South India

[kaayal]

It is not pazham. It is Parram. Don't know why malayalis have to write R as ZH

It's not parram, its pazham. Malayalam "zha" can't be pronounced in english. Only north indian who pronounce "zha" correctly is Shreya Goshal afaik.

 

[Electron]

[MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] - Here's is an explanation about the rational argument.

1. First of all, let me say that there is no superiority stuff going on.
2. Second of all, it doesn't mean others aren't rational.

Now here's the thing:

A community is judged NOT by its lowest common denominator but by the experience most people have interacting with people of that community. This is assuming the lowest common denominator isn't so bad that it overpowers and clouds everyone's judgement.

But most of the posters here judged North community based on rapes and riots. Is it because that is an overpowering aspect or is it based on your experience of interacting with these communities?

South Indians are called more rational because the educated masses (whose numbers in absolute tersm are very high and you can meet these people in South India, North India, foreign countries, etc) are pretty good.

This doesn't mean other communities are bad or anything. It just means that if you meat 20 South Indian fellas and 20 felllas from other community, 99 out of 100 times, you would notice South Indian fellas to be more rational and less filled with hate.

What kind of hate are you talking about? Isn't it hate when one has to bring up rapes and riots to generalize that South Indian society > North India ?

From the outside, say for a Pakistani, it would appear that North Indians are full of hate while South Indians and North East people are the more rational bunch, but that is because their whole perspective revolves around our view of them. Things that make us go hot under our collar don't concern you.

But touch a sensitive South Indian or North East Indian subject, and this is where rationality takes a nosedive and hate starts to flow. You say that 99/100 people more rational and without much hate? From what I saw..they couldn't even help hating their own neighbours. Majority of Tamils I met had nothing but bad words for Malyalis. "Sir, if it wasn't for water and tourism, these Keralites would be beggars..they are useless trouble-makers." , people told me this stuff with a lot of happiness.

I did see a lot of hate there too bro. It is just that international forums never really touch the subjects you lot get emotional about (Not YOU obviously..but South Indians in general).

 

[kaayal]

Whenever I read her name, I start humming the lines.. Akkakko Adi Kinnikozhi.. Appappo Enna Pinnikodi..

Lol kilimanjaro...

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's not parram, its pazham. Malayalam "zha" can't be pronounced in english. Only north indian who pronounce "zha" correctly is Shreya Goshal afaik.

But why did Malayalis use zha to denote that sound. makes as mockery of english alphabets. But what to expect from the so called rational minds!!

 

[kaayal]

But most of the posters here judged North community based on rapes and riots. Is it because that is an overpowering aspect or is it based on your experience of interacting with these communities?



What kind of hate are you talking about? Isn't it hate when one has to bring up rapes and riots to generalize that South Indian society > North India ?

From the outside, say for a Pakistani, it would appear that North Indians are full of hate while South Indians and North East people are the more rational bunch, but that is because their whole perspective revolves around our view of them. Things that make us go hot under our collar don't concern you.

But touch a sensitive South Indian or North East Indian subject, and this is where rationality takes a nosedive and hate starts to flow. You say that 99/100 people more rational and without much hate? From what I saw..they couldn't even help hating their own neighbours. Majority of Tamils I met had nothing but bad words for Malyalis. "Sir, if it wasn't for water and tourism, these Keralites would be beggars..they are useless trouble-makers." , people told me this stuff with a lot of happiness.

I did see a lot of hate there too bro. It is just that international forums never really touch the subjects you lot get emotional about (Not YOU obviously..but South Indians in general).

Our people had some problem issues regarding the mullaperiyaar dam. Apart from that i don't think there any animosities with tamil.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Our people had some problem issues regarding the mullaperiyaar dam. Apart from that i don't think there any animosities with tamil.

What about Kannadigas and Tamils regarding Cauvery water issue?

 

[Electron]

Our people had some problem issues regarding the mullaperiyaar dam. Apart from that i don't think there any animosities with tamil.

I saw a lot of it. Could be because of the fresh hostility going on, but it was quite evident.

 

[kaayal]

What about Kannadigas and Tamils regarding Cauvery water issue?

I don't know much about it. But when jayalalitha was convicted in the bangalore court, the local tamil amma fanboys didn't spare a single karnataka registration vehicle. It was scary tbh.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't know much about it. But when jayalalitha was convicted in the bangalore court, the local tamil amma fanboys didn't spare a single karnataka registration vehicle. It was scary tbh.

yes, and same when kannadiga star dr. rajkumar was kidnapped. and even during his funeral. huge personality cult everywhere (except kerala from what i have seen) and yet people come up with "rational mind" self praise.

