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Speed Watch 2019: IPL vs PSL

sshakir411 said:
PSL quickie gets a WC spot. Where is the IPL quick? We’ve heard of Indian bowlers hitting 150kph but no one has cut it in international cricket
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This is you argument? Really?

Different teams have different cut-off points of performances and requirements. Please refer the thread below for recent data.

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sshakir411 said:
PSL quickie gets a WC spot. Where is the IPL quick? We’ve heard of Indian bowlers hitting 150kph but no one has cut it in international cricket
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They have to replace Bumrah or Shami. You think thats a easy job? Its much easier to replace Wahab Riaz and co.
 
saeed5646 said:
who are you to decide shaheen have not high ceiling?Ex non Pakistani cricketers are saying same thing i guess they know better than you and me

I have not said he is 25 year old .i know his age
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Just like Mohammad Amir was the second coming of Wasim Akram.

Inzy was as good as Tendulkar.

Ahmed Shehzad more talented than Sachin.

Etc etc etc. The less said about the hype that ex pakistani cricketers create. The better.
 
sshakir411 said:
PSL quickie gets a WC spot. Where is the IPL quick? We’ve heard of Indian bowlers hitting 150kph but no one has cut it in international cricket
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Its easier to get a spot in a 6th or 7th ranked team than a 2nd ranked team.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Just like Mohammad Amir was the second coming of Wasim Akram.

Inzy was as good as Tendulkar.

Ahmed Shehzad more talented than Sachin.

Etc etc etc. The less said about the hype that ex pakistani cricketers create. The better.
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hahahaaha you are so predictable .

you need to test your eye sight i guess EX Non pakistani means not former pakistan cricketer.Smith,nasir hussain,holding and kane waillamson i am talking about .

saeed5646 said:
who are you to decide shaheen have not high ceiling?Ex non Pakistani cricketers are saying same thing i guess they know better than you and me
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cricketjoshila said:
They have to replace Bumrah or Shami. You think thats a easy job? Its much easier to replace Wahab Riaz and co.
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he can replace b,kumar who average close to 35 in odis and playing a worldcup .it must be embarrassing to have continue to thakar,kaul ,siraj when you claim to be have atleast 8 150 kph bowler
 
saeed5646 said:
he can replace b,kumar who average close to 35 in odis and playing a worldcup .it must be embarrassing to have continue to thakar,kaul ,siraj when you claim to be have atleast 8 150 kph bowler
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Indian selection works on a system. Kaul and Thakur performed well in the domestics and Siraj in the India A series to get a call up.

Rest have to do the same.

It must be really embarassing that you claim to have a factory of fast bowlers yet your captain claims they are slow.
 
saeed5646 said:
it is t20 format thread which we are number 1 from almost 2 years:cobra .Also have number 1 batsmen .keep your arrogance in check:sendoff .
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Didnot know that the World cup is in T20 format.

Half the teams dont play their best teams in T20 format.

Anyways India is ranked 1in tests. 2 in odis and T20s.

Pakistan is ranked 1 in T20s and what 6-7 in Odis and tests?

Next time dont ask why its easier to get into pakistani team and not the Indian team.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Indian selection works on a system. Kaul and Thakur performed well in the domestics and Siraj in the India A series to get a call up.

Rest have to do the same.
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but you claim to have 5 bowler who can bowl close to 150 which is extra ordinary and rare in current cricket .it is odd that none is quality enough to play ahead of medicore bowler like kumar.either they are not good enough with other skill or there fitness is just like khaleel who is trundling at 130 kph who was 150 bowler

cricketjoshila said:
It must be really embarassing that you claim to have a factory of fast bowlers yet your captain claims they are slow.
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what really embarrassing is abbas with mediocre team have outperformed your all time great bowler like bumrah and shami which is quite a achievement .So don,t know why are so high on that.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Didnot know that the World cup is in T20 format.

Half the teams dont play their best teams in T20 format.

Anyways India is ranked 1in tests. 2 in odis and T20s.

Pakistan is ranked 1 in T20s and what 6-7 in Odis and tests?

