Should PCB consider recalling Pakistani players from the ongoing BPL?

[cricketjoshila]

And you seem to think everyone and everything is inferior to India.

In terms of financial contribution to ICC, yes.

Really Saj,

How many times have BCCI sued any board?

They may be a hated rival of PCB, but even you have to agree that they function and manage things at a level no other board can.

 

[Bewal Express]

You know nothing. Please google about SA entry into ICC. You will know who aided it and who was instrumental.

Both Zim and SA voted for Dalmiya againist Malcolm Gray of Aus.

Please read before posting.

SA was part of the English cricket establishment, and England rebel tours were part of the SA cricket scene in the 80s. They might have voted for Dalmiya but Ind was not some power house that it became later.

 

[Bewal Express]

Tyere is a difference between fixing and betting.

No one said either is ok.

Yes there is, but if you are part of team and you are betting, then there is no difference.

 

[aloo paratha]

Love when Indian posters say Pakistan is obsessed with India, but here they are on a Pakistani forum hammering away at their keyboards furiously to try and make Pakistan look bad.

 

[FreePalestine]

With all due respect,

It was Dalmiya who helped BD get test status. A fact bcb acknowledges.

Indians too played in the Dhaka league. Am i wrong [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] .

BD will probably get in more sponsors and spectators than a WI or NZ team.


Problem is pakistanis feel BD is a inferior country as their team is weak so they deserve lesser treatment. Thats something i have issues with.

That again is a gross generalization about Pakistanis. I am a Pakistani and I do not feel BD is an inferior country. So this is another example of a sweeping denigration of Pakistan..

 

[adil79]

As much it attractive it sounds, I think it will be counter productive, as Bangladesh may also not T20s here which they are agreed to.

 

[RyanRyan10]

So a Co owner betting is a small thing. Inds Talking about betting is like funny, having you forgotten SreeSanth, Jadeja, Prab, Azhar to name just a few. Remember Kepil crying on TV.

Once again you are repeating the same thing. You still haven't explained what respect and izzat of Pakistan you were talking about in your earlier post.

Ind didn't get SA into the ICC, SA was always close to England. Zimbabwe in those days was also close to England. Ind needed BD for the votes

Another post where you failed to understand what the other person was trying to convey. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] was talking about SA's return to World Cricket in 1991. Please read about the things you are posting here.

 

[FreePalestine]

With all due respect,

It was Dalmiya who helped BD get test status. A fact bcb acknowledges.

Indians too played in the Dhaka league. Am i wrong [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] .

BD will probably get in more sponsors and spectators than a WI or NZ team.


Problem is pakistanis feel BD is a inferior country as their team is weak so they deserve lesser treatment. Thats something i have issues with.

I also want to add: Pakistan’s position is officially ‘We will play all our home matches at home’. This is from a statement by our chairman. So where is the discrimination against Bangladesh in that? It is more about the stage we are at in terms of getting cricket back to Pakistan. We feel that Pakistan is safe and we have put considerable effort into proving that on the international stage. So we would like to play our home matches at home and don’t think teams should have problems with that anymore. We were also very firm with Sri Lanka and when they requested that we play tests in the UAE, we asked them to foot the bill. So it is more about getting cricket back to Pakistan, which our cricket mad country definitely deserves and is our responsibility to fight for, and not about discriminating against Bangladesh.

 

[FreePalestine]

And finally, if you were really a fan of Pakistan cricket, as an Indian supporter who loves cricket and not just Indian cricket... then you too would not want to deprive the people of Pakistan of the opportunity to watch cricket, especially when all the evidence says that Pakistan is a safe country to play cricket in. Their refusal is geo-political, and not based on security concerns.

 

[Bewal Express]

Once again you are repeating the same thing. You still haven't explained what respect and izzat of Pakistan you were talking about in your earlier post.



Another post where you failed to understand what the other person was trying to convey. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] was talking about SA's return to World Cricket in 1991. Please read about the things you are posting here.

Respect and izzat are something fascist Ind doesn't understand. So no point elaborating.
You don't have to tell me about SA in the 80s. I lived through the age. I can remember Ind invited SA even before Aparthied had been lifted in its desperation to get a vote. As I said respect and izzat is something you don't understand.

