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Was going on in the India ODIs as well. He has come back BUILT. Best to ignore the usual speed gun merchants.
 
The thing is, Whippy, speed guns are irrelevant in this discussion. Steven Finn is bowling FAST - it looks fast, it acts fast. It's no one-off, I watched him in a televised game against Derbyshire and he was getting at their throats with quite some venom. He has surprised me as much as anyone, but even if the speed guns are flattering him at all, he still looks faster and more threatening than he has ever done before.

Very exciting from an English perspective. Anderson, Broad, Tremlett, Finn, Bresnan - bowling as they have been lately, they'd all get into any other team in the world.
 
I went to the match at Leicester between U19 England and Pakistan U19 in 2008. He was bowling around 84mph then and he looked good(i came back from match and told a colleague that i had seen a future England bowler). He was the best bowler on show followed by Amir. Chris Woakes also played and seeing him close up the time he looked around 75mph. He has since gone up to 83mph. Its called conditioning.
 
^ 16 year old Amir was the best bowler on show during that series easily, he was getting up to 88mph.

Finn has improved massively, didn't look very good early on but with this speed gain, he'll start being a handful. Completely transformed bowler, they should keep him in their first choice LO teams for now and see how he goes, will allow the likes of Anderson, Broad to be rested now and again who play in all three formats.
 
missed him....ws wtchng CLT20.............will watch Fidel bowl now.......

BTW saw Dernbach touch 90mph....
 
in_cutter said:
Just another conspiracy I suppose :facepalm:

Everything is fixed :facepalm:
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lol its sarcasm i find it quite hilarious when people say the speed gun is fixed or any medium pace trundler can hit 90 on england pitches..

the guy was deadly fast speed gun or no speed gun
 
I liked Finn from the first time I saw him bowl. Gun. Total wicket machine.

Broad can bowl 150kph too if he wants to. Usually when he's angry. :))
 
Patrick Cummins is faster than steven Finn.
Steaming in at 93/94mph in chennai pitch :akhtar
Got a good slow ball too
 
akheR said:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=4161964&postcount=123

:)

Not watching, but Pat Cummins is the only 'express' bowler in the near future, until Pakistan, Australia & West Indies found new gem(s) and the young lad avoid the usual fast bowler's injuries.
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Pak cummins Fastest = 150.5kmph , slowest = 100kmph and Average = 140.1kmph
average is down because of few slow deliveries ..

he bowled pretty well, 4 overs for 13 runs with a single maiden and took a wicket.
if he can bowl 150 at chennai's hot and humid weather, surely he can bowl 155+ in other friendly surface

But he dont have a yorker in his arsenal :waqar:wahab
 
Whippy said:
Very difficult for me to pin down my opinion on Finn.

His test match record is nothing short of superb. He took a big haul at Brisbane, which included a brilliant hour against Katich and Clarke and a mopping up of the tail which got England back into the game - moreover, anyone who saw the second innings at Adelaide, when Broad was injured and Finn spent a whole afternoon bowling with venom and control on a flat pitch, would surely rate the lad.

And then he turns up against India and bowls like Akhtar. His figures are average but his pace and stamina were ludicrous.

He's an exciting bowler. To have already done all of the above at the age of 22 cannot be underestimated. Remember that Anderson took many many years to develop into a consistent, world-class bowler.
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This is an exciting development. I've been thinking for a while that England need one real bully fast bowler in order to move up a step and really dominate. All these 83 mph swingers are fine, but there is no real striker. If Finn is clocking 95 mph from 6'7", it could be him.
 
Although it's a flat deck and Dhoni was in irresistible form, Finn really did get mullered today. He is still learning.

However, this thread is worth a bump for another reason. Finn averaged 143ks and had a top speed of 148ks, and this on an Indian broadcast. So - biased English speed guns, or just a darn quick bowler?
 
Whippy said:
Although it's a flat deck and Dhoni was in irresistible form, Finn really did get mullered today. He is still learning.