Next time dont ask why its easier to get into pakistani team and not the Indian team.
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T20 is cricket future and last time i checked you full squad team was playing against aus so don,t lie about team don,t take t20 seriously .anything that losing his charm is bilateral odis which is replaced by t20s.obviously why would you care about t20 when your team is neither number 1 or batsmen or bowler in top 2 ranking
 
saeed5646 said:
but you claim to have 5 bowler who can bowl close to 150 which is extra ordinary and rare in current cricket .it is odd that none is quality enough to play ahead of medicore bowler like kumar.either they are not good enough with other skill or there fitness is just like khaleel who is trundling at 130 kph who was 150 bowler



what really embarrassing is abbas with mediocre team have outperformed your all time great bowler like bumrah and shami which is quite a achievement .So don,t know why are so high on that.
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150k is fine. But Bhuvi has bowled well at death and his only the third choice bowler who will not be in the playing 11. Saini is at number 4 and has been kept as standby. He doesnot have enough India A experience yet. He is surely next in line.

Yadav was in the test team in australia and england. Aaron is coming back fron injury and Prasidh is yet to play a full FC season.

And Indian team is not in a desperate situation.

So players have to come in via the established system.

Lol. Abbas is a one trick one format bowler. His effectiveness was seen when he struggled againist NZ and then SA.

Performing againist WI Ireland etc is no big deal.

Why is this better than Bumrah Shami bowler not in the WC squad?
 
saeed5646 said:
T20 is cricket future and last time i checked you full squad team was playing against aus so don,t lie about team don,t take t20 seriously .anything that losing his charm is bilateral odis which is replaced by t20s.obviously why would you care about t20 when your team is neither number 1 or batsmen or bowler in top 2 ranking
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So you sitting here decide the future of cricket. Lol.

Just because pakistan plays a lot of T20 doesnot mean its the future and rest of the cricket is losing its charm.

My team is no.1 of no.2 in all formats. Its not languishing at no.6 or 7 in any format.

Pakistan team is mediocre in 2 out of 3 formats. What are you boasting about?
 
saeed5646 said:
T20 is cricket future and last time i checked you full squad team was playing against aus so don,t lie about team don,t take t20 seriously .anything that losing his charm is bilateral odis which is replaced by t20s.obviously why would you care about t20 when your team is neither number 1 or batsmen or bowler in top 2 ranking
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Againist Australia

Shami and Bhuvi didnot play a match. Kuldeep didnot play.
Rohit played 1 match
Dhawan played 1 match.
Pandya didnot play.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Lol. Abbas is a one trick one format bowler. His effectiveness was seen when he struggled againist NZ and then SA.

Performing againist WI Ireland etc is no big deal.

Why is this better than Bumrah Shami bowler not in the WC squad?
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but what is this .where are bumrah and shami .No way near icc test bowling ranking.Abbas have performed well against aus and england in eng the same place where your bowler could not bail you out of 4-1 thumping so don,t tell one side of story .First decide which topic you want to argue so we can discuss .you are running away from test format hahahaha so desperate.
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cricketjoshila said:
So you sitting here decide the future of cricket. Lol.
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atleast i am not questioning former cricketer view about shaheeen shah afridi.Lol your comments are also not as important as you think it are.
Simple question why are t20s house full instead of odis where half the ground is empty .Want to know more popularity about t20s?

cricketjoshila said:
Just because pakistan plays a lot of T20 doesnot mean its the future and rest of the cricket is losing its charm.

My team is no.1 of no.2 in all formats. Its not languishing at no.6 or 7 in any format.

Pakistan team is mediocre in 2 out of 3 formats. What are you boasting about?
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i have never said that pakistan is formidable side in test and odis .but your down playing pakistan ranking in t20s is laughable and sound like sour loser .don,t be like that it is cricket rule and deal with it .
 
cricketjoshila said:
Againist Australia

Shami and Bhuvi didnot play a match. Kuldeep didnot play.
Rohit played 1 match
Dhawan played 1 match.
Pandya didnot play.
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how many regular matches shami have played in t20i for india ?he is not regular.Whether played one match or three they have played with full strength available side so your excuse is laughable .there were part of series and selected for t20 series .isnot that enough?
 
saeed5646 said:
but what is this .where are bumrah and shami .No way near icc test bowling ranking.Abbas have performed well against aus and england in eng the same place where your bowler could not bail you out of 4-1 thumping so don,t tell one side of story .First decide which topic you want to argue so we can discuss .you are running away from test format hahahaha so desperate.
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Wickets againist minnows still count.Dont they?