 

[RyanRyan10]

) ) )

Their BEST World Cup performance ended with a number eight finish. In Tests, they are just cannon-fodder. Just because everyone likes to think Bangladesh is getting better, doesn't mean it's true.

Yes,they are improving as a team.

Their W/L ratio in this decade across all formats is much higher than the previous decade.

Even in tests,they have started finishing games. Won tests against England and Australia and drew a series against SL in SL winning the 2nd test even after batting 2nd. They are a competitive side in Asia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

SA was part of the English cricket establishment, and England rebel tours were part of the SA cricket scene in the 80s. They might have voted for Dalmiya but Ind was not some power house that it became later.

As i said, you know nothing.





Mumbai: Cricket South Africa (CSA) on Sunday paid rich tributes to BCCI president Jagmohan Dalmiya, who passed away in a Kolkata hospital today at the age of 75 after suffering a massive cradiac arrest.

"We knew that he was not in good health in the last while but it has nevertheless come as a shock to all of us and I extend the sympathy of the CSA community to his family, friends and cricketing colleagues and indeed to the entire Indian cricket community," said CSA president Chris Nenzani.


"The fact that he served two terms as president of the BCCI and was also president of the ICC speaks volumes both about his love for the game and the strong leadership he was able to provide. Mr. Dalmiya was the man who proposed our re- entry as a Full Member of the ICC and he played a major role right to the end to ensure our relationship with the BCCI will remain strong and steadfast," he added.

CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat, said: "Mr. Dalmiya will never be forgotten in South African cricket circles for being instrumental in welcoming us back into the international cricket fold and for extending in 1991 that historic invitation to the United Cricket Board to make possible the Proteas first ever tour abroad to India.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...pays-tribute-to-jagmohan-dalmiya-1105880.html

It was at the end of the long 13 hour meeting at the International Cricket Council (ICC) on February 2, 1993 that the British media literally pressed Jagmohan Dalmiya for a comment. He had just moved the World Cup to India for a second time and had also forced the removal of the veto power that England and Australia had enjoyed for decades. “What I will say you can’t print or show on television”, Dalmiya had said. Not willing to give up, many pushed him for a comment. “I wonder with this intelligence how you ruled us for 200 years”, said Dalmiya with a smile as he walked out of the meeting.

Dalmiya changed things singlehandedly. Having spearheaded the South African comeback into fold of world cricket in 1991,


https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-players-administrator-throughout-his-career/


One more

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/sou...iend-for-forever-1493765?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

I can provide more links if you are interested.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Respect and izzat are something fascist Ind doesn't understand. So no point elaborating.
You don't have to tell me about SA in the 80s. I lived through the age. I can remember Ind invited SA even before Aparthied had been lifted in its desperation to get a vote. As I said respect and izzat is something you don't understand.

Another lie.

India invited SA after their re entry into ICC in 1991.

Respect Izzat and you then lie.

 

[Bewal Express]

Another lie.

India invited SA after their re entry into ICC in 1991.

Respect Izzat and you then lie.

But Apartheid hadn't been lifted. Why the hurry. It wasn't a multi lateral series, like the WC, it was a bilateral series.

 

[Bewal Express]

As i said, you know nothing.





Mumbai: Cricket South Africa (CSA) on Sunday paid rich tributes to BCCI president Jagmohan Dalmiya, who passed away in a Kolkata hospital today at the age of 75 after suffering a massive cradiac arrest.

"We knew that he was not in good health in the last while but it has nevertheless come as a shock to all of us and I extend the sympathy of the CSA community to his family, friends and cricketing colleagues and indeed to the entire Indian cricket community," said CSA president Chris Nenzani.


"The fact that he served two terms as president of the BCCI and was also president of the ICC speaks volumes both about his love for the game and the strong leadership he was able to provide. Mr. Dalmiya was the man who proposed our re- entry as a Full Member of the ICC and he played a major role right to the end to ensure our relationship with the BCCI will remain strong and steadfast," he added.

