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We were arguing about your so call claim of England demolishing Pak. Why avoid?
I gave you my answer already. Please wait till the summer.
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We were arguing about your so call claim of England demolishing Pak. Why avoid?
Lets not get bogged down in other's negative mindsets - its time to recognize and celebrate the talent of Naseem
I gave you my answer already. Please wait till the summer.
Special for him but not for the fans. Team is bigger than individual success, and it’s hard to be excited when the team is mediocre.
Naseem Shah is talentless?I meant again. Besides, things were different back then. That team was overrated but this team is talentless besides Babar and Shaheen, and now they are coached by Misbah and Waqar. Nothing can go right I’m afraid.
Exactly, that’s why. Playing in UAE benefited us in Test cricket. Non-Asian teams are far more likely to beat us in Pakistan than UAE because Pakistani pitches have more spice.
Playing in UAE has hidden a lot of deficiencies which will be exposed once we fully return to Pakistan.
Pakistan is what I am making them out to be - a mid-table side that will not be a top side again, or at least go another 20-30 years. That maybe good enough for you but not for me.
I guess that is why we are around a mid tier team as rankings shows. Though I think Babar, Shaheen and Naseem have enough skills to start performing against top tier teams as well with time if they remain fit, keep on playing and developing.
^Yes. And he should only play tests for now. He can start playing ODIs from next year. Keep him away from T20s at all costs. If I had the control, I wouldn't even let him play PSL, just compensate him instead. Ideally after that he should go play some county cricket.
One added benefit of playing in Pakistan is that trundlers are pushed out of the system. You cannot survive without pace in Pakistan, secondly spinners like Yasir Shah will be thrown out as well, you need a spinner who can spin to survive.
Other major benefit is that Pakistani pitches and grounds will be maintained to some international standard, which will be big help to domestic...
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Naseem Shah is talentless?
Our players do well against a weak team, our fans get hyper -> then the same player gets exposed against a top team -> the same fans sit down for a bit because of the reality check -> our players do well against a weak team -> our fans get hyper and forget the reality check.
The cycle continues...
We saw Naseem against Australia, and he looked completely out of place at that level. This is a weak Bangladesh side especially because of the absence of its two best batsmen.
If Naseem can perform against England and New Zealand this year, then people will have the right to do get excited and hyper.
As far as my view is concerned, nothing has changed yet. I personally still consider Shaheen to be the only world class bowling prospect on our books.
Pakistani bowlers are always handful with duke balls.
I don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.
I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.
Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.
Yea I agree, let’s just hope Misbah keeps out the rubbish like Imran, Wahab, Musa, etc.Especially because T20 cricket won't be Naseem's strong point anyways. He is an out and out fast bowler, with the ability to swing and seam the ball, he doesn't have gimmicky slower balls and cutters.
We have good enough stocks for the WT20 this, and next year. Shaheen, Hasnain, Rauf, Hasan, Amir are plenty good enough for T20 cricket.
Pakistani bowlers are always handful with duke balls.
We still get whitewashed this time.
Because of batsmen, our bowlers have always done well in England.
Archer would struggle to play for Pakistan in any format. Even Naseem is a better bowler overall in Tests.Archer and Naseem will probably bowl the same lengths this summer at the same speed, if both are fit.
It will be interesting to see who will do better.
I personally think Archer is overrated as a bowler especially in the test format.
Archer would struggle to play for Pakistan in any format. Even Naseem is a better bowler overall in Tests.
Archer and Naseem will probably bowl the same lengths this summer at the same speed, if both are fit.
It will be interesting to see who will do better.
I personally think Archer is overrated as a bowler especially in the test format.
Just a question, how tall is Naseem actually. I haven't been able to catch this test. Last time I saw a pic of him with Hasnain and co he looked 4 inches shorter than Hasnain. But that was 2 years ago so hopefully he has grown an inch or 2.
Archer is way taller. They are not going to bowl the same lengths. He gets extra lift which is very dangerous.
Naseem needs to improve his skill to compensate for his lack of height, or else he will go the Hasan Ali away.
Pakistan played him fairly well in the ODI series and World cup. Also you make it sound as if the guy is going to be running wild against us not knowing if he will be fit enough to play a full Test match. I would nto be surprised if ECB decide to rest him and keep him fresh for the T20 world cup.
I would be more worried about Stuart Broad who is a very experienced wicket taker in Test cricket and a well known break through bowler.
Archer is injured and he will miss quite a bit of cricket from now until the summer. He will be fit and recharged come the West Indies and Pakistan Tests.
This is a unique summer for England in a long time where they can realistically win every Test, and considering their revived focus on Test cricket, it is safe to assume that they will play their full-strength team against West Indies and Pakistan.
Playing Archer in Tests would be a different challenge though. Apart from Babar, I don’t see our batsmen getting on top of his bowling. The likes of Azhar, Masood, Haris, Shafiq, and Rizwan are sitting ducks against anyone with a bit of quality and extra bounce.
Shaheen has more int matches under his belt tho and in early 19 world cup he wasn't good so you know there is a reason they are not at the same level but Shaheen also had hieght which Naseem don't have so next 1-2 years will be crucialI don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.
I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.
Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.
Our players do well against a weak team, our fans get hyper -> then the same player gets exposed against a top team -> the same fans sit down for a bit because of the reality check -> our players do well against a weak team -> our fans get hyper and forget the reality check.
