South Africa (615 & 58/0) defeat Pakistan (194 & 478) by 10 wickets in the second Test to accomplish the series whitewash by 2-0

[RedwoodOriginal]

It was a nice effort but reality was always going to come crashing down in the end.

 

[Omer2002]

I have no sympathy what so ever for this defeat..batting was pathetic and as always every single wicket was a gift.

Reality is we should have won the first test.

On a negative side it was such a batting paradise all the mediocre batters will get more chances for their lovely 30s 20s they scored

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Shan Masood on Positives from this series during the presentation ceremony:

"A lot of good things. We did very well in Centurion, didn't close out in crunch situations. We didn't start well with both bat and ball. We folded early on a really nice surface. The fightback, those are the responses you look for. We need to learn how to win crucial moments. We've been good with the adversity. In the England series, we bounced back. You trust your players to learn the hard way."

 

[Rana]

“Shukri Conrad

We make you look good”

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan needs X factor players playing for "their" team.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan needs X factor players playing for "their" team.

Rizwan’s shots are triple X factor

 

[mazkhan]

Best idea moving forward is replacing shan masood

Dont be fooled by this performance in 2nd innings by masood and Babar


It's clear to me these guy aren't yk , or yusuf heck even kami and razzaq have won tests for us.

It's just a stat padded 100 on what was a complete road of a pitch.

 

[MMHS]

Am not sure you follow the current affairs as closely and the scorecard analysis does’t really paint a vivid picture of the damage he is causing the team on & off the pitch, vast majority still support the fallacy of his performances. No spot should be secure in any team, just due to a specialist position, playing a loose shot and getting out is one thing, but insanity is doing the same thing again & again, getting out during key moments repeatedly shouldn’t be wiped under rug. I don’t buy this argument there is no one better, if there isn’t you groom them, what if Rizwan gets hit by a bus tomorrow god forbid ? Are we going to position his corpse behind the stumps ?

There is a clear lack of capability, but that you can't build a team if you judge only by the failures.
Often people make a mistake of diluting between capability and willingness or approach. I read a common complain that why PAK players can't score at 12+/over during Power Play.... because or why PAK players can't rotate strike in middle overs...... because Misbah taught them tuk tuk and they are very selfish. Why PAK pacers can't use new ball .... because they are focused on reverse swing ....etc.

Reality is - there is a massive lack of capability at individual skill level; you have to form a team/squad within that limitations - otherwise, you'll be dropping players every alternate day. Not only Rizwan, every PAK player is failing in key moments for most of the time, hence team is at this level. Just like Rizwan, I can also say Babar played a poor shot after scoring 58, in fact he got out at wrong time after scoring 80+ in 2nd time. Last Test, he had a golden opportunity to win the Test - failed at wrong time .... PAK bowlers couldn't defend 50+ with last 2 wickets remaining on a tricky wicket... more than that allowed Liton to add 240+ from 25/6 (since then guy has scored 15/16 single digit ) ... These are all failures at the key moment, by others players.

But, Rizwan led PAK ODI team very well in AUS & SAF - won 5 of the 6 games. I can bet not a single one here including me gave him any chance. No player should be secured indeed, but in that scrutiny, probably only player that deserved a continuous 10+ years career was Bradman (even then, he has 39 under 50 innings, of which 23 are single digit - out of career inning of 80) - you have to look a player over a certain period. It's not easy to replace a world class WK with 40+ average in every format even for a team like Australia. Alex Carey is AUS WK for 4-5 years now.... because Aussies know what KPI should be set for a player - though his stats read

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR
Tests	37	55	6	1555	111	31.73	2567	60.57
ODIs	76	69	12	1978	106	34.70	2206	89.66
T20Is	38	26	5	233	37*	11.09	215	108.37

Aussies will take Rizwan for their Test & ODI team with both hands & legs - trust me.

Regarding Rizwan gets hit by a bus - indeed can happen. But that can happen to any one - PAK won't stop playing cricket if Babar is hit by a bus either..... won't have stopped either had Imran couldn't make a comeback after 1982 stress fracture.

 

[Rana]

Aussies will take Rizwan for their Test & ODI team with both hands & legs - trust me

Yeah let’s trust you….








Who are you again?

 

[MMHS]

Yeah let’s trust you….








Who are you again?

Some who at least understands the difference between Rizwan & Gilchrist .... unfortunately.

 

[Rana]

Some who at least understands the difference between Rizwan & Gilchrist .... unfortunately.

Well, no you don’t in your mind.

What was your MVP argument about him again in your mind? Let’s hear it lest I misquote you.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Proper thrashing this. Never at a single moment you felt like Pakistan were even in a position to compete.

 

[MMHS]

Well, no you don’t in your mind.

What was your MVP argument about him again in your mind? Let’s hear it lest I misquote you.

I see one more quality of yours - "Mind reader".

I have my arguments about Rizwan in many threads in PP - please be our guests to read those. You are not worthy enough for my time to repeat.

 

[Rana]

I see one more quality of yours - "Mind reader".

I have my arguments about Rizwan in many threads in PP - please be our guests to read those. You are not worthy enough for my time to repeat.

