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South Africa need 243 runs to win the 2nd Test against Pakistan after ending Day 4 on 127/1

Hasan123 said:
Not trying to please anyone you clown.

I said 1st test and he is sharing the scorecard for the 2nd test. And it's just an opinion I could be wrong. But I ain't gonna sit here and be a cheerleader like some.

People like you ,Rana , and now Markhor just make me think about stop coming on PP. I give my opinion and I get personal insults. Really don't see a point of commenting anymore
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Relax. I didn’t realize getting compared to Mamoon is so insulting. Not sure there were any other insults
 
I'm really hoping that Pakistan mess this up.

If South Africa wins it must surely speed up the dismissal of Misbah, Waqar, Yasir Shah and Fawad Alam and allow a new team to be built.
 
Much better control in last few overs. Just need a wicket to top it
 
Junaids said:
I'm really hoping that Pakistan mess this up.

If South Africa wins it must surely speed up the dismissal of Misbah, Waqar, Yasir Shah and Fawad Alam and allow a new team to be built.
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None of these will go even if Pak lose, so wish Pak to win.
 
I think the idea from here might be to restrict the runs until the ball gets a bit more worn and we might start seeing some reverse swing. Must be the only real hope of getting anything out of this pitch.
 
Titan24 said:
Agreed but, I have rarely seen Pak making plans, working on players weaknesses, trying different tactics etc. I think that has always been the weakest aspect or Pak cricket throughout the history but that looks more glaring now in the modern era with all sorts of analysis, data and technology available. It has always been over reliance on outclassing the opposition based upon skills than anything else.

This would definitely be the one thing on priority I would like Pak team to improve at international level.
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Yep, improvisation is clearly missing in our team.

I keep saying that Nauman should put the catcher on the off-side, not the leg-side.

Markram will nick it.
 
Mean&Green said:
Watch mamoon come on right after stumps and be like I had to run some errands but I knew what this mediocre side would have put up. Not surprised we deserve this humiliation. Van der dussen is a treat to watch better than any batsmen we have ever produced lol :rofl
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Younis Khan was a hack who went missing in the first innings. I liked Saeed Anwar but he was an outrageous overachiever, is not in the same comparable tier as Mayank Agarwal and Rohit Sharma. Javed Miandad batted in an easy bowling era, he should have modeled his game closer on Viv Richards who bullied the best bowlers of all time.
 
One thing is sure Babar A. is not fit for test captaincy.

We have just created another liability
 
Junaids said:
I'm really hoping that Pakistan mess this up.

If South Africa wins it must surely speed up the dismissal of Misbah, Waqar, Yasir Shah and Fawad Alam and allow a new team to be built.
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As if!!!!! Both Misbah and Waqar are in good book of IK, Mani and Wasim K. They are not going anywhere before 2022 Just hope their contract will not be renewed.
 
Rizwan throwing some gems behind the stumps today.

“Himmat nahin harein ge”

“Sibley wala yaad hai na” (For Rassie defending like Sibley)

“Leeke jaying ge” (Refering to getting a wicket at the end of the day)
 
This wicket you need to slow it down and loop it. Unfortunately Yasir just bowls at a fixed pace and has been non threatening
 
Hasan123 said:
You won the debate. Now go and distribute the mithai to Square Drive. I lost . That's what you guys want to hear.
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Okay is that off your chest now ?

Don't leave as you provide good analysis, and I agree actually with some of your critique. All I'm saying is check your facts more carefully before hitting post.

Also I don't like mithai. Too much sugar. Now please can we watch the match as there's a series to win against a team we haven't beaten in 18 years ?
 
PakPremi said:
None of these will go even if Pak lose, so wish Pak to win.
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Exactly!!!! People fall for Wasim Khan's Andy Flower/Gary Kristen story. PCB will not spend good money for professional foreign coaches plus those coaches will not come to Pakistan either because of our ex-players' abusive remarks.
 
Titan24 said:
Rizwan throwing some gems behind the stumps today.

“Himmat nahin harein ge”

“Sibley wala yaad hai na” (For Rassie defending like Sibley)

“Leeke jaying ge” (Refering to getting a wicket at the end of the day)
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He is so positive.

Great addition to our team.
 
Hopefully regardless of the results of this game, it will awaken the Pakistan team management to stop blindly following the UAE template to each and every pitch in Pakistan
 
Linde was successful as he was bowling it slowly and getting more purchase. Yasir has been toothless in 4th inning for quite some time now and its time to move on to a spinner who can bowl a googly for heaven sake.