What did Abbas do in SA? Avgd 45? Your team couldnot win anything.

Shami and Bumrah won their team a test series in Aus. When was the last time Pakistan won a test in Aus?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Wickets againist minnows still count.Dont they?

What did Abbas do in SA? Avgd 45? Your team couldnot win anything.
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what is bowling average of bumrah and shami compare to abbas in england?abbas have just started a career and already have 10 wicket haul at lords which you many medicore bowler of past can only dream off
cricketjoshila said:
Shami and Bumrah won their team a test series in Aus. When was the last time Pakistan won a test in Aus?
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the same all time great shami and bumrah could not win you a test series in SA where SL newbie white wash them .such a shame for number one team:broad
 
saeed5646 said:
how many regular matches shami have played in t20i for india ?he is not regular.Whether played one match or three they have played with full strength available side so your excuse is laughable .there were part of series and selected for t20 series .isnot that enough?
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Shami was a regular till his knee surgery. After which he was being preserved for tests. Now that he is bowling fine he is back in all 3 sides.

You understand the meaning of team not playing full side in T20s. It means they rest them. Doesnot matter if they are available for selection or not.
 
saeed5646 said:
what is bowling average of bumrah and shami compare to abbas in england?abbas have just started a career and already have 10 wicket haul at lords which you many medicore bowler of past can only dream off


the same all time great shami and bumrah could not win you a test series in SA where SL newbie white wash them .such a shame for number one team:broad
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What is the bowling avg of Abbas vs SA and NZ?

Just at the start of his career Bumrah has won a test series in Aus and won his team a test in SA, when was the last time Pakistan won a test in SA or Aus? Or even draw one?

SL beat Pak in UAE. If they are mediocre, what is pakistan?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Shami was a regular till his knee surgery. After which he was being preserved for tests. Now that he is bowling fine he is back in all 3 sides.
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You have mentioned shami in your list .so you tell me why he have only played 7 t20s after clearing the injury from a year or 2 .he is not regular in t20s how hard it is to understand

cricketjoshila said:
You understand the meaning of team not playing full side in T20s. It means they rest them. Doesnot matter if they are available for selection or not.
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first time i am hearing this logic from you either you rest them totally or select them for whole series.why was eilte player in chahal ,kohli and bumrah was playing that series?
 
cricketjoshila said:
What is the bowling avg of Abbas vs SA and NZ?

Just at the start of his career Bumrah has won a test series in Aus and won his team a test in SA, when was the last time Pakistan won a test in SA or Aus? Or even draw one?

SL beat Pak in UAE. If they are mediocre, what is pakistan?
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injury lay off .he was not ready for Sa series due to injury ,If you answer my question about bumrah and shami bowling average in eng compare to abbas i will answer yours.SL is better side than pakistan but not near to india why they did beat sa and india with all time great bumrah and shami could not?

abbas have won us test at lords and instrumental to series draw .is not a great acheivement at so early in career .when steyn already predicted he will be number 1 soon:ua
 
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saeed5646 said:
injury lay off .he was not ready for Sa series due to injury ,If you answer my question about bumrah and shami bowling average in eng compare to abbas i will answer yours.SL is better side than pakistan but not near to india why they did beat sa and india with all time great bumrah and shami could not?

abbas have won us test at lords and instrumental to series draw .is not a great acheivement at so early in career .when steyn already predicted he will be number 1 soon:ua
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What happened to Abbas vs NZ?

If injury layoff is the reason for Abbas then same for Bumrah as he missed two tests with injury.

Who said Bumrah and Shami are ATG?But presently they are better than any pakistani fast bowler across three formats.

