Support for Pakistan in India during ICC World Cup 2023

[karthikc]

Pak team stay safe a enemy is a enemy no matter what !!

Arre bhai..even Ajmal Kasab was protected against any attack from Indian public....kuch nahi hoga Bhai..see the reception they got in Hyderabad

 

[sam_ahm]

There is a lot of misunderstanding here. First of all Pak getting a warm welcome in Hyderabad is more so because most of us Telangana and Andhra people don't have hate engrossed in us, may be that is the reason certain political parties don't ever come into power here, we believe in coexistence and development not in Hindu - Muslim. Of course there can be bad people everywhere but majority of us is very easy going.

Secondly, Indian Muslims 'supporting' Pakistan in Non-India games is perfectly fine, the problem is some people think you have to 'Hate' and absolutely abhor Pakistan to be a good Indian... I disagree, My patriotism is not so weak that I need to hate someone to show my love towards my nation. Not at all.

Yes, I do not like personally, any muslim supporting Pakistan in an India - Pakistan game... I mean come on, this is our nation and why would I want to support Pakistan Or for that matter any other team against my nation? Not at all... But in Non-India games, I don't think there should be any problem in indian Muslims or anyone supporting Pakistan... And In Hyderabad you will find many such people.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Decision to contact ICC to get Indian visa for Pakistani fans

Source: ARY

 

[FearlessRoar]

Only four other Pakistanis connected with Pakistan cricket received their Indian Visa apart from the players & staff.

 

[rickroll]

People often forget that Wasim Akram was a much-liked cricketer in India for his ability and charisma and it didn't matter to Indians that he was a Pakistani even when we were fighting over Kargil, lol. Whatever his personal failings, he was clearly the only Pakistani player in the late 90's who had the EQ and the social skills to be genuinely friendly with even players of a "hostile" nation while being careful enough not to bring religion/politics when the situation was quite "delicate" .

There's that story of the 2003 World Cup encounter when we hadn't played each other in 3 years and Akram was the only Pakistani player who came over to chat with the Indian team. These things are not lost on Indian fans.

There were far too many incidents though of other Pakistani cricketers making foolish/provocative statements and actions which soured things a lot.

Akhtar and Afridi claiming Sachin was scared of the ball

Akhtar patting Sachin on the head in an extremely condescending manner

Afridi claiming Indians have small hearts and then going on to specifically thank Kashmiris while he was captain in a thoughtless, provocative manner while he was in India )

Sohail Tanvir talking smack about Hindus/Indians

Imran Nazir calling us "buzdil"

Waqar praising Rizwan for doing namaz in front of Hindus - like its some sort of achievement

And many Pakistanis/foreign-based Pakistanis not only supported this stuff but mocked us for being docile, soft and often drew allegories of medieval Muslim conquerors who conquered the Hindus


PCB did not even bother to reign in active cricketers who indulged in this stuff.

Whereas our cricketers from the 90's were absolute gentlemen and were professional who rarely commented on anything regarding Pakistan.

Imagine if Sourav Ganguly as captain decided to do an Afridi in a presser 2 days before Multan Test in 2004 and said he was celebrating Bangladesh Liberation Day?

But they didn't do that because they carried themselves like proper cricket diplomats who had enough sense not to provoke in a delicate situation.

Only post Mumbai 26/11, did our cricketers(even then, mostly ex-cricketers) started stooping to that level with the likes of Sehwag making crass comments , Gambhir mocking Afridi, Irfan Pathan trolling and baiting fans etc.

Before that, it was 100 % a one way street. Indian cricket fans and cricketers, with increasing conservatism in the country, became less gracious and absolutely unsympathetic to the plight of Pakistan cricket.

Before, there were wars, alleged ISI sponsored terrorism etc, Kashmir dispute but even then a right wing BJP government under Vajpayee wanted that "Jeet Lo Dil" series to go ahead. Many won't accept it but PCB were near broke and desperately wanted that series because of their broadcast deal with Ten Sports. Nowadays, even a left wing Indian government won't let that happen. But back then, Vajpayee could have been petty about it but he chose not to be.


I think this World Cup match between India and Pakistan is very important and more important than people admit. If it can start people-to-people and cricket-fan-to-cricket fan interactions and exchanges, this can genuinely restart bilateral cricket relations if once again Indians become genuine admirers of Pakistan cricket like they were of a Wasim Akram in the past.

There's a definite change in the air with regards to Pakistani cricket at least and Shaheen's gesture towards Bumrah when he became a father, the mutual respect between Babar, Virat, Rizwan and Rohit etc. has not gone unnoticed and most Indians know that it's not just a PR stunt when PAK cricketers do that nowadays. Intentions are everything.

Bobby, Rizzy, Shaheen are not only damn good cricketers but they are also complete pros and they represent PAK with a lot of dignity and class. Even the most right-wing Indian who can't stand the idea of Pakistan as an ideological construct and a physical reality cannot deny or resist admiring that

This could be the beginning of something very beautiful at least cricket-wise, and, hopefully, something more going forward.

Good post!

 

[Major]

Only four other Pakistanis connected with Pakistan cricket received their Indian Visa apart from the players & staff.

Thats understandable.

To be fair, when world cups happen, alot of spy agents travel and enter. Infact some of these personalities are also used for spying

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you hold a Pakistani passport even a dual citizen and have not yet applied for an Indian visa, please think twice before booking an expensive match ticket.

It may take weeks for you to get a visa, if you get it that is.

Unfortunately that's the state of affairs between the two countries.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Hyderabad Police Working Overtime To Ensure Full Safety And Security For Pakistan Team

Security officials in the city are literally working overtime to ensure a smooth stay for the Pakistan cricket team, which is visiting India after seven years.

Security officials in the city are literally working overtime to ensure a smooth stay for the Pakistan cricket team, which is visiting India after seven years. The Babar Azam-crowd got a roaring welcome at the Hyderabad airport on Wednesday before it was taken to the team hotel in the heart of the city amid tight security. The team will be here for almost two weeks. Police officials are having to stretch themselves due to the festivities around the Ganesh idol immersion that coincides with warm-up games of the World Cup.

For the same reason, the Pakistan's opening warming-up game on Friday will be played without spectators as the police cannot provide adequate security.

The squad arrived at the stadium on Thursday with six police vans part of the cavalcade. The team buses of Pakistan and New Zealand exited the stadium together.

Nothing is being left to chance even in the team hotel.

"The team is fully satisfied with security whether it is at the stadium or at the hotel," said a PCB source.


NDTV

 

[Devadwal]

Zaka Ashraf calling india as "Dusman mulk" .this is pathetic statement by PCB chief .why send you Pakistani Players in dusman mulk then??