CSA chief executive Haroon Lorgat, said: "Mr. Dalmiya will never be forgotten in South African cricket circles for being instrumental in welcoming us back into the international cricket fold and for extending in 1991 that historic invitation to the United Cricket Board to make possible the Proteas first ever tour abroad to India.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...pays-tribute-to-jagmohan-dalmiya-1105880.html

It was at the end of the long 13 hour meeting at the International Cricket Council (ICC) on February 2, 1993 that the British media literally pressed Jagmohan Dalmiya for a comment. He had just moved the World Cup to India for a second time and had also forced the removal of the veto power that England and Australia had enjoyed for decades. “What I will say you can’t print or show on television”, Dalmiya had said. Not willing to give up, many pushed him for a comment. “I wonder with this intelligence how you ruled us for 200 years”, said Dalmiya with a smile as he walked out of the meeting.

Dalmiya changed things singlehandedly. Having spearheaded the South African comeback into fold of world cricket in 1991,


https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-players-administrator-throughout-his-career/


One more

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/sou...iend-for-forever-1493765?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

I can provide more links if you are interested.

So desperate was he for the vote that suddenly out of nowhere Ind invited SA to tour. Remember this was before the constitution was agreed. As I said no izzat

 

[cricketjoshila]

But Apartheid hadn't been lifted. Why the hurry. It wasn't a multi lateral series, like the WC, it was a bilateral series.

SA was a member of ICC. The indian govt had agreed to the proposal.

The official end of apartheid was in 1994, when a new constitution was approved.

Before that SA had played a WC, Olympics etc etc.

F W De Klerk had already started the Reformation project and ANC had supported the re entry of SA into ICC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So desperate was he for the vote that suddenly out of nowhere Ind invited SA to tour. Remember this was before the constitution was agreed. As I said no izzat

Out of nowhere? Lol.

It was Ali Bacher who contacted Dalmiya to help SA get into ICC.

Dalmiya had more Izzat in the cricketing world than any pakistani will ever get. Or for that matter any administrator will get.

The Constitution was agreed in 1994. SA had played a WC and Olympics before that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You got owned. Stop embarassing yourselves.

He has no idea about ICC history. He thinks BCCIs power is a recent phenomenon.

One of the only things i liked sbout Srini regime at ICC was that India will now host the WC alone.

India doesnt need any help to host the world cup snd share the matches. But without bcci, the rest of Asia will be hard pressed to get hosting rights of a WC.

 

[Bewal Express]

Out of nowhere? Lol.

It was Ali Bacher who contacted Dalmiya to help SA get into ICC.

Dalmiya had more Izzat in the cricketing world than any pakistani will ever get. Or for that matter any administrator will get.

The Constitution was agreed in 1994. SA had played a WC and Olympics before that.

Maybe a little more reading will help. After Mandela was released in Feb 1990, the negotiations started but the Inds were so desperate to curry favour that the invitation came from nowhere and tool everyone by surprise. The irony was that the Saffers accused Kepil Dev of ball tampering in one of the matches.

 

[Bewal Express]

You got owned. Stop embarassing yourselves.

Read my reply. You will see who got owned. Those same Saffers accused Kepil of ball tampering. Lol as I said izzat and respect is something you will never have.

 

[Mesozoic]

He has no idea about ICC history. He thinks BCCIs power is a recent phenomenon.

One of the only things i liked sbout Srini regime at ICC was that India will now host the WC alone.

India doesnt need any help to host the world cup snd share the matches. But without bcci, the rest of Asia will be hard pressed to get hosting rights of a WC.

Agree. The world cup in 1987 was the game changer for BCCI and since then they never looked back. Dalmiya and Srini are the prime reasons why BCCI is there where it is today.

 

[Mesozoic]

Read my reply. You will see who got owned. Those same Saffers accused Kepil of ball tampering. Lol as I said izzat and respect is something you will never have.

Lol. Now you're shifting goalposts.

What happened to the "India did nothing for South Africa" rant ?

You talking about ball tampering and izzat. Irony died a thousand deaths.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lol. Now you're shifting goalposts.

What happened to the "India did nothing for South Africa" rant ?

You talking about ball tampering and izzat. Irony died a thousand deaths.

Ind was desperate to get noticed. It had no more power than the others at that point. The Inds realised that SA will always be part of the English sphere of influence and were desperate for more allies, hence BD became a test nation, although it's team was awful. The izzat that you always lack was shown by visitors accusing you of ball tampering. It was funny and the allegations were made Ray White, not some assistant coach. Even your visitors realised that you lacked class. History has proved them right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Maybe a little more reading will help. After Mandela was released in Feb 1990, the negotiations started but the Inds were so desperate to curry favour that the invitation came from nowhere and tool everyone by surprise. The irony was that the Saffers accused Kepil Dev of ball tampering in one of the matches.