Yasir just doesn't have the other one in his arsenal and becomes too predictable
 
Still Pakistan's game, this. Should wrap it up tomorrow.
 
Pak has secured improvement to no 6 position in the test ranking with the first win but, would really like Pak to go upto 5 with a win in this match.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Younis Khan was a hack who went missing in the first innings. I liked Saeed Anwar but he was an outrageous overachiever, is not in the same comparable tier as Mayank Agarwal and Rohit Sharma. Javed Miandad batted in an easy bowling era, he should have modeled his game closer on Viv Richards who bullied the best bowlers of all time.
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Wasim and Waqar tampered their way to becoming great fast bowlers
 
Mueez said:
He is so positive.

Great addition to our team.
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Absolutely someone who is a great team man, brings in a lot of energy, a gutsy batsman and more often than not a top keeper behind the stumps.
 
In the first test SA were in a similar situation but Babar kept the fielders up to the bat and eventually the wickets came because of those close in fielders. However this is a totally different wicket and totally different match situation now and you need a captain with cajones to try to attack in this situation
 
A disappointing bowling day to say the least.

Lack of backup plans and poor bowling did not do us any favors on a pitch that was going to be flat from the get go.

I'd even say it got worse for spinners as the days went on.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if Pakistan lose from here. To see this team fight is a rare sight.

There is really no explanation as to why we are such an astoundingly horrible test team. We bring in domestic performers, they fail. We hope our best players perform, they fail. We tout our fast bowling and it fails. We make spinning tracks and they don't spin.

We need a break from test cricket, it only serves to shatter our confidence even more.

Get better data analysts, and start playing modern test cricket. You don't have Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis bowling for you that you can be relaxed, you have some 19 year old wonderkid who's exhausted and a 26 year old generator who looks like he's out of electricity. Make plans, make backup plans, and make backup plans for your backup plans. Your preparation determines whether or not you win a test match nowadays, not the quality of your team nor the conditons. Look at England in India, they batted superbly because they analyzed the situation, they analyzed the pitch, and they learned how to play spin better.

Our search for a miracle to happen often ends up with our undoing, keep that in mind when watching Pakistan Cricket.
 
South Africa giving themselves a say going into day 5, if de Kock is the runs tomorrow, chase is on given his SR- well fought by the two top order bats.

Tomorrow looks to be all setup for a good one.
 
They've only made up 2 overs in 3 days despite starting 15 minutes earlier. Still 30 overs lost in this test match.
 
Titan24 said:
Absolutely someone who is a great team man, brings in a lot of energy, a gutsy batsman and more often than not a top keeper behind the stumps.
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Agree. He has been a breath of fresh air.

Hopefully he will carry on like this.
 
Markram and Rassie have survived some pretty good balls. They did the same in Karachi as well in their partnership. There is no guarantee that others would also be able to survive those straight away. Pak just needs a wicket or two to get back in the game and is still the favourites in my opinion. However, freakish things can happen in cricket.
 
UzmanBeast said:
A disappointing bowling day to say the least.

Lack of backup plans and poor bowling did not do us any favors on a pitch that was going to be flat from the get go.

I'd even say it got worse for spinners as the days went on.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if Pakistan lose from here. To see this team fight is a rare sight.

There is really no explanation as to why we are such an astoundingly horrible test team. We bring in domestic performers, they fail. We hope our best players perform, they fail. We tout our fast bowling and it fails. We make spinning tracks and they don't spin.

We need a break from test cricket, it only serves to shatter our confidence even more.

Get better data analysts, and start playing modern test cricket. You don't have Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis bowling for you that you can be relaxed, you have some 19 year old wonderkid who's exhausted and a 26 year old generator who looks like he's out of electricity. Make plans, make backup plans, and make backup plans for your backup plans. Your preparation determines whether or not you win a test match nowadays, not the quality of your team nor the conditons. Look at England in India, they batted superbly because they analyzed the situation, they analyzed the pitch, and they learned how to play spin better.

Our search for a miracle to happen often ends up with our undoing, keep that in mind when watching Pakistan Cricket.
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Pakistans coaching staff is incompetent. I doubt if they make any earth shattering Revelations or observations to the players
 
Hopefully a great SA performance will inspire their players to come back again for a longer series.
 
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There were suggestions by some saying 270 will be enough. Fortunate that they could get some additional runs and 370 is atleast a good score now
 
UzmanBeast said:
A disappointing bowling day to say the least.

Lack of backup plans and poor bowling did not do us any favors on a pitch that was going to be flat from the get go.