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Zaka Ashraf calling india as "Dusman mulk" .this is pathetic statement by PCB chief .why send you Pakistani Players in dusman mulk then??

when did he say that? any source of ur claim?

 

[MenInG]

Zaka Ashraf calling india as "Dusman mulk" .this is pathetic statement by PCB chief .why send you Pakistani Players in dusman mulk then??

He has a point.

India is not a friendly country to Pakistan and that's a fact.

 

[AAli98]

Zaka Ashraf calling india as "Dusman mulk" .this is pathetic statement by PCB chief .why send you Pakistani Players in dusman mulk then??

Chairman’s gone up in my estimation.

 

[Babeikh]

He has a point.

India is not a friendly country to Pakistan and that's a fact.

Yes but it was still an incredibly incompetent thing for the Chairman of PCB to say. The Chair needs to be a diplomat, not some warrior wannabe. Incompetent comment which could cause unnecessary and avoidable drama.

 

[Devadwal]

He has a point.

India is not a friendly country to Pakistan and that's a fact.

Ok Point be noted sir .

 

[Devadwal]

Yes but it was still an incredibly incompetent thing for the Chairman of PCB to say. The Chair needs to be a diplomat, not some warrior wannabe. Incompetent comment which could cause unnecessary and avoidable drama.

Well said. Any fan's or former players calling india is a Dusman mulk is understandable .but he is a Pcb chairman and he should be more professional

 

[Babeikh]

He is right.

Religion trumps nationality, hence majority of Indian Muslims support Pakistan Over India. Ethnicity trumps religion, hence majority of Pakistani-based Pashtuns support Afghanistan over Pakistan.

Indians and Pakistanis can deny above facts all they want but these are the facts.

Sounds like wishful thinking / delusion to me because the overwhelming majority of Indian Muslims will support India over Pakistan and the overwhelming majority of Pakistani Pashtuns will support Pakistan over Afghanistan. Yes there are always exceptions (I actually knew an Indian Muslim back in my school days, a while back now, and he would support Pakistan) but your self sample of 1 doesn't count.

 

[MenInG]

Yes but it was still an incredibly incompetent thing for the Chairman of PCB to say. The Chair needs to be a diplomat, not some warrior wannabe. Incompetent comment which could cause unnecessary and avoidable drama.

Look Dushman Mulk in Pakistan is a normal phrase - maybe he didn't think but he probably meant a nation that is hostile to Pakistan.

 

[hitthestump]

People often forget that Wasim Akram was a much-liked cricketer in India for his ability and charisma and it didn't matter to Indians that he was a Pakistani even when we were fighting over Kargil, lol. Whatever his personal failings, he was clearly the only Pakistani player in the late 90's who had the EQ and the social skills to be genuinely friendly with even players of a "hostile" nation while being careful enough not to bring religion/politics when the situation was quite "delicate" .

There's that story of the 2003 World Cup encounter when we hadn't played each other in 3 years and Akram was the only Pakistani player who came over to chat with the Indian team. These things are not lost on Indian fans.

There were far too many incidents though of other Pakistani cricketers making foolish/provocative statements and actions which soured things a lot.

Akhtar and Afridi claiming Sachin was scared of the ball

Akhtar patting Sachin on the head in an extremely condescending manner

Afridi claiming Indians have small hearts and then going on to specifically thank Kashmiris while he was captain in a thoughtless, provocative manner while he was in India )

Sohail Tanvir talking smack about Hindus/Indians

Imran Nazir calling us "buzdil"

Waqar praising Rizwan for doing namaz in front of Hindus - like its some sort of achievement

And many Pakistanis/foreign-based Pakistanis not only supported this stuff but mocked us for being docile, soft and often drew allegories of medieval Muslim conquerors who conquered the Hindus


PCB did not even bother to reign in active cricketers who indulged in this stuff.

Whereas our cricketers from the 90's were absolute gentlemen and were professional who rarely commented on anything regarding Pakistan.

Imagine if Sourav Ganguly as captain decided to do an Afridi in a presser 2 days before Multan Test in 2004 and said he was celebrating Bangladesh Liberation Day?

But they didn't do that because they carried themselves like proper cricket diplomats who had enough sense not to provoke in a delicate situation.

Only post Mumbai 26/11, did our cricketers(even then, mostly ex-cricketers) started stooping to that level with the likes of Sehwag making crass comments , Gambhir mocking Afridi, Irfan Pathan trolling and baiting fans etc.

Before that, it was 100 % a one way street. Indian cricket fans and cricketers, with increasing conservatism in the country, became less gracious and absolutely unsympathetic to the plight of Pakistan cricket.

Before, there were wars, alleged ISI sponsored terrorism etc, Kashmir dispute but even then a right wing BJP government under Vajpayee wanted that "Jeet Lo Dil" series to go ahead. Many won't accept it but PCB were near broke and desperately wanted that series because of their broadcast deal with Ten Sports. Nowadays, even a left wing Indian government won't let that happen. But back then, Vajpayee could have been petty about it but he chose not to be.


I think this World Cup match between India and Pakistan is very important and more important than people admit. If it can start people-to-people and cricket-fan-to-cricket fan interactions and exchanges, this can genuinely restart bilateral cricket relations if once again Indians become genuine admirers of Pakistan cricket like they were of a Wasim Akram in the past.

There's a definite change in the air with regards to Pakistani cricket at least and Shaheen's gesture towards Bumrah when he became a father, the mutual respect between Babar, Virat, Rizwan and Rohit etc. has not gone unnoticed and most Indians know that it's not just a PR stunt when PAK cricketers do that nowadays. Intentions are everything.

Bobby, Rizzy, Shaheen are not only damn good cricketers but they are also complete pros and they represent PAK with a lot of dignity and class. Even the most right-wing Indian who can't stand the idea of Pakistan as an ideological construct and a physical reality cannot deny or resist admiring that

This could be the beginning of something very beautiful at least cricket-wise, and, hopefully, something more going forward.

Excellent post, POTW for me.

There has been a lot of stupidity from ex Pak players.

You rightly recognise that the core of Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen and Shadab do such a good job of representing Pakistan and bringing respect to the nation.

A small portion of low intelligence fans have wanted to see the likes of Amir, Sharjeel, Azam Khan and Umar Akmal return to the fold.

Most of us hope sanity prevails in the country because it would be a dark day if any of those four got to wear the green shirt again.

Some things are more important than cricket and I’m so glad that the core of the Pakistan team actually brings izzat to the nation at a time when we desperately need it.

 

[Devadwal]

when did he say that? any source of ur claim?

Yes there is video .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707296574185861133

 

[Devadwal]

When Pakistan players' are getting so much warm welcome in india .he is calling india a Dusman mulk .now don't accuse india when some Indian fan's say something to Pakistani cricketers .

