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Should Naseem Shah play Test cricket?

Lets not get bogged down in other's negative mindsets - its time to recognize and celebrate the talent of Naseem

I don’t think it’s negative to remember that this is the most rookie attack we’ve ever had. SSA has only played about 6 tests and NS only 4. (Abbass not even 20). They are carrying the attack but not yet out of their teens the body is still developing. The workload on these young bodies is immense.

Plus There is no back up so to speak. Musa and Hasnain are not even in the same league. It doesn’t matter that tests are spaced out a fair bit and there is time to recover. Given the fact that psl and other cricket plus training is happening this is an enormous workload on a young body. I see no reason why NS can’t be rested and rotated until a couple of years when he will be stringer and more seasoned through LOI. But I guess coaches know best.
 
Special for him but not for the fans. Team is bigger than individual success, and it’s hard to be excited when the team is mediocre.

Completely wrong.
You can always support a player even if the team in witch he plays is not that good.
 
He’s still raw so one should not look too much into this hat-trick.
 
I meant again. Besides, things were different back then. That team was overrated but this team is talentless besides Babar and Shaheen, and now they are coached by Misbah and Waqar. Nothing can go right I’m afraid.
Naseem Shah is talentless?
 
Exactly, that’s why. Playing in UAE benefited us in Test cricket. Non-Asian teams are far more likely to beat us in Pakistan than UAE because Pakistani pitches have more spice.

Playing in UAE has hidden a lot of deficiencies which will be exposed once we fully return to Pakistan.

Pakistan is what I am making them out to be - a mid-table side that will not be a top side again, or at least go another 20-30 years. That maybe good enough for you but not for me.

I'm no fan of Ramiz Raja as a commentator but he was right when he mentioned this as well. The deficiencies of Pakistan's batsmen against pace during the 2010s was negated by the grave yard wickets of the UAE.
 
I guess that is why we are around a mid tier team as rankings shows. Though I think Babar, Shaheen and Naseem have enough skills to start performing against top tier teams as well with time if they remain fit, keep on playing and developing.

Exactly! SA, NS, and Babar are top talents. While Babar is already a world class player, the other two can and will develop into world class players. Along with Asad Shafiq, these three can play well against any top team in any condition.
 
Yes. And he should only play tests for now. He can start playing ODIs from next year. Keep him away from T20s at all costs. If I had the control, I wouldn't even let him play PSL, just compensate him instead. Ideally after that he should go play some county cricket.
 
Yes. And he should only play tests for now. He can start playing ODIs from next year. Keep him away from T20s at all costs. If I had the control, I wouldn't even let him play PSL, just compensate him instead. Ideally after that he should go play some county cricket.
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One added benefit of playing in Pakistan is that trundlers are pushed out of the system. You cannot survive without pace in Pakistan, secondly spinners like Yasir Shah will be thrown out as well, you need a spinner who can spin to survive.

Other major benefit is that Pakistani pitches and grounds will be maintained to some international standard, which will be big help to domestic...
 
One added benefit of playing in Pakistan is that trundlers are pushed out of the system. You cannot survive without pace in Pakistan, secondly spinners like Yasir Shah will be thrown out as well, you need a spinner who can spin to survive.

Other major benefit is that Pakistani pitches and grounds will be maintained to some international standard, which will be big help to domestic...

These are genuine benefits indeed, but teams like Australia and England etc. will also be much tougher to beat in Pakistan than in the UAE.

Cricket is definitely more watchable in Pakistan.
 

Especially because T20 cricket won't be Naseem's strong point anyways. He is an out and out fast bowler, with the ability to swing and seam the ball, he doesn't have gimmicky slower balls and cutters.

We have good enough stocks for the WT20 this, and next year. Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Hasan, Amir are plenty good enough for T20 cricket.
 
Naseem Shah is talentless?

I don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.

I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.

Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.
 
Our players do well against a weak team, our fans get hyper -> then the same player gets exposed against a top team -> the same fans sit down for a bit because of the reality check -> our players do well against a weak team -> our fans get hyper and forget the reality check.

