Survey reveals 37% of Pakistanis will leave country if given chance

[JaDed]

The west downfall predictions is more a reading of religious texts by those who put big store by hadiths, similar to people who follow Nostradamus and look for signs of truth in what he said centuries ago. I don't think you can count that as hating the west, the same posters are extolling virtues of the west in many threads. Some of them often have English premier league football stars as their PP profiles.

I think football club love is different I doubt many support the English national football team.
Maybe their experiences are different.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think football club love is different I doubt many support the English national football team.
Maybe their experiences are different.

The vast majority of British Pakistanis support the England football team. The ones that don't are from the older generation that grew up in times where chants used to go around the football grounds directly abusing Pakistanis. To give you an idea of the veracity of this, I can't even write out the chants here because the board software will censor it.

So maybe you should be asking is where is the hatred coming from and why these hateful chants arose in the first place? Is it all one way?

 

[JaDed]

The vast majority of British Pakistanis support the England football team. The ones that don't are from the older generation that grew up in times where chants used to go around the football grounds directly abusing Pakistanis. To give you an idea of the veracity of this, I can't even write out the chants here because the board software will censor it.

So maybe you should be asking is where is the hatred coming from and why these hateful chants arose in the first place? Is it all one way?

That’s why I said maybe their experiences are different..and I can imagine that happening.

 

[rickroll]

I think football club love is different I doubt many support the English national football team.
Maybe their experiences are different.

The vast majority of British Pakistanis support the England football team. The ones that don't are from the older generation that grew up in times where chants used to go around the football grounds directly abusing Pakistanis. To give you an idea of the veracity of this, I can't even write out the chants here because the board software will censor it.

So maybe you should be asking is where is the hatred coming from and why these hateful chants arose in the first place? Is it all one way?

A related question that I have is for cricket and not soccer. Why do majority of 2nd/3rd/4th gen British Indians and British Pakistanis support India or Pakistan when they are playing against England in England? On that same token, can we honestly say British Pakistanis (or British Indians) will support England if England soccer team were to play against Pakistan or India? I feel it is easy to say British Pakistanis support England in soccer when there is no contentious test of true loyalty ie England playing Pakistan in soccer.

Keeping this question aligned with this thread - If there is a sports/political/social scenario of England OR Pakistan who will majority of British Pakistanis support - England or Pakistan? What is the honest answer to this?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A related question that I have is for cricket and not soccer. Why do majority of 2nd/3rd/4th gen British Indians and British Pakistanis support India or Pakistan when they are playing against England in England? On that same token, can we honestly say British Pakistanis (or British Indians) will support England if England soccer team were to play against Pakistan or India? I feel it is easy to say British Pakistanis support England in soccer when there is no contentious test of true loyalty ie England playing Pakistan in soccer.

Keeping this question aligned with this thread - If there is a sports/political/social scenario of England OR Pakistan who will majority of British Pakistanis support - England or Pakistan? What is the honest answer to this?

I don't even agree with that bolded part. Also, I do think we are getting away from the original topic. You are asking some big questions, they should probably be taken up in their own threads.

 

[rickroll]

I don't even agree with that bolded part. Also, I do think we are getting away from the original topic. You are asking some big questions, they should probably be taken up in their own threads.

In a way this is related to the discussion here, though this is also a big topic by itself as you say. It is also relevant to this thread as well.

With regards to what I stated in post #164, I remember reading a few articles about this. Didn't Lord Norman Tebbit make an infamous statement about this in 1990? -- https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23060582

A more recent article about this from 2019 -- https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-48777755

"The first signs of it came when England's Ravi Bopara came on to bowl. The 28-year-old was born in London. His parents settled in the capital after migrating from Punjab in India in the 1970s.

For some Indian fans in the crowd, that meant that he should be playing for India. So as he ran in to bowl, a group of young Indian fans began a chant of "traitor, traitor, traitor".