 

[Electron]

yes, and same when kannadiga star dr. rajkumar was kidnapped. and even during his funeral. huge personality cult everywhere (except kerala from what i have seen) and yet people come up with "rational mind" self praise.

How do you know about everything? You are very well informed about most subjects, quite strange given you are most likely not even in India.

 

[CricketCartoons]

How do you know about everything? You are very well informed about most subjects, quite strange given you are most likely not even in India.

google and wikipedia.

 

[kaayal]

But seriously, tamils are very good. They are emotional but better friends than malayalis whom you don't know when will backstab you. Malayalis are clever in a wicked way.

 

[CricketCartoons]

But seriously, tamils are very good. They are emotional but better friends than malayalis whom you don't know when will backstab you. Malayalis are clever in a wicked way.

I have known only one malayali. She was a very good person (grudged notwithstanding). And very pretty. I used to call her kutti.

 

[kaayal]

I have known only one malayali. She was a very good person (grudged notwithstanding). And very pretty. I used to call her kutti.

I know she is from kottayam and kutti in hindi or malayalam???

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

But most of the posters here judged North community based on rapes and riots. Is it because that is an overpowering aspect or is it based on your experience of interacting with these communities?

I was talking about influence of perception and not about perception being right or wrong.

Taliban, ISIS creates a wrong perception of Muslims in the world (in the minds of people). Does that mean the perception is right? Absolutely not.

Same goes for LTTE and stuff.

NO ONE and I repeat NO ONE judges North Indians by the rapes happening. In fact, rapes happen in South India too.

What kind of hate are you talking about? Isn't it hate when one has to bring up rapes and riots to generalize that South Indian society > North India ?

No one really does that bro. If anyone uses that logic to prove South India > North India, its just crazy.

Plus South India is not greater than North India. With 10,000 indicators how can anyone make a sweeping statement?

No one can.

People talk about the experiences they and their friends had with different communities of India. That doesn't mean one community is better than others in an absolute way.

From the outside, say for a Pakistani, it would appear that North Indians are full of hate while South Indians and North East people are the more rational bunch, but that is because their whole perspective revolves around our view of them. Things that make us go hot under our collar don't concern you.

But touch a sensitive South Indian or North East Indian subject, and this is where rationality takes a nosedive and hate starts to flow. You say that 99/100 people more rational and without much hate? From what I saw..they couldn't even help hating their own neighbours. Majority of Tamils I met had nothing but bad words for Malyalis. "Sir, if it wasn't for water and tourism, these Keralites would be beggars..they are useless trouble-makers." , people told me this stuff with a lot of happiness.

I did see a lot of hate there too bro. It is just that international forums never really touch the subjects you lot get emotional about (Not YOU obviously..but South Indians in general).

Here's the thing bud:

There is no scientific study of which community is rational, which is not, etc. No one can make an accurate statement like that.

Most people get their views from their experiences and the experiences of those whom they know.

Sure, some Tamils may hate Malayalis and some Malayalis may hate Tamils and some may hate Telugus, etc.

It all happens.

In South Indian colleges you will see 2 kinds of students - the low lives thug types and the classier ones.

If you were to interact with the low life thug types of Tamil, Mallu, Telugu or Kannadiga group, you would conclude South Indians are messed up.

There is no ABSOLUTE INDICATOR for who is rational and who isn't. Majority of SC people by default aren't rational. So you can make an argument that no community is rational with ease.

But that's not what posters here say or North Indians I know talk about.

They talk about their experiences with educated people from different communities and an overwhelming majority say they are more rational and calmer than the rest. Of course, exceptions will be there.

All this is a view of ONE PART of the community and since that PART is well known and present all over the world, it creates the perception.

Now the perception isn't 100% right as there are many irrational South Indians too....but we talk about the crowd we mingle with.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

But seriously, tamils are very good. They are emotional but better friends than malayalis whom you don't know when will backstab you. Malayalis are clever in a wicked way.

Huh?

If you pick up a fight with a Tamil guy, he will come back with 5 people.

If you pick up a fight with a Telugu guy, he will come back with 50 people.

If you pick up a fight with a Mallu guy, he will come back with almost army of Mallus.

 

[samplepiece]

Huh?

If you pick up a fight with a Tamil guy, he will come back with 5 people.

If you pick up a fight with a Telugu guy, he will come back with 50 people.

If you pick up a fight with a Mallu guy, he will come back with almost army of Mallus.

And what happens if you pick up a fight with a Kannadiga?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And what happens if you pick up a fight with a Kannadiga?

I dunno about them much so can't comment.

