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What are the strategies PCB can consider for hosting CT 2025 after India refusal to visit Pakiistan

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cricketjoshila said:
There are many penalties if a host decides to forfeit games as Pakistan has signed a hosting agreement.

There are penalties if any team refuses to play a match after signing the MPA.

You think BCCI didn't sign the MPA for no reason.
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like? enlighten us with source
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
you miss the point. when you act as a custodian of the game and not commercial partner of member board , 90% or 100% source of revenue does nt matter
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When you act as custodian of the game its your duty to ensure the financial survival of all boards.

Except big 3 rest all depend on ICC revenue share for the majority of their budget.

90 per cent of that revenue comes from India.
 
emranabbas said:
Hero cup and asia cup ICC events?
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@Hitman was talking about mixing politics with sports. Sure, Hero cup and asia cup were not ICC events, but they were still sports. Bottom line: PCB or ex Pakistani cricketers do not have a standing to preach us not to mix politics and sports.

Going back to the topic of the thread: The PCB should plan to host the entire tournament in Pakistan with or without India. If the ICC is afraid of losing revenue, work out a deal with the ICC or walk out of the tournament itself. Be ready to lose some short term loss.
 
cricketjoshila said:
When you act as custodian of the game its your duty to ensure the financial survival of all boards.

Except big 3 rest all depend on ICC revenue share for the majority of their budget.

90 per cent of that revenue comes from India.
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financial survival is down on the list of priorities .. First being fair treatment to all member boards. according to Board of Governors of ICC , all members are equal . 5% revenue or 95% revenue
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
this is not a model. this is what should be done. to keep authority of ICC. why ICC is taking pressure of pcb or bcci?
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Why ICC is taking pressure of PCB or BCCI?

That's where the issue lies. IT HAS TO.

Not because ICC wants to.
 
nuttyprof said:
Ohh sorry that you were living under a rock. India and Pakistan are adversaries in a zero sum game.
Btw just because we like the cope, doesn’t mean there are no security issues.
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Lol. Caught red handed now trying to backtrack and pretend it's about security again. :ROFLMAO:

Read the posts after yours, your compatriots are still talking about how Indian revenue will decide what is right and wrong.
 
Itachi said:
Why ICC is taking pressure of PCB or BCCI?

That's where the issue lies. IT HAS TO.

Not because ICC wants to.
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ICC is setting up bad precedents for Future. 90% of Revenue comes from Indian Market , Not BCCI. its not that BCCI did some top of line marketing to fetch icc 3 Billion $ deal. its the broadcasters that want to tap into 1.5 Billion fans of the game so they offer big money to ICC. BCCI just happens to be the board of that country. they act like everything is because of BCCI
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
BOOM! There it is in black and white.
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Sure. Just BCCI can and wants to ride roughshod over PCB and there is nothing PCB and by extension Pakistanis can do about it, doesn’t mean there are no security issues (esp to Indian team) in Pakistan.
 
nuttyprof said:
Sure. Just BCCI can and wants to ride roughshod over PCB and there is nothing PCB and by extension Pakistanis can do about it, doesn’t mean there are no security issues (esp to Indian team) in Pakistan.
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These teams are supposed to get top level security.

Crying about security is really a phony thing to do.
 
nuttyprof said:
Sure. Just BCCI can and wants to ride roughshod over PCB and there is nothing PCB and by extension Pakistanis can do about it, doesn’t mean there are no security issues (esp to Indian team) in Pakistan.
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Ohhh and how does it feel when Pakistan team can’t afford to boycott India. But BCCI can walk all over PCB ?
 
nuttyprof said:
Sure. Just BCCI can and wants to ride roughshod over PCB and there is nothing PCB and by extension Pakistanis can do about it, doesn’t mean there are no security issues (esp to Indian team) in Pakistan.
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nothing can stop PCB from forfeiting the India game if BCCI has its way enforced regarding hybrid model. and PCB should do that
 
sweep_shot said:
These teams are supposed to get top level security.

Crying about security is really a phony thing to do.
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Now that they have been caught red-handed, they have switched back to the security threat drama, but this thread is filled with their crowing about how much damage they can do to Pakistan financially...the real reason for India's boycotts.

Of course their hindutva govt will present security threats as a reason because they know they can't give their real reasons. They don't have the guts to speak honestly.
 