When he came out to bat there were pockets of fans booing and when he was dismissed there were huge celebrations in the ground.

While I was standing in the queue to get a drink, an elderly England fan turned to me and asked: "Why are you giving Bopara such a hard time?"

Before I could answer, a young Indian fan replied: "We hate him as he plays for England. He is a disgrace." He then quickly rushed off back to the match.

I mumbled to the England fan that not all Indian fans felt like that, and in fact the majority of us thought that he was a great role model and that we wanted to see more British Asians turning out for England. Confused, the England fan just smiled and walked back to his seat."

 

[BouncerGuy]

And it has started. These are astonishing numbers. 1.6 MILLION people left Pakistan and the reason is quite obvious.

 

[Bhaijaan]

And it has started. These are astonishing numbers. 1.6 MILLION people left Pakistan and the reason is quite obvious.

Basically the equivalent of 10 million migrations from Bharat if population ratio is considered.

Alarming numbers.

People are not opting out but seem to be desperate to leave Pakistan as a country and in the long run the Pakistani nationality as well. If this forum is any indicator, we are already seeing number of Pakistanis living under the delusions that being a labourer in abroad makes them
British, Canadian or whatever. In actuality, Pakistanis have failed to build a strong national identity and pride.

78 years since independence, Jinnah’s blunder to conspire with the British to carve out a new nation from ancient Mahabharat with a made up artificial identity has backfired resulting in misery for 500 million Pakistani and Bangladesh Muslims who live in poverty, shame and guilt globally.

The Muslims of Bharat, who are by all means much inferior in all aspects from Pakistani Muslims, still continue to reap the rewards from the growing economy of Bharat projected to be an Omega power that will take care of their future generations.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Basically the equivalent of 10 million migrations from Bharat if population ratio is considered.

Alarming numbers.

People are not opting out but seem to be desperate to leave Pakistan as a country and in the long run the Pakistani nationality as well. If this forum is any indicator, we are already seeing number of Pakistanis living under the delusions that being a labourer in abroad makes them
British, Canadian or whatever. In actuality, Pakistanis have failed to build a strong national identity and pride.

78 years since independence, Jinnah’s blunder to conspire with the British to carve out a new nation from ancient Mahabharat with a made up artificial identity has backfired resulting in misery for 500 million Pakistani and Bangladesh Muslims who live in poverty, shame and guilt globally.

The Muslims of Bharat, who are by all means much inferior in all aspects from Pakistani Muslims, still continue to reap the rewards from the growing economy of Bharat projected to be an Omega power that will take care of their future generations.

Brother no offense but you are highly delusional , no doubt Pakistan has pressed the slow self destruct button right after it's inception but India is still and was never the place for Muslims to live in harmony and prosper in future.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

And it has started. These are astonishing numbers. 1.6 MILLION people left Pakistan and the reason is quite obvious.

How much of this number is made up from Afghans returning home?

 

[CricketCartoons]

37 percent is a low number and doesn't say anything about their patriotism. I would day at least 80% of people from developing countries will migrate if they get family visas for a developed country.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Brother no offense but you are highly delusional , no doubt Pakistan has pressed the slow self destruct button right after it's inception but India is still and was never the place for Muslims to live in harmony and prosper in future.

Trust me, i am not someone who takes pleasure in the mystery of others.

But i believe in being a vocal honest person rather than being a fake sweet talker.

These numbers are quite crazy for both Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The idea with which Jinnah conspired with the British to get 500 millions Muslims separated from their historical national identity has hurt them in the longer run and let’s not be delusional that this won’t get worse in the future as the Bharatiya economy is projected to fare much better in the coming years. The socioeconomic gap between the motherland and neighbouring Pakistan-Bangladesh is growing rapidly.

Had the partition not been done in the way it was, 500 million Muslims would have been awailing much better growth opportunities, all while keeping intact a very very strong national identity.