In my college, there were Tamils, Telugus and Mallus more than Kannadiga (there were Kannadigas but not the ones who have gangs - atleast not to my knowledge).

 

[TM Riddle]

One genuine question I always wanted to know..

Are all the Yadavs the clan of Krishna's Yadava clan?

Does Umesh Yadav (or any Yadav for that matter) belong to the same clan or its just a name?

Nope.Lord Krishna belonged to yaduvanshi kshatriya clan whose descendents are modern day Rajput clans like Bhatis,jadons etc .They are chndravanshi or from lunar dynasty. The Ahirs are different.They were originally shepherds.Related to yashoda and nanda I think.

 

[TM Riddle]

Yadavs were a group generic low caste cow herder castes also known as ahirs in north India. About 150 years ago, during a sanskritization period they reformed themselves as Yadavs and claimed to be of Rajput origin. In some areas, they are quite dominant and in other areas they are one step above Dalits.

They are probably found in Pakistan also...probably whatever name they give to the cow herder caste.

Yadavs aren't Rajputs.

 

[Adil_94]

From what ive noticed in my own experiences is that they are very hard working a lot of them are in the IT and Business sector. Will rarely see them do manual labour jobs or working class professions such as Taxi Bus Driver Builder mechanic. They are stickler to the rules and timings not as laidback or lazy as Pothoharis and Punjabis both sides of the border. Have greater emphasis on education. Have better english skills than immigrants from North India or Pakistan. And also darker than the average Pakistani or North Indian. North Indians are much bigger partiers than Southies especially Punjabis

 

[jaguarjack]

Oh God...

How could I miss Dravid?

And I didn't misss legund Vinay Kooomar.

you missed Azhar too

 

[mithun_minhas]

you missed Azhar too

Azhar may be from former Andhra Pradesh, but he is technically not Telugu. He is a Gujjar. Probably imported by Nizams from UP or Rajasthan or Punjab.
I once saw him give some motivational speech when I was a kid. He used to give these speeches for Employees of State Bank of India. He exclusively spoke Hindi. A couple of times he spoke some Telugu and it was hilarious. Guy cannot speak telugu

 

[mithun_minhas]

Nope.Lord Krishna belonged to yaduvanshi kshatriya clan whose descendents are modern day Rajput clans like Bhatis,jadons etc .They are chndravanshi or from lunar dynasty. The Ahirs are different.They were originally shepherds.Related to yashoda and nanda I think.

Yupp. Krishna is the Son of Devaki and Vasudev. Both Kshatriyas. He was raised by Yasodha (A Yadav lady).

 

[TM Riddle]

Yupp. Krishna is the Son of Devaki and Vasudev. Both Kshatriyas. He was raised by Yasodha (A Yadav lady).

Exactly.Ahirs or modern day yadavs basically raised him.That's about all.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Nope.Lord Krishna belonged to yaduvanshi kshatriya clan whose descendents are modern day Rajput clans like Bhatis,jadons etc .They are chndravanshi or from lunar dynasty. The Ahirs are different.They were originally shepherds.Related to yashoda and nanda I think.

Exactly.Ahirs or modern day yadavs basically raised him.That's about all.

Yupp. Krishna is the Son of Devaki and Vasudev. Both Kshatriyas. He was raised by Yasodha (A Yadav lady).

Thanks guys.

So Krishna's clan was a Yaduvanshi Kshatriya clan since he was raised by Yashoda, Yadava (Vaishya) clan is associated with him.

 

[BeautifulGame]

But most of the posters here judged North community based on rapes and riots. Is it because that is an overpowering aspect or is it based on your experience of interacting with these communities?



What kind of hate are you talking about? Isn't it hate when one has to bring up rapes and riots to generalize that South Indian society > North India ?

From the outside, say for a Pakistani, it would appear that North Indians are full of hate while South Indians and North East people are the more rational bunch, but that is because their whole perspective revolves around our view of them. Things that make us go hot under our collar don't concern you.

But touch a sensitive South Indian or North East Indian subject, and this is where rationality takes a nosedive and hate starts to flow. You say that 99/100 people more rational and without much hate? From what I saw..they couldn't even help hating their own neighbours. Majority of Tamils I met had nothing but bad words for Malyalis. "Sir, if it wasn't for water and tourism, these Keralites would be beggars..they are useless trouble-makers." , people told me this stuff with a lot of happiness.

I did see a lot of hate there too bro. It is just that international forums never really touch the subjects you lot get emotional about (Not YOU obviously..but South Indians in general).

Really? Must have some really screwed up Tamil people u have met .

Have u ever been to Coimbatore?