 

[Devadwal]

All of the sudden y'all forget to consider Pakistan a dushman mulk? lol

You and me can say whatever but being head of PCB he can't say this .you know that he is wrong still supporting him. Now this point to be used in future as an benchmark .

 

[hitthestump]

You and me can say whatever but being head of PCB he can't say this .you know that he is wrong still supporting him. Now this point to be used in future as a benchmark .

Meh, Indians are just using this as an opportunity for fake outrage.

It’s not like the position of the countries wasn’t known lol.

I’ve read plenty of Indians on this forum refer to Pakistan as the enemy country to justify not playing bilateral cricket.

 

[Devadwal]

After PCB chairman statment no one in india should support Pakistan team and players as this is how dusman mulk behave.

 

[Moiza]

Pretty stupid of the chairman to say this. But can't complain as these kind of statements show why Pakistan is still in the flinstones era.

Maybe one day, 1 million years from now maybe, we can stop making such stupid statements.

 

[Devadwal]

Pretty stupid of the chairman to say this. But can't complain as these kind of statements show why Pakistan is still in the flinstones era.

Look at timings of his statement .this is really pathetic when Pakistan players are getting so much love . And peoples here are also supported his statement .

 

[Moiza]

All of the sudden y'all forget to consider Pakistan a dushman mulk? lol

Try to understand the point made being in this thread.

He is not some average Joe that he makes these statements without even thinking for a sec. He is the chairman and he will be heard by a thousand other people. If India is such a dushman mulk then stay at home.

I dont know when Pakistanis will learn to be a bit more diplomatic. Many are still living in Ertugrul era, riding horses and conquering Europe.

 

[Devadwal]

But good thing is that all the Pakistan journalist or Known personality condemning this statement

 

[Devadwal]

This statement is also not good for Pakistan players honestly if they read.they can feel insecure

 

[Moiza]

Look Dushman Mulk in Pakistan is a normal phrase - maybe he didn't think but he probably meant a nation that is hostile to Pakistan.

This is not some nuclear science that he has stumbled upon with which he feels the need to enlighten the world.

Everybody knows where Pakistan and India stand, because they have been standing in the same place for the last 70 years; there is no need to mention it every 2 seconds.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Yes there is video .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707296574185861133

His statement is irresponsible, because as Pakistanis we generally advocate for keeping politics separate from cricket and this statement certainly wont help at all to make cricketing ties better.

 

[Devadwal]

look at the impact of PCB chairman statment. Top trending in india and this is how hate spread .

 

[FPresidential]

This is not some nuclear science that he has stumbled upon with which he feels the need to enlighten the world.

Everybody knows where Pakistan and India stand, because they have been standing in the same place for the last 70 years; there is no need to mention it every 2 seconds.

Neither condemning nor supporting his statement, just asking our Bharati friends here, since when they stop considering Pakistan or any supporter of Pakistan "Dushman Mulk"

 

[FPresidential]

View attachment 136844look at the impact of PCB chairman statment. Top trending in india and this is how hate spread .

Stop pretending that all of the sudden y'all do not consider Pak "dushman Mulk", y'all literally refuse to play Pakistan, lol.

Have you not watched Indian news media about Pakistan or Indian posters comments about Pakistan? lol

 

[Devadwal]

Neither condemning nor supporting his statement, just asking our Bharati friends here, since when they stop considering Pakistan or any supporter of Pakistan "Dushman Mulk"

Bro sometimes it's better to understand the context .for example people's who are supporting Pakistan player's ,have planned to take selfie with them or cheering for them but after this statement from PCB BOSS everyone mind can Change. Everyone now talking about this statement in India .ye dekho inko pyar de rhe h hum or ye Hume dusman mulk bol rhe h .it's slapped on the face of people's who are supporting Pakistani team .

 

[FPresidential]

Bro sometimes it's better to understand the context .for example people's who are supporting Pakistan player's ,have planned to take selfie with them or cheering for them but after this statement from PCB BOSS everyone mind can Change. Everyone now talking about this statement in India .ye dekho inko pyar de rhe h hum or ye Hume dusman mulk bol rhe h .it's slapped on the face of people's who are supporting Pakistani team .

LOL, not falling for this drama, India has to, because the tournament is in India, that is the context. But the same non-selfie taker and who are getting offended fully support to not play Pakistan.

And do not worry, those who enjoy cricket and are fans of Pak players will continue to take selfies, they do not care much about politics

 

[rickroll]

I don't think anybody mentioned anything along those lines. At least that was not the intention. It is true that large parts of Southern India don't have that much of baggage from Partition. It is only natural for people in the North and West to have such intense passions because they probably grew up listening to horror stories of Partition from their parents and grandparents where they lost lives and property etc.

It'll forever be ingrained in their psyche in a way that South Indians can never relate to. It was the greatest refugee crisis before Syria after all.

And similarly, you'll never understand the pain the Tamils feel when they think of the Tamil refugee crisis when their own kith and kin were forced to be refugees.

When Lankan players weren't safe in Chennai and didn't play there at some point, we heard massive criticisms about Tamils being illiberal from those up North who could not understand it at all.

I doubt you have spent two seconds of your life thinking about it. So, obviously, Lankan players will feel no threat when they play in Northern India unlike in Chennai.

This is just the other side of the coin.

Having said that, the threat to Pakistani cricketers in Indian cities is massively overrated on PP. The bigger Indian cities(east,west,north and south) have plenty of working folks who are too busy making ends meet, trying to get their kids through school, negotiating horrible traffic etc. and they just want to see India beat Pakistan, maybe shout a bit, troll a bit on Twitter and then go back to their routines on Monday.

And whether people like it on here or not it's far safer for Pakistanis in India than the other way around because GOI has literally no competition. No rogue ISI/military trying to destabilise the government and the consequences for anything that hurts GOI image when the world is watching will be absolutely brutal. I expect some pre-emptive arrests and detentions before this match to keep all the crooks (even if their own paid agents) in line. Only empty shouting and trolling but that can't be stopped.

Also, I think this fake internet affection for South Indians from a certain section of Pakistanis based on interactions abroad is extremely far from reality

A large number of northern migrants to cities like Bangalore and Chennai absolutely struggle with the cultural shock, the almost absent usage of Hindi and greater usage of regional languages , the cuisine , the movies, the relatively insular nature of the people who can never truly accept a pan-Indian identity and are steeped in their own ethnic identities .

And Southern migrants to the North struggle for the opposite reasons .

What natural affinity can there be with Pashtuns, Baloch, Pakistani Punjabis and Sindhis for us southerners when you are even further apart from the people up North?


Visiting South India as a tourist or interacting in professional spaces abroad is completely different.