The cycle continues...
We saw Naseem against Australia, and he looked completely out of place at that level. This is a weak Bangladesh side especially because of the absence of its two best batsmen.
If Naseem can perform against England and New Zealand this year, then people will have the right to do get excited and hyper.
As far as my view is concerned, nothing has changed yet. I personally still consider Shaheen to be the only world class bowling prospect on our books.
Archer is injured and he will miss quite a bit of cricket from now until the summer. He will be fit and recharged come the West Indies and Pakistan Tests.
This is a unique summer for England in a long time where they can realistically win every Test, and considering their revived focus on Test cricket, it is safe to assume that they will play their full-strength team against West Indies and Pakistan.
Playing Archer in Tests would be a different challenge though. Apart from Babar, I don’t see our batsmen getting on top of his bowling. The likes of Azhar, Masood, Haris, Shafiq, and Rizwan are sitting ducks against anyone with a bit of quality and extra bounce.
I don’t know really. He is roughly the same age as Shaheen but the latter is far ahead in terms of development.
I will wait and see how Naseem does against quality lineups. I have no hope but I am happy to be surprised.
Our fans get excited very easily because they have embraced mediocrity, so I will avoid getting sucked into the hype.
ENG have been PAK's whipping boys.
Both at home and away. They can't win anything on our home or in the UAE. We fairly easily drew the series in ENG.
So, what are you talking about?
It will be even more tough for ENG this summer as PAK has a potent bowling unit.
Maybe you are forgetting Naseem lost his mother on his first tour ever that too in Australia.
Cut the kid some slack.
Marked. Infact you are marked for the Asia Cup tooEngland will whitewash us this summer. You can bookmark this post.

I can’t believe there are still people who believe that he is 16. I mean Naseem himself has stated that he isn’t.
He is actually roughy the same age as Shaheen who is miles ahead of him in terms of development.
Where did he say that hes not 16 ?
Plz shed some light on this
If they want him to play Tests, I would keep him away from too many T20Is or ODIs.
Player management has been poor in Pakistan and this kid is too good to waste.
I don't think there's a need to play him in white ball cricket at all for the moment. Amir and Wahabs test retirements mean that they can pick up the slack in ODIs and T20s. I'd argue that Shaheen shouldn't play T20is either.
In fact, the following is how I would manage The bowling stocks:
Tests:
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Hopefully we also see in the next 12 months:
Ehsan Adil
Arshad Iqbal
Akif Javed
ODIs:
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Amir
Usman Shinwari
Hassan Ali
Reserves being:
Musa Khan
Wahab Riaz
Naseem Shah, if absolutely needed
T20s:
Mohammad Amir
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Hassan Ali
Reserves:
Musa Khan
Dilber Hussain
That's 14 different fast bowlers not named Mohammad Irfan, Sohail Khan and Imran Khan, across three formats.
Pakistan are in an actual golden position to manage their bowlers sparingly, allowing them to go all out in their chosen format and thus extend their careers.
However, to do so requires strict monitoring of player workloads and strong man management (I.e communicating with players that they won't play every game, e.g. Shaheen Shah Afridi)
I hope this coaching staff puts some thought into this
I’m so excited to see him on his first tour to England.
But keep one thing in mind it is his first tour to England and he might find it difficult so we should give Naseem some time if he doesn’t perform as we expect from him...
Naseem Shah looks a lot more filled out and less lean than before. What are they feeding him at such a young age? Down a bit on pace too.
Still, I think he will come into his own today - after yesterday's nerves have die down. Also when the ball starts reversing, his side on angle will come into play.
He should play the role of enforcer - go all out fast. Not worry about line and length.
Naseem Shah looks a lot more filled out and less lean than before. What are they feeding him at such a young age? Down a bit on pace too.
Still, I think he will come into his own today - after yesterday's nerves have die down. Also when the ball starts reversing, his side on angle will come into play.
He should play the role of enforcer - go all out fast. Not worry about line and length.
I would say body more mature?
He aint doing no bodybuilding dude.At 17?
Or assuming he is older - at 19?
I am more with Michael Holding/Imran Khan etc who believe let the fast bowler bowl as much as possible, get your action right, eat right, do just enough exercise to strengthen the right areas. This body building stuff - unless I am mistaken for what it looks like - could take away from his potency.
Then again, it was just one spell on the first day. Let's wait and see.
Needs to improve his accuracy.
Needs to bowl closer to the stumps to threaten the right handers with his outswingers (natural swing) otherwise he will continue to pitch 5th stump which can be easily left by the batsmen.
He's still very raw.
Needs to bowl closer to the stumps to threaten the right handers with his outswingers (natural swing) otherwise he will continue to pitch 5th stump which can be easily left by the batsmen.
He's still very raw.
Naseem and Afridi should be rotated smartly,
Pakistan wasted opportunity by letting go Junaid khan
Rauf should be given chance in test cricket , don't typecast people for certain formats,give yourself some chance to see his potential in this format and let Naseem take his time,he may not match your expectations ever but don't let him loose his way like others
What was the reason this kid was hyped? He doesn't have pace, height, swing, and accuracy. Sohail Khan should play 2nd test no matter what is the outcome of this match.