 

[BeautifulGame]

This is speculation on your part. Anecdotal experience at best. Not backed by serious study.
And literate doesnt make one rational. One can give oneself all the tributes one wants, but there is no evidence to back it up.

Usually Tamils are more rational than most other Indians becoz we are more socially developed and reformed than most other states .

We had anti-caste and women empowerment movements in 1930s itself whereas most states are only catching up in the last 2-3 decades.The BIMARU states are even worse still.

 

[mithun_minhas]

I find Tamil people very accepting as long as you learn Tamil. Otherwise, it will be extremely hard for an outsider to survive there.

Just look at Tamil industry. Almost all of their stars are non-tamils. The only Tamil superstars are Kamal Hasan and Ajith.

 

[IgnitedMind]

I find Tamil people very accepting as long as you learn Tamil. Otherwise, it will be extremely hard for an outsider to survive there.

Just look at Tamil industry. Almost all of their stars are non-tamils. The only Tamil superstars are Kamal Hasan and Ajith.

Ajith is not tamil...one of his parents is from kerela and another from somewhere north...and he did not even know tamil untill he started acting. His debut was also a telugu movie.

 

[IgnitedMind]

^^btw fun fact... For a couple of years..Ajith's voice was dubbed by Chiyan Vikram --93 to 94 !

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

IG is the knowledgeable movie poster in the forum.

 

[mithun_minhas]

Ajith is not tamil...one of his parents is from kerela and another from somewhere north...and he did not even know tamil untill he started acting. His debut was also a telugu movie.

Ohh. I know he is an Iyer. So assumed he is Tamil by default. His mum is Sindhi.

So Kamal Hasan is the only true Superstar in Tamil cinema?

 

[IgnitedMind]

Ohh. I know he is an Iyer. So assumed he is Tamil by default. His mum is Sindhi.

So Kamal Hasan is the only true Superstar in Tamil cinema?

Hmm...

Vikram ?? If you consider him a star that is -- would have been during anniyan..but not sure now !

Vijay is not tamilian?..he is a superstar

Older gen...sarathkumar, vijayakanth??? not sure if they are "superstars" !

 

[mithun_minhas]

Hmm...

Vikram ?? If you consider him a star that is -- would have been during anniyan..but not sure now !

Vijay is not tamilian?..he is a superstar

Older gen...sarathkumar, vijayakanth??? not sure if they are "superstars" !

Vijaykanth is a Kapu. Has Andhra roots.
Sarath Kumar is not a superstar me thinks.

A Mallu friend of mine once told me that Actor Vikram's dad is a Malayalee.

I missed Joseph Vijay completely.

 

[IgnitedMind]

Vijaykanth is a Kapu. Has Andhra roots.
Sarath Kumar is not a superstar me thinks.

A Mallu friend of mine once told me that Actor Vikram's dad is a Malayalee.

I missed Joseph Vijay completely.

How can you do that? this is conspiracy by Thala fans against our Ilaiyathalapathy Lol !

Oh Did not know about Gaaptain's Kapu roots !

 

[Thivagar]

EVerything bro.

I have Telugu, UP, Tamil, Kannada connections. My family is a Jeeta Jaagta example of National Integration.

Brought up in Andhra. Hence I can read and write Telugu fluently.

Have you lived only in Chennai ? or Have you gone to other parts for Tamil Nadu ?

 

[Thivagar]

How can you do that? this is conspiracy by Thala fans against our Ilaiyathalapathy Lol !

Oh Did not know about Gaaptain's Kapu roots !

I met Vijay at a wedding when i was young. My cousin's cousin married Vijay's wife's cousin . So you could say I'm related to a film star

 

[mithun_minhas]

How can you do that? this is conspiracy by Thala fans against our Ilaiyathalapathy Lol !

Oh Did not know about Gaaptain's Kapu roots !

My friend is a Kapu and he is a huge fan of Vijaykanth just because of his caste. To him Chiranjeevi and Vijakanth are Gods

I also forgot Surya

 

[IgnitedMind]

yeah....closely related !

 

[mithun_minhas]

Have you lived only in Chennai ? or Have you gone to other parts for Tamil Nadu ?

I never lived in Tamilnadu. I cannot understand a word of Tamil except for Vanakkam and Muttal and Sapatu.

I only visited Chennai a lot for travelling purposes.

