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South Africa vs India | 2nd Test | Centurion | Jan 13-17, 2018 | Day 4 | Discussion Thread

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Abdullah719

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Day 3: South Africa lead by 118 runs with 8 wickets remaining
 
India need 5 wickets in the first Session today to have good chance of winning this Test match. I have read lot of comments here and cricinfo where Team India supporters wanted Jaddu. Well fact is he is not in the team, this is 11 you have got and you need 5 wickets in morning session. Anything less than 5 wickets in morning session will guve significant advantage to Proteas. I am tipping 250 to be a winning score here. 65/35 in Proteas favor right now.
 
India has to dig deep to stage a comeback. 8 wickets. I do not expect a dramatic collapse this time around. India should aim to slow thins down.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Karthik replaces Saha in squad for third Test.
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That is a great inclusion! Even if India manages to draw this test or even lose it, we are rest assured that an innings win is guaranteed in the last test to lift our faces!
 
Dont we have a proper wicket keeper in India other than Saha?

What happened to Naman Ojha?
 
samplepiece said:
Dont we have a proper wicket keeper in India other than Saha?

What happened to Naman Ojha?
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karthik has been selected.

Meanwhile, Saffers pliling the runs nicely. 138 runs lead with 8 wickets in hand and ABDV looking set for.... No! Wont jinx him...
 
RamLakhan said:
That is a great inclusion! Even if India manages to draw this test or even lose it, we are rest assured that an innings win is guaranteed in the last test to lift our faces!
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in your dream mate , you guys wont even win , dont think about winning with innings :D
 
Sarwar89 said:
India need 5 wickets in the first Session today to have good chance of winning this Test match. I have read lot of comments here and cricinfo where Team India supporters wanted Jaddu. Well fact is he is not in the team, this is 11 you have got and you need 5 wickets in morning session. Anything less than 5 wickets in morning session will guve significant advantage to Proteas. I am tipping 250 to be a winning score here. 65/35 in Proteas favor right now.
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Looks more like 95-5 in SA's favor.
 
Sharma has been useless this innings, time to bring Shami or Ashwin from other end
 
What Target can india chase at day 4-5 ?

Anything below 250 is in their range (depends on kohli) i think otherwise i cant see "25SaalkaBadla" :smith
 
LastManstanding said:
He is even worse than Parthiv.
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Sanju Samson looked like a very bright prospect few years ago but he just hasn't developed at all... lost in the wilderness somewhere now... nobody talks about him. Rishabh Pant is way too overrated in my opinion and won't last at international level even in the shorter formats.
 
India will not be able to chase anything South Africa set. The best they can hope to achieve is a draw.
 
Anything more than 220 would prove to be a bit too much for this side, which is over-reliant on kohli.
 
It is no SL bowling attack they'll have to chase against.

Steyn might not be playing but they are still beasts. So anything above 180 would be hard
 
This game is gone.

We need to graft hard for a draw somehow. No run-outs allowed.
 
Pujara will be the biggest threat considering the pitch. Anything less than 250 is chaseable.
 
Varun said:
This game is gone.

We need to graft hard for a draw somehow. No run-outs allowed.
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Wouldn't be too surprised if Rohit manages to run himself or his partner out in the 2nd innings.
He's playing for his test career.
 
Another fifty.. He is turning out to be Root's big brother as he is missing on 100s a lot.

Nevertheless, two match winning performances already in this series.
 
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SA 144/3, we need to induce a collapse here. Need to bowl SA out for another 60 runs.
 
Ab Fan said:
Another fifty.. He is turning out to be Root's big brother as he is missing on 100s a lot.

Nevertheless, two match winning performances already in this series.
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His fifties in this series have been match-defining so far.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
How can you play that?
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Could have gone for a hook or pull ( although had to get into position earlier) but this one unexpectedly bounced a bit more and although he was steering it to third man brilliantly but this one just bounced a bit more to steer it.
 
250 is enough to create panic in Indian Dressing room. Better chance is to draw the test match by forcing South Africa to bat through today and even a bit tomorrow... Reduce their scoring rate...
 
samplepiece said:
His fifties in this series have been match-defining so far.
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Yes no doubt. My point was in reference to taking his overall career. He has got like 43 fifties in comparison to 21 hundreds. So he has missed out on big ones in many occasions just like what was the case with brother Rootie.
 
Ab Fan said:
Could have gone for a hook or pull ( although had to get into position earlier) but this one unexpectedly bounced a bit more and although he was steering it to third man brilliantly but this one just bounced a bit more to steer it.
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Can't get into position when you can't trust the bounce. On pitches like this, these deliveries are pretty much unplayable. All you can hope is that it misses the bat.
 
Another 50 runs and SA can choose to declare anytime after that... they'll have the winning lead. The earlier the better if they do not want to take it to day 5.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Can't get into position when you can't trust the bounce. On pitches like this, these deliveries are pretty much unplayable. All you can hope is that it misses the bat.
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SA has variable bounce which is why these conditions are harder to bat. You don't see much of this in Australia however.
 
If SA are able to add 80 runs more, it is game over for India.
 
Tbh, this pitch is getting really difficult to bat. Even 200+ won't be easy.
 
Ab Fan said:
SA has variable bounce which is why these conditions are harder to bat. You don't see much of this in Australia however.
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The up and down nature of the pitch is comparable to an Indian one(recall Ind v Aus, Bengaluru) although the peak and average bounce is a bit higher.

SA pitches have springy(or spongy depending on the hardness of the pitch) bounce compared to Australia which have true consistent bounce.
 
Another wicket and the cat will truly be amongst the pigeons. South Africa needs 300 to remain calm.
 
The fact that they are losing wickets means it's easier for us to lose.

Because it prevents them from batting on and building a large total, eating time.
 
LOL..what was Qdk doing? You don't expect this from a player of his standard.
 
I can see India giving England a really tough time and possibly win if they can get the selection right. The personnel aside, they're playing with a mental edge that England don't have.
 
Gone. Shami has been excellent this morning. Match back in the balance.
 
hows the pitch playing?

Saffers seem to be throwing kitchen sink
 
The game is already over for India though. They can't chase 200 with just 3 batsmen... pitch looks quite difficult to bat on.
 
I am telling you SA is going to collapse. They have batting till 5, de Kock is a walking wicket. Expecting India to chase 210-220
 
QdK is another South African choker in the making. Brilliant player, but I have hardly seen him deliver under pressure.
 
Smith: De villiers and Kohli made this pitch look like easy batting pitch. Everyone else struggles


Morkel should listen to it. Morkel has a pitch with up and down bounce he couldn't use it. He can still use in the next innings.
 
I feel sad for ashwin people will see only 4 wickets in the match until now but won't see the 3-4 dropped catches, multiple miss fields off his bowling.
 
Last 7 tests De Kock averages 21. Horribly out of form. Trust him to come back into form when we tour. Would be scoring centuries left right and center.
 
Shami has taken wickets at the most crucial of times. And looking hostile now. Its reversing for him
 
jagatk said:
I feel sad for ashwin people will see only 4 wickets in the match until now but won't see the 3-4 dropped catches, multiple miss fields off his bowling.
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6 wickets (lets say 2 more) is a good return anyways so no problem
 
Ashwin hasn't ran riot though which a pitch of this condition merits at some point
 
Du Plessis should look to score a quick 50 runs to take some pressure off. No point hanging around without scoring.
 
South Africa batting looks toothless and they need to play an extra batsman with Amla and De dock woefully out of form or if they are so fascinated by 5 bowler then they should play bowling AR Chris Morris.
 
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