The cycle continues...

We saw Naseem against Australia, and he looked completely out of place at that level. This is a weak Bangladesh side especially because of the absence of its two best batsmen.

If Naseem can perform against England and New Zealand this year, then people will have the right to do get excited and hyper.

As far as my view is concerned, nothing has changed yet. I personally still consider Shaheen to be the only world class bowling prospect on our books.

Must have hurt your big times seeing Naseem Shah get a hatrick.

It's not exactly a bowling pitch. If getting a hatrick is easy I wonder why so many great bowlers struggle even when bowling against weak oppositions and tailenders.
It's a big achievement for a very young player and must be appreciated but you cannot digest any praise for Pakistan or its player. You aba hater my friend and you pity me. Wonder why you live in a country which you hate so much.
 
Pakistani bowlers are always handful with duke balls.

Thats my point.

Pakistan should not even waste the new ball with Abbas on the tour. Just let Naseem and Shaheen share the new ball at watch the magic. Naseem bowling full and straight against Dom Sibley etc is going to be a mouthwatering contest.
 
I don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.

I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.

Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.

Being the same age and not having the same development doesn't mean he is talentless.

The number of games played and exposure is very important at a young age.
Naseem, for a young bowler has so many things going for himself.
Whatever and whoever the team he is playing against, a test hat trick is special. And you are jealous of it.
 
Especially because T20 cricket won't be Naseem's strong point anyways. He is an out and out fast bowler, with the ability to swing and seam the ball, he doesn't have gimmicky slower balls and cutters.

We have good enough stocks for the WT20 this, and next year. Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Hasan, Amir are plenty good enough for T20 cricket.
Yea I agree, let’s just hope Misbah keeps out the rubbish like Imran, Wahab, Musa, etc.
 
Archer and Naseem will probably bowl the same lengths this summer at the same speed, if both are fit.

It will be interesting to see who will do better.
I personally think Archer is overrated as a bowler especially in the test format.
 
Archer and Naseem will probably bowl the same lengths this summer at the same speed, if both are fit.

It will be interesting to see who will do better.
I personally think Archer is overrated as a bowler especially in the test format.
Archer would struggle to play for Pakistan in any format. Even Naseem is a better bowler overall in Tests.
 
Archer would struggle to play for Pakistan in any format. Even Naseem is a better bowler overall in Tests.

Of course he will. He cannot hope to get selected ahead of Musa, Imran junior, Wahab, Junaid, Shinwari etc.

All of them are better with greater potential.
 
Archer and Naseem will probably bowl the same lengths this summer at the same speed, if both are fit.

It will be interesting to see who will do better.
I personally think Archer is overrated as a bowler especially in the test format.

Archer is way taller. They are not going to bowl the same lengths. He gets extra lift which is very dangerous.

Naseem needs to improve his skill to compensate for his lack of height, or else he will go the Hasan Ali away.
 
Just a question, how tall is Naseem actually. I haven't been able to catch this test. Last time I saw a pic of him with Hasnain and co he looked 4 inches shorter than Hasnain. But that was 2 years ago so hopefully he has grown an inch or 2.

Don't want him to end up like Hasan ali, bhatti, or other short bowlers. Because short bowlers rarely last long.
 
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Just a question, how tall is Naseem actually. I haven't been able to catch this test. Last time I saw a pic of him with Hasnain and co he looked 4 inches shorter than Hasnain. But that was 2 years ago so hopefully he has grown an inch or 2.

At the moment he seems to be around 5 ft 10 inches. Definitely not 6.
 
Archer is way taller. They are not going to bowl the same lengths. He gets extra lift which is very dangerous.

Naseem needs to improve his skill to compensate for his lack of height, or else he will go the Hasan Ali away.

Pakistan played him fairly well in the ODI series and World cup. Also you make it sound as if the guy is going to be running wild against us not knowing if he will be fit enough to play a full Test match. I would nto be surprised if ECB decide to rest him and keep him fresh for the T20 world cup.