 

[IgnitedMind]

My friend is a Kapu and he is a huge fan of Vijaykanth just because of his caste. To him Chiranjeevi and Vijakanth are Gods

I also forgot Surya

Yeah..Mee too ! Surya is still below Ajith and vijay IMO...in terms of BO !

haha...Chiranjeevi is a legit filmstar man...it is so sad to see him decline in status last few years ! 80,90s and early 2000s were golden period for Megastar ! Used to be a huge huge fan...I even contributed some money in putting up banners for his 2006 crapfest 'Stalin' in from theatres..was in 11th grade then -- begining of the end of chiru-Mania in andhra !

 

[Thivagar]

Ohh. I know he is an Iyer. So assumed he is Tamil by default. His mum is Sindhi.

So Kamal Hasan is the only true Superstar in Tamil cinema?

Sivaji ganeshan, was one he was gifted a key to the Buffalo City in the 70s. That is something else. MGR was probably the biggest star of Tamil cinema. He was a star outside the cinema world as well. MGR used to send books, pencils, erasers, chalks to schools in SL as well. He was a great man. There was an article that came on a Tamil weekly magazine where MGR's former right hand men said"you may get away from the law, but you'll never get away from MGR" and linked the incidents in the late 60s and 70s where many criminals disappeared without a trace. He also send something about scaring the crap out of Rajnikanth and admitting him to a hospital.

 

[mithun_minhas]

Yeah..Mee too ! Surya is still below Ajith and vijay IMO...in terms of BO !

haha...Chiranjeevi is a legit filmstar man...it is so sad to see him decline in status last few years ! 80,90s and early 2000s were golden period for Megastar ! Used to be a huge huge fan...I even contributed some money in putting up banners for his 2006 crapfest 'Stalin' in from theatres..was in 11th grade then -- begining of the end of chiru-Mania in andhra !

I never watched movies much. My dad was into Bollywood and we watched Hindi movies mostly. Never liked that Chiranjeevi guy anyways.

 

[Thivagar]

I never lived in Tamilnadu. I cannot understand a word of Tamil except for Vanakkam and Muttal and Sapatu.

I only visited Chennai a lot for travelling purposes.

LOL, remember Chennai doesn't represent the entire Tamil Nadu, I personally thought Chennai was full of retards lol. Maybe you should visit other smaller cities as well. Chennai is full of people who tries to be cool(act fake) and people give lesser respect to other human beings. I prefer you visiting Trichy and Coimbatore but there is nothing there to see lol.

 

[IgnitedMind]

Sivaji ganeshan, was one he was gifted a key to the Buffalo City in the 70s. That is something else. MGR was probably the biggest star of Tamil cinema. He was a star outside the cinema world as well. MGR used to send books, pencils, erasers, chalks to schools in SL as well. He was a great man. There was an article that came on a Tamil weekly magazine where MGR's former right hand men said"you may get away from the law, but you'll never get away from MGR" and linked the incidents in the late 60s and 70s where many criminals disappeared without a trace. He also send something about scaring the crap out of Rajnikanth and admitting him to a hospital.

I hated the trend which MGR brought in Tamil Nadu..and similarly what NTR brought in Andhra..still today is being used by Stars. The Trend of using Cinema as a narcisstic medium to promote self image and their careers outside films..especially politics..usually becomes unbearable in their later careers to make their foray into Politics smooth. Chiranjeevi tried to do the same thing..and failed miserably. MGR was a corrupt Man with a great PR skills...and so was NTR !

 

[IgnitedMind]

I never watched movies much. My dad was into Bollywood and we watched Hindi movies mostly. Never liked that Chiranjeevi guy anyways.

Haha ! one of those things you need to grow into I guess...his 80's and early 90's were absolute Classics ! After that..as I said in previous..more ofthen than not movies fell into that category !

 

[Thivagar]

I never watched movies much. My dad was into Bollywood and we watched Hindi movies mostly. Never liked that Chiranjeevi guy anyways.

Yeah..Mee too ! Surya is still below Ajith and vijay IMO...in terms of BO !

haha...Chiranjeevi is a legit filmstar man...it is so sad to see him decline in status last few years ! 80,90s and early 2000s were golden period for Megastar ! Used to be a huge huge fan...I even contributed some money in putting up banners for his 2006 crapfest 'Stalin' in from theatres..was in 11th grade then -- begining of the end of chiru-Mania in andhra !

Where do you both live ?

I never watched any Chiranjeevis or any Telugu films but these guys dance crazyyy.

 

[Abhilash93]

Some things I observed in the time I spent in South India (TamilNadu to be specific),

1. Most of them can speak English. Even the cab drivers, small shopkeepers, waiters etc. Thats why how communicated with them. Very few know Hindi & Even if do they do, they won't admit it. They are very proud & passionate about their mother tongue (Tamil in TN).