I know my history.

Ali Bacher asked for Dalmiya s help and he decided to help. ANC backed Ali Bacher and thats how Dalmiya got the backing of Scindia who then helped Dalmiya convince the Indian govt. Ali Bacher made sure that Steve Tshwete a high ranking ANC member who later on became the sports minister in Mandela, talked to Scindia assuring him that the move had ANCs support.

Before the ICC vote in July, South Africa had already formed UCBSA by merging SACU and the SACB, there by removing any apartheid arrangements in cricket board.

The vote to include SA was passed in July 1991 and only after that did SA tour India.

And just because we helped them get in, we didnot expect and onfield favours.

 

[Bewal Express]

I know my history.

Ali Bacher asked for Dalmiya s help and he decided to help. ANC backed Ali Bacher and thats how Dalmiya got the backing of Scindia who then helped Dalmiya convince the Indian govt. Ali Bacher made sure that Steve Tshwete a high ranking ANC member who later on became the sports minister in Mandela, talked to Scindia assuring him that the move had ANCs support.

Before the ICC vote in July, South Africa had already formed UCBSA by merging SACU and the SACB, there by removing any apartheid arrangements in cricket board.

The vote to include SA was passed in July 1991 and only after that did SA tour India.

And just because we helped them get in, we didnot expect and onfield favours.

No, you reading up on Google is not the same. I lived through the anti Apartheid movements of the 80s. Have you ever wondered why SA wasn't allowed in the 1991 Rugby WC? The reality was that you guys were so desperate to please, hoping that you would get the gratitude of the new cricket board and the vote. You arranged a tour so quickly that it took everyone including the Saffers board by surprise. The tour was arranged in less than 3 weeks. As the 90s wore on, and you had a taste of power but couldn't trust the Saffers, you wanted a extra vote in the form of BD. BD cricket was no better than Kenya's, I would say Kenya was actually much better but it got test status based on one win because again you needed the votes as the Windies were still part of the English sphere of influence and PK couldn't be relied upon for obvious reasons.

 

[Saj]

In terms of financial contribution to ICC, yes.

Really Saj,

How many times have BCCI sued any board?

They may be a hated rival of PCB, but even you have to agree that they function and manage things at a level no other board can.

Financially they've done well, but that doesn't mean other Boards like PCB cannot stand their ground on future policies.

Hated rival. I think you are getting a bit too worked up over all this BCB stuff. PCB has over the years stated they are prepared to work alongside BCCI etc.

 

[FreePalestine]

A simple request: It would be great if posters from India and Pakistan could stop disrespecting each other so much on here and just share their love of cricket. It is disheartening when I see fans trying to ‘one up’ each other based on national lines.

I am sure most of you have been members for a long time and have lived through less blindly nationalistic times, when you were probably kinder to each other and saw each other as human beings and not walking, talking flag-bearers. So I urge all people who are on here to seek the best for the whole cricketing world and all its fans and since this is a page for fans of Pakistan cricket - especially wish Pakistan cricket well and support them in their desire to get cricket back to their fans after all the hard work that has been put into making that a viable prospect.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Financially they've done well, but that doesn't mean other Boards like PCB cannot stand their ground on future policies.

Hated rival. I think you are getting a bit too worked up over all this BCB stuff. PCB has over the years stated they are prepared to work alongside BCCI etc.

I have no issues with pcb standing their ground. If they cancel this BD series because of BD not visiting pakistan and sue BCB and then repeat it with the next SENA country scheduled to tour, i will say PCB would have earned every ones respect.

But right now it looks like PCB has one set of rules for BD and another for SENA countries.

India and Pakistan have had a history of political turmoils and bilateral cricket has been suspended quiet a few times.

But the two boards worked around those sanctions by playing in neutral territory and by making the series triangular or quadrangular.

But PCB regimes in last 1 decade have been led by people who have tried confront rather than co opt with Bcci.

They dont seem to understand that something's are not in BCCIs hands.