Just asking you nicely about the MVP comment. I can’t be arsed to ready your 6000 word sentences which have more twists and turns than a bond movie.

I just need to pick out the one liners which expose your overall agenda (and nonsense basically).

Man up and restate that MVP argument alluding to Rizwan. This is my cricket team which I have followed dearly since 2003. The information that is spread in relation to it has to be correct, and not deceitful or misleading.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well, no you don’t in your mind.

What was your MVP argument about him again in your mind? Let’s hear it lest I misquote you.

Any moron who has the gall to claim rizzu replaces any wk bat from aus has lost their minds. Aus would never ever allow it

 

[sweep_shot]

T20 series: SA won 2-0.
ODI series: Pakistan won 3-0.
Test series: SA won 2-0.

4-3 to South Africa overall.

 

[psyoptica]

Watching SA bat, I understand why Shan scored 140 and Babar 80 odd.

They were stat padding on a pancake.

Utterly disgraceful how a 29 Average batsmen is not only accepted in the team but made to lead the team. Tells you about the standards of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Rana]

Any moron who has the gall to claim rizzu replaces any wk bat from aus has lost their minds. Aus would never ever allow it

Well let’s hear this self proclaimed expert who ‘understands cricket’ explain his argument from his own mouth.

 

[MMHS]

Just asking you nicely about the MVP comment. I can’t be arsed to ready your 6000 word sentences which have more twists and turns than a bond movie.

I just need to pick out the one liners which expose your overall agenda (and nonsense basically).

Man up and restate that MVP argument alluding to Rizwan. This is my cricket team which I have followed dearly since 2003. The information that is spread in relation to it has to be correct, and not deceitful or misleading.

Try to understand the abbreviation of MVP first and at what context it's used - then try to figure out in three formats which players from PAK team can fit into that. You should find yourself.

 

[jnaveen1980]

What are the net positives for Pakistan from this test series?

 

[Rana]

Try to understand the abbreviation of MVP first and at what context it's used - then try to figure out in three formats which players from PAK team can fit into that. You should find yourself.

Just say the comment,

What is the meaning of:

-Rizwan
-MVP
-Pakistan

Simple as that, state your argument!

 

[jnaveen1980]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1876234837671203129

Congrats Shan for joining this list

 

[MMHS]

Just say the comment,

What is the meaning of:

-Rizwan
-MVP
-Pakistan

Simple as that, state your argument!

I'll write something about Rizwan, no worries... but not here, because it'll be lost in match thread.

 

[Mahee]

Pakistan cricket is on the rise and Indian cricket is going down

 

[Cricket Warrior]

what an innings shan maqsood played . Brilliant hundread. People questioning him his captancy ,batting and sacking. He silenced all critics.

whats the point if u are not winning games?

 

[The Scorer]

Losing by 10 wickets is not a "fightbacK",

 

[MMHS]

Any moron who has the gall to claim rizzu replaces any wk bat from aus has lost their minds. Aus would never ever allow it

That's a bit uncalled for... as I posted the career stats of Alex Carey, let me do it again

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	37	55	6	1555	111	31.73	2567	60.57	1	9	170	10	141	14
ODIs	76	69	12	1978	106	34.70	2206	89.66	1	10	182	22	84	8
T20Is	38	26	5	233	37*	11.09	215	108.37	0	0	19	7	19	9

Then let me post another guy's stats

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	36	59	9	2039	171*	40.78	3751	54.35	3	10	214	15	93	7
ODIs	83	74	17	2352	131*	41.26	2652	88.68	3	15	200	29	93	3
T20Is	106	93	21	3414	104*	47.41	2723	125.37	1	30	285	95	55	12

Australia has allowed the first guy to play 150+ games for them ..... it'll be indeed moronic not to pick the second guy, had he been eligible.


Now, there could an argument - why with first guy, Aussies have won so many and the second guys team hasn't won near about that - answer is very simple.... cricket is a team game and there are other 10 players in it. And that only tells, Aussies would have been even better had they could replace the first guy with the second one.

 

[Rana]

whats the point if u are not winning games?

I suppose Pakistan had an unbeaten record at Cape Town which Shan forfeited

 

[Kianig89]

Shan Masood needs to shown the door, 2 wins out of 10. Pakistan cricket into Dustbin under his command

 

[mominsaigol]

That's a bit uncalled for... as I posted the career stats of Alex Carey, let me do it again

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	37	55	6	1555	111	31.73	2567	60.57	1	9	170	10	141	14
ODIs	76	69	12	1978	106	34.70	2206	89.66	1	10	182	22	84	8
T20Is	38	26	5	233	37*	11.09	215	108.37	0	0	19	7	19	9

Then let me post another guy's stats

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	36	59	9	2039	171*	40.78	3751	54.35	3	10	214	15	93	7
ODIs	83	74	17	2352	131*	41.26	2652	88.68	3	15	200	29	93	3
T20Is	106	93	21	3414	104*	47.41	2723	125.37	1	30	285	95	55	12

Australia has allowed the first guy to play 150+ games for them ..... it'll be indeed moronic not to pick the second guy, had he been eligible.