2. In general, superiors (in terms of age or position etc) are accorded a lot of respect. As someone mentioned, there is a strong personality cult, especially for the movie stars (Tollywood) and politicians. You will find people plastering their favourite politicians photo on wedding invitations.

3. Pursuit of Knowledge/education is accorded huge respect. Literacy rates are high in almost all southern states. I am interested in quizzing and lot of top national quizzers that I encounter come from the South.

4. You will find men clothed in Lungis riding motorcycles!

5. People are very religious. There is atleast 1 huge temple in almost every village.

6. I don't know for sure about the statistics but people in general appeared to be more peaceful than in the north.

 

[IgnitedMind]

Where do you both live ?

I never watched any Chiranjeevis or any Telugu films but these guys dance crazyyy.

I lived in Andhra...

and now in USA

 

[Thivagar]

I hated the trend which MGR brought in Tamil Nadu..and similarly what NTR brought in Andhra..still today is being used by Stars. The Trend of using Cinema as a narcisstic medium to promote self image and their careers outside films..especially politics..usually becomes unbearable in their later careers to make their foray into Politics smooth. Chiranjeevi tried to do the same thing..and failed miserably. MGR was a corrupt Man with a great PR skills...and so was NTR !

MGR was always an actor, he was forced to join politics by this politician named Karunanidhi(2G SCAM guy) to fight for the poor. reduce Brahmanism's dominance and fight the caste system. MGR found out that Karunandihi was corrupted, formed his own party and so on. I don't know about NTR, sorry so i can't comment on that.

 

[Abhilash93]

I consider Marathis as South Indians. Vast majority of them look no different from a Kannadiga or Andhra person.

Dravid is a Maharashtrian descent.

No, Maharashtrians aren't similar to South Indians. The language, cuisine, culture does not have much similarity.

One big difference is that most of them know Hindi very well (could be because Marathi & Hindi are both written in the same script).

Also rice is not the predominant part of the meal. We have Chapaati/Roti (made from wheat) too. Regional dress is different too.

By this, I am not implying that they are similar to north Indians either. Central/West India is a different kettle of fish.

 

[Slog]

what is the relation between tamils in india and SL. do they identify with each other and are they close to each other?

 

[Abhilash93]

what is the relation between tamils in india and SL. do they identify with each other and are they close to each other?

Some Indians (Tamils) went to Sri Lanka some time in history I think. They are the minority community there (around 10-12%), the majority being Sinhalese. Murali is a Tamil.

For more info, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamil_people

 

[IgnitedMind]

what is the relation between tamils in india and SL. do they identify with each other and are they close to each other?

Tamils in India and SL share the same language obviously.so they identify with each other a bit..and there is sympathy for situation in SL from Tamils in India...! not sure on food and everything ! And they movies is common too

 

[Slog]

Tamils in India and SL share the same language obviously.so they identify with each other a bit..and there is sympathy for situation in SL from Tamils in India...! not sure on food and everything ! And they movies is common too

how recent was ths migration?

lets say if its close to 100 yrs then they have probably gone far apart in terms of culture and how langguage is spoken in my estimiation

even murali marrried an indian tamil right?

 

[mithun_minhas]

No, Maharashtrians aren't similar to South Indians. The language, cuisine, culture does not have much similarity.

One big difference is that most of them know Hindi very well (could be because Marathi & Hindi are both written in the same script).

Also rice is not the predominant part of the meal. We have Chapaati/Roti (made from wheat) too. Regional dress is different too.

By this, I am not implying that they are similar to north Indians either. Central/West India is a different kettle of fish.

Appearance wise, they look no different from Telugu or Kannadiga people. May be the Maratha people and the Brahmins might look a bit different.

 

[Abhilash93]

Appearance wise, they look no different from Telugu or Kannadiga people. May be the Maratha people and the Brahmins might look a bit different.

Ok appearence wise may be yes.

Kannadigas look a lot similar, not sure about the Telugu people.

 

[TM Riddle]

Thanks guys.

So Krishna's clan was a Yaduvanshi Kshatriya clan since he was raised by Yashoda, Yadava (Vaishya) clan is associated with him.

Yeup that's why modern day yadav claims his ancestry but of course that's false..Lord Krishna was a Kshatriya and a chandravanshi as opposed to lord Ram who was born in suryavanshi kul.
btw jadeja clan of Rajputs are chandravanshi too so Ravindra jadeja has more chance of being related to Keshav than Umesh yadav.

 

[mithun_minhas]

Yeup that's why modern day yadav claims his ancestry but of course that's false..Lord Krishna was a Kshatriya and a chandravanshi as opposed to lord Ram who was born in suryavanshi kul.
btw jadeja clan of Rajputs are chandravanshi too so Ravindra jadeja has more chance of being related to Keshav than Umesh yadav.