I'd even say it got worse for spinners as the days went on.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if Pakistan lose from here. To see this team fight is a rare sight.

There is really no explanation as to why we are such an astoundingly horrible test team. We bring in domestic performers, they fail. We hope our best players perform, they fail. We tout our fast bowling and it fails. We make spinning tracks and they don't spin.

We need a break from test cricket, it only serves to shatter our confidence even more.

Get better data analysts, and start playing modern test cricket. You don't have Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis bowling for you that you can be relaxed, you have some 19 year old wonderkid who's exhausted and a 26 year old generator who looks like he's out of electricity. Make plans, make backup plans, and make backup plans for your backup plans. Your preparation determines whether or not you win a test match nowadays, not the quality of your team nor the conditons. Look at England in India, they batted superbly because they analyzed the situation, they analyzed the pitch, and they learned how to play spin better.

Our search for a miracle to happen often ends up with our undoing, keep that in mind when watching Pakistan Cricket.
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Don't think out PCB high officials believe so much in technology. They are still living those 80s or 90s where even computer laptops were in early stage.
 
globalcitizen said:
There were suggestions by some saying 270 will be enough. Fortunate that they could get some additional runs and 370 is atleast a good score now
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Last night 200 was enough

Not sure what has happened to this track on Day 4
 
arehaan said:
One thing is sure Babar A. is not fit for test captaincy.

We have just created another liability
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How? he has made all possible changes and did not under or over bowl anyone. And attacked when he could with field placing. It is a flat wicket and bowlers who take wickets.
 
UzmanBeast said:
A disappointing bowling day to say the least.

Lack of backup plans and poor bowling did not do us any favors on a pitch that was going to be flat from the get go.

I'd even say it got worse for spinners as the days went on.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if Pakistan lose from here. To see this team fight is a rare sight.

There is really no explanation as to why we are such an astoundingly horrible test team. We bring in domestic performers, they fail. We hope our best players perform, they fail. We tout our fast bowling and it fails. We make spinning tracks and they don't spin.

We need a break from test cricket, it only serves to shatter our confidence even more.

Get better data analysts, and start playing modern test cricket. You don't have Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis bowling for you that you can be relaxed, you have some 19 year old wonderkid who's exhausted and a 26 year old generator who looks like he's out of electricity. Make plans, make backup plans, and make backup plans for your backup plans. Your preparation determines whether or not you win a test match nowadays, not the quality of your team nor the conditons. Look at England in India, they batted superbly because they analyzed the situation, they analyzed the pitch, and they learned how to play spin better.

Our search for a miracle to happen often ends up with our undoing, keep that in mind when watching Pakistan Cricket.
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Relax we have not lost yet a wicket will open the floodgate. All your points are valid but wait till we lost atleast.
 
UzmanBeast said:
A disappointing bowling day to say the least.

Lack of backup plans and poor bowling did not do us any favors on a pitch that was going to be flat from the get go.

I'd even say it got worse for spinners as the days went on.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if Pakistan lose from here. To see this team fight is a rare sight.

There is really no explanation as to why we are such an astoundingly horrible test team. We bring in domestic performers, they fail. We hope our best players perform, they fail. We tout our fast bowling and it fails. We make spinning tracks and they don't spin.

We need a break from test cricket, it only serves to shatter our confidence even more.

Get better data analysts, and start playing modern test cricket. You don't have Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis bowling for you that you can be relaxed, you have some 19 year old wonderkid who's exhausted and a 26 year old generator who looks like he's out of electricity. Make plans, make backup plans, and make backup plans for your backup plans. Your preparation determines whether or not you win a test match nowadays, not the quality of your team nor the conditons. Look at England in India, they batted superbly because they analyzed the situation, they analyzed the pitch, and they learned how to play spin better.

Our search for a miracle to happen often ends up with our undoing, keep that in mind when watching Pakistan Cricket.
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Blunt but accurate summary. Our lack of new ball wickets is concerning. Too many domestic matches pre-2019 on green tops means our seamers are too reliant on conditions to do the work. And they concede runs at ODI pace to make matters worse.

Yasir needs a few overs before he settles, but until then he'll bowl some rank long hops. So we're always playing catchup cricket.

It's hard to create data/stats-based gameplans when all your life you've been relying on intuition like Misbah, Younis and Waqar, and individual matchwinners. And if they did, I'm sure PCB's data operations is nothing like ECB-CricViz, or what India are using. Definitely need to invest in this - if you cannot overpower the opposition with skill then you have to outplan and outthink them like India did in Australia with a B team.