It's only the people from the Gangetic plains and upwards who can understand your languages, appreciate Punjabi/Sufi poetry, probably watch the same movies and listen to the same songs. Most likely even use similar cuss words. Most South Indians don't know enough about any of that stuff nor do they care about it.

Most Pakistani Pakistanis(Not from UK, Kaneda ) will relate to someone like @Bhaijaan much more and strike a conversation easily.

With traditional South Indians and even with heavily anglicised, convent-educated types like me - not so much.

Everything is relative. Pakistanis' positive impression of south indians is based on how are the south indians in the US interacting with Pakistanis relative to northern indians in the US interacting with Pakistanis. Once you see so many consistent data points from both groups (south and north indians) over the years then you do see the pattern. This does not mean all south indians are somehow saints, far from it actually, matter of fact no population group are that way.

Many Pakistanis feel that interactions with south indians is generally BETTER than interactions with north indians in terms of prejudice or animosity. All this means is that the probability of finding a south indian with hatred against Pakistanis is lower and the general level of hatred from south indians is noticeably lower than north indians.

Please also note that first hand experience of south indians and north indians mentioned above refer to those living in the US or UK.

Please also note that just having higher common culture between two groups does not automatically mean there could always be less animosity between those two said groups. In cases like this as you yourself have mentioned, the common culture has factors that increase animosity.

 

[Rana]

Saying Dushman Mulk suggests to me this guy is a massive buffoon at the helm of PCB affairs

The squad he approved and then the contracts+the categories he authorised are further proof that this man has to be from the national lampoons cast!

 

[Rajdeep]

Massive embarassment for @sam_ahm @Swashbuckler @happydavy who were all ready to blame BJP/North India for one sided hate and how Pakistan love India. This statement from Zaka Ashraf is exactly what I meant in my initial post #4 and I totally agree with him. Not sure why we sugar coat thing so much and can't call spade a spade - we aren't friends move on.

 

[Major]

All the time we hear from indians around here how Pakistan are the enemies, no cricket should happened with them, they end up killing our jawans and getting away with it etc etc etc.

Someone call them dushman mulk, and they all start whining......

It looks like some posters and Indian fans on twitter (meaning 3000 retweets is considered trending by some indian buffoon), want the Indian nation to hate Pakistan cricket and start abusing and attacking the team. Thus, the desperation on the phrase of dushman mulk.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Everything is relative. Pakistanis' positive impression of south indians is based on how are the south indians in the US interacting with Pakistanis relative to northern indians in the US interacting with Pakistanis. Once you see so many consistent data points from both groups (south and north indians) over the years then you do see the pattern. This does not mean all south indians are somehow saints, far from it actually, matter of fact no population group are that way.

Many Pakistanis feel that interactions with south indians is generally BETTER than interactions with north indians in terms of prejudice or animosity. All this means is that the probability of finding a south indian with hatred against Pakistanis is lower and the general level of hatred from south indians is noticeably lower than north indians.

Please also note that first hand experience of south indians and north indians mentioned above refer to those living in the US or UK.

Please also note that just having higher common culture between two groups does not automatically mean there could always be less animosity between those two said groups. In cases like this as you yourself have mentioned, the common culture has factors that increase animosity.

I understand all of that. I'm also pretty sure that you either come from a rather highly educated background in urban Lahore or Karachi or Islamabad or maybe even Peshawar or you're a 2nd generation son of migrants to the UK , Canada or the US.

If you're from the former , any of the upper middle class societies in any of the big cities of India - Delhi, Mumbai or even Bangalore will be a breeze for you. Large parts of Bangalore speak English growing up - colloquial English even for casual conversations(I'm one) almost to the exclusion of even my own mother tongue at times lol and have a pretty open minded worldview

They live in their own sheltered bubbles and have aspirations and are least bothered by realities faced by others in the same country .

I'm sure there are populations of that sort even in major Pakistani cities.


A lot of these people also emigrate at a higher rate than the average Indian and this exceptionally true for South Indians.

It is very likely you are meeting a lot of these South Indians in your personal interactions and I'm glad we have a good impression, lol.

But you and I are definitely not a true representation of India or Pakistan . We are absolutely drops in the ocean

I can't even say I'm a good representative for most South Indians, lol. I'm far less attached to my culture than most are.

PP is a terrible place if you want to see a true microcosm of India or Pakistan. The Pakistanis are either brought up abroad or from these cities and backgrounds . Largely true for Indians as well.

Many of your players are not from such backgrounds at all. How many of your cricketers are from DHA or Bahria Town?


Someone like an Imran Tahir when he played IPL absolutely loved to be in Indian Punjab because he loved the food and he could speak in Punjabi etc.

There's an interview with Harbhajan that he did that you should watch.

Would someone from small town like Gaggu Mandi be more comfortable in a small town in Indian Punjab or in a small town in Andhra Pradesh where no one speaks anything close to what he does , where he has to eat rice instead of roti etc?

I'm afraid there's very little chance of that.

And that's the vast majority of both Pakistan and India

 

[kingusama92]

Massive embarassment for @sam_ahm @Swashbuckler @happydavy who were all ready to blame BJP/North India for one sided hate and how Pakistan love India. This statement from Zaka Ashraf is exactly what I meant in my initial post #4 and I totally agree with him. Not sure why we sugar coat thing so much and can't call spade a spade - we aren't friends move on.

You're being too negative.

One statement (a poor one) is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Don't get too high or low on these quotes. The same Ashraf was talking about India and Pakistan being "brothers" just last month after hosting the BCCI delegation in Lahore.

India has been praised by the players, staff, media, and essentially everyone else for their hospitality so far. When there are so many voices and opinions involved, you will find negativity if you go looking for it.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

All the time we hear from indians around here how Pakistan are the enemies, no cricket should happened with them, they end up killing our jawans and getting away with it etc etc etc.

Someone call them dushman mulk, and they all start whining......

It looks like some posters and Indian fans on twitter (meaning 3000 retweets is considered trending by some indian buffoon), want the Indian nation to hate Pakistan cricket and start abusing and attacking the team. Thus, the desperation on the phrase of dushman mulk.

I thought mixing politics with sport was a problem for you since you were constantly whinging about lack of Pakistani players in IPL ?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You're being too negative.

One statement (a poor one) is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Don't get too high or low on these quotes. The same Ashraf was talking about India and Pakistan being "brothers" just last month after hosting the BCCI delegation in Lahore.

India has been praised by the players, staff, media, and essentially everyone else for their hospitality so far. When there are so many voices and opinions involved, you will find negativity if you go looking for it.

True. This is a non issue. We are hostile states and any pretence of political correctness died a long time ago.

The focus will be on the players . They are the ones representing Pakistan and not some political appointee

 

[Cricfan4eva]

All I see is 2 sides here trying to impose their views on the majority.