My reverence for Sir has increased 10 fold

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yeup that's why modern day yadav claims his ancestry but of course that's false..Lord Krishna was a Kshatriya and a chandravanshi as opposed to lord Ram who was born in suryavanshi kul.
btw jadeja clan of Rajputs are chandravanshi too so Ravindra jadeja has more chance of being related to Keshav than Umesh yadav.

I see....nice..

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Sandeep]

All the South Indian states are not the same. Probably religion is the only unifying factor!

 

[kaayal]

All the South Indian states are not the same. Probably religion is the only unifying factor!

Nah...it's sachin tendulkar and a r rahman..

 

[BeautifulGame]

what is the relation between tamils in india and SL. do they identify with each other and are they close to each other?

From Wiki probably sums up better

The two groups of Tamils located in Sri Lanka are the Sri Lankan Tamils and the Indian Tamils. Sri Lankan Tamils (also called Ceylon Tamils) are descendants of the Tamils of the old Jaffna Kingdom and east coast chieftaincies called Vannimais. The Indian Tamils (or Hill Country Tamils) are descendants of bonded labourers sent from Tamil Nadu to Sri Lanka in the 19th century to work on tea plantations.[75][76] A significant Tamil-speaking Muslim population exists in Sri Lanka; over 90 percent of Sri Lankan Muslims use Tamil as their mother tongue. However, unlike Tamil Muslims from India, they are not culturally linked with ethnic Tamils, they are therefore listed as a separate ethnic group in official statistics.[77][78][79]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamil_people

 

[BeautifulGame]

MGR was always an actor, he was forced to join politics by this politician named Karunanidhi(2G SCAM guy) to fight for the poor. reduce Brahmanism's dominance and fight the caste system. MGR found out that Karunandihi was corrupted, formed his own party and so on. I don't know about NTR, sorry so i can't comment on that.

MGR was already in Congress when he went to DMK. Anna probably played a more prominent role than Karuna in attracting MGR to DMK.

 

[BeautifulGame]

My friend is a Kapu and he is a huge fan of Vijaykanth just because of his caste. To him Chiranjeevi and Vijakanth are Gods

I also forgot Surya

Also missed Dhanush and maybe Karthi.

 

[Sandeep]

Nah...it's sachin tendulkar and a r rahman..

is the god, my argument still stands valid.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

are 7 sister states are in south india

 

[BeautifulGame]

are 7 sister states are in south india

That's North East .

 

[CricketCartoons]

Usually Tamils are more rational than most other Indians becoz we are more socially developed and reformed than most other states .

We had anti-caste and women empowerment movements in 1930s itself whereas most states are only catching up in the last 2-3 decades.The BIMARU states are even worse still.

Oh yes, Tamils are more rational. That is why it took 2012 when dalits got to enter a 120 year old temple for the first time. I salute the anti caste empowerment in TN and hope other states catch up.

 

[Bengaluru]

Kerala has high literacy

Thats because all the illiterate Mallus are in Bangalore.

 

[Thivagar]

how recent was ths migration?

lets say if its close to 100 yrs then they have probably gone far apart in terms of culture and how langguage is spoken in my estimiation

even murali marrried an indian tamil right?

Tamils in India and SL share the same language obviously.so they identify with each other a bit..and there is sympathy for situation in SL from Tamils in India...! not sure on food and everything ! And they movies is common too

Some Indians (Tamils) went to Sri Lanka some time in history I think. They are the minority community there (around 10-12%), the majority being Sinhalese. Murali is a Tamil.

For more info, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamil_people

Rusell Arnold and Murali are tamil from Indian descents, kinda like W.I. players like Chanderpaul. Sarwan(they may have african blood somewhere). The "Indian Tamils" were brought from India to work on Tea Plantations and other manual labour in Colomb. Tamil sentiments in India vary places to places, it is pretty low in places like Chennai, it is extremely high in places like Trichy, and the entire coastal towns bordering SL. The Food and culture are mostly same(wedding ceremony, puberty function for girls(lol)). The only difference is the accent from the main stream Tamil in India and main stream accent in SL (British and American accent) but Senthamizh(professional way of speaking) is the same. There are many Tamil accents, some Indian villages would confuse the crap out of you. Obviously we share the same history, google "Ram's bridge" it shows that Ind and SL are nearly connected. Google King Ashoka's map and look how he owned entire India-Pakistan-Afg, except the current state of Tamil Nadu/Kerala and SL. The plan on how they prevented him from conquering along with many thousands of historic artifacts were smuggled to SL when TN was invaded YEARS later, unfortunately SL government burned them about 35 years ago to stop separatist movement.

