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South Africa A v India A | 1st unofficial Test | Rustenburg | Aug 17-20, 2013

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Kiwi said:
It's a futile attempt from the BCCI's behalf, if they think the wickets will be anything like this they're in a for a surprise come December/January.
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And that, sound and fury aside, is precisely my fear and precisely what I referred to earlier.

Not a futile attempt, though. Had to be tried, IMO.
 
Kiwi said:
It's a futile attempt from the BCCI's behalf, if they think the wickets will be anything like this they're in a for a surprise come December/January.
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How you'd love to see that? I can already see the glee.

Its amazing to see some people going to depths they'd in order to sook about India. If they don't do anything to prepare for that tour, then we'd hear sermons like BCCI don't care about test cricket and if they send their 2-3 test bats on a 'A' tour, months prior to that tour, all hell would break lose.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.
 
ST1998 said:
lol at your assumptions!!

How do you know that anyone would've cried even if Steyn would've been unleashed on these Indian batsmen? In fact, we'd have welcomed that move as that'd have given at least Dhawan and Pujara match practice against him. That'd have been priceless from Indian point of view.
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This.

I'd much rather have our bats facing up to Steyn in preparation for the coming series versus surprise - Steyn!, rather than Wayne Parnell and an 'ACR Birch' who're prattling up and down in this game and getting smacked for 582:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/630769.html

Another obvious fact that sadly needs to be stated and further, clarified.
 
KIC said:
Why was David Warner included in the Australia A team? Wasn't it because he did not get enough match practice ahead of the Ashes due to being banned? He was very much part of Australia's test XI.
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That's a good point too.
 
ST1998 said:
Is there a rule in ICC rulebooks that only test discards/upcoming talents could play in 'A' games?
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And players who've punched an opponent in a bar. Those ones get to make the A-side too.
 
India can send who ever they like, also didn't Australia send Khawaja and Smith to England for an Australian A tour before the ashes?
 
Let alone A tours, it is ok for people like Random Aussie when the likes of Strauss play for club teams that face the touring teams in practice matches to get a head start
 
Why is this even an issue? Any team can play any player they want to, unless and until he is dodgy. Its like in gully cricket, you spare the youngest player from facing fast bowlers.

I saw Ozgod sooking a lot about the composition of India 'A' team in the tri series final thread. Honestly, why would someone sook about the composition of an opposite team, is beyond me.
 
This is the team we have chosen to play the matches against NZ A at home. We wouldn't mind if the Kiwis send their test squad ;)

India A Test squad: Abhishek Nayar (capt), Jiwanjot Singh, Unmukt Chand, Vijay Zol, Manprit Juneja, V. Jagdish, C.M. Gautham (wk), Dhawal Kulkarni, Imtiaz Ahmed, Aniket Choudhary, Shrikant Wagh, Jalaj Saxena, Rakesh Dhruv, Sarabjeet Ladda.

India A ODI squad: Unmukt Chand (capt), Robin Uthappa, Aditya Tare (wk), Kedar Jadhav, Mandeep Singh, Ashok Menaria, Sanju Vishwanadh, Sachin Baby, Dhawal Kulkarni, Basant Mohanty, Sandeep Sharma, Shrikant Wagh, Rahul Sharma, Jalaj Saxena
 
Thanks for pointing this out. So there is another reason for India playing some of their top test/ODI players on this 'A' tour as they've quite a few players busy in other engagements like this upcoming assignment against NZ 'A' at home or that ongoing U-23 series in S'pore.

You can't please everyone so better to do things which are beneficial for your own good rather than what cynics would say about you.
 
We should have really sent some youngsters (inexperienced and promising - Mandeep Singh kind).. this is turning into a dull affair
 
Kiwi said:
Zol should have been given a go a real waste really.
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Who thought it'd be like this. People rate South African A side (bench strength) so highly, you'd think they can beat many National sides easily.. But the situation is quite opposite
 
Zol is part of the A team to play the Kiwis later this month. In any case, these bowlers are all non regulars.
 
Sandeep99 said:
Who thought it'd be like this. People rate South African A side (bench strength) so highly, you'd think they can beat many National sides easily.. But the situation is quite opposite
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Who on earth said that lol? That's one of their weaknesses :asadrauf
 
Kiwi said:
Who on earth said that lol? That's one of their weaknesses :asadrauf
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It is a general opinion. When the likes of Kyle Abbott were plucking test match batsmen (though weak ones at that) like fruits, many (including me) thought they have a great back up.. But Champions trophy and these A tour matches suggest otherwise
 
Sandeep99 said:
It is a general opinion. When the likes of Kyle Abbott were plucking test match batsmen (though weak ones at that) like fruits, many (including me) thought they have a great back up.. But Champions trophy and these A tour matches suggest otherwise
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Pakistan makes legends out of average bowlers...
 