Pak-India doesn't have the best of relations. At the governmental level, we have hostile relations.

At the people-to-people level, I think because of the lack of regular contact there are apprehensions but inherent hatred isn't there, at least not unless you are hardcore sanghi. So the reception Pak players got shouldn't be surprising, we love cricket and there is a history of fandom for cricketers across the border.

As for Zaka's statement, he has to say that - politicians make such statements to remain relevant.

 

[rickroll]

I understand all of that. I'm also pretty sure that you either come from a rather highly educated background in urban Lahore or Karachi or Islamabad or maybe even Peshawar or you're a 2nd generation son of migrants to the UK , Canada or the US.

If you're from the former , any of the upper middle class societies in any of the big cities of India - Delhi, Mumbai or even Bangalore will be a breeze for you. Large parts of Bangalore speak English growing up - colloquial English even for casual conversations(I'm one) almost to the exclusion of even my own mother tongue at times lol and have a pretty open minded worldview

They live in their own sheltered bubbles and have aspirations and are least bothered by realities faced by others in the same country .

I'm sure there are populations of that sort even in major Pakistani cities.


A lot of these people also emigrate at a higher rate than the average Indian and this exceptionally true for South Indians.

It is very likely you are meeting a lot of these South Indians in your personal interactions and I'm glad we have a good impression, lol.

But you and I are definitely not a true representation of India or Pakistan . We are absolutely drops in the ocean

I can't even say I'm a good representative for most South Indians, lol. I'm far less attached to my culture than most are.

PP is a terrible place if you want to see a true microcosm of India or Pakistan. The Pakistanis are either brought up abroad or from these cities and backgrounds . Largely true for Indians as well.

Many of your players are not from such backgrounds at all. How many of your cricketers are from DHA or Bahria Town?


Someone like an Imran Tahir when he played IPL absolutely loved to be in Indian Punjab because he loved the food and he could speak in Punjabi etc.

There's an interview with Harbhajan that he did that you should watch.

Would someone from small town like Gaggu Mandi be more comfortable in a small town in Indian Punjab or in a small town in Andhra Pradesh where no one speaks anything close to what he does , where he has to eat rice instead of roti etc?

I'm afraid there's very little chance of that.

And that's the vast majority of both Pakistan and India

You are correct about my background but incorrect about the south indians that I (and other Pakistani Americans in my circle) have met here in the US.

Many of them are from smaller towns and not from rich (or upper middle class as they call it in south asia) backgrounds. Their English is not super smooth and also heavily accented. But most of them are decent, smart, hardworking people who seem good in overall behavior and exhibit less of the hatred. To counter your point more I cringed every time I interacted with a Gujarati or a Punjabi or Haryana person even though he speaks impeccable English, socially smooth, and from big city India. That glossy veneer comes off very quickly after the 2nd or 3rd interaction when some comment invariably slips up.

Your notion of who will get along with who is also not holistic IMO. Beyond a certain age, more genuine interactions (especially over a sustained time period) actually depend on how much mutual respect the two participants have and not based on "is this person sharing my language", "does this person also eat more roti as I do" etc. Yeah those language/food commonalities give a good initial starting point but fizzle out VERY quickly once you encounter lack of mutual respect.

I would hands down prefer interacting with an indian who may only speak accented english, from smaller town, not socially smooth but who does not harbor hatred towards Pakistan or Islam. Turns out that a high percentage of such indians seem to be south indians.

 

[Major]

alot of net bowlers were there to provide training to pakistan.

No pacers though (understandable)

 

[kumjsr]

Neither condemning nor supporting his statement, just asking our Bharati friends here, since when they stop considering Pakistan or any supporter of Pakistan "Dushman Mulk"

Will you be ok if everywhere Pakistan is not referred by name, but by phrase Dushman Mulk during press conferences and even during matches or at different places by cricketing officials?

If that's ok, then this is also fine.

 

[FPresidential]

Will you be ok if everywhere Pakistan is not referred by name, but by phrase Dushman Mulk during press conferences and even during matches or at different places by cricketing officials?

If that's ok, then this is also fine.

Does it matter, Bharati news media, Bharati politicians, and almost everyone who got upset at this comment probably do that most of the time.

 

[Devadwal]

All the time we hear from indians around here how Pakistan are the enemies, no cricket should happened with them, they end up killing our jawans and getting away with it etc etc etc.

Someone call them dushman mulk, and they all start whining......

It looks like some posters and Indian fans on twitter (meaning 3000 retweets is considered trending by some indian buffoon), want the Indian nation to hate Pakistan cricket and start abusing and attacking the team. Thus, the desperation on the phrase of dushman mulk.

Then why you was open threads about discrimination of Pakistani players in regarding IPL? What you expect from dusman mulk?

 

[FPresidential]

People need to relax, y’all will get plenty of opportunities to defend your fellow countrymen officials, ex-players, politician or who not in this tournament. Not defending PCB chairman comments but let’s not pretend either.

If Pak exit early then you’ll get to open a thread about at least one famous Bharti making insensitive comments about Pakistan.

If Pak defeats India then someone from Pak will do the same.

But let’s not pretend to get offended when on daily basis on cricket y’all defend Bharati government and BCCI playing politics with Pakistan.

 

[Hitman]

Yes there is video .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707296574185861133

LOL, what a buffoon!

 

[Hitman]

LOL, what a buffoon!

It's people like him who leave a sour taste in our mouth. All this after the PCT was showered with love by our people upon their arrival here.

 

[Devadwal]

It's people like him who leave a sour taste in our mouth. All this after the PCT was showered with love by our people upon their arrival here.eta

Let's ignore this old man . apart from few Pakistani (here on PP Which is understandable) People's,All are condemning him .

 

[Usman Chadda]

Maybe I’m giving Zaka Ashraf too much credit, but he probably meant ‘opposition’ and ended up blabbering ‘Dushman Mulk’ by mistake in Urdu?

 

[kumjsr]

Maybe I’m giving Zaka Ashraf too much credit, but he probably meant ‘opposition’ and ended up blabbering ‘Dushman Mulk’ by mistake in Urdu?

There is a name to the host country.

 

[MenInG]

Good attempt from our friends to Indiawash the despicable behaviour of BCCI and its cronies when it comes to Pakistan.

Zaka Ahraf is obviously referring to the situation that exists between both countries.

He did not say Dushman Mulk kai supporters.

Of course there will be support for Pakistan because there are Muslims in India.

 

[MenInG]

"Ahmedabad and Hyderabad are such cities, where population of Muslims is quite high. That is why you see [support] at the airport," Mushtaq Ahmed

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistani former cricketer and Fan's are now playing religious card in cricket.

