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Should Mohammad Rizwan still be in the squad after his preformance in the Champions One-Day Cup 2024

It's obvious in modern cricket, anchors don't work anymore.

The innings Rizwan just played was atrocious. His numbers with Babar on Powerplays as well as tournament shower them with severe criticism.

This series MUST mark the end of Riz-Bar as T20I cricketers.
 
No. We need to utilise the talents of Ifti, Asif, Azam, Sharjeel, Khushil, Haider; so many players cant get a game because of him. Its laughable.
 
While it is ok to criticize Rizwan for a bad inning, there are 10 other players who were supposed to be contributing. None other than Saim did that.
I am pretty sure if it was not for Rizwan, any other player from Pakistan playing instead of him, Pakistan innings would have folded with a 60 run or more defecit.
It was brilliance of Miller that changed the game. Linde also played a role.
So I would expect fans to start living with the reality that Pakistan doesn't have the firepower to win high scoring games except on a rare occasion. You may blame your players but that would not change things.
 
Dantheone said:
While it is ok to criticize Rizwan for a bad inning, there are 10 other players who were supposed to be contributing. None other than Saim did that.
I am pretty sure if it was not for Rizwan, any other player from Pakistan playing instead of him, Pakistan innings would have folded with a 60 run or more defecit.
It was brilliance of Miller that changed the game. Linde also played a role.
So I would expect fans to start living with the reality that Pakistan doesn't have the firepower to win high scoring games except on a rare occasion. You may blame your players but that would not change things.
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This

We lost 4 wickets in one over

But Rizwan is the problem according to some clown posters
 
Every time Babar and Rizwan open, they will be the clear problem.

Every time Babar or Rizwan opens, they will be the problem

Every time both Babar and Rizwan bat in the top 3, they will be the problem.



Every time the team is unbalanced to suit these two players in the top 2-3, the problem will ALWAYS be them.
 
Rana said:
Every time Babar and Rizwan open, they will be the clear problem.

Every time Babar or Rizwan opens, they will be the problem

Every time both Babar and Rizwan bat in the top 3, they will be the problem.



Every time the team is unbalanced to suit these two players in the top 2-3, the problem will ALWAYS be them.
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@emranabbas @TheSultan @Rana

2018 team vs 2024 team

Overall our 2018 batting lineup was

1) Babar Avg 62 with 126 sr in 2018
2) Fakhar Zaman Avg 33 with 149 Sr in 2018
3) Hafeez Avg 50 with sr 134
4) Malik Avg 41 with 164 sr
5) Sarfi 32 avg 145 SR
6) Asif 26 Avg 138 sr
7) imad 18 Avg 163 SR

^^ Besides babar none of the other batters have a strike rate below 130 In 2018 which when we were no 1 ranked on whitewashing NZ, And going unbeaten in aus and zimb tri series followed by other wins aganst sri lanka and more.

Another thing to note, Fakhar avg at opening in 2018 is 33 with 149 sr. That's close to Travis head which is 33 and 160, his highest score of 91 of 46 comes from this period againat full strength Aus.

Now flashforward to today our 2024 t20 team that played this year and world cup

1) Babar Azam (33 avg, 132 SR)
2) Rizwan (43 avg, 118 SR)
3) Saim Ayub (17 Avg, 135 SR)
4) Usman Khan ( 16 avg, 124 SR)
5) Tayyab Tahir ( 39 Avg, 136 SR)
6) Irfan Khan Niazi( 41 avg, 132 SR)

Other notable players

1) Salman Ali Agha (10 avg, 79 SR, our vc everybody)

2) Chacha ( 15 avg, 115 SR)

3) Shabzada Farhan ( 7 avg, 104 SR)

^^ Not a single 140 sr batter in 2024 team and multiple 120 abg batters and in chacha, Agha, Rizzu and farhan case, 70 to 120 lol.

whereas in 2018 multiple 140 sr batters were present. Infact the lowest was bobby at 126 sr.

shows the insane gap in quality between 2018 and 2024.
 
mominsaigol said:
@emranabbas @TheSultan @Rana

2018 team vs 2024 team

Overall our 2018 batting lineup was

1) Babar Avg 62 with 126 sr in 2018
2) Fakhar Zaman Avg 33 with 149 Sr in 2018
3) Hafeez Avg 50 with sr 134
4) Malik Avg 41 with 164 sr
5) Sarfi 32 avg 145 SR
6) Asif 26 Avg 138 sr
7) imad 18 Avg 163 SR

^^ Besides babar none of the other batters have a strike rate below 130 In 2018 which when we were no 1 ranked on whitewashing NZ, And going unbeaten in aus and zimb tri series followed by other wins aganst sri lanka and more.