Now, there could an argument - why with first guy, Aussies have won so many and the second guys team hasn't won near about that - answer is very simple.... cricket is a team game and there are other 10 players in it. And that only tells, Aussies would have been even better had they could replace the first guy with the second one.

Except for the fact that Carey bats at no 7 and bats lower down the order at every format.

Rizwan avg 11 at no 7. Secondly stats don't tell you the entire story.

Carey has recently played match winning innings for Australia especially in the England odi series.

Rizwan has been a circus clown in tests and t20. Tbf he has done well in odi in recent games.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Pakistan's highest Test total against South Africa - a monumental effort after the follow-on

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan's highest Test total against South Africa - a monumental effort after the follow-on

View attachment 149397

They should cut a cake before returning to Pakistan .

What a fightback sir .

 

[Rana]

Australia has allowed the first guy to play 150+ games for them ..... it'll be indeed moronic not to pick the second guy, had he been eligible.

Because the second guy would never have made it through their system in the first place. And if he had, he wouldn’t be a juvenile mindset cricketer. Rizwan going through the system in Australia would not have turned out as the immature, comic relief of a player that we witness now. They are brutal when it comes to individual development, and nor would he have clear cut issues on the off side.

It’s moronic to think Rizwan as we see know would be the product of Australian cricket.

 

[Rana]

Saying Rizwan would be picked by Australia over Carey is like saying James Cameron would cast Govinda over Leonardo Di Caprio in Titanic.

 

[Farabi]

Have to praise PAK batting here - with Saim batting, could have saved or even threaten a win here!!! However, bowling choices were atrocious - apart from PAK 1st innings, this track has produced 1000+ runs for 15 wickets at 4+ rate.... not sure what PAK tank was thinking for choosing a military medium bowling line-up with couple of part-time spinners.

Ideally, here PAK attack should have been Naseem, Shaheen, Abbas/Hamza and one specialist spinner who takes ball away from right-handers (SLAO or Right arm Leggi), backed by Aga.

Also, I think ICC needs to amend substitution law - along with concussion, if a player is injured serious enough not to take part further in the game, a similar replacement should be allowed.

Riz gone, but still Aga can save this Test with a 150 here, but PAK tail has to grind it out in middle - SAF won't like to chase over 170 here.

In a nation obsessed with pace, I know I’m in the minority. But since this fixation is our downfall, I’ll happily take the flak and continue being the broken record on this topic—the sobering voice reminding everyone that fast food (and faster bowling) isn’t always good for you.

There’s no solid evidence that more pace is more effective on flat tracks. In fact, it’s often the opposite—the ball just comes onto the bat even more nicely. Pakistan has leaked runs at 6 RPO even with Shaheen and Naseem steaming in. Have we forgotten the mauling by England before they were sidelined?

And let’s not pretend high pace guarantees success elsewhere. South Africa’s 140+ KPH crew got dispatched by Shan Masood & Co., who put up 480 runs with a batter missing. So where was that “extra pace” when it mattered?

Test cricket is about pacers with control and variations. If you have this, then pace CAN be an added weapon.

Cc: @TheSultan

 

[khyberlion]

That's a bit uncalled for... as I posted the career stats of Alex Carey, let me do it again

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	37	55	6	1555	111	31.73	2567	60.57	1	9	170	10	141	14
ODIs	76	69	12	1978	106	34.70	2206	89.66	1	10	182	22	84	8
T20Is	38	26	5	233	37*	11.09	215	108.37	0	0	19	7	19	9

Then let me post another guy's stats

Format	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100s	50s	4s	6s	Ct	St
Tests	36	59	9	2039	171*	40.78	3751	54.35	3	10	214	15	93	7
ODIs	83	74	17	2352	131*	41.26	2652	88.68	3	15	200	29	93	3
T20Is	106	93	21	3414	104*	47.41	2723	125.37	1	30	285	95	55	12

Australia has allowed the first guy to play 150+ games for them ..... it'll be indeed moronic not to pick the second guy, had he been eligible.


Now, there could an argument - why with first guy, Aussies have won so many and the second guys team hasn't won near about that - answer is very simple.... cricket is a team game and there are other 10 players in it. And that only tells, Aussies would have been even better had they could replace the first guy with the second one.

I wouldn't waste my time with such posters. These same posters think a guy with a fluke 40 odd who can't even get into our awfully poor domestics teams is better than rizwan.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Saying Rizwan would be picked by Australia over Carey is like saying James Cameron would cast Govinda over Leonardo Di Caprio in Titanic.

Only Govinda type people will pick Alex Carey over Rizwan.

It was not a great series yet again for Pakistan and due to Shan's century, we have to bear him for couple of years more now...

 

[mominsaigol]

I wouldn't waste my time with such posters. These same posters think a guy with a fluke 40 odd who can't even get into our awfully poor domestics teams is better than rizwan.

Firstly never claimed that. Your buddy bewal express lied about it. I have asked him for proof and he never provided it to me.

Secondly tired of your KPK alts 24/7.