I would be more worried about Stuart Broad who is a very experienced wicket taker in Test cricket and a well known break through bowler.
 
Pakistan played him fairly well in the ODI series and World cup. Also you make it sound as if the guy is going to be running wild against us not knowing if he will be fit enough to play a full Test match. I would nto be surprised if ECB decide to rest him and keep him fresh for the T20 world cup.

I would be more worried about Stuart Broad who is a very experienced wicket taker in Test cricket and a well known break through bowler.

Archer is injured and he will miss quite a bit of cricket from now until the summer. He will be fit and recharged come the West Indies and Pakistan Tests.

This is a unique summer for England in a long time where they can realistically win every Test, and considering their revived focus on Test cricket, it is safe to assume that they will play their full-strength team against West Indies and Pakistan.

Playing Archer in Tests would be a different challenge though. Apart from Babar, I don’t see our batsmen getting on top of his bowling. The likes of Azhar, Masood, Haris, Shafiq, and Rizwan are sitting ducks against anyone with a bit of quality and extra bounce.
 
Destined for greatness if he stays fit & humble & I believe he has all the tools to become one of the fastest bowlers ever
Shaheen
Naseem
Hasnain
In a few years these guys will average 150 kph wow can’t wait
then we have guys like Hassan who I rate highly for his work ethic & determination.. the future is bright
 
Archer is injured and he will miss quite a bit of cricket from now until the summer. He will be fit and recharged come the West Indies and Pakistan Tests.

This is a unique summer for England in a long time where they can realistically win every Test, and considering their revived focus on Test cricket, it is safe to assume that they will play their full-strength team against West Indies and Pakistan.

Playing Archer in Tests would be a different challenge though. Apart from Babar, I don’t see our batsmen getting on top of his bowling. The likes of Azhar, Masood, Haris, Shafiq, and Rizwan are sitting ducks against anyone with a bit of quality and extra bounce.

Shan Masood backs himself to tackle hostile short bowling. Azhar has a reputation in the English county circuit and he is no sitting duck. Archer can’t bowl 100 overs in the day, his main strength is short bowling with good pace, it’s very good but it’s not unplayable. Pakistan have played the likes of Starc very well in the past few years. Overall I feel England are not going to be stupid and lay out green seamers and nullify their batsman’s chances. Pakistan will fight hard, maybe not win but they are not as poor as India have been touring England
 
He was the best pacer in FC cricket this season. Naseem deserves a long run whether he does well or not before being sent back.
 
Lets hope he keeps fit.

Kick out Yasir and perhaps play a fourth seamer in Hasnain and we got a decent attack. Haris Sohail as a spinner is as good as the Bilal Asifs of this world and he can be our sole spinner. We need to take advantage of the pace battery that we have.
 
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I don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.

I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.

Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.
Shaheen has more int matches under his belt tho and in early 19 world cup he wasn't good so you know there is a reason they are not at the same level but Shaheen also had hieght which Naseem don't have so next 1-2 years will be crucial
 
Our players do well against a weak team, our fans get hyper -> then the same player gets exposed against a top team -> the same fans sit down for a bit because of the reality check -> our players do well against a weak team -> our fans get hyper and forget the reality check.

The cycle continues...

We saw Naseem against Australia, and he looked completely out of place at that level. This is a weak Bangladesh side especially because of the absence of its two best batsmen.

If Naseem can perform against England and New Zealand this year, then people will have the right to do get excited and hyper.

As far as my view is concerned, nothing has changed yet. I personally still consider Shaheen to be the only world class bowling prospect on our books.

Maybe you are forgetting Naseem lost his mother on his first tour ever that too in Australia.

Cut the kid some slack.
 
Archer is injured and he will miss quite a bit of cricket from now until the summer. He will be fit and recharged come the West Indies and Pakistan Tests.

This is a unique summer for England in a long time where they can realistically win every Test, and considering their revived focus on Test cricket, it is safe to assume that they will play their full-strength team against West Indies and Pakistan.