Bumrah won us a test in SA Aus and Eng.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So you sitting here decide the future of cricket. Lol.

Just because pakistan plays a lot of T20 doesnot mean its the future and rest of the cricket is losing its charm.

My team is no.1 of no.2 in all formats. Its not languishing at no.6 or 7 in any format.

Pakistan team is mediocre in 2 out of 3 formats. What are you boasting about?
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This is a t20 thread & we are the NO1.

no tests or odi but T20 , keep your boasting to yourself 🤦🏽*♂️ Typical Indian lol
 
cricketjoshila said:
What happened to Abbas vs NZ?

If injury layoff is the reason for Abbas then same for Bumrah as he missed two tests with injury.

Who said Bumrah and Shami are ATG?But presently they are better than any pakistani fast bowler across three formats.

Bumrah won us a test in SA Aus and Eng.
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why abbas is ranked higher than both in test? .Don,t tell me icc ranking don,t count now?fahim is ranked 9th while bumrah 16th.i don,t know what you are own about bcci must have release new ranking for cricket.
 
Mirpur express said:
This is a t20 thread & we are the NO1.

no tests or odi but T20 , keep your boasting to yourself 🤦🏽*♂️ Typical Indian lol
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This is a league comparision. Guess which league is number one.

Speed guns have shown 5 Indians clocking above 150ks. Seems some Pakistanis cant accept that.

Some Pakistani posters brought in the world cup squad selection theory since they cant beat the speed gun.
 
saeed5646 said:
why abbas is ranked higher than both in test? .Don,t tell me icc ranking don,t count now?fahim is ranked 9th while bumrah 16th.i don,t know what you are own about bcci must have release new ranking for cricket.
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Where is Fahim ranked 9th in test bowlers?
 
saeed5646 said:
the same all time great shami and bumrah could not win you a test series in SA where SL newbie white wash them .such a shame for number one team:broad
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LOL, Sri Lanka whitewashed a certain Asian team at home 2-0 just a year ago. The exact same Sri Lankan team that India whitewashed in Tests, ODI's and T20's in Sri Lanka. Guess the team? :)))
 
Hitman said:
LOL, Sri Lanka whitewashed a certain Asian team at home 2-0 just a year ago. The exact same Sri Lankan team that India whitewashed in Tests, ODI's and T20's in Sri Lanka. Guess the team? :)))
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SL IS currently BETTER TEST team than pakistan .No shame in admitting that ,infact they are best asian team to win two test series in sena countries in last ten years :srt.Shame same cannot be said for number one test side:broad
 
saeed5646 said:
SL IS currently BETTER TEST team than pakistan .No shame in admitting that ,infact they are best asian team to win two test series in sena countries in last ten years :srt.Shame same cannot be said for number one test side:broad
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LOL, so they are the best Asian team based on that. But it doesn't matter that they were whitewashed in Tests, ODI's and T20's that too at home by a certain Asian team? :))

BTW, were Sri Lanka better than Pak when the whitewash happened? I really have my doubts :))
 
Hitman said:
LOL, so they are the best Asian team based on that. But it doesn't matter that they were whitewashed in Tests, ODI's and T20's that too at home by a certain Asian team? :))

BTW, were Sri Lanka better than Pak when the whitewash happened? I really have my doubts :))
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so predictable so the trend of Sena countries from indian fan have vanished quickly when it don,t favor them.i wish they could have visit Aus like certain team .I am lost for numbers how many a certain team have to visit to aus to win a series .Sl could have easily edit aus series win by visiting them regularly

sl have england series win in england +white wash to SA .None from number 1:ua
 
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saeed5646 said:
so predictable so the trend of Sena countries from indian fan have vanished quickly when it don,t favor them.i wish they could have visit Aus like certain team .I am lost for numbers how many a certain team have to visit to aus to win a series .Sl could have easily edit aus series win by visiting them regularly

sl have england series win in england +white wash to SA .None from number 1:ua
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Where does a SENA team or an Asian team come into the equation? The debate is about Sri Lanka and India. India came to Sri Lanka and then white washed them in Tests, ODI's and T20's. What does that prove?

