seven citations from reputable newspapers in six different countries.
They have cited a total of eleven different cities and states in India in which under-reporting is at a minimum level of 50% (1 article said “two to five times underreported) and in most cases is at levels over 90%.
It’s clear what you are trying to do, but I have no interest in playing “Myanmar General News Discrediting Strategy” with you.
1. Report grossly minimised “official” death numbers.
2. Challenge people who don’t accept the doctored figures to cite their own numbers.
3. Decry their numbers as “unofficial”.
4. Claim that their sources are:
a) Imperialist westerners.
b) Leftists with an agenda
c) Speculative and unproven.
5. Present it as a dispute with two equally plausible sides.
Using your strategy six million Jews did not die in the Holocaust. Stalin barely killed anyone.
But remember this. The USA has a quarter of India’s population. Its peak was 4,000 deaths per day, and it didn’t have patients unable to be admitted to hospital, or sharing beds, or running out of oxygen.
For the record, based upon those facts plus the multiple sources in multiple Indian cities that I provided, I think that around six days ago the daily death count probably surpassed 20,000 per day in India.
And I suspect that it is now at least 50,000 per day currently, and that I am erring on the side of caution with such a low figure, given the evidence in terms of funeral pyres and obituaries for the middle class victims.
And this is a cricket thread! How can we be in the monstrous situation in which anyone is seriously contemplating playing sport amidst this? You might as well play the next round of the IPL in Yangon in front of the Burmese generals!
So, still nothing on the 20k (or anything close) you cited earlier? We are to now believe your models and projections based on US data. great.
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"It's just the craziness of what's going on outside of it, we get incredibly well sheltered from, that's a bit harrowing.
"You can drive through the streets and not see any of it but then you look on the news and you see what's happening and it's just stark in comparison to what they are actually saying."
Quote from Andrew Tye which says it all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/56898733
"You can drive through the streets and not see any of it but then you look on the news and you see what's happening and it's just stark in comparison to what they are actually saying."
Quote from Andrew Tye which says it all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/56898733
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"But we are going from a really tight bubble and are getting vaccinated next week so hopefully the government will let us get home on a private charter.
quote above is from Chris lynn.
"Despite its domestic capacity, fewer than 10% of the 1.4 billion population has been vaccinated, and questions are being asked about why for every two doses India has administered at home, one has been exported abroad."
This quote from Sky news.
Are these cricketers jumping the queue?
quote above is from Chris lynn.
"Despite its domestic capacity, fewer than 10% of the 1.4 billion population has been vaccinated, and questions are being asked about why for every two doses India has administered at home, one has been exported abroad."
This quote from Sky news.
Are these cricketers jumping the queue?