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nuttyprof said:
Sure. I am hoping PCB forfeits India game, boycotts India and Indian cricket council. “Hain dum ?”
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haha Pakistanis or PCB has no desire to do one up on India. its the obsession of Indians. they think if they can one up Pakistan through bcci , it can make India superpower , Be our Guests 😂 we just dnt want to play India anymore anywhere. lets see where it goes
 
nuttyprof said:
Well, security concerns are Indian prerogative. Nothing PCB can do about it.
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So, 6 other teams have no fuss about security but India do.

What conclusion can we draw from this? I think we can conclude Indian men are timid and feminine. They have to hide behind security excuse as if they are women who need to be protected.

As a matter of fact, I believe many women are braver than Indian men in general.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
haha Pakistanis or PCB has no desire to do one up on India. its the obsession of Indians. they think if they can one up Pakistan through bcci , it can make India superpower , Be our Guests 😂 we just dnt want to play India anymore anywhere. lets see where it goes
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Even that isn't really true. I think most Pakistanis who follow cricket would like to play India. I think most Indians would want to watch Pakistan/India games. The reason they don't happen is because India wants to use cricket as a political tool to damage Pakistan, this is not really a fan decision. Indian posters are just defending their govt through jingo lens, it is less to do with cricket.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
haha Pakistanis or PCB has no desire to do one up on India. its the obsession of Indians. they think if they can one up Pakistan through bcci , it can make India superpower , Be our Guests 😂 we just dnt want to play India anymore anywhere. lets see where it goes
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Please boycott India and ICC then :-) I hoping you would
 
nuttyprof said:
Please boycott India and ICC then :) I hoping you would
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why should we boycott icc? Pakistan will host CT 2025 dnt worry . we will take the hosting fee and we will also forfeit the game, we will even let you take the trophy both teams qualify for final, and bcci can take that trophy and shove it where sun does not shine
 
sweep_shot said:
So, 6 other teams have no fuss about security but India do.

What conclusion can we draw from this? I think we can conclude Indian men are timid and feminine. They have to hide behind security excuse as if they are women who need to be protected.

As a matter of fact, I believe many women are braver than Indian men in general.
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Those 6 teams do not share an adversarial relationship with India.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
why should we boycott icc? Pakistan will host CT 2025 dnt worry . we will take the hosting fee and we will also forfeit the game, we will even let you take the trophy both teams qualify for final, and bcci can take that trophy and shove it where sun does not shine
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So CT 2025 will be hosted in Pakistan completely ?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
financial survival is down on the list of priorities .. First being fair treatment to all member boards. according to Board of Governors of ICC , all members are equal . 5% revenue or 95% revenue
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You don't make your living through cricket so for you financial survival isn't important.

There many who depend on this game to put food on the plate.

You think all countries are equal in UN?
 
nuttyprof said:
Those 6 teams do not share an adversarial relationship with India.
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The adversarial part is all coming from your side. It is there in black and white with your crowing over how India can cripple Pakistan financially. You can pretend otherwise now, but we read all the posts beforehand.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
why should we boycott icc? Pakistan will host CT 2025 dnt worry . we will take the hosting fee and we will also forfeit the game, we will even let you take the trophy both teams qualify for final, and bcci can take that trophy and shove it where sun does not shine
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You will play the tournament in hybrid mode and play every scheduled match.

Else you will not play the tournament.

That's what most likely to happen.

Happened during Asia Cup as well.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The adversarial part is all coming from your side. It is there in black and white with your crowing over how India can cripple Pakistan financially. You can pretend otherwise now, but we read all the posts beforehand.
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Why isn't PCB asking to host the tournament without India?
 
cricketjoshila said:
You don't make your living through cricket so for you financial survival isn't important.

There many who depend on this game to put food on the plate.

You think all countries are equal in UN?
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Good thing is 90% of revenue for Fifa does nt come from India otherwise Indians would be polluting that sports too.

There is no analogy between a sports body and UN
 
cricketjoshila said:
You will play the tournament in hybrid mode and play every scheduled match.

Else you will not play the tournament.

That's what most likely to happen.

Happened during Asia Cup as well.
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Asia cup was played in good faith and anticipation that BCCI will reciprocate by playing Ct 2025. PCB obliged. now that they know BCCI wont.. pcb will take its stance. dnt worry
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Because PCB's objective is to play international cricket, not use the game to showcase hatred for India.
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Say with straight face " ICC can't host a tournament without india".