A collective Mahabharat in today’s world would have been an unrivaled global power. The British never wanted this to be the reality of the world which is why they were more than happy to oblige with the Muslim league conspiracy to cut Maharabharat like a Pizza.

Again, this is not a dig at anyone but this is me being an advocate for the people of Bangladesh and Pakistan who for all the pride and beliefs, are not better off.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Trust me, i am not someone who takes pleasure in the mystery of others.

But i believe in being a vocal honest person rather than being a fake sweet talker.

These numbers are quite crazy for both Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The idea with which Jinnah conspired with the British to get 500 millions Muslims separated from their historical national identity has hurt them in the longer run and let’s not be delusional that this won’t get worse in the future as the Bharatiya economy is projected to fare much better in the coming years. The socioeconomic gap between the motherland and neighbouring Pakistan-Bangladesh is growing rapidly.

Had the partition not been done in the way it was, 500 million Muslims would have been awailing much better growth opportunities, all while keeping intact a very very strong national identity.

A collective Mahabharat in today’s world would have been an unrivaled global power. The British never wanted this to be the reality of the world which is why they were more than happy to oblige with the Muslim league conspiracy to cut Maharabharat like a Pizza.

Again, this is not a dig at anyone but this is me being an advocate for the people of Bangladesh and Pakistan who for all the pride and beliefs, are not better off.

To be honest 90% of the Muslims in both Pak and BD are not familiar or doesn't follow the real Islam when it comes to social perspective with the main theme being Justice and equality among all the people irrespective of their color ,creed and race and Zakat system , And that is main cause of downfall of these two nations whose 90% people just follow Islam by lip-synching only or observing only the partial elements I wonder if there was no separation then these people would have even destroyed whole india by now just like they are doing with their home countries now.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Even now if they implement justice , equality and equal wealth distribution (through Zakat system) in both BD and PAK then both nations will solve all their problems.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Even now if they implement justice , equality and equal wealth distribution (through Zakat system) in both BD and PAK then both nations will solve all their problems.

Pakistanis are realising the mistakes made by the people in power in Pakistan (army) over the decades. For a long time they were in denial about it all but since last many years i am seeing more and more Pakistanis having had enough of this all and being bold enough to express their regrets and complaints.

The separation was a blunder.
Making an enemy out of a direct neighbour with a massive economy was a Blunder * 10000 times

Even in Bharat, for a long time our people wished for better ties with Pakistan because we always knew the potential opportunities we could unlock through such association. But whenever we tried to be friends, Pakistan establishment conspired to ruin it all.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Pakistanis are realising the mistakes made by the people in power in Pakistan (army) over the decades. For a long time they were in denial about it all but since last many years i am seeing more and more Pakistanis having had enough of this all and being bold enough to express their regrets and complaints.

The separation was a blunder.
Making an enemy out of a direct neighbour with a massive economy was a Blunder * 10000 times

Even in Bharat, for a long time our people wished for better ties with Pakistan because we always knew the potential opportunities we could unlock through such association. But whenever we tried to be friends, Pakistan establishment conspired to ruin it all.

Nothing to do with Pakistan establishment or any individual political or social party, it’s about the whole general population in both countries who are not following Islam at all other then prayers and Ramadan other individual practices , they have put aside the social and economics aspect of Islam altogether in favor of laws of the jungle which resulting in their own downfall.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Pakistanis are realising the mistakes made by the people in power in Pakistan (army) over the decades. For a long time they were in denial about it all but since last many years i am seeing more and more Pakistanis having had enough of this all and being bold enough to express their regrets and complaints.

The separation was a blunder.
Making an enemy out of a direct neighbour with a massive economy was a Blunder * 10000 times

Even in Bharat, for a long time our people wished for better ties with Pakistan because we always knew the potential opportunities we could unlock through such association. But whenever we tried to be friends, Pakistan establishment conspired to ruin it all.

Trust me the separation benefited you guys more than us otherwise India would have been a mess like Pak and BD as well.