Playing Archer in Tests would be a different challenge though. Apart from Babar, I don’t see our batsmen getting on top of his bowling. The likes of Azhar, Masood, Haris, Shafiq, and Rizwan are sitting ducks against anyone with a bit of quality and extra bounce.

ENG have been PAK's whipping boys.

Both at home and away. They can't win anything on our home or in the UAE. We fairly easily drew the series in ENG.

So, what are you talking about?

It will be even more tough for ENG this summer as PAK has a potent bowling unit.
 
I see Naseem as a far greater talent than Jofra Archer. The hype about archer is because he's English. The real contest of the summer will be Naseem vs Archer. 2 fresh tearaway fast bowlers.

That 2nd wicket in the hatrick reminded us of Waqar Younis or Shoaib Akhtar with those big hooping reverse swing yorkers they used to bowl on these dead pitches when nothing was going the bowlers way.
 
I want him to stop playing Test cricket. The kid does not have a long career due to his knack of picking up injuries. He should be an important servant of Pakistan but he really needs to be playing the shorter format only.
 
I don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.

I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.

Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.

He is not roughly the same age they were part of different U 19 setups with Shaheen a batch earlier also Shaheen started int cricket 18 months earlier at this age 18months difference in development is a lot.

Naseem is feb born while Shaheen is apr so either Naseem is 2 .months older which I am sure he is not or 10-22 months younger which makes him quite a bit younger to shaheen.
 
ENG have been PAK's whipping boys.

Both at home and away. They can't win anything on our home or in the UAE. We fairly easily drew the series in ENG.

So, what are you talking about?

It will be even more tough for ENG this summer as PAK has a potent bowling unit.

England will whitewash us this summer. You can bookmark this post.
 
Maybe you are forgetting Naseem lost his mother on his first tour ever that too in Australia.

Cut the kid some slack.

We don’t want to go in that territory and end up saying things we shouldn’t be saying.
 
I can’t believe there are still people who believe that he is 16. I mean Naseem himself has stated that he isn’t.

He is actually roughy the same age as Shaheen who is miles ahead of him in terms of development.

Where did he say that hes not 16 ?
Plz shed some light on this
 
Amazing talent and destined for bigger things, Inshallah. Will be a key component of our attack in Tests in England.
 
If they want him to play Tests, I would keep him away from too many T20Is or ODIs.

Player management has been poor in Pakistan and this kid is too good to waste.
 
I’m so excited to see him on his first tour to England.

But keep one thing in mind it is his first tour to England and he might find it difficult so we should give Naseem some time if he doesn’t perform as we expect from him...
 
If they want him to play Tests, I would keep him away from too many T20Is or ODIs.

Player management has been poor in Pakistan and this kid is too good to waste.

I don't think there's a need to play him in white ball cricket at all for the moment. Amir and Wahabs test retirements mean that they can pick up the slack in ODIs and T20s. I'd argue that Shaheen shouldn't play T20is either.

In fact, the following is how I would manage The bowling stocks:

Tests:
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

Hopefully we also see in the next 12 months:
Ehsan Adil
Arshad Iqbal
Akif Javed

ODIs:
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Amir
Usman Shinwari
Hassan Ali

Reserves being:
Musa Khan
Wahab Riaz
Naseem Shah, if absolutely needed

T20s:
Mohammad Amir
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Hassan Ali

Reserves:
Musa Khan
Dilber Hussain

That's 14 different fast bowlers not named Mohammad Irfan, Sohail Khan and Imran Khan, across three formats.

Pakistan are in an actual golden position to manage their bowlers sparingly, allowing them to go all out in their chosen format and thus extend their careers.

However, to do so requires strict monitoring of player workloads and strong man management (I.e communicating with players that they won't play every game, e.g. Shaheen Shah Afridi)

I hope this coaching staff puts some thought into this
 
I don't think there's a need to play him in white ball cricket at all for the moment. Amir and Wahabs test retirements mean that they can pick up the slack in ODIs and T20s. I'd argue that Shaheen shouldn't play T20is either.