 

[Technics 1210]

People often forget that Wasim Akram was a much-liked cricketer in India for his ability and charisma and it didn't matter to Indians that he was a Pakistani even when we were fighting over Kargil, lol. Whatever his personal failings, he was clearly the only Pakistani player in the late 90's who had the EQ and the social skills to be genuinely friendly with even players of a "hostile" nation while being careful enough not to bring religion/politics when the situation was quite "delicate" .

There's that story of the 2003 World Cup encounter when we hadn't played each other in 3 years and Akram was the only Pakistani player who came over to chat with the Indian team. These things are not lost on Indian fans.

There were far too many incidents though of other Pakistani cricketers making foolish/provocative statements and actions which soured things a lot.

Akhtar and Afridi claiming Sachin was scared of the ball

Akhtar patting Sachin on the head in an extremely condescending manner

Afridi claiming Indians have small hearts and then going on to specifically thank Kashmiris while he was captain in a thoughtless, provocative manner while he was in India )

Sohail Tanvir talking smack about Hindus/Indians

Imran Nazir calling us "buzdil"

Waqar praising Rizwan for doing namaz in front of Hindus - like its some sort of achievement

And many Pakistanis/foreign-based Pakistanis not only supported this stuff but mocked us for being docile, soft and often drew allegories of medieval Muslim conquerors who conquered the Hindus


PCB did not even bother to reign in active cricketers who indulged in this stuff.

Whereas our cricketers from the 90's were absolute gentlemen and were professional who rarely commented on anything regarding Pakistan.

Imagine if Sourav Ganguly as captain decided to do an Afridi in a presser 2 days before Multan Test in 2004 and said he was celebrating Bangladesh Liberation Day?

But they didn't do that because they carried themselves like proper cricket diplomats who had enough sense not to provoke in a delicate situation.

Only post Mumbai 26/11, did our cricketers(even then, mostly ex-cricketers) started stooping to that level with the likes of Sehwag making crass comments , Gambhir mocking Afridi, Irfan Pathan trolling and baiting fans etc.

Before that, it was 100 % a one way street. Indian cricket fans and cricketers, with increasing conservatism in the country, became less gracious and absolutely unsympathetic to the plight of Pakistan cricket.

Before, there were wars, alleged ISI sponsored terrorism etc, Kashmir dispute but even then a right wing BJP government under Vajpayee wanted that "Jeet Lo Dil" series to go ahead. Many won't accept it but PCB were near broke and desperately wanted that series because of their broadcast deal with Ten Sports. Nowadays, even a left wing Indian government won't let that happen. But back then, Vajpayee could have been petty about it but he chose not to be.


I think this World Cup match between India and Pakistan is very important and more important than people admit. If it can start people-to-people and cricket-fan-to-cricket fan interactions and exchanges, this can genuinely restart bilateral cricket relations if once again Indians become genuine admirers of Pakistan cricket like they were of a Wasim Akram in the past.

There's a definite change in the air with regards to Pakistani cricket at least and Shaheen's gesture towards Bumrah when he became a father, the mutual respect between Babar, Virat, Rizwan and Rohit etc. has not gone unnoticed and most Indians know that it's not just a PR stunt when PAK cricketers do that nowadays. Intentions are everything.

Bobby, Rizzy, Shaheen are not only damn good cricketers but they are also complete pros and they represent PAK with a lot of dignity and class. Even the most right-wing Indian who can't stand the idea of Pakistan as an ideological construct and a physical reality cannot deny or resist admiring that

This could be the beginning of something very beautiful at least cricket-wise, and, hopefully, something more going forward.

Never read such insecurity in 1 post before.

Stop pretending that its Pakistan fans/players that hurl words towards India, it works the other way too, and there are plenty of examples, have you seen your media? Have you read comments from Indian players? Bap bap hota he, beta beta - who said this? Mother Thersea or an Indian cricketer?

Though nothing will ever top Tendulkar's refusal to congratulate Pakistan winning the CT17, that too on neutral grounds. So save this mutual respect nonsense, and perhaps teach Tendulkar some class and dignity.

Why this sudden change of heart by Indians who on a daily basis refer to Pakistan as terrorists, dushman, hostile nation, invaders - where are the chest thumping Indians now? Or is it a case that India must uphold an image because all eyes are on India hosting the WC?

If you think a World Cup will sugar coat the history between Pakistan and India, then it is you who is gravely mistaken.

 

[Hitman]

Never read such insecurity in 1 post before.

Stop pretending that its Pakistan fans/players that hurl words towards India, it works the other way too, and there are plenty of examples, have you seen your media? Have you read comments from Indian players? Bap bap hota he, beta beta - who said this? Mother Thersea or an Indian cricketer?

Though nothing will ever top Tendulkar's refusal to congratulate Pakistan winning the CT17, that too on neutral grounds. So save this mutual respect nonsense, and perhaps teach Tendulkar some class and dignity.

Why this sudden change of heart by Indians who on a daily basis refer to Pakistan as terrorists, dushman, hostile nation, invaders - where are the chest thumping Indians now? Or is it a case that India must uphold an image because all eyes are on India hosting the WC?

If you think a World Cup will sugar coat the history between Pakistan and India, then it is you who is gravely mistaken.

Yea, we all know how your beloved hero and favourite bowler Waqar Younis talked about Pakistani batsmen doing namaz in front of 'Hindu' India, and how he relished it. So classy, right?

 

[MenInG]

Pakistani former cricketer and Fan's are now playing religious card in cricket.

Stating fact.

 

[Marooned]

Who said Pakistani players are not welcome in India? Yes, the government has put a hold on bilateral cricket but that doesn't mean the public doesn't want the team visiting India. Recently a biker called Abrar rode all the way from kerala to wagah border and recieved overwhelming welcome in every city he crossed. Just check his YT videos. If a youtuber can recieve such love imagine the love and warmth Pakistani superstars like Babar or Shaheen will get. I am sure when Kohli visits Pakistan in 2025 he too will recieve massive love and support. Public on both sides have no issues.

Stop .

Stop spewing this nonsense. It's very much the Indian public which has an issue.
Average Indian public hates Pakistan as if their life depends on it. They are absolutely blinded by jingoism and take comfort in hating Pakistan. It's the opimium of the masses in India currently.
There are tonnes of hate filled crazies who will definitely attempt to harm the Pakistan cricket team too but I think the security will be able to handle that.

 

[Rajdeep]

Stating fact.

I agree with this. It is a fact that Indian muslims support Pakistan but most Indians try to put a blind eye on this reality. Atleast from my personal experience...I have seen most (if not all) Indian muslims support PCT. Maybe the things have changed now as I have not been there for long but earlier they used to support PCT over Indian team.