However, this thread is worth a bump for another reason. Finn averaged 143ks and had a top speed of 148ks, and this on an Indian broadcast. So - biased English speed guns, or just a darn quick bowler?
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Finn is genuinely quick , no doubt abt that and i guess our speed guns are proper. :akhtar

But bad that Finn ran into Dhoni is a master clubber vs fats bowling when the ball is not moving
 
The English speed gun theorists will either disappear or start sooking about the Indian speed guns now :)) Either way, they've lost!
 
Finn is clocking 150kph in India as well.

3.3 Finn to Patel, no run, 150.4 kph, driven awkwardly up to mid-off, Finn has found a good length
 
5.4 Finn to Rahane, no run, 149.3 kph, worked off the stumps to midwicket

5.3 Finn to Gambhir, 1 run, 149.5 kph, very full, dug out towards mid-off and they take a sharp single. The throw misses and he would have made it anyway

3.3 Finn to Patel, no run, 150.4 kph, driven awkwardly up to mid-off, Finn has found a good length

5.2 Finn to Gambhir, no run, 150.3 kph, pushed across the left hander and left alone
 
He needs to establish a degree of control at this pace, which will take time, but he is clearly an amazing prospect for all formats.
 
Must be the quicket bowler in the world right now. Has bowled so many deliveries around or over 150. Was unlucky as a number of edges flew for 4s.

Mighty impressive.
 
Already one of our quickest bowlers in decades. That's both exciting and depressing!
 
If im not wrong he is the fastest bowler in the world atm. Whats surprising is he wasn't a naturally quick bowler, at least not a 150kph one when he came first. He has developed himself into one just to get into the team.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
If im not wrong he is the fastest bowler in the world atm. Whats surprising is he wasn't a naturally quick bowler, at least not a 150kph one when he came first. He has developed himself into one just to get into the team.
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Will be a tough competition between Finn and Patrick Cummins.
Saw Cummins in CLT20 and he is equally quick , also Cummins bowls well behind the crease sometimes.
 
tait
morkel
roach
edwards
lee
riaz
finn
steyn
yadav
gul-in loc
jhonson

are all 150 k bowlers (able to hit 150)
 
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TheHK16 said:
tait
morkel
roach
edwards
lee
riaz
finn
steyn
yadav
gul-in loc
jhonson

are all 150 k bowlers
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OH lala...

150kph are not so common only 150k bowlers in World Cricket are

Tait
Roach
Edwards
Morkel
Steyn

Finn also looks like he can hit 150k here and there

but rest of players you mentioned are not 150kph bowlers
 
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Whippy said:
Already one of our quickest bowlers in decades. That's both exciting and depressing!
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It doesn't depress me at all. I'm excited.

Our domestic structure has worked counter to the development of proper quicks for decades now, but there are signs that this is changing at last.
 
hur rizvi said:
OH lala...

150kph are not so common only 150k bowlers in World Cricket are

Tait
Roach
Edwards
Morkel
Steyn

Finn also looks like he can hit 150k here and there

but rest of players you mentioned are not 150kph bowlers
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i said able to hit 150k
 
Roach, Edwards and Morkel considered genuine 150kph bowlers in a list that excludes Finn? Bahahahahahaha.
 
Actually, Shaun Tait is the fastest bowler for 10 minutes, or 6 deliveries, whichever comes first.
 
Finn has really increased his pace.

He needs to work on his control now as pace without control is just disastrous!
 
Finn is possibly the only positive to come out of the recent Eng/Ind ODI series. I honestly can't recall an English fast bowler who has bowled as impressively as him in India, other than possibly Hoggard.

He must be close to forcing himself back in the test side.
 
One of the fastest bowlers in the world and maybe one day he can be one of the best too.
 
Finn is off to bowl for Otago in NZ for a month. I bet these NZ domestic batsmen can't wait.
 
malakian said:
Finn is possibly the only positive to come out of the recent Eng/Ind ODI series. I honestly can't recall an English fast bowler who has bowled as impressively as him in India, other than possibly Hoggard.

