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Waiting for your reason.. meanwhile everyone is relaxed bunch if indians running back and forth like clownsOk. Turn down the ICC offer.
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Waiting for your reason.. meanwhile everyone is relaxed bunch if indians running back and forth like clownsOk. Turn down the ICC offer.
and once agin it would make PCB behavior acceptable becos?You don't know the diffrence between a world tournament and a hero cup lol
Waiting for your reason.. meanwhile everyone is relaxed bunch if indians running back and forth like clowns
I don't see pakistanis going on various forums and crying about it. It's only the indianPakistanis are running back and forth.
Indians know that CT will be played with India playing it games away from Pakistan.
You don't know the diffrence between a world tournament and a hero cup lol
New movie coming produced by karan johar the plot is
The evil PCB refused to travel to India to play some hero cup, BBCI worked hard for 30 years got financially strongly and took its revenge in an ICC tournament.
I have cheated on u in nursery due to my innocence but u r doing it in masters being a cold blooded blood ****** monsterthat would make a difference becos...?
You guys are obsessed with pakistan poor youYou guys are hung on Bollywood. Poor you.
You guys are obsessed with pakistan poor you
I don't see pakistanis going on various forums and crying about it. It's only the indian
As evident by the scores of Muslims 'oppressed' in India who are desperate to move to Pakistan.You guys are obsessed with pakistan poor you
OK just be quiet and sit down then I don't see pakistani talking about it only few indian clowns jumping up and down. If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting in this threadWe don't even want to go to Pakistan.
OK just be quiet and sit down then I don't see pakistani talking about it only few indian clowns jumping up and down. If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting in this thread
You have the most posts on this topic and then you make it out you don't care
What will be Pakistan reason to forfeit the game against India in UAE?3. Agree With Hybrid Model and keep same group. but when time comes , forfeit India game and refuse to travel. in That case Pakistan will only loose 2 points but they get to host trophy and keep their pride. it will be big embarrassment for ICC without attracting any adverse action from ICC in middle of tournament. If india and Pakistan reach final which is unlikely , Pakistan Should forfeit that too and embarrass ICC further without any adverse action. Teams have forfeit matches in Past.
Because Pakistanis dnt want to see India Pakistan play at neutral venue either because India does Not want to travel to Pakistan. why play at all? Indians also dnt want it. why ICC forces this down on fans of both countries?What will be Pakistan reason to forfeit the game against India in UAE?
as far official reason , PCB can hide behind Government instructions same as BCCI. Force MajeourWhat will be Pakistan reason to forfeit the game against India in UAE?
That's not good enough reason , pakistan will need very strong reasons otherwise ICC will impose penalty on PCBBecause Pakistanis dnt want to see India Pakistan play at neutral venue either because India does Not want to travel to Pakistan. why play at all? Indians also dnt want it. why ICC forces this down on fans of both countries?
Thats where pakistan fans don't know the rules, instead talking emotional. I was expecting the same answer this is why i asked you .as far official reason , PCB can hide behind Government instructions same as BCCI. Force Majeour
What will be Pakistan reason to forfeit the game against India in UAE?
what are you talking about? There are plenty of Justifications. foremost being BCCI refused to travel on behest of their Government and so far no reason has been given. so how can you say its security? let that reason come to fore.That's not good enough reason , pakistan will need very strong reasons otherwise ICC will impose penalty on PCB
In fast whenever any team forfeit the matches they were given strong reason .
Like Australia & westindies were forfeit due to security reasons and which was justified
England was forfeited the match due to political reasons and was justified .
But what are the Pakistan reason? Pakistan can't simply say that se doesn't want to play against India at neutral venues.
This is not in ICC rulebook and they never accept this reason.
So any other solid reasons?
We are talking if Pakistan accept the hybrid models .read the whole situation .Because India refused to come to Pakistan?
UAE has nothing to do with it. Pakistan Government can Instruct PCB to cut cricketing ties with India. why would UAE officials make any issue about it?Thats where pakistan fans don't know the rules, instead talking emotional. I was expecting the same answer this is why i asked you .
Pakistan is playing the match against india IN UAE
Force majeour means security and political relations are the reason but pakistan Political Relation with UAE is very good .
And security is not a issue in UAE ,if pakistan tell ICC we have security issues than UAE shek will take off the pants of PCB official.