Another thing to note, Fakhar avg at opening in 2018 is 33 with 149 sr. That's close to Travis head which is 33 and 160, his highest score of 91 of 46 comes from this period againat full strength Aus.

Now flashforward to today our 2024 t20 team that played this year and world cup

1) Babar Azam (33 avg, 132 SR)
2) Rizwan (43 avg, 118 SR)
3) Saim Ayub (17 Avg, 135 SR)
4) Usman Khan ( 16 avg, 124 SR)
5) Tayyab Tahir ( 39 Avg, 136 SR)
6) Irfan Khan Niazi( 41 avg, 132 SR)

Other notable players

1) Salman Ali Agha (10 avg, 79 SR, our vc everybody)

2) Chacha ( 15 avg, 115 SR)

3) Shabzada Farhan ( 7 avg, 104 SR)

^^ Not a single 140 sr batter in 2024 team and multiple 120 abg batters and in chacha, Agha, Rizzu and farhan case, 70 to 120 lol.

whereas in 2018 multiple 140 sr batters were present. Infact the lowest was bobby at 126 sr.

shows the insane gap in quality between 2018 and 2024.
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@Rana sorry i forgot to mention Rizwan 2018 avg, 17 avg, 84 SR in the tri series 🤣🤣.

Its a good thing they kicked him out after. Absolutely Botched no 4 smh.
 
Ramiz Raja, during the pre-match conversation with the broadcasters, shared his opinion on Mohammad Rizwan's innings in the 1st T20I against South Africa:

"It was a little careful innings from Rizwan. I don't blame him because, you see, once Babar Azam got out, he had to drop anchor. Things were moving smoothly when Saim Ayub was partnering with him because he needed somebody like Saim who could hit the ball for four and six. But once he was out, scoring 31, I think Rizwan felt that the onus was now on him to make sure he took the game right till the end. So, I don't blame Rizwan because he's got limited capacity, or a limiting tank, when it comes to talent."
 
FearlessRoar said:
Ramiz Raja, during the pre-match conversation with the broadcasters, shared his opinion on Mohammad Rizwan's innings in the 1st T20I against South Africa:

"It was a little careful innings from Rizwan. I don't blame him because, you see, once Babar Azam got out, he had to drop anchor. Things were moving smoothly when Saim Ayub was partnering with him because he needed somebody like Saim who could hit the ball for four and six. But once he was out, scoring 31, I think Rizwan felt that the onus was now on him to make sure he took the game right till the end. So, I don't blame Rizwan because he's got limited capacity, or a limiting tank, when it comes to talent."
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The word "anchor" has no role in T20. Anchor means you have a lot of dot balls with no consequence. But lot of dot balls in T20 will have consequences.

Definition of anchor as per google

In cricket, an anchor is a batter who plays for a long time, scoring at a moderate rate while avoiding risky shots. They provide a solid defense to minimize damage, allowing other batters to take charge.
 
Pakistan sacked Shaheen when he lost 4 out of 5 games

Rizwan has effectively lost 5 out of 5 games as captain. The coward sat out to avoid a whitewash against Australia

Will Pakistan do justice here?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Rizwan had a short purple patch which lasted less than a year.

Against Top 10 sides since Oct 26, 2021,

Rizwan has a very mediocre strike rate of 121.

Even that is skewed by his strike rate at home which is 140 +
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I said the same thing lol earlier.
 
Bakwass captaincy. He is going down Babars route . One day he opens with Bobby next day he changes back to Saim . Clearly he has no secure plan . Giving last over to sufiyan destroying all his confidence.
 
Looks like another stunt is on the cards. Rizwan will drop himself from the team for the 3rd T20I.
 