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South Africa A is 256/6

Bowler Overs Maidens Runs Wicket
JD Unadkat 14 4 27 1 1.92
Mohammed Shami 12 2 41 1 3.41
S Nadeem 24 4 88 1 3.66 (1w)
IC Pandey 12 3 30 2 2.50 (1w)
SK Raina 9 2 25 1 2.77
RG Sharma 9.3 1 24 0 2.52


Not bad at all :))) ...IndianA bowlers deliver on a track where SA bowlers conceded 500+ to Indian batters ....this on South African tracks in South africa

So is the track flat.....If it is then Indians bowlers bowled well I guess :)
If the track is bouncy ...then batters coped South African bowlers well :)
 
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Impressive stuff from Indian batters. Can they do it against Steyn and Philander? Would be amazing if India can match these efforts when it matters.
 
312 for 9 . Impressive show by the bowlers , more so by Pandey from MP .
 
mithun_minhas said:
Impressive stuff from Indian batters. Can they do it against Steyn and Philander? Would be amazing if India can match these efforts when it matters.
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Our batsmen should resist the new ball and build it from there. I always believed that the likes of Rohit, Kohi are suspect to lateral movement than bounce (Raina). Survive and score should be the motto.
 
Kiwi said:
India A absolutely crushing SA A
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Not a surprise though, just look at the line-ups. India has pretty much played their test top order and have experience guys like Rohit Sharma and Suresh Raina in the line-up. On the other hand SA dosent even have one player who is a starter in the test team.
 
Professor said:
Not a surprise though, just look at the line-ups. India has pretty much played their test top order and have experience guys like Rohit Sharma and Suresh Raina in the line-up. On the other hand SA dosent even have one player who is a starter in the test team.
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Rohit and Raina are starters in the Test team?

Dean Elgar was in last SA test XI too
 
Saurav said:
Rohit and Raina are starters in the Test team?

Dean Elgar was in last SA test XI too
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Read my post again i said India has starters in the top order(Vijay,Dhawan and Pujara is pretty much your test top order, or am i wrong) and experienced international cricketers like Raina and Sharma in the middle order. I am not taking anything away from India but its quite obvious India is pretty much playing a international level team while SA mostly have players who are either new or don't have a place in the starting line-up(barring JP and to some extent Elgar)
 
Professor said:
Read my post again i said India has starters in the top order(Vijay,Dhawan and Pujara is pretty much your test top order, or am i wrong) and experienced international cricketers like Raina and Sharma in the middle order. I am not taking anything away from India but its quite obvious India is pretty much playing a international level team while SA mostly have players who are either new or don't have a place in the starting line-up(barring JP and to some extent Elgar)
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I agree we should have gone for youngsters.I think they are preparing them for SA tour

Its also SA's home pitch so it evens out :D
 
youngsters ?
this is what a teams are like all the players who are not established are playing
pujara is exception here but otherwise rohit has still not made debut and raina will always get these games but even he is not established
one opener has just played one match and other needs experience outside india
bowling is pretty green too and saffer bowling easily is more experienced
 
lets see south africa a team
abbot has played a test
duminy is easily more experienced in tests than raina or atleast as much
elgar was in south africa main team recently
parnell is also in scheme of things and has played matches
wicket keepers are about same both 2nd or 3rd choice

ontong has been around for long time no ?

yeah batting wise indian looks more experienced but that is only because we were forced to push youngsters and some how openers clicked in last series otherwise this is good strong a side and tbh aussie a side which played series here before this had even more test players including david warner :winky:
 
^Good to see.

If this were a match in the Ranji Trophy, the team would have batted and taken first innings points. Useless rule with no incentive to play for an outright win. I am not sure too many young players in India get enough experience in situations where they are running against the clock to dismiss another side or trying to play a match saving innings.

It is good to see the decision makers trying to give these youngsters a taste of such things.
 
75 overs remain in the day . If we can pick up 5 or 6 wickets it would be a good show by the A team .
 