Sri Lanka can win 100 more series in SENA, but they got their nose rubbed in the dust at their home by India.

A debate between the superiority of 2 teams is based on their head to head performance, not how they did against other countries. If they don't go head to head, then their performance against other countries becomes the criteria.

Nice try, I can understand. Don't be disheartened :))
 
Hitman said:
Where does a SENA team or an Asian team come into the equation? The debate is about Sri Lanka and India. India came to Sri Lanka and then white washed them in Tests, ODI's and T20's. What does that prove?

Sri Lanka can win 100 more series in SENA, but they got their nose rubbed in the dust at their home by India.

A debate between the superiority of 2 teams is based on their head to head performance, not how they did against other countries. If they don't go head to head, then their performance against other countries becomes the criteria.

Nice try, I can understand. Don't be disheartened :))
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debate was about psl vs ipl speed but when some question was raised to indian fans they could not resist and involved the topic which was completely non related to the op .BTW don,t forget how long it took you to win a test series in sl like 25 years?so don,t be that arrogant about recent victory .there odi and t20 team are trash and was white wash in both by pakistan so i don,t know why you have to bring that and chest pump

Bilateral series of asian countries in test is least important compare to win in away series like eng,sa .obviously you guys don,t like to bring back the memory of 27-4 in aus,sa,nz and eng:srt
 
saeed5646 said:
Not surprised. I guess they should follow more about individual cricketer before disrespecting him.
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Rishabh Pant is the next big thing in cricket but Shaheen Shah can't be. I predicted this long time ago that Shaheen will make his debut way before Nagarkotti and Mavi because he plays for a country where fast bowlers are valued. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Rishabh Pant is the next big thing in cricket but Shaheen Shah can't be. I predicted this long time ago that Shaheen will make his debut way before Nagarkotti and Mavi because he plays for a country where fast bowlers are valued. :inti
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pretty accurate prediction .you were damn right
 
First and last warning.

Read the title of the thread, then comment.

Any further irrelevant or off-topic comments will be removed.

Hope that's clear.
 
saeed5646 said:
pretty accurate prediction .you were damn right
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India with Shami and Bumrah doesnot need to throw a 19yr old into the mix to save itself. Pakistan desperately needs to.

Pant has scored centuries in Eng and Aus. Any other wk from Asia has done that?
 
Very strange thread.

Ian Bishop keeps talking about up the young Indian fast bowlers, and he knows a thing or 2 about bowling quick.

Rishabh Pant, Shaw and Gill would all be going to the WC if they were Pakistani.
 
145ks are effortlessly achieved by many bowlers. Some are harder to face. I guess it comes down to release, length they hit, channel they bowl at. Not all 145 k bowlers are treated the same. Dhoni absolutely destroyed Umesh yadav's 148k balls.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Very strange thread.

Ian Bishop keeps talking about up the young Indian fast bowlers, and he knows a thing or 2 about bowling quick.

Rishabh Pant, Shaw and Gill would all be going to the WC if they were Pakistani.
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No, they won't have gone to WC, because they are not 29 (at least) yet - unless they have close relatives at key positions. But I get your point - 3 players officially 29 with that caliber would start every game for PAK, in every format.
 
There was no desperation .Pak ignored shinwari who is a proven performer and went for hasnain because they saw potential in him, this is what Pak has done in past to with waseem And others . To say that Pak selected a teenager in desperation is plain stupid
 
Sin Nombre said:
Very strange thread.

Ian Bishop keeps talking about up the young Indian fast bowlers, and he knows a thing or 2 about bowling quick.

Rishabh Pant, Shaw and Gill would all be going to the WC if they were Pakistani.
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Indeed it’s strange. WAseem akram described hasnain as a great find and he had him in his WC team, yet his selection is being termed desperate attempt by Pak. Waseem knows more about fast bowling than anyone else!
 
cricketjoshila said:
India with Shami and Bumrah doesnot need to throw a 19yr old into the mix to save itself. Pakistan desperately needs to.