However Day 5 pressure does funny things so let's see. But teams aren't intimidated by 300+ targets in 4th inns as WI showed today.
 
What a Test match this has been!

South Africa are just one more 70-80 run partnership from their top5 away from pushing Pakistan onto the back foot. But that's easier said than done.

FAF and QDK are dew some runs and the wicket too looks better to bat on...so we may just get our third successful 300+ run chase on day 5. :babar
 
This is a flat pitch and I highly doubt it will break up and becoming a spinning dustbowl.

At the end of the day its about pitching it right being economical putting the pressure on and beinh patient for the batsmen to mess it up all it takes one or 2 quick wickets and the floodgates could open.

But anyway due to t20s and batsmen scoring at high run rates this sort of batting has easily transfered to test matches now so even 300 + is not safe anymore in test matches .
 
Typical Pindi wicket. Great for batting after the wicket settles.

Told you all the SENA countries will enjoy some of our wickets. Gone are the days of UAE where they were hopeless and Yasir Shah was the sultan.

Pak needs more games at KHI, Multan if it wants to survive in test cricket with this material.
 
This SA team is really bad they are about to lose/draw to a team with no openers living off runs from tailenders, wayward pacers & a 55 year old spinner leading there attack.
 
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Relax guys part of the reason batting was good because of the cracks not getting exposed with the heavy roller. Apply the heavy roller tomorrow and we are in business beside Markram and Dussen nobody has really fired, bottom order will put up a fight but they can’t play with the tail.
 
70-100 runs for one wicket tomorrow morning’s first session and we are in big, big trouble
 
Lonewarrior said:
what makes you so sure about it ?
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SA batting is very brittle. Many posters are thinking too much due to the current score and WI pulling a win. Sure, anything can happen, but the chances of Pakistan not winning is very slim here.
 
Buffet said:
SA batting is very brittle. Many posters are thinking too much due to the current score and WI pulling a win. Sure, anything can happen, but the chances of Pakistan not winning is very slim here.
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Think you're overestimating Pakistan here, have the tendency to choke. If you look back to the match at Old Trafford last year. I think SA will take this, no demons in the pitch.
 
I think we are in the Australia v Ind territory at Brisbane. If the Saffers keep their nerve they should win on this flat deck
 
ikky47 said:
Think you're overestimating Pakistan here, have the tendency to choke. If you look back to the match at Old Trafford last year. I think SA will take this, no demons in the pitch.
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I am aware of Pakistan's issue, but here SA needs to put more runs on 5th day than they have scored in the entire series. Pakistan has to bowl really poorly to allow SA to get a win here.
 
Mean&Green said:
Watch mamoon come on right after stumps and be like I had to run some errands but I knew what this mediocre side would have put up. Not surprised we deserve this humiliation. Van der dussen is a treat to watch better than any batsmen we have ever produced lol :rofl
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Couldn’t post earlier because internet service was blocked in Peshawar because of PTM rally.

Terrific batting by Van Der Dussen again. Such a great player. Meanwhile, Hassan Ali once again showed why he is just a white ball specialist.
 
Savak said:
Pakistans coaching staff is incompetent. I doubt if they make any earth shattering Revelations or observations to the players
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If our coaching staff tampered with Naseem's runup, they will play Abbas as a main spinner. They are so incompetent that teams should expect to win when they tour Pakistan.

Technology is such a blessing, it has made the game so much easier. Whoever started stepping out of the crease against Abbas is the reason he is out of the team. QDK came out and bashed our spinners because he knew that letting them settle was going to be a deathwish. I was actually surprised in the Pak vs NZ T20 series how we struggled to put away their low-quality pace attack.

Technology matters nowadays, it separates you from the rest. Kick Waqar Younis, he's tried to get Shaheen to follow the lullaby that just put the ball up there and it will do the rest. You need to bend your back and bang the ball into the pitch to generate a response, surely Waqar Younis of all people would know that.
 
Shafi said:
Don't think out PCB high officials believe so much in technology. They are still living those 80s or 90s where even computer laptops were in early stage.
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PCB officials are incompetent.

Just looking at the PSL Anthem will tell you how daft they are, it sounds worse than scraping metal on a concrete floor.
 
PakPremi said:
Relax we have not lost yet a wicket will open the floodgate. All your points are valid but wait till we lost atleast.
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There is certainly a chance that Pakistan will win, but my biggest point, which I mentioned many times before, is that we don't have the killer instinct as a team.