Anyone can support any cricket team though...so its a non-issue. But not sure why people can't be honest about it.

 

[Devadwal]

I agree with this. It is a fact that Indian muslims support Pakistan but most Indians try to put a blind eye on this reality. Atleast from my personal experience...I have seen most (if not all) Indian muslims support PCT. Maybe the things have changed now as I have not been there for long but earlier they used to support PCT over Indian team.

Anyone can support any cricket team though...so its a non-issue. But not sure why people can't be honest about it.

Anyone can support any team but Pakistan make its religious affairs which is nothing less than shambolic .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stating fact.

On the basis of what?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Anyone can support any team but Pakistan make its religious affairs which is nothing less than shambolic .

Absolutely. As i said with each passing generation what ever support pakistan had in India is diminishing.

Infact these days leftist pseudo liberal hindus are more likely to support pakistan than a muslim.

Ofcourse you will get pakistanis who think muslim means he is a Pakistani supporter. These delusions have taken pakistan where it is today.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Never read such insecurity in 1 post before.

Stop pretending that its Pakistan fans/players that hurl words towards India, it works the other way too, and there are plenty of examples, have you seen your media? Have you read comments from Indian players? Bap bap hota he, beta beta - who said this? Mother Thersea or an Indian cricketer?

Though nothing will ever top Tendulkar's refusal to congratulate Pakistan winning the CT17, that too on neutral grounds. So save this mutual respect nonsense, and perhaps teach Tendulkar some class and dignity.

Why this sudden change of heart by Indians who on a daily basis refer to Pakistan as terrorists, dushman, hostile nation, invaders - where are the chest thumping Indians now? Or is it a case that India must uphold an image because all eyes are on India hosting the WC?

If you think a World Cup will sugar coat the history between Pakistan and India, then it is you who is gravely mistaken.

Either you completely lack comprehension skills or you're just attempting to misdirect and misrepresent what I said.

None of the 90's and early 00's Indian. cricketers ever made any negative comments about Pakistan or Pakistani cricketers in the media.

Especially not when they were active players in the Indian team.

This was not the case at all especially when it came to PAK.

Akhtar used to bowl deliberate beamers at Dhoni , lol

All the big statements used to come from the PAK camp. Sohail Khan in 2015 World Cup anyone? Nobody in India even knew who he was )

Shoaib Malik in 2007 " I apologise to all Muslims" Is that what a captain of a professional side leading the country says to the media ? Was this some religious jihad he was waging and lost against infidels to be apologising to Muslims worldwide ?

None of our active players used to say anything before or after the game.



Basically , every match was PAK players wanting to go to war with us even with their statements while our players tried to keep it low key off the field.

Then when the likes of Gambhir, Sehwag and others (after retirement)started having a go at PAK or its players , nobody could stomach it.

Gambhir , who is the most hated player on here, even now will never reference religion like Malik did and never brought up geo politics as an active player.

Recently even rated Babar to have a great World Cup, praised Pakistan's pace strength and called Saqlain Mushtaq the best spinner he has ever faced and Saeed Ajmal the next best .

Basically , our worst ex player still has more redeeming qualities at least when talking about cricket in the media than your active captains and players of the past .

That is not to say there was no on-field sledging between the teams. That has always existed. Shoaib - Harbhajan in the Asia Cup for example . I don't think anybody had a problem with that at all.

That's what makes sport competitive.

Rauf giving send offs and gesturing aggressively etc . is absolutely fine. It's part of sport. And will even win admirers over here for playing hard, aggressive cricket . No doubt about it.

But stop drawing false equivalences between media statements given by your players and ours in the past.

It was overwhelmingly a one way street.

 

[Technics 1210]

It was overwhelmingly a one way street.

Too much word salad.

As I said, stop pretending it is one way words, taunts, disrespect from Pakistan and its players. Though your deliberate move to ignore the traffic from India just proves that your words are just a front.

You talk about peace but insinuate its all Pakistan fault.

I have seen chameleons take longer to change colours, but you guys are something else.

 

[gani999]

He has a point.

India is not a friendly country to Pakistan and that's a fact.

If he was so worried about India being an enemy country , he should not have sent his players there. As the head of PCB, the safety of the Pak players should be his no 1 priority, even more important than participating in a World Cup.
Making such a statement after the Pakistani team reached India and got a warm welcome in Hyderabad just makes him look like a whiny hypocrite.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Warning:
Please stay relevant to the topic of the thread and stay away from any personal attacks and comments. Such comments will be removed immediately.
Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[DJhant]

Too much word salad.

As I said, stop pretending it is one way words, taunts, disrespect from Pakistan and its players. Though your deliberate move to ignore the traffic from India just proves that your words are just a front.

You talk about peace but insinuate its all Pakistan fault.

I have seen chameleons take longer to change colours, but you guys are something else.

Shoaib Malik in 2007 " I apologise to all Muslims" Is that what a captain of a professional side leading the country says to the media ? Was this some religious jihad he was waging and lost against infidels to be apologising to Muslims worldwide ? --and add Waqar's comment to it..I am appalled at this kind of comments coming from sportsmen. Religion should be made separate from sports at any cost

 

[Technics 1210]

Shoaib Malik in 2007 " I apologise to all Muslims" Is that what a captain of a professional side leading the country says to the media ? Was this some religious jihad he was waging and lost against infidels to be apologising to Muslims worldwide ? --and add Waqar's comment to it..I am appalled at this kind of comments coming from sportsmen. Religion should be made separate from sports at any cost

I don't understand why Indians are all of a sudden offended by religious under and overtones when it comes to Pakistan and India. I need not remind you why Pakistan was created, need not remind you of the incumbent Indian government's ideology, and I need not remind you of how both Pakistan and India have viewed each other through the religious lens since 1947.

On top of this, while you want to separate religion from sport, why not push for the separation of politics from sports? BCCI are the first to invoke politics when asked to play Pakistan in Pakistan, again with religious undertones.

Even in this thread, the talk of Hyderabad, it is Indians who are stating how Hyderabad is the closest to Pakistan given its Muslim population and localised culture. Let's not also forget the Gujrat riots.

Oh, what about the new "Hindu Cricket" stadium? Where are your wise words in that thread, or where are the wise words from the Indian media? Proud to have a Hindu stadium are you not?

Lastly, we hear day in day out the hatred towards Muslims in India, and Muslim in Pakistan from RSS silos, YET, the same crew have no issues in playing cricket in the UAE.

So for any Indian to be surprised, and even offended by the inclusion of religion when it coms to anything related between Pakistan and India, is quite frankly absurd and ignorant.

 

[Iamcoolwhiz]

Things are not black and white, there are always shades of grey.

Does everyone in India hates Pakistan team - No, it is most followed team after our own.