Pant has scored centuries in Eng and Aus. Any other wk from Asia has done that?
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So why india tried khaleel ahmed was not he too young? he was 20 year old when made debut which was failed try and now look where is your 20 year old khaleel compare to shaheen 😂😂.Shaheen don.t need your approval. He is quality bowler and have a excellent start.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Bumrah is ranked in top 20 in all formats. Lol. Faheem Ashraf who?
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It should be asked to indian fans how did fahim reach in top 10 in t20 ranking and bumrah couldn't😂😂😂.

Btw have icc introduced new ranking particularly for joint three format .There official site is still showing all three format separately
 
saeed5646 said:
It should be asked to indian fans how did fahim reach in top 10 in t20 ranking and bumrah couldn't������.

Btw have icc introduced new ranking particularly for joint three format .There official site is still showing all three format separately
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The reason being Bumrah does not play too many T20Is. He gets rested for such games while Fahim plays almost all T20 games Pakistan play even when they are against Zimbabwe or Ireland or Scotland.

Ashraf has played 21 T20I's since January of 2018. In the same time Bumrah has played only 10. That is the reason for Bumrah not being able to break into top 10. There is no difference in performance of the two players over that time, in fact Bumrah's record is better.
 
giri26 said:
The reason being Bumrah does not play too many T20Is. He gets rested for such games while Fahim plays almost all T20 games Pakistan play even when they are against Zimbabwe or Ireland or Scotland.

Ashraf has played 21 T20I's since January of 2018. In the same time Bumrah has played only 10. That is the reason for Bumrah not being able to break into top 10. There is no difference in performance of the two players over that time, in fact Bumrah's record is better.
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Every time a player misses a t20i he loses 2% of his rating points. All Pakistani players play all their t20i matches. Good for them. :)
 
giri26 said:
The reason being Bumrah does not play too many T20Is. He gets rested for such games while Fahim plays almost all T20 games Pakistan play even when they are against Zimbabwe or Ireland or Scotland.

Ashraf has played 21 T20I's since January of 2018. In the same time Bumrah has played only 10. That is the reason for Bumrah not being able to break into top 10. There is no difference in performance of the two players over that time, in fact Bumrah's record is better.
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I know each and every thing .there are alot of flaws in icc ranking system but this is what it is whether you play against Papua Guinea or Eng it shows your consistent performances and fahim is there for reason .if we want to go by only against top team in t20i.Amir have better record than bumrah so if any one deserves to be on top in icc t20 ranking it should be amir .
 
saeed5646 said:
I know each and every thing .there are alot of flaws in icc ranking system but this is what it is whether you play against Papua Guinea or Eng it shows your consistent performances and fahim is there for reason .if we want to go by only against top team in t20i.Amir have better record than bumrah so if any one deserves to be on top in icc t20 ranking it should be amir .
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The major point I made completely skipped you. The reason why Bumrah is not in top 10 is he does not play enough. He gets rested for T20I games most of the times.
 
Thankfully the admin has posted a warning for all the irrelevant jibberish. Every time there is a discussion involving India and Pakistan, things start to get sour very quickly from both sides. Pakistani side has their own few guys who will keep coming at them while India have a few who ensure it starts with a bang on every forum.
@bhagvirubhag and @freelancecricketer are two of my favorite posters from across the border who keep things calm and cool and avoid the so called banter.
 
What happens to these speedsters when they bowl in test matches ? Aamir was bowling at Stuart binny pace in tests. Abbas was even slower lol. Minnow level trundlers currently. Although yes, they can bowl the odd ball at 90 mph in a t20.

However, worry not my brother's in green with the arrival of potential atgs like Shaheen, Hasnain and haris rauf , the days of your test attack trundling hopelessly may finally be over. :)
 
Nikhil_cric said:
What happens to these speedsters when they bowl in test matches ? Aamir was bowling at Stuart binny pace in tests. Abbas was even slower lol. Minnow level trundlers currently. Although yes, they can bowl the odd ball at 90 mph in a t20.