All the talk is rubbish because PCB were already boycott the some tournaments.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Asia cup was played in good faith and anticipation that BCCI will reciprocate by playing Ct 2025. PCB obliged. now that they know BCCI wont.. pcb will take its stance. dnt worry
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Eagerly waiting!! BCCI has been too chicken to kick PCB out. This will get us what we want.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
ICC is setting up bad precedents for Future. 90% of Revenue comes from Indian Market , Not BCCI. its not that BCCI did some top of line marketing to fetch icc 3 Billion $ deal. its the broadcasters that want to tap into 1.5 Billion fans of the game so they offer big money to ICC. BCCI just happens to be the board of that country. they act like everything is because of BCCI
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Indian market is paying to watch the Indian cricket team. Without that team Indian market won't pay. BCCI controls the Indian team.

BCCI has developed the game in India and marketed it. Else Pakistan has 220mn people and BD some 150mn, what's their contribution?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The adversarial part is all coming from your side. It is there in black and white with your crowing over how India can cripple Pakistan financially. You can pretend otherwise now, but we read all the posts beforehand.
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Absolutely!! India and Pakistan have and are sharing an adversarial relationship. No use pretending otherwise. The only difference is India used to be afflicted with Gandhi Nehru virus. Modi has some vestiges, but not the the extent of Vajpayee, Gujral and Morarji. India no longer backs away from confrontation and with the economic clout it can afford to have it’s way.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Asia cup was played in good faith and anticipation that BCCI will reciprocate by playing Ct 2025. PCB obliged. now that they know BCCI wont.. pcb will take its stance. dnt worry
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What good faith? There were empty threats like Pakistan won't Travel to India for the 2023 WC etc etc.

PCBs bluff was called.
 
offstump said:
Exactly. PCB is trying to make this tournament work but one member is still crying about the 1993 hero cup.
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True let’s forget Imran Khan ever won a wc too.
Can we start cricketing history from 2024 T20 wc?
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Good thing is 90% of revenue for Fifa does nt come from India otherwise Indians would be polluting that sports too.

There is no analogy between a sports body and UN
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Fifa banned Russia. Why? For what reason?

Just like everyone isn't equal in UN. Every one isn't equal in FIFA and everyone isn't equal in ICC either.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What good faith? There were empty threats like Pakistan won't Travel to India for the 2023 WC etc etc.

PCBs bluff was called.
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apparently ICC assured Pakistan that CT wont be effected according to Journalists.

Pakistan is not making any threats, Simply responding to what BCCI is doing. BCCI can refuse to travel to Pakistan. Pakistan can do the same. why do you think its a threat?

Lets Bust the Security Excuse. lot of Indian posters say that Other 6 team’s confidence in security and India’s concern are not comparable since India fought wars with Pakistan , Faced terrorism and shares land border , India’s threat perception is different, Fair Enough. would bcci or indian government share any intel on any particular threat to Indian team in Pakistan? surely “fought wars” rhetoric or accusations of terrorism is pretty cliche and sweeping generalization of the whole issue. When India travelled to Pak in 2004 , 2006 and 2008 , all the wars had been fought even then, Terrorism was still active in Pakistan, Animosity was still there. this general security excuse is laughable unless a particular threat intel is presented to pcb or Pakistan government so they can make right call and agree with Indian government that indian team will not be safe in Pakistan
 
cricketjoshila said:
Fifa banned Russia. Why? For what reason?

Just like everyone isn't equal in UN. Every one isn't equal in FIFA and everyone isn't equal in ICC either.
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Russia is actively engaged in full scale war with other member of fifa and majority of Fifa members supported this move. no comparison
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
apparently ICC assured Pakistan that CT wont be effected according to Journalists.

Pakistan is not making any threats, Simply responding to what BCCI is doing. BCCI can refuse to travel to Pakistan. Pakistan can do the same. why do you think its a threat?

Lets Bust the Security Excuse. lot of Indian posters say that Other 6 team’s confidence in security and India’s concern are not comparable since India fought wars with Pakistan , Faced terrorism and shares land border , India’s threat perception is different, Fair Enough. would bcci or indian government share any intel on any particular threat to Indian team in Pakistan? surely “fought wars” rhetoric or accusations of terrorism is pretty cliche and sweeping generalization of the whole issue. When India travelled to Pak in 2004 , 2006 and 2008 , all the wars had been fought even then, Terrorism was still active in Pakistan, Animosity was still there. this general security excuse is laughable unless a particular threat intel is presented to pcb or Pakistan government so they can make right call and agree with Indian government that indian team will not be safe in Pakistan
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Was a sports team attacked in pakistan before 2009? No. So security situation changed.