Withdrawal of players from ipl 2009
Trying to shift the 2011 WC out of India
Suing the Bcci
Various comments of Butt,Ashraf,Sethi and now Mani.

These are hardly acts of a board thats willing to work together.

 

[Saj]

I have no issues with pcb standing their ground. If they cancel this BD series because of BD not visiting pakistan and sue BCB and then repeat it with the next SENA country scheduled to tour, i will say PCB would have earned every ones respect.

But right now it looks like PCB has one set of rules for BD and another for SENA countries.

India and Pakistan have had a history of political turmoils and bilateral cricket has been suspended quiet a few times.

But the two boards worked around those sanctions by playing in neutral territory and by making the series triangular or quadrangular.

But PCB regimes in last 1 decade have been led by people who have tried confront rather than co opt with Bcci.

They dont seem to understand that something's are not in BCCIs hands.

Withdrawal of players from ipl 2009
Trying to shift the 2011 WC out of India
Suing the Bcci
Various comments of Butt,Ashraf,Sethi and now Mani.

These are hardly acts of a board thats willing to work together.

Don't think you understood or bothered to understand Ehsan Mani's recent comments. Read them, then read them slowly again and then read them once more. ALL teams will be expected to play in Pakistan, not just some.

And stop the nonsense implying BCCI is pure and totally blameless in their relationship with the PCB and as if BCCI are angelic and other Boards are the villains.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't think you understood or bothered to understand Ehsan Mani's recent comments. Read them, then read them slowly again and then read them once more. ALL teams will be expected to play in Pakistan, not just some.

And stop the nonsense implying BCCI is pure and totally blameless in their relationship with the PCB and as if BCCI are angelic and other Boards are the villains.

Yes Ehsan Mani said that PCB expects teams to tour. That hosting series in pakistan is the policy. I want to see how strict they are with the policy.

Bcci is no angel. Like everyone they too look after their interests.

Can you tell me how was Bcci to be blamed when the govt denied permission for bilateral tours?

If you say bcci was on the wrong side during Srini MoU saga, i would agree.

But pcb is also guilty of continuously poking BCCI.

 

[Saj]

Yes Ehsan Mani said that PCB expects teams to tour. That hosting series in pakistan is the policy. I want to see how strict they are with the policy.

Finally, he's got the message.

 

[FreePalestine]

Don't think you understood or bothered to understand Ehsan Mani's recent comments. Read them, then read them slowly again and then read them once more. ALL teams will be expected to play in Pakistan, not just some.

And stop the nonsense implying BCCI is pure and totally blameless in their relationship with the PCB and as if BCCI are angelic and other Boards are the villains.

Here here. I would love for this BCCI cheerleading to stop as well (not from all Indian cricket fans on here, just this guy)

Lots of boards, including my own, do things that I disagree with. I would not blindly support the PCB because I am a Pak cricket fan and I criticise them happily when they do things I do not agree with.

Nor would I try to justify the screwed up things that the BCCI do (by themselves or at the behest of the Indian gov) - not wanting to develop new markets in China and USA by participating in the olympics because it is in ‘their financial interests’... or try to isolate Pakistan in cricket for geo-political reasons...

I really do think if you do not wish Pak cricket well, and are happy if teams don’t come here etc, then you shouldn’t be on a forum for Pakistan cricket fans..

 

[FreePalestine]

Finally, he's got the message.

Yes, took him a long time!

 

[ahsan17]

Finally, he's got the message.

I had mentioned it several times before, but didn't get it.

 

[Saj]

Here here. I would love for this BCCI cheerleading to stop as well (not from all Indian cricket fans on here, just this guy)

Lots of boards, including my own, do things that I disagree with. I would not blindly support the PCB because I am a Pak cricket fan and I criticise them happily when they do things I do not agree with.

Nor would I try to justify the screwed up things that the BCCI do (by themselves or at the behest of the Indian gov) - not wanting to develop new markets in China and USA by participating in the olympics because it is in ‘their financial interests’... or try to isolate Pakistan in cricket for geo-political reasons...

I really do think if you do not wish Pak cricket well, and are happy if teams don’t come here etc, then you shouldn’t be on a forum for Pakistan cricket fans..

This is where some of us are different to others. We say it how it is, whilst others will blindly defend their cricket board, which looks pretty silly.