However, worry not my brother's in green with the arrival of potential atgs like Shaheen, Hasnain and haris rauf , the days of your test attack trundling hopelessly may finally be over. :)
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when they can outperformed the atg pacer like bumrah and shami in test from past one year then why do they need speed? they are doing there job .batsmen are not doing there job for pakistan in test.i have used filter only for top 7 .i have not included ireland to further boast pakistani pacer bowling average
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,Atleast we have not the bowler who is worse in test cricket for 200 wicket sir ishant sharma .did his career average have dropped from 35 or not?
 
saeed5646 said:
when they can outperformed the atg pacer like bumrah and shami in test from past one year then why do they need speed? they are doing there job .batsmen are not doing there job for pakistan in test.i have used filter only for top 7 .i have not included ireland to further boast pakistani pacer bowling average
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,Atleast we have not the bowler who is worse in test cricket for 200 wicket sir ishant sharma .did his career average have dropped from 35 or not?
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Lol this thread is about bowling speeds. And calm down. Indian bowling attack performed much better in Australia and in SA. You don't need stats to see that.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lol this thread is about bowling speeds. And calm down. Indian bowling attack performed much better in Australia and in SA. You don't need stats to see that.
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thread was about t20 not test:genius .of course stats don,t matter when it don,t suite your country .i answer to your question which you asked .
Nikhil_cric said:
What happens to these speedsters when they bowl in test matches ?
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saeed5646 said:
thread was about t20 not test:genius .of course stats don,t matter when it don,t suite your country .i answer to your question which you asked .
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This thread is about IPL and PSL. Why are you bringing up international cricket? The fact is 5 Indian bowlers + 2-3 international bowlers have touched 150k in IPL. That’s all what this thread is about.

If you want to compare international T20, then others have the right to bring in international LOI and test bowling too. Stick to the scope of the discussion and not change the topic since it suits you.
 
Sidilicious said:
This thread is about IPL and PSL. Why are you bringing up international cricket? The fact is 5 Indian bowlers + 2-3 international bowlers have touched 150k in IPL. That’s all what this thread is about.

If you want to compare international T20, then others have the right to bring in international LOI and test bowling too. Stick to the scope of the discussion and not change the topic since it suits you.
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it is all started from 201 post .Read and decide who went off topic deliberately and started useless argument .
 
saeed5646 said:
when they can outperformed the atg pacer like bumrah and shami in test from past one year then why do they need speed? they are doing there job .batsmen are not doing there job for pakistan in test.i have used filter only for top 7 .i have not included ireland to further boast pakistani pacer bowling average
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,Atleast we have not the bowler who is worse in test cricket for 200 wicket sir ishant sharma .did his career average have dropped from 35 or not?
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This is the first honest post in this thread from you. Good job. As good as Abbas for Pakistan.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
What happens to these speedsters when they bowl in test matches ? Aamir was bowling at Stuart binny pace in tests. Abbas was even slower lol. Minnow level trundlers currently. Although yes, they can bowl the odd ball at 90 mph in a

However, worry not my brother's in green with the arrival of potential atgs like Shaheen, Hasnain and haris rauf , the days of your test attack trundling hopelessly may finally be over. :)
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How long was the period when he were lacking genuine fast bowler? India has just started getting genuine fast bowler.one Indian here was saying that it must be embarrassing for Pakistan that they did not had a single speedster during Sa tour , by the same token for our neighbours it should be a lifetime of embarrassment
 
ali2220 said:
How long was the period when he were lacking genuine fast bowler? India has just started getting genuine fast bowler.one Indian here was saying that it must be embarrassing for Pakistan that they did not had a single speedster during Sa tour , by the same token for our neighbours it should be a lifetime of embarrassment
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Don't mind these arrogant fans. We do have few 145k bowlers like Bumrah and they do take wickets but we don't have bowlers who can run through batting line ups like Akhtar, Akram, Younis used to do. They have bowled so many memorable spells and won matches for their side alone. Indian bowlers look up to them when they start their careers. :inti
 
Back on topic. Sandeep warrier who played for KKR other day clocked around 144 kph. Got a bit of movement. But he has missed his bus. He is like 27 now. Was a potential few years back. India is producing more and more fast bowlers who crank up speed.
 
cricketjoshila said:
[MENTION=140266]JattMaula[/MENTION]

Did you watch Saini's over againist RR?
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Yes. But he was obviously at advantage pace wise as he had to bowl only one over that night :).