Rizwan should not just drop himself for the last game, he should just rest himself for all the upcoming games in t20 format. He is going nowhere atm. Pathetic batting from him.
 
Rizwan literally had one good year and that's it. Which was 2021.

From 2015-2020 he was a rubbish player and from 2022 ro 2024 he was a rubbish player in t20

And his purple patch in 2021 isn't that good. He was still a medicore test and odi batter but his t20 form was decent enough.

When it comes to odi, He had a purple patch in 2023 as from 2015 to 2022 he was a rubbish odi bat but he had his best odi performances in 2023, However he quickly reverted to rubbish in 2024.

Basically T20 Purple patch: 2021
Odi purple patch: 2023.

Even then people look at things from a narrow lens, His purple patch wasnt all that great. Its just a few 70 scores in t20 against c side attacks in 2021 followed by one good performance against India.

And in 2023 it was a just one good asia cup performance against sri lanka followed by one good wc performance against sri lanka.

Otherwise I'm surprised how people couldn't tell that an ugly limited batter isn't atg material.

For Babar and saim i can understand the support as their techincally solid batters.

Same people who make fun of Usman khan for technique, are overlooking rizwan 🤣🤣🤣
 
Also about rizzu being pakistan's best wicket keeper batter ever.

Here's the thing, I agree, it's not that I don't. In terms of stats, numbers etc etc he's up their.

Problem is Pakistani fans should be ashamed of quoting such rubbish metrics.

Its the equivalent of saying shakib ul hasan is Bangladesh best ever test allrounder knowing full well that the cupboard for Bangladesh is dry and bare?

Traditional keepers from Pakistan were not batters, They were Traditional keepers only. Wasim bari, moin Khan, rashid latif were keepers who played at no 6, to 7.

Kamran akmal similarly was a pinch hitter at the top of the order and even he was made to bat at 7 in misbah era.

Sarfi was also a no 7 batter for 90% of his career with only a few short stints at opening, no 4 and no 5.

Problem is you have rizwan hiding behind the wicket keeping clause because he bats as a full fledged t20 opener and odi no 4 batsmen.

His competition is no longer keepers. It's openers and middle order batters.

And sorry to say this but saud shakeel and falhar zaman are better batters then he is, plain and simple.
 
He's already 32

So far his stats include

40 test avg, with only 3 centuries
41 Odi avg with only 3 centuries
47 t20 avg with 125 sr with only 1 century

he'll turn 33 this year and he's already produced medicore numbers. This is the sane era where frauds like shai hope avg 49-50 with 17 odi centuries lol.

My guess is he'll end his career with a below 40 avg in both test and odi and around 5 to 6 test and odi centuries.

probs at 37 to 38 avg in test and odi. Also he's the only all format cricketer on the planet to have a higher t20 avg then odi and test avg 🤣🤣
 
mominsaigol said:
This is the sane era where frauds like shai hope avg 49-50 with 17 odi centuries lol.
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i didn’t know that poor Shai Hope is also on your fraud list.

Please would you mind sharing the complete list so that I can update my records accordingly.
 
Rana said:
But how can he be trusted with a shot like that?
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I'm happy for Shan, being a business owner I know one can get under so much stress and anxiety when things are not working, though Pakistan will lose this Test but Shan will have some personal satisfaction.

Also it's a fact Shan has failed as Test skipper for Pakistan
 
Rana said:
It’s also a fact that Rizwan has driven Pakistan to overall failure
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Rizwan won series down under & in rainbow 🌈 nation ,which will not be possible in next 20 yrs again learn to respect the heroes
 
Kianig89 said:
Rizwan won series down under & in rainbow 🌈 nation ,which will not be possible in next 20 yrs again learn to respect the heroes
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Misbah did many things of note too.

He is still the biggest wasteman in the history of Pakistan white ball cricket, and his influence on the game.

Learn to understand who your enemies are from within.
 
Rana said:
Misbah did many things of note too.

He is still the biggest wasteman in the history of Pakistan white ball cricket, and his influence on the game.

Learn to understand who your enemies are from within.
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No alternative for Rizwan atm

Azam Rohail Haseebullah Usman all not up to , fortunately/unfortunately Riz will play till 2027
 
gazza619 said:
i didn’t know that poor Shai Hope is also on your fraud list.