He must be close to forcing himself back in the test side.
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I can remember Neil Foster taking eleven wickets in a test match in India to force a series win.

With Finn, and Draco to come back, and hopefully a few dead-wood batters pruned out I think we can have a good ODI side.
 
Steyn is fast in t20s. In ODIs and Tests he generally stays under 140k.

Morkel, on the other hand, is effortlessly fast, like Finn.
 
hang on,cummins in india in the champions league was constant 150k, hes 18 dont forget 2 years down the line hes gonna be lethal, then theres pattinson who hits over 145k, so does johnson, siddle, overall australia has a battery of fast bowlers who are genuine pace and theres more to come john buchananns young son whoose 20 is another thunder bolt who bowls over 150ks but is injury prone, i reckon its australia who are the capital of all the speed demons
 
Robert said:
I can remember Neil Foster taking eleven wickets in a test match in India to force a series win.

With Finn, and Draco to come back, and hopefully a few dead-wood batters pruned out I think we can have a good ODI side.
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Draco? Who?

& a good ODI side at home, no where else.
 
Steven Finn

Steven Finn in his short career has been seen to be pretty erratic but seems to have a knack of being able to bowl very good wicket taking balls in between as well. When hes not on his game he tends to go round the park. Today though hes been very quick and accurate but also moved the ball just enough to cause batsmen problems. When your bowl 140 Kph plus that little bit of movement is all you need.

4/18 in 5 overs so far. Probably the best ive seen Finn bowl for england.
 
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So not only is Finn bowling at a great pace but he has also put our side at a backfoot within the first ten overs .
 
Very impressive.

Bowled quick, consistent line and length, moved the ball around and most importantly picked up four wickets.
 
thats the reward you get for maintaining a proud seam, didnt get much swing, just good pacey seam movement.
 
As I have said few times now, Pakistan were lucky he didn't play in the Test matches. He is just too quick for our batsmen who don't have tehnique to cope with quality bowling.
 
first few overs he was good...afterwards lost steam...if Pakistan batsmen applied properly and put some pressure should have different story

they should have sent Lala after 2 wickets fell
 
Excellent bowling by Finn......probably a tip for selectors to pick Cheema in the next game.

Also, Thanks AJ for putting a post crediting England for this game in the midst of all the Pakistan bashing threads
 
IAJ said:
As I have said few times now, Pakistan were lucky he didn't play in the Test matches. He is just too quick for our batsmen who don't have tehnique to cope with quality bowling.
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Was thinking same thing during the test series....I think england missed a trick....but today he has shown why he should be a regular in the england team.
 
This was going to happen sooner or later, is there is quality fast bowling (not indian fast bowling) then our players will struggle they really don't have any technique to play them apart from 1 or 2
 
the best english bowler right now and dare i say it the best young quick out there. has height, pace, movement. loves bowling on those pancakes too. we got ourselves a possible legend right now.
 
Not much impressive ,
it was our batting line who made it look like impressive bowling :))
 
Easily was the fastest bowler on show today ahead of Anderson and Gul but even Broad and Wahab. I don't think 150 has ever been hit in the UAE and I doubt it will but Finn is arguably the fastest bowler in the world at the moment.
 
He bowled well, our batsmen didn't help themselves though. Hopefully they'll improve their game against him next time.
 
zains_rulez said:
Not much impressive ,
it was our batting line who made it look like impressive bowling :))
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Nah dude am not saying he would have gooten wickets against good teams but he bowled really well not many batsmen can play well if someone is bowling a spell like that
 
Beautiful bowling from Finn just put the skids on Pakistan batting today with fire brand Pace.

Imbecility of Pakistan batting line up was fully exposed,where limitation were glaringly visible against FAST bowling of high quality.
 
Bowls well on flat wickets. Did it in Adelaide, did it in India and did it here. Unusual.
 
Finn's a gun. A great guy. One of my favourite young bowlers.

(And yes, folks, he's actually English :P )
 
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