But having said that the partition was the only option that times , if only they have had stuck with Islamic perspective of social and economic values instead of pressing the self destruct button.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Trust me the separation benefited you guys more than us otherwise India would have been a mess like Pak and BD as well.

But having said that the partition was the only option that times , if only they have had stuck with Islamic perspective of social and economic values instead of pressing the self destruct button.

The collective might of Mahabharat would have made it an unrivaled omega power many decades ago.

2 billion population (25% of the world)

The GDP combined would have been above 10 trillion USD by now

Kashmir would have been the biggest tourism destination in the world.

Entire Himalayan range would have come under one nation. It would have literally been our geographical identity.

The establishment might of that nation would have been unrivalled.

We lost Mahabharat,
Mahabharat did not lose us.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

The collective might of Mahabharat would have made it an unrivaled omega power many decades ago.

2 billion population (25% of the world)

The GDP combined would have been above 10 trillion USD by now

Kashmir would have been the biggest tourism destination in the world.

Entire Himalayan range would have come under one nation. It would have literally been our geographical identity.

The establishment might of that nation would have been unrivalled.

We lost Mahabharat,
Mahabharat did not lose us.

Your views sounds good on paper but can’t become a reality when the perspective of 30% population is at 180 degree perpendicular to the rest , only will result in more chaos and destruction.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Mahabarath would have been in internal war all the time with lots of innocent killings and injustice and might become right kind of things becoming the norms.

 

[deltexas]

The collective might of Mahabharat would have made it an unrivaled omega power many decades ago.

2 billion population (25% of the world)

The GDP combined would have been above 10 trillion USD by now

Kashmir would have been the biggest tourism destination in the world.

Entire Himalayan range would have come under one nation. It would have literally been our geographical identity.

The establishment might of that nation would have been unrivalled.

We lost Mahabharat,
Mahabharat did not lose us.

Your idealistic views are not realistic. Ind would then have been like Lebanon. With a 50-50 Hindu Muslim split , Ind would perpetually been having internal fights with the Muslim pop demanding islamic laws instead of secular laws. And a 50-50 split with a 2 billion pop is a recipe for disaster. Atleast now Ind is secular and the growth is there to see compared to the neighbors. For all the gripes about Muslims in Ind - they are still better off than in Pak and Ban and you dont see anyone wanting to migrate to these. And Ind is secular - not a Hindu state and thats how it should be. Anytime a country goes down the religious path with no secularism - its down a barrel hole. And Ind is still secular inspite of a Hindu majority. Ind is not perfect but the roots and foundations for such a diverse country is very very strong. Its the most diverse country in the world by a mile. Almost a union of countries with different languages and cultures I would say .

 

[Bhaijaan]

Mahabarath would have been in internal war all the time with lots of innocent killings and injustice and might become right kind of things becoming the norms.

Your idealistic views are not realistic. Ind would then have been like Lebanon. With a 50-50 Hindu Muslim split , Ind would perpetually been having internal fights with the Muslim pop demanding islamic laws instead of secular laws. And a 50-50 split with a 2 billion pop is a recipe for disaster. Atleast now Ind is secular and the growth is there to see compared to the neighbors. For all the gripes about Muslims in Ind - they are still better off than in Pak and Ban and you dont see anyone wanting to migrate to these. And Ind is secular - not a Hindu state and thats how it should be. Anytime a country goes down the religious path with no secularism - its down a barrel hole. And Ind is still secular inspite of a Hindu majority. Ind is not perfect but the roots and foundations for such a diverse country is very very strong. Its the most diverse country in the world by a mile. Almost a union of countries with different languages and cultures I would say .

Nothing ever easy.

Especially not a nation which is potentially an unrivalled omega power.

Which is why the British and Satanists/Dajjalites/Kaali did everything in their ability to not let the descendants of ancient Mahabharatiyas achieve global supremacy.