Does everyone in India loves Pakistan and it's cricket team - again No. There is too much history between the two for this to ever happen.


But....

Would any cricket official from BCCI would have called Pakistan a 'dushman mulk' when a world cup is going on.


No, the BCCI is a far more diplomatic and professional outfit to stoop to this level.

It actually comes to professionalism and we can definitely see a difference between the two countries on that.

So, the outcry is about the lack of diplomacy showed by the top official of PCB.

Pakistan needs to understand how international relations work if they want other countries to take them seriously.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Today's warm up match is behind the closed doors. Which is not ok

 

[MenInG]

Chairman Management Committee Zaka Ashraf statement on Pakistan Men’s team reception in India

Lahore, 29 September 2023:

Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board's Management Committee, Zaka Ashraf, has stated that the fantastic reception of the Pakistan men’s cricket team in India for the World Cup proves how much love the people of both countries have for each other's players. This love was evident by the reception arranged at the Hyderabad airport. Zaka Ashraf personally congratulated the Indians over arranging a reception of this kind.

He mentioned that whenever India and Pakistan step onto the cricket field, they emerge as traditional rivals but not as enemies.

Zaka Ashraf expressed his hope that throughout the entire World Cup, Pakistan cricketers would receive the same warmth, and Indian fans would get to see the best cricket from Pakistan players.

He reflected how historically whenever the Pakistan men’s cricket team has visited India, they have received a warm and cordial reception, just as Indian teams have been welcomed in Pakistan. This is because cricket is a sport that has always played a bridging role between the two nations, and cricketers from both countries have remained popular in and well-loved by fans in both India and Pakistan.

Chairman MC also emphasised that cricket between Pakistan and India have always been the center of global attention which is why cricket between the two countries is considered more significant than the other contests in this sport.

He expressed his desire for the restoration of bilateral cricketing relations between the two countries, allowing millions of cricket fans from both nations the opportunity to watch these players perform live. He concluded by expressing his hope that the Indian cricket team would also visit Pakistan soon, enabling Pakistan to reciprocate the warmth and love shown by India to the Pakistan cricket team.

 

[owenhcricket]

There are no security concerns at all...else a responsible board like PCB wouldn't have send its team. You saying Pak cricket board send its players deliberately to play in a territory where there are security threats? OMG

There are security threats, its why there's armed security for all teams at all stadiums. If you think I will call the PCB a responsible board, you must have lost your mind. The PCB sent its team for one reason like all other countries: money from an ICC tournament.

 

[Major]

Either you completely lack comprehension skills or you're just attempting to misdirect and misrepresent what I said.

None of the 90's and early 00's Indian. cricketers ever made any negative comments about Pakistan or Pakistani cricketers in the media.

Especially not when they were active players in the Indian team.

This was not the case at all especially when it came to PAK.

Akhtar used to bowl deliberate beamers at Dhoni , lol

All the big statements used to come from the PAK camp. Sohail Khan in 2015 World Cup anyone? Nobody in India even knew who he was )

Shoaib Malik in 2007 " I apologise to all Muslims" Is that what a captain of a professional side leading the country says to the media ? Was this some religious jihad he was waging and lost against infidels to be apologising to Muslims worldwide ?

None of our active players used to say anything before or after the game.



Basically , every match was PAK players wanting to go to war with us even with their statements while our players tried to keep it low key off the field.

Then when the likes of Gambhir, Sehwag and others (after retirement)started having a go at PAK or its players , nobody could stomach it.

Gambhir , who is the most hated player on here, even now will never reference religion like Malik did and never brought up geo politics as an active player.

Recently even rated Babar to have a great World Cup, praised Pakistan's pace strength and called Saqlain Mushtaq the best spinner he has ever faced and Saeed Ajmal the next best .

Basically , our worst ex player still has more redeeming qualities at least when talking about cricket in the media than your active captains and players of the past .

That is not to say there was no on-field sledging between the teams. That has always existed. Shoaib - Harbhajan in the Asia Cup for example . I don't think anybody had a problem with that at all.

That's what makes sport competitive.

Rauf giving send offs and gesturing aggressively etc . is absolutely fine. It's part of sport. And will even win admirers over here for playing hard, aggressive cricket . No doubt about it.

But stop drawing false equivalences between media statements given by your players and ours in the past.

It was overwhelmingly a one way street.

Ahhh the hate you have for us.
Now it shows that when indians chanted support for pakistan alot of you lot were hurt by it

Visa delay is happening, asia cup not happening in pakistan etc is ok.

But when you get called our dushman mulk, every Indian gets hurt

 

[MenInG]

Chairman Management Committee Zaka Ashraf statement on Pakistan Men’s team reception in India

Lahore, 29 September 2023:

Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board's Management Committee, Zaka Ashraf, has stated that the fantastic reception of the Pakistan men’s cricket team in India for the World Cup proves how much love the people of both countries have for each other's players. This love was evident by the reception arranged at the Hyderabad airport. Zaka Ashraf personally congratulated the Indians over arranging a reception of this kind.

He mentioned that whenever India and Pakistan step onto the cricket field, they emerge as traditional rivals but not as enemies.

Zaka Ashraf expressed his hope that throughout the entire World Cup, Pakistan cricketers would receive the same warmth, and Indian fans would get to see the best cricket from Pakistan players.

He reflected how historically whenever the Pakistan men’s cricket team has visited India, they have received a warm and cordial reception, just as Indian teams have been welcomed in Pakistan. This is because cricket is a sport that has always played a bridging role between the two nations, and cricketers from both countries have remained popular in and well-loved by fans in both India and Pakistan.

Chairman MC also emphasised that cricket between Pakistan and India have always been the center of global attention which is why cricket between the two countries is considered more significant than the other contests in this sport.

He expressed his desire for the restoration of bilateral cricketing relations between the two countries, allowing millions of cricket fans from both nations the opportunity to watch these players perform live. He concluded by expressing his hope that the Indian cricket team would also visit Pakistan soon, enabling Pakistan to reciprocate the warmth and love shown by India to the Pakistan cricket team.

Ok all good now?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ahhh the hate you have for us.
Now it shows that when indians chanted support for pakistan alot of you lot were hurt by it

Visa delay is happening, asia cup not happening in pakistan etc is ok.

But when you get called our dushman mulk, every Indian gets hurt

It's not hate. I like the current team - Bobby, Rizwan, Shaheen , Agha all seem like good players and thorough gentleman . And good ambassadors for Pakistan cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ahhh the hate you have for us.
Now it shows that when indians chanted support for pakistan alot of you lot were hurt by it

Visa delay is happening, asia cup not happening in pakistan etc is ok.

But when you get called our dushman mulk, every Indian gets hurt

What visa delay? Visa was issued in 4 days.