If ICC had given any such written assurances then PCB should sue ICC.

PCB had threatened to boycott the 2023 ICC WC in India if India didn't travel to Pakistan for the Asia Cup.

India didn't. Pakistan did travel to India though.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Majority of ICC members will also support the hybrid model.
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yes they can. Pakistan reserves the right to forfeit Indian Game. Nothing can enforce Pakistan to play. You are not Privy to clauses of MPA so do not make assumptions that this move will attract sanctions. if Pakistan forfeits the Indian Game , icc wont be able to shift the tournament anywhere. what comes after we will see
 
cricketjoshila said:
Was a sports team attacked in pakistan before 2009? No. So security situation changed.

If ICC had given any such written assurances then PCB should sue ICC.

PCB had threatened to boycott the 2023 ICC WC in India if India didn't travel to Pakistan for the Asia Cup.

India didn't. Pakistan did travel to India though.
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India should share the particular threat intel no? the team that was attacked has no issues traveling to same venue which means the situation has favorably changed
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
India should share the particular threat intel no? the team that was attacked has no issues traveling to same venue which means the situation has favorably changed
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They actually have no threat just playing politics that's it
 
Devadwal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1857094002069115028
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So Indian Davis Cup Team came to Pakistan and even Jaishankar came to Pakistan recently..

And now Indian Blind Cricket Team also got approval to visit Pakistan.

But we are still talking about a nonsensical dossier.. lol

Solution is very simple. Have India play all games in Lahore.Have Indian Team stay in Amritsar and travel 30-40 mins across the border to play each game and return back to Amritsar without any fuss the same day. Play your SF in Lahore as well (Final already scheduled in Lahore..) Come with your security if that makes you feel better.

@Devadwal @cricketjoshila @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
yes they can. Pakistan reserves the right to forfeit Indian Game. Nothing can enforce Pakistan to play. You are not Privy to clauses of MPA so do not make assumptions that this move will attract sanctions. if Pakistan forfeits the Indian Game , icc wont be able to shift the tournament anywhere. what comes after we will see
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😂. Try it. Please do.
 
msb314 said:
So Indian Davis Cup Team came to Pakistan and even Jaishankar came to Pakistan recently..

And now Indian Blind Cricket Team also got approval to visit Pakistan.

But we are still talking about a nonsensical dossier.. lol

Solution is very simple. Have India play all games in Lahore.Have Indian Team stay in Amritsar and travel 30-40 mins across the border to play each game and return back to Amritsar without any fuss the same day. Play your SF in Lahore as well (Final already scheduled in Lahore..) Come with your security if that makes you feel better.

@Devadwal @cricketjoshila @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep
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Tennis is a individual sports. Davis Cup team is a temporary assembled team. The main players withdrew. Only players who were willing to take the risk were selected. Its not a regular national team.

Jaishankar doesn't has to play in public regularly. He didn't come for any bilateral talks.

Blind team hasn't got permission.

sports.ndtv.com

Indian Men's Blind Cricket Team Unlikely To Travel To Pakistan For T20 World Cup | Cricket News

The Indian men's blind cricket team are awaiting clearance from the Ministry of External Affairs for their participation in the 4th T20 World Cup for the Blind which will take place in Pakistan from November 22 to December 3.
sports.ndtv.com sports.ndtv.com

Security clearance is denied for few kms distance from hotel to stadium and you want team to travel 40 mins.
 
msb314 said:
So Indian Davis Cup Team came to Pakistan and even Jaishankar came to Pakistan recently..

And now Indian Blind Cricket Team also got approval to visit Pakistan.

But we are still talking about a nonsensical dossier.. lol

Solution is very simple. Have India play all games in Lahore.Have Indian Team stay in Amritsar and travel 30-40 mins across the border to play each game and return back to Amritsar without any fuss the same day. Play your SF in Lahore as well (Final already scheduled in Lahore..) Come with your security if that makes you feel better.

@Devadwal @cricketjoshila @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep
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The Boat has already sailed .Now there is no chance of Indian team coming to Pakistan unless Modi asked them to Go there .

India is sending the dossier because Pakistan had asked the reason for the Indian team not coming.
 