 

[Thivagar]

Oh yes, Tamils are more rational. That is why it took 2012 when dalits got to enter a 120 year old temple for the first time. I salute the anti caste empowerment in TN and hope other states catch up.

The 2 of the main political parties in Tamil Nadu were started to crush the caste system through "Anti-Brahmanism". Caste system was relatively new(several hundred years) and didn't have them in the past in TN. As usual, they did everything except crushing the caste system. I'm learning about caste system through this forum than i have ever learned. I didn't know the name of different castes except "Brahmins", and I don't know my caste either nor do i want to know. So i guess the caste system is finally coming down. In 20 years, the caste system will be fully gone for good.

 

[Thivagar]

Thats because all the illiterate Mallus are in Bangalore.

Malayalees are the most educated people in India, hope you like a lot of sugars, cause you gotta hot pie coming on your way to be served hot

 

[Thivagar]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] read post #233. I forgot to quote you

 

[mithun_minhas]

South Indians are rational minded. What is rational minded? Belief in religion? Casteism? Personality cult? This statement is flawed at so many levels.

Most Indians are religious and cannot think anything past religion. A small percentage of educated ones do not mind religion or Astrology etc etc...

South India is as stupid as North India when it comes to superstitions and religion. Just look at Satya Sai Baba, Bala Sai Baba, Nithyananda and his millions of followers..... Surely South India cannot be considered Rational.

The only thing is, it is hard to rile up South Indians than North Indians based on religion. BJP/RSS have been trying the Ram Mandir issue for over 3 decades and have not succeeded much except for Karnataka.

We can safely say that South Indians are not as Jazbaati as Northies when it comes to Hinduism. It is understandable. That does not make South Indians rational.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The 2 of the main political parties in Tamil Nadu were started to crush the caste system through "Anti-Brahmanism". Caste system was relatively new(several hundred years) and didn't have them in the past in TN. As usual, they did everything except crushing the caste system. I'm learning about caste system through this forum than i have ever learned. I didn't know the name of different castes except "Brahmins", and I don't know my caste either nor do i want to know. So i guess the caste system is finally coming down. In 20 years, the caste system will be fully gone for good.

That is why it was LOLworthy to read Tamils are "rational minded" when caste apartheid is still being practiced in pockets of tamil nadu even in this century.

 

[mithun_minhas]

The 2 of the main political parties in Tamil Nadu were started to crush the caste system through "Anti-Brahmanism". Caste system was relatively new(several hundred years) and didn't have them in the past in TN. As usual, they did everything except crushing the caste system. I'm learning about caste system through this forum than i have ever learned. I didn't know the name of different castes except "Brahmins", and I don't know my caste either nor do i want to know. So i guess the caste system is finally coming down. In 20 years, the caste system will be fully gone for good.

I hear that its castes like Thevars, Muduliar vs Dalits in Tamilnadu
A lot of Iyers and Iyengars ran away from Tamilnadu during the Dravidian movement. Most settled in Karnataka, Mumbai and Delhi.

 

[Thivagar]

I hear that its castes like Thevars, Muduliar vs Dalits in Tamilnadu
A lot of Iyers and Iyengars ran away from Tamilnadu during the Dravidian movement. Most settled in Karnataka, Mumbai and Delhi.

I heard of Thevar and Mudaliar(rare) but never Dalits. There is a kamalhassan's movie by the name of Thevar's son. Caste system is declining and but it is still a big issue in some rural villages. All i know is some caste members aren't allowed to visit certain temples(mainly in non-famous community temples). It is less among SL tamils, our last name don't say anything about any caste, but its still there because my grandma felt that it is ok to provide water to people "lower caste" in a coconut shell. I don't know how the heck she was brainwashed into doing such things like that. Only few years ago i had my first "caste moment" when this girl asked me what caste I was. I was taken back a bit by that comment. I don't know how what my ancestors did to survive couple of hundred years ago affects how people look at me.

Lot of Iyers were accused of enhancing the caste system in TN, I do not know whether it is true or not but from what I know, it is Iyers vs everyone(except the "lower caste"). Among the youth (30 or younger) people don't care about caste at all. Unlike TN, in SL the iyers can't be recognized by their physical looks or accent.

 

[Thivagar]

That is why it was LOLworthy to read Tamils are "rational minded" when caste apartheid is still being practiced in pockets of tamil nadu even in this century.

Only education stop this caste BS, but the issue is there are 100s of schools on paper but the don't exist in real life. Corruption at best.