Please would you mind sharing the complete list so that I can update my records accordingly.
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Here is my fraud list. Basically anyone with fake narratives peddled around them

Pakistan

1) Misbah ul Haq
2) Rizwan
3) Babar Azam (In test + t20, Overrated by fans in odi but as a player he ain't a fraud)
4) Imam ul Haq (Better player then Abdullah but is a stat padding fraud)
5) Salman Butt (Bang avg but capitalised on feasting on a rubbish Indian bowling attack)
6) chacha and Shadab (Their on here because before they got exposed people actually thought these 2 were good allrounders lol, glad to see the dust settled now)
7) 2nd biggest fraud in psl Usama Mir (2nd Biggest fraud in PSL after rizzu)
8) Khalid Latif (While I loved his and sharjeel's 2016 performance, it was a one off. Sharjeel was talented no doubt but latif had a one hit wonder that day, Had these 2 not been banned, Fakhar would have replaced latif and sharjeel + Fakhar would have been our t20 openers)
9) Asad Shafiq (Decent in tests, but Overrated nonetheless, God awful parchi in odi)
10) Abdullah technique
11) Ahmed Shehzad (What was the need for the kohli comparions?)
12) Shan and Azam Khan.

^^ I can go on and on

India

1) Ashwin and Jadeja (Good spinners but not atg like indians claim, Mostly HTB's)
2) Shubman Gill
3) KL Rahul
4) Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli (in tests, Their good in whiteball)
5) VVS Laxman
6) Dhoni (In test and t20, not in odi)
7) Anil Kumble (Another HTB)
8) Azhar (not only is he a fixer, but I'm tired of Indians acting like he was a good batter. He was rubbish)
9) Siraj (rubbish bowler post purple patch, rubbish attitude as well)
10) Ishant sharma (another rubbish)

^^ Same here is can go on and on.

The truth about PK and Indian cricket is that both countries have only produced 2 to 5 legendary batters, Pacers, spinners and allrounders.

Everyone else is a total fraud marketed as the next big thing.

The only outlier is maybe afridi? Since while he's a bang avg player, his longetivity ensured that Pakistan won many games from impossible situations thanks to him so for that he's excluded from the list. Besides, after his retirement Pakistan hasnt found a better no 7. Our current no 7 is niazi and before him it was shadab 🤣🤣.
 
mominsaigol said:
Here is my fraud list. Basically anyone with fake narratives peddled around them

Pakistan

1) Misbah ul Haq
2) Rizwan
3) Babar Azam (In test + t20, Overrated by fans in odi but as a player he ain't a fraud)
4) Imam ul Haq (Better player then Abdullah but is a stat padding fraud)
5) Salman Butt (Bang avg but capitalised on feasting on a rubbish Indian bowling attack)
6) chacha and Shadab (Their on here because before they got exposed people actually thought these 2 were good allrounders lol, glad to see the dust settled now)
7) 2nd biggest fraud in psl Usama Mir (2nd Biggest fraud in PSL after rizzu)
8) Khalid Latif (While I loved his and sharjeel's 2016 performance, it was a one off. Sharjeel was talented no doubt but latif had a one hit wonder that day, Had these 2 not been banned, Fakhar would have replaced latif and sharjeel + Fakhar would have been our t20 openers)
9) Asad Shafiq (Decent in tests, but Overrated nonetheless, God awful parchi in odi)
10) Abdullah technique
11) Ahmed Shehzad (What was the need for the kohli comparions?)
12) Shan and Azam Khan.

^^ I can go on and on

India

1) Ashwin and Jadeja (Good spinners but not atg like indians claim, Mostly HTB's)
2) Shubman Gill
3) KL Rahul
4) Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli (in tests, Their good in whiteball)
5) VVS Laxman
6) Dhoni (In test and t20, not in odi)
7) Anil Kumble (Another HTB)
8) Azhar (not only is he a fixer, but I'm tired of Indians acting like he was a good batter. He was rubbish)
9) Siraj (rubbish bowler post purple patch, rubbish attitude as well)
10) Ishant sharma (another rubbish)

^^ Same here is can go on and on.

The truth about PK and Indian cricket is that both countries have only produced 2 to 5 legendary batters, Pacers, spinners and allrounders.