In fact, the following is how I would manage The bowling stocks:

Tests:
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

Hopefully we also see in the next 12 months:
Ehsan Adil
Arshad Iqbal
Akif Javed

ODIs:
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Amir
Usman Shinwari
Hassan Ali

Reserves being:
Musa Khan
Wahab Riaz
Naseem Shah, if absolutely needed

T20s:
Mohammad Amir
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Hassan Ali

Reserves:
Musa Khan
Dilber Hussain

That's 14 different fast bowlers not named Mohammad Irfan, Sohail Khan and Imran Khan, across three formats.

Pakistan are in an actual golden position to manage their bowlers sparingly, allowing them to go all out in their chosen format and thus extend their careers.

However, to do so requires strict monitoring of player workloads and strong man management (I.e communicating with players that they won't play every game, e.g. Shaheen Shah Afridi)

I hope this coaching staff puts some thought into this

Tests
Abbas
Shaheen naseem
Sameen gull
Ehsan adil
Akif javed

Odis
Shaheen
Hassan ali
Shinwari
Musa khan

T20s
Naseem
Husnain
Rauf
Shaheen
Amir
Harris Rauf

I'd only play shaheen in all formats if it's a world cup or a big series for example england india austrlia new zealsnd and should be rested in odis and t20s when playing Bangladesh,south Africa,west indies ext

Naseem should only play tests and t20s if needed

Amir should only play t20s

No place for wahab
 
I’m so excited to see him on his first tour to England.

But keep one thing in mind it is his first tour to England and he might find it difficult so we should give Naseem some time if he doesn’t perform as we expect from him...

I expect him to perform it will swing abit and could be deadly
 
Naseem Shah looks a lot more filled out and less lean than before. What are they feeding him at such a young age? Down a bit on pace too.

Still, I think he will come into his own today - after yesterday's nerves have die down. Also when the ball starts reversing, his side on angle will come into play.

He should play the role of enforcer - go all out fast. Not worry about line and length.
 
Naseem Shah looks a lot more filled out and less lean than before. What are they feeding him at such a young age? Down a bit on pace too.

Still, I think he will come into his own today - after yesterday's nerves have die down. Also when the ball starts reversing, his side on angle will come into play.

He should play the role of enforcer - go all out fast. Not worry about line and length.

Lack of match practice and rhythm.

He will do good today, iA!
 
Naseem Shah looks a lot more filled out and less lean than before. What are they feeding him at such a young age? Down a bit on pace too.

Still, I think he will come into his own today - after yesterday's nerves have die down. Also when the ball starts reversing, his side on angle will come into play.

He should play the role of enforcer - go all out fast. Not worry about line and length.

I would say body more mature?
 
I would say body more mature?

At 17?

Or assuming he is older - at 19?

I am more with Michael Holding/Imran Khan etc who believe let the fast bowler bowl as much as possible, get your action right, eat right, do just enough exercise to strengthen the right areas. This body building stuff - unless I am mistaken for what it looks like - could take away from his potency.

Then again, it was just one spell on the first day. Let's wait and see.
 
At 17?

Or assuming he is older - at 19?

I am more with Michael Holding/Imran Khan etc who believe let the fast bowler bowl as much as possible, get your action right, eat right, do just enough exercise to strengthen the right areas. This body building stuff - unless I am mistaken for what it looks like - could take away from his potency.

Then again, it was just one spell on the first day. Let's wait and see.
He aint doing no bodybuilding dude.
He is in great shape as a fast bowler and has looked in way better rhythm than shaheen.
Wish we had [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] to teach some of these guys over here.
 
Needs to improve his accuracy.

he is very accurate.
He only needs to fix his straight approach into a more angular one so that he can targets the stumps a lot more.
Presently his, outswing happens from 4th stump which is a lot easier to leave. Given that he has a completely side-on action, his straight approach also means that he is unable to complete his action, which is why his bowling arm ends uo between his legs instead of on his left side.
 