I already said that Pakistan need strong reason and Australia forfeit because security issue was real those days in lanka .what are you talking about? There are plenty of Justifications. foremost being BCCI refused to travel on behest of their Government and so far no reason has been given. so how can you say its security? let that reason come to fore.
Pakistan can say their Government has instructed to cut cricketing ties with India unless India agrees to travel to Pakistan.
There was no penalty when Aus forfeit to play in Lanka 1996
England forfeit in 2003
Icc did nt impose any penalty on either teams accept the penalty of loosing two points
what penalty do you think icc can impose on Pakistan when Pakistan forfeit just one game? None except stripping us of 2 points. and Pakistan are not hosting any tournament in future anyway
we are at a point where validity of reasons dnt matter anymore.We are talking if Pakistan accept the hybrid models .read the whole situation .
This reason is not valid if match is scheduled in UAE .
Pakistan agree with Hybrid model means UAE has everything to do with.UAE has nothing to do with it. Pakistan Government can Instruct PCB to cut cricketing ties with India. why would UAE officials make any issue about it?
Forfeit the match then you would know how they will faced the penalty.we are at a point where validity of reasons dnt matter anymore.
ICC will impose penalty like what?
We are talking if Pakistan accept the hybrid models .read the whole situation .
This reason is not valid if match is scheduled in UAE .
Pakistan can forfiet any matches at anywhere if they can give valid reason to ICC.I have read the whole situation.
If ICC opts for a hybrid model, Pakistan should forfeit India game to send a message.
There is no logical reason why India shouldn't come to Pakistan when 6 other teams are okay to be in Pakistan.
you seem to know that already. you can give an example of penalty? lol you are being emotional.. you should be happy that there will be no India Pak Game. Embarrassment will be for ICC. Indians will be getting 2 free points or may even end up winning the trophy without playing final that would be funForfeit the match then you would know how they will faced the penalty.
Pakistan can forfiet any matches at anywhere if they can give valid reason to ICC.
If not then they will face the senction/ Penalty .
Pakistan can't forfiet any matches without any valid reason. Read the rules .
Lol
Yes I know the rules that's why i ask the question .you seem to know that already. you can give an example of penalty? lol you are being emotional.. you should be happy that there will be no India Pak Game. Embarrassment will be for ICC. Indians will be getting 2 free points or may even end up winning the trophy without playing final that would be fun
and what are consequences? thats not in agreement?Yes I know the rules that's why i ask the question .
Pakistan already has the signed the agreement with ICC and broadcasters, etc. They can't forfiet sny match without valid reason.
Pakistan is hosting this event so they had signed the extra agreement with ICC and broadcasters .Sanction?
There is no sanction for forfeiting games.
NZ forfeited Kenya game in 2003 WC.
England forfeited Zimbabwe game in 2003 WC.
Australia forfeited SL game in 1996 WC.
Forfeiture doesn't result in sanction.
Broadcasters simply can say will not pay anything because PCB is forfiet the match against India .and what are consequences? thats not in agreement?
that is ICC problem not PCB problemBroadcasters simply can say will not pay anything because PCB is forfiet the match against India .
ICC will not give any revenue to PCB. Simple as that because they broke the agreement.that is ICC problem not PCB problem
ICC will not give any revenue to PCB. Simple as that because they broke the agreement.
well thats the whole point. how would they give us anything when Broadcasters dnt give anything to ICC?ICC will not give any revenue to PCB. Simple as that because they broke the agreement.
Yes I know that's why i said . When you don't know its better to not discussion on this matter .Did ICC tell you that?
Stop acting like the spokesperson for ICC.
Then you first need to read the revenue distribution model of ICC.well thats the whole point. how would they give us anything when Broadcasters dnt give anything to ICC?
Then you first need to read the revenue distribution model of ICC.
as far official reason , PCB can hide behind Government instructions same as BCCI. Force Majeour
there is no agreement between Broadcasters and PCB on anything..that is between icc and broadcasters. so no clause of penalty can come into play
Maximum ICC can do is reduce Pakistan share from Distribution model. but that will happen for every other board since no revenue was collected because of no Indo Pak game.
its not the concern of PCB only to protect the interests of Broadcasters. Its the Job of ICC.
BCCI just stated that they can't play in Pakistan due to non clearence from GOI.In a normal world, people don’t make a fuss over a tournament they turned down themselves.
India’s just looking for attention here. Saying, "Let us play somewhere else, or we’re not sharing the money"
just comes off as desperate from their side.
do you see the fallacy of this argument?PCB is getting any money from ICC because they agreed to play matches. If they don't play matches they won't get paid. They may be replaced as well.