RR Hendricks b Pandey 4 (1m 3b 1x4 0x6) . Pandey our best bowler in the match beyond doubt .
 
Truly disgusting stuff this... It's an A game, get your batsmen some match practice :facepalm:
 
Kiwi said:
Pujara, Rohit and Vijay should have been give more time to bat :facepalm: who cares if you win some meaningless game against a bunch of rookies?
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they are already certainties.What we need is bowlers.so good to see Pandey and Shami doing well.hope they get selected
 
Saurav said:
they are already certainties.What we need is bowlers.so good to see Pandey and Shami doing well.hope they get selected
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You don't get it, these guys will play no part in December/January there is no point in giving them more time when the other players need it more.
 
Saurav said:
they are already certainties.What we need is bowlers.so good to see Pandey and Shami doing well.hope they get selected
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These bowlers will never be a part of our line-up, atleast for the SA tour. Our batsmen however would have benefited.
 
Kiwi said:
Why were players like Pujara, Rohit and Vijay sent? Choosing to enforce the follow on is defeating the purpose of sending these players over in the first place :facepalm:
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They already got good practise in the 1st dig.plus we have another test left so it is not like this was the last chance to bat.
I say go for the win and get ur confidence up!
 
KIC said:
^Good to see.

If this were a match in the Ranji Trophy, the team would have batted and taken first innings points. Useless rule with no incentive to play for an outright win. I am not sure too many young players in India get enough experience in situations where they are running against the clock to dismiss another side or trying to play a match saving innings.

It is good to see the decision makers trying to give these youngsters a taste of such things.
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What is up with you guys? It's an A game :facepalm:, this series was set up to help prepare players for the upcoming tour later in the year..
 
Electron said:
These bowlers will never be a part of our line-up, atleast for the SA tour. Our batsmen however would have benefited.
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why not?Zak is still unfit,while Ishant is living on borrowed time.Atleast one if not both will be played in SA tour,specially if Zaheer fails to recover,which is likely

batting on a patta serves no purpose.Our batsmen already had quite a time in 1st innings
 
Saurav said:
why not?Zak is still unfit,while Ishant is living on borrowed time.Atleast one if not both will be played in SA tour,specially if Zaheer fails to recover,which is likely

batting on a patta serves no purpose.Our batsmen already had quite a time in 1st innings
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Batting on day 3 and 4 is different than batting on day 1 and 2.
 
Saurav said:
lol how do you know that?
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Yeah lets throw some rookies into a few tests against the best.. :rahat Your test side is already pretty stable, so I doubt any of these guys will break in unless 2-3 bowlers go down.
 
battler said:
They already got good practise in the 1st dig.plus we have another test left so it is not like this was the last chance to bat.
I say go for the win and get ur confidence up!
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true.winning confidence can be crucial come December
 
Trolls, trolls everywhere! Pandey and Shami have a great chance of breaking into the test side.. I genuinely appreciate Pujara for giving them a second go, instead of batting again against a very average bowling attack.. Boy, they are delivering the goods :)
 
Kiwi said:
Yeah lets throw some rookies into a few tests against the best.. :rahat Your test side is already pretty stable, so I doubt any of these guys will break in unless 2-3 bowlers go down.
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stable?

Zaheer is already unfit.

Ishant I don't know is holding his place still.hopefully these guys can be given the chance ahead of him.
 
Saurav said:
stable?

Zaheer is already unfit.

Ishant I don't know is holding his place still.hopefully these guys can be given the chance ahead of him.
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BK, Ishant, Jadeja, Ashwin and probably ZK or Shami?
 
Kiwi said:
Yep an A game win over a bunch of rookies will do wonders for ones confidence..
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who cares about opponents?winning gives confidence and makes the guys confident and happy

whereas going for a draw breeds a defensive and defeatist mentality
 
Saurav said:
who cares about opponents?winning gives confidence and makes the guys confident and happy

whereas going for a draw breeds a defensive and defeatist mentality
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SA will have to play pretty bad from here to lose.
 
Saurav said:
why not?Zak is still unfit,while Ishant is living on borrowed time.Atleast one if not both will be played in SA tour,specially if Zaheer fails to recover,which is likely

batting on a patta serves no purpose.Our batsmen already had quite a time in 1st innings
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I find that extremely unlikely. We didn't experiment against Zimbabwe, and from whatever little cricket knowledge I have, I find it impossible to believe that these kids will be thrown against the top test team in the world irrespective of however they perform today.
 
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