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Needs to bowl closer to the stumps to threaten the right handers with his outswingers (natural swing) otherwise he will continue to pitch 5th stump which can be easily left by the batsmen.

He's still very raw.
 
Needs to bowl closer to the stumps to threaten the right handers with his outswingers (natural swing) otherwise he will continue to pitch 5th stump which can be easily left by the batsmen.

He's still very raw.

Finally someone made a sensible point.
But the next one isn't quite correct. He isn't raw. Just a slight adjustment is needed and he will become a big threat.
 
Needs to bowl closer to the stumps to threaten the right handers with his outswingers (natural swing) otherwise he will continue to pitch 5th stump which can be easily left by the batsmen.

He's still very raw.

Good post michael holding said the same thing
 
I hope waqar is having a word with naseem regarding getting close to the stumps
 
Mushtaq Ahmed on Naseem Shah’s workload:

[Are we not putting too much burden on Naseem by playing him in 3 back to back Tests?]

"No that is not the case; He did not bowl that many overs in the 1st Test and overall he does not have that many overs under his belt"

"To learn to play Test cricket, Naseem Shah has to play Test cricket"

"The more overs he bowls under difficult conditions, the faster he will become a Test bowler; He does have the talent but this is a big learning process for him; The experience he gained from today where there wasnt much in the pitch and the wind was gusting, he will use that in the future to serve Pakistan"

"A person learns from such tough days and this is the kind of experience Waqar Younis is sharing with him; So he was sharing information in every session to tell Naseem how to bowl, where to put in more effort, how to bowl to specific batsmen; The sooner he learns, the faster Pakistan's bowling attack will become stronger"
 
He hasn't done great but I think Pakistan should persist with him for a few more games. He is really young and needs to be backed.
 
"To learn to play Test cricket, Naseem Shah has to play Test cricket"

There lies the problem. Naseem Shah has about 30 wickets in domestic cricket and we are singing songs over his potential while he talks about how he loves to see fear in batsmen’s eyes.
 
Naseem and Afridi should be rotated smartly,
Pakistan wasted opportunity by letting go Junaid khan
Rauf should be given chance in test cricket , don't typecast people for certain formats,give yourself some chance to see his potential in this format and let Naseem take his time,he may not match your expectations ever but don't let him loose his way like others
 
Naseem and Afridi should be rotated smartly,
Pakistan wasted opportunity by letting go Junaid khan
Rauf should be given chance in test cricket , don't typecast people for certain formats,give yourself some chance to see his potential in this format and let Naseem take his time,he may not match your expectations ever but don't let him loose his way like others

Haris rauf barley played any fc game. One should atleast play 10 fc matches before being picked in the test team.

Mir Hamza should have been picked and replaced naseem
 
Which batsmen are showing fear against his lollipops?
 
4 decent balls and 2 poor ones almost every over.

He just hasn't got the ability yet to maintain control and build pressure.

Work in progress and perhaps needs more experience in domestic.
 
He didn't bowled well enough today but two drop catches count. He could have dismissed Williamson and Nichols if it wasn't for our poor fielding.
 
He looks regressed whenever I see him after sometime.

I dont think he'll get selected for SA tests unless he does something on this tour
 
What was the reason this kid was hyped? He doesn't have pace, height, swing, and accuracy. Sohail Khan should play 2nd test no matter what is the outcome of this match.
 
What was the reason this kid was hyped? He doesn't have pace, height, swing, and accuracy. Sohail Khan should play 2nd test no matter what is the outcome of this match.

Atleast he had pace when he started. All of a sudden he is bowling mid 130s from mid 140s. The margin for error shrinks massively with such a drop in pace
 
Was definitely lackluster. Likely too early for him to be playing international cricket. Maybe a few more seasons in domestic were needed. Having said that he did have his moments. Lacked consistency. Needed a bit of help from the fielders too which he didnt get.

Not sure he is the problem though. The two railu kattas in Faheem and Yasir basically freeloading in the team is astonishing to see. Nothing new here with Yasir.
 
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