Tangential and describes PCB and Pak economic situation

PTV Sports locked a deal to sublicense Pakistan’s tour of Australia (3 ODIs & 3 T20 Internationals) for an approximate USD 6,50,000. Result of empty coffers & bad financial management, failure of the Director Sports & Syndication, PTV defaulted on payment. Tower Sports asked them to pay or they could hold back the live feed. Embarrassingly, & reportedly Director Sports to hide his incompetence & failure instead reached out an off shore third party & got the signal illegally landed at PTV Sports during the second ODI between Pakistan & Australia. Sony Pictures Network India (SPNI) the parent broadcaster sent a Cease & Desist Notice to PTV for illegal broadcast, unprecedented in the history of state broadcaster.
 
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rpant_gabba said:
Tangential and describes PCB and Pak economic situation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856967847852884056

PTV Sports locked a deal to sublicense Pakistan’s tour of Australia (3 ODIs & 3 T20 Internationals) for an approximate USD 6,50,000. Result of empty coffers & bad financial management, failure of the Director Sports & Syndication, PTV defaulted on payment. Tower Sports asked them to pay or they could hold back the live feed. Embarrassingly, & reportedly Director Sports to hide his incompetence & failure instead reached out an off shore third party & got the signal illegally landed at PTV Sports during the second ODI between Pakistan & Australia. Sony Pictures Network India (SPNI) the parent broadcaster sent a Cease & Desist Notice to PTV for illegal broadcast, unprecedented in the history of state broadcaster.
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Haha what a bunch of incompetent people's ,.
 
more from the same tweet

>>Such is the failure PTV still owes USD 2.1 million to ICC in lieu of the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 payments & with no recovery left from the market it will still be tough for them to make payments ahead of the mega tournament.<<<
 
msb314 said:
So Indian Davis Cup Team came to Pakistan and even Jaishankar came to Pakistan recently..

And now Indian Blind Cricket Team also got approval to visit Pakistan.

But we are still talking about a nonsensical dossier.. lol

Solution is very simple. Have India play all games in Lahore.Have Indian Team stay in Amritsar and travel 30-40 mins across the border to play each game and return back to Amritsar without any fuss the same day. Play your SF in Lahore as well (Final already scheduled in Lahore..) Come with your security if that makes you feel better.

@Devadwal @cricketjoshila @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep
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We would have had all thy relationships that two good neighbours must have but your nation has backstabbed us and used terrorism as a tool to open up proxy warfare front against us. How can you keep doing that and expect us to have diplomatic and cricketing ties with you?

We want nothing to do with Pakistan or Pakistanis until they really learn to behave respectfully and responsibly.
 
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Bhaijaan said:
We would have had all thy relationships that two good neighbours must have but your nation has backstabbed us and used terrorism as a tool to open up proxy warfare front against us. How can you keep doing that and expect us to have diplomatic and cricketing ties with you?

Your people have time and again spoken against Hinduism crossing all lines of decency.

We want nothing to do with Pakistan or Pakistanis until they really learn to behave respectfully and responsibly.
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Yeah we don't need any diplomatic ties with you
 
Dossier this dossier that. These Indians talk like they’re saints. Pakistan delivered the same dossier of Indian sponsored terrorism to the UN. All India did was deny it, but when Pakistan will come back and say the same thing Indians will go bonkers.
 
offstump said:
Dossier this dossier that. These Indians talk like they’re saints. Pakistan delivered the same dossier of Indian sponsored terrorism to the UN. All India did was deny it, but when Pakistan will come back and say the same thing Indians will go bonkers.
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They pretend they are Americans and Israelis and think they are the source of truth. We all know what they really are :ROFLMAO:
 
Pakistan delusion fan's are must watch Najam Sethi latest interview to understand how is the PCB in big trouble if they not accept the hybrid model
 
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offstump said:
You are watching more Pakistani content than Pakistanis.
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Just wait for few more days ( less than a week) . You will get big reality check like all others delusion pakistan fan's. :kp
 
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Cricket Warrior said:
truth is bitter but it's still the truth.
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And Najam Sethi is not just any ordinary person ,he was chairman of PCB for multiple time .he has enough experience with ICC.

So when someone is suggest something important than take it very seriously instead laughing.

PCB is a big institution and they cant take any decision based on public emotions instead logical .
 
AGREE that India Play all games at neutral venue, EXCEPT THE FINAL where they fly in for the game, directly onto the ground
 
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