Everyone else is a total fraud marketed as the next big thing.

The only outlier is maybe afridi? Since while he's a bang avg player, his longetivity ensured that Pakistan won many games from impossible situations thanks to him so for that he's excluded from the list. Besides, after his retirement Pakistan hasnt found a better no 7. Our current no 7 is niazi and before him it was shadab 🤣🤣.
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You have included some very good players in that list. :ifticool

I think in the modern era it is confusing sometimes to judge a player due to 3 formats of the game.

Can you think of any Aussie cricketer who was a fraud?
 
mominsaigol said:
Here is my fraud list. Basically anyone with fake narratives peddled around them

Pakistan

1) Misbah ul Haq
2) Rizwan
3) Babar Azam (In test + t20, Overrated by fans in odi but as a player he ain't a fraud)
4) Imam ul Haq (Better player then Abdullah but is a stat padding fraud)
5) Salman Butt (Bang avg but capitalised on feasting on a rubbish Indian bowling attack)
6) chacha and Shadab (Their on here because before they got exposed people actually thought these 2 were good allrounders lol, glad to see the dust settled now)
7) 2nd biggest fraud in psl Usama Mir (2nd Biggest fraud in PSL after rizzu)
8) Khalid Latif (While I loved his and sharjeel's 2016 performance, it was a one off. Sharjeel was talented no doubt but latif had a one hit wonder that day, Had these 2 not been banned, Fakhar would have replaced latif and sharjeel + Fakhar would have been our t20 openers)
9) Asad Shafiq (Decent in tests, but Overrated nonetheless, God awful parchi in odi)
10) Abdullah technique
11) Ahmed Shehzad (What was the need for the kohli comparions?)
12) Shan and Azam Khan.

^^ I can go on and on

India

1) Ashwin and Jadeja (Good spinners but not atg like indians claim, Mostly HTB's)
2) Shubman Gill
3) KL Rahul
4) Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli (in tests, Their good in whiteball)
5) VVS Laxman
6) Dhoni (In test and t20, not in odi)
7) Anil Kumble (Another HTB)
8) Azhar (not only is he a fixer, but I'm tired of Indians acting like he was a good batter. He was rubbish)
9) Siraj (rubbish bowler post purple patch, rubbish attitude as well)
10) Ishant sharma (another rubbish)

^^ Same here is can go on and on.

The truth about PK and Indian cricket is that both countries have only produced 2 to 5 legendary batters, Pacers, spinners and allrounders.

Everyone else is a total fraud marketed as the next big thing.

The only outlier is maybe afridi? Since while he's a bang avg player, his longetivity ensured that Pakistan won many games from impossible situations thanks to him so for that he's excluded from the list. Besides, after his retirement Pakistan hasnt found a better no 7. Our current no 7 is niazi and before him it was shadab 🤣🤣.
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As per heavy request, I see Misbah but no explanation.. I also need someone explanation of Azhar ali
 
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gazza619 said:
You have included some very good players in that list. :ifticool

I think in the modern era it is confusing sometimes to judge a player due to 3 formats of the game.

Can you think of any Aussie cricketer who was a fraud?
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The difference between pak/indian players and aussie players is that aussie fans don't peddle a false narrative around their own players.

90% of Aussie fans identified Mcgurk and short as a hack early on and even identified Mcsweeney as medicore.

It's why they switched to sam konstas and their still looking.

However if someone like Nathan Mcsweeny existed in Pakistan and assuming he was connected to someone, He'd probs get a 100 games without ever having to worry about being dropped.

I can't think of any aussie player who's gotten a free ride in the team after 25 to 50 games of rubbish performances.

Sure free riders have existed in Australia no doubt, But they get dropped quickly. Heck Australia dropped mitch Marsh for being rubbish in tests?

But in Pakistan Had mitch marsh played tests for PK, We both know he would never be dropped.
 
Mohraheem said:
As per heavy request, I see Misbah but no explanation.. I also need someone explanation of Azhar ali
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What explanation do you want for Misbah? All topics related to him have been done to death? Theirs literally a misbah vs inzi meme thread lol.

As for azhar. Azharruddin from india is not azhar ali for pk 🤣🤣
 
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