Next time ICC will demand that PCB guarantee in writing from their government their team's participation in all scheduled matches. Failing which ICC will replace Pakistan.
ICC will also deduct money from PCB for failing to show up for scheduled matches.
PCB has signed an agreement to host and participate in the matches. If there is a force majeure PCB can inform the ICC now.
PCB isn't a strong board in the ICC.
Icc will demand? they told you that? did nt pcb also demand that last year when agreeing to visit India for cwc 2023 and India Guarantees its visit to Pak for CT? did they get that gurantee?Next time ICC will demand that PCB guarantee in writing from their government their team's participation in all scheduled matches. Failing which ICC will replace Pakistan.
ICC will also deduct money from PCB for failing to show up for scheduled matches.
PCB has signed an agreement to host and participate in the matches. If there is a force majeure PCB can inform the ICC now.
PCB isn't a strong board in the ICC.
Yes absolutely fineBCCI just stated that they can't play in Pakistan due to non clearence from GOI.
Bcci spokesmen like you and the rest of you of clowns jumping up and down about it for few days nowLet us play somewhere or not sharing money..... In these subjects, BCCI hasn't made any comment. This is speculation and projection of you and other ppers and not reality.
If you beg to differ, then can you quote where BCCI made statements of sharing revenue?
money is out of question when there is none to give once indo pak game does nt happen. if pcb decides that , loosing money will be part of it. its a consequence that pcb will be willing to accept if they take that routePCB is getting any money from ICC because they agreed to play matches. If they don't play matches they won't get paid. They may be replaced as well.
So you don't have any source to backup your claim?Yes absolutely fine
Bcci spokesmen like you and the rest of you of clowns jumping up and down about it for few days now
Why not just shut up and sit down untill something official from ICC PCB and BCCI
Next time ICC will demand that PCB guarantee in writing from their government their team's participation in all scheduled matches. Failing which ICC will replace Pakistan.
ICC will also deduct money from PCB for failing to show up for scheduled matches.
PCB has signed an agreement to host and participate in the matches. If there is a force majeure PCB can inform the ICC now.
PCB isn't a strong board in the ICC.
money is out of question when there is none to give once indo pak game does nt happen. if pcb decides that , loosing money will be part of it. its a consequence that pcb will be willing to accept if they take that route
no such rules in icc to replace a team because of one match forfeiture
money is out of question when there is none to give once indo pak game does nt happen. if pcb decides that , loosing money will be part of it. its a consequence that pcb will be willing to accept if they take that route
no such rules in icc to replace a team because of one match forfeiture
Try replacing PCB with BCCi and Pakistan with India in your paragraph above and you’ll see the farcical situation we are in today..
Anyway ICC cannot force anyone to play all their games in ICC tournaments.. it certainly did not occur in the 2003 WC when multiple countries refused to play against Zimbabwe nor Kenya
Neither do ICC have the authority to kick anyone out unless they refuse to participate in the tournament altogether..
do you see the fallacy of this argument?
you are talking about matches.. we are talking about just one game. ind vs Pak .. surely pcb will be aware that forfeiture would mean loss of income. part of it.. not all. but that will happen for other boards. how much Disney Star expect to earn from indo Pak games out of 3 Billion they paid to ICC? i would guess it to be around 30% .. thats gonna be a big loss for icc not just pcb.
so if Pak refuses to play India , ICC stands to loose because of that. so they will replace us? lol replace us for what? forfeiture does nt attract any such penalty. thats what you think or its written somewhere?
Icc will demand? they told you that? did nt pcb also demand that last year when agreeing to visit India for cwc 2023 and India Guarantees its visit to Pak for CT? did they get that gurantee?
why are you giving scenarios that require PcB to do everything to ensure ICC’s interests but same things dnt apply to BCCI?
BCCI is strong board so that means rules dnt apply to them? is that what you mean here?
But then ICC can also demand that BCCI also guarantee in writing from their govt their team's participation in all scheduled matches. Failing which ICC will replace India.
No India means for every match India will not play, ICC will lose money.do you see the fallacy of this argument?
you are talking about matches.. we are talking about just one game. ind vs Pak .. surely pcb will be aware that forfeiture would mean loss of income. part of it.. not all. but that will happen for other boards. how much Disney Star expect to earn from indo Pak games out of 3 Billion they paid to ICC? i would guess it to be around 30% .. thats gonna be a big loss for icc not just pcb.
so if Pak refuses to play India , ICC stands to loose because of that. so they will replace us? lol replace us for what? forfeiture does nt attract any such penalty. thats what you think or its written somewhere?