I was more impressed with his recovery after being clobbered in first 2 balls.
 
JattMaula said:
Yes. But he was obviously at advantage pace wise as he had to bowl only one over that night :).

I was more impressed with his recovery after being clobbered in first 2 balls.
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Still multiple balls at 150ks plus. Touching 95mph. This is express stuff.
 
Rightarmfast said:
And whats wrong in that? Whats wrong in admitting that we were not good enough earlier? The discussion is about today! People like you will bend backwards to prove Indians are poorer than Pakistan. Historically Pakistan could be superior in fast bowling, but not anymore. You can rant about bowlers losing pace, but thats just because you have lost touch. Indian bowlers in the last 8-9 yrs have only increased their pace. While Pakistanis like Hassan, amir and co have consistently gone down in pace, and just in the last series, the whole Pakistan was crying as to why the bowlers are so slow.
Dont be so daft!

We dont need a superstar who could run through a side, we have a trio which has performed the best in the history of test cricket. And that too, without bottle openers!
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Kind of difficult for some to understand that if one has ""I hate ipl glasses"" on. . It's a different story that same poster is updated about what happens on every ball in ipl perhaps even before cricinfo can update on their webpage. Ignore them
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Back on topic. Sandeep warrier who played for KKR other day clocked around 144 kph. Got a bit of movement. But he has missed his bus. He is like 27 now. Was a potential few years back. India is producing more and more fast bowlers who crank up speed.
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How can you miss the bus at 27?
 
Not as quick as Saini this year but Wahab did clock 154kph last PSL - this years speeds for Pak bowlers are as follows (ones I recorded anyway for deliveries from 145kph/90mph)

Mohammed Husnain - 151kph (19 years old)
Wahab Riaz - 151kph
Haris Rauf - 149kph (not played any first class cricket - should have been in World Cup squad in my opinion)
Mohammed Irfan Snr - 148kph
Mohammed Musa - 148kph (18 years old)
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 147kph (19 years old)
Usman Shinwari - 146kph
Hassan Ali - 146kph
Sameen Gul - 146kph
Mohammed Amir - 145kph
 
I would not trust any of these IPL PSL speeds 100%. You can see Hasnain who easily clocked 150ks in PSL struggling to hit the 145k mark consistently in today’s game. When the going gets tough I would expect even further reduction in speeds.
 
BDfanforever said:
I would not trust any of these IPL PSL speeds 100%. You can see Hasnain who easily clocked 150ks in PSL struggling to hit the 145k mark consistently in today’s game. When the going gets tough I would expect even further reduction in speeds.
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dude this is his debut in t20 +his first ever game in english condition.btw in his fourth over 5 out of 6 was above 90 mph .

if you need further prove about his pace in international cricket then there are some

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Hasnain announces himself to batsmen around the world:<br><br>On a very slow pitch, 91mph bouncer to Aaron Finch<br>Finch's eyes closed<br>Finch is so late on the shot<br>Ball smashes into his helmet<br>Change of batting helmet<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1109849240522637313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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this following are his speed recorded against aus in uae .
Mohammad Hasnain's first over: 142.8kph, 142.7kph, 146.2kph, ?, 141.7kph, 147.4kph
2nd over: 140.6kph, 146.9kph, 147.5kph, 147.5kph, 146.3kph, 143.2kph
3rd over: 145.4kph, 144.2kph, 142.1kph, 141.6kph, 141.0kph, 142.4kph
4th over: ?, 134.5kph, 143.7kph, 144.0kph, 143.0kph, 144.1kph
5th over: 143.2kph, 143.3kph, 143.4kph, 138.2kph, 143.9kph, 143.0kph
6th over: 143.7kph, 140.5kph, 142.1kph, 141.2kph, 145.4kph, 139.0kph
7th over: 141.0kph, 146.2kph, 129.6kph, 147.9kph, 128.4kph, 140.0kph, 143.5kph
148.1 kph yorker in his 9th over.
 
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