SAF should not even have had any hope of winning this match. We should have put our foot on their neck, and never let it go off. Now they are going to shove us under the carpet if this incompetence continues.

Bowling plans are our weakness right now, including our top order.

After this series is over, I will analyze this team and bring to light how mediocre of a team we have been, and I will share what I think is the only way to move forward.
 
Markhor said:
Blunt but accurate summary. Our lack of new ball wickets is concerning. Too many domestic matches pre-2019 on green tops means our seamers are too reliant on conditions to do the work. And they concede runs at ODI pace to make matters worse.

Yasir needs a few overs before he settles, but until then he'll bowl some rank long hops. So we're always playing catchup cricket.

It's hard to create data/stats-based gameplans when all your life you've been relying on intuition like Misbah, Younis and Waqar, and individual matchwinners. And if they did, I'm sure PCB's data operations is nothing like ECB-CricViz, or what India are using. Definitely need to invest in this - if you cannot overpower the opposition with skill then you have to outplan and outthink them like India did in Australia with a B team.

However Day 5 pressure does funny things so let's see. But teams aren't intimidated by 300+ targets in 4th inns as WI showed today.
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It needs to start with investment.

Your data department won't be excellent at first, and that's fine but if you keep persisting with it, sooner or later it will show you a path to victory.

Bharat Arun is a genius with how he made a simple yet so highly complicated and ingenious bowling plan to knock over the Aussies by removing their off-side game.

Meanwhile our management is just like "tum ball dalo, baki ball khud se kar le gi" or the usual "hamare bowlers ne buhat achhi bowling ki hai aaj".

Need to start using data. Shaheen troubled Elgar with bounce, but never used it on Markram. The one thing we have not tried against Markram is short pitched bowling, and funny enough, he's still not out. It takes only a few brain cells to make a bowling plan against batsmen like Markram, even the field placements were poor to say the least.
 
Buffet said:
I am aware of Pakistan's issue, but here SA needs to put more runs on 5th day than they have scored in the entire series. Pakistan has to bowl really poorly to allow SA to get a win here.
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So far SA haven't crossed 300 at all on this tour, but looking at the pitch and Pakistan's history I think SA are favourites. If one of Markram or Van Der Dussen get a century I think it will be curtains for Pakistan. It will be hard for new starters against spin but once you get in it don't look particularly difficult.
 
Pakistan should win this game. Target is too high.

South Africa are fighting well though.
 
Junaids said:
I'm really hoping that Pakistan mess this up.

If South Africa wins it must surely speed up the dismissal of Misbah, Waqar, Yasir Shah and Fawad Alam and allow a new team to be built.
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I thought the same but I doubt if things will speed up.

Matter of fact, Misbah and Waqar will present a case where they will show a “considerable improvement” when we have moved from losing a series to drawing a series.

And the kinda guilty conscious folks we have in the higher ranks of PCB will nod their heads in approval and thump their chests that things have started to improve, and hence their decision to hire MisQar was spot on.
 
Markhor said:
Blunt but accurate summary. Our lack of new ball wickets is concerning. Too many domestic matches pre-2019 on green tops means our seamers are too reliant on conditions to do the work. And they concede runs at ODI pace to make matters worse.

Yasir needs a few overs before he settles, but until then he'll bowl some rank long hops. So we're always playing catchup cricket.

It's hard to create data/stats-based gameplans when all your life you've been relying on intuition like Misbah, Younis and Waqar, and individual matchwinners. And if they did, I'm sure PCB's data operations is nothing like ECB-CricViz, or what India are using. Definitely need to invest in this - if you cannot overpower the opposition with skill then you have to outplan and outthink them like India did in Australia with a B team.

However Day 5 pressure does funny things so let's see. But teams aren't intimidated by 300+ targets in 4th inns as WI showed today.
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Gotta agree with this.

Pakistan lacks any planning for their opponents whatsoever. Keep bowling on the pads and in their strong areas and they go for runs at an ODI rate.

They really need to move with the times and bring in data and technology into their set up at all levels from bottom to the top tier only then mentality will change and attitudes as well.
 
This has been a terrific test series and we're in for a great day 4...and people here are infighting?

South Africa is an international side, of course they will be able to fight back and Pakistan's bowling attack isn't exactly great. An indictment of selection (no Abbas) and also a lack of experience from 3 of the 4 main bowlers.

Regardless, cricket has won here, as it is also winning in what looks to be a remarkable upset or fight back in India.
 
Pakistani people are so negative on this forum. You guys have a massive lead with a 5th day pitch to look forward to but some of you are declaring it a loss already?
 
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