No… It is schadenfreude. ngl, it is fun seeing the cope, when India refuses to travel to Pakistan.I don't see pakistanis going on various forums and crying about it. It's only the indian
It’s actually obsession and it’s unhealthy.No… It is schadenfreude. ngl, it is fun seeing the cope, when India refuses to travel to Pakistan.
If PCB is capable, host CT without India.
The problem is PCB is not capable and relies on alms by Indian Cricket council.
Ohh sorry that you were living under a rock. India and Pakistan are adversaries in a zero sum game.Just highlighting the phony excuse of security issues given by the BCCI. The real reason has been revealed many times by the Indian posters in these threads, and that is to damage Pakistan by any means necessary.
Im not mistaken by anything.It is your
You are mistaken if you think Indian market won't watch the match if Pakistan is absent. As long as indians watch money will come.
No such allowance to teams to skip matches whenever they want. There is something called the MPA.
Im not mistaken by anything.
you are making lot of Assumptions. Foremost being icc will replace Pakistan with other team if Pakistan forfeits the match against India. there is no basis to do that. if Indian Market can match the revenues of Indo Pak Game with team like SL , ICC can simply shuffle the groups to ensure all India matches take place. Pakistan can agree to Hybrid Model and ask icc to change their group.. will icc do that? so far there is no basis to believe so. ICC has been consistently fixing the groups since 2013. why do you think that is the case?
We are waiting anxiouslyActually, according to Yogi Adityanath Kashmir will all be India’s in about 5 days or so.
that bridge will be crossed if it comes to that. no guarantees. it will be PCB and decision of Pak Government if they allow it.What about a knockout match? Will Pakistan play India in a knockout?
if ICC does its job Right , That being custodian of the game .. and not act like a commercial partner of BCCi , these problems would never arise. ICC should put its foot down and put and end to this by saying no team can refuse to travel to host country or get ready to be replaced. the loss would be just one tournament but this stupidity will end for futureNo India means for every match India will not play, ICC will lose money.
No pakistan means for every match Pakistan will not play, ICC will lose money.
It's not about 1 match rather span over multiple.
You make the conclusion where ICC will lose more and who has more leverage.
that bridge will be crossed if it comes to that. no guarantees. it will be PCB and decision of Pak Government if they allow it.
Did bcci give any guarantees that they will play matches in Pak? if they can skip MPA signs for Ct 2025 , surely Pakistan can hold off the MPA signs for T20 2026. Pcb would be just following the footsteps of BCCi
Did BCCI objected to be replaced?if ICC does its job Right , That being custodian of the game .. and not act like a commercial partner of BCCi , these problems would never arise. ICC should put its foot down and put and end to this by saying no team can refuse to travel to host country or get ready to be replaced. the loss would be just one tournament but this stupidity will end for future
if ICC does its job Right , That being custodian of the game .. and not act like a commercial partner of BCCi , these problems would never arise. ICC should put its foot down and put and end to this by saying no team can refuse to travel to host country or get ready to be replaced. the loss would be just one tournament but this stupidity will end for future
as a Pakistani we would not want that, we would rather forfeit the game than to travel as host to accommodate mighty Indian team. but its upto PCB and Government. if they do decide to forfeit , there is no penalty in rules book of icc other than reduction in revenue share which shall be fine with pcbWe are talking about CT 2025. 2026 T20WC is far away. Sure Pakistan can decide to not come to India for any matches.
Will Pakistan play India in a knockout in CT 2025 if its played in a hybrid mode?
you miss the point. when you act as a custodian of the game and not commercial partner of member board , 90% or 100% source of revenue does nt matterWho will replace the 90 per cent revenue that comes from India? Find a replacement for that and India can be replaced.
im talking about ICC and their response not BCCIDid BCCI objected to be replaced?
as a Pakistani we would not want that, we would rather forfeit the game than to travel as host to accommodate mighty Indian team. but its upto PCB and Government. if they do decide to forfeit , there is no penalty in rules book of icc other than reduction in revenue share which shall be fine with pcb
Do you really think this model is sustainable?you miss the point. when you act as a custodian of the game and not commercial partner of member board , 90% or 100% source of revenue does nt matter