Thankfully we don't have to play India in Test cricket

[daytrader]

India obviously. More ICC trophies and Asia Cup trophies.

Having a larger population, larger landmass, less distractions, and more resources helped them though.

Let's not forget, not playing Pakistan is also a factor. BCCI protected their players without the pressure of losing to Pakistan

 

[JaDed]

India obviously. More ICC trophies and Asia Cup trophies.

Having a larger population, larger landmass, less distractions, and more resources helped them though.

Larger population? China has huge population are they footbal champions of Asia? They take football and Basketball seriously and do well in neither. Less distractions?

Hope that’s a joke we are the most culturally diverse place in Asia even religion wise.

We have the most distractions if anything, we just don’t involve ourselves in others wars.

 

[JaDed]

Let's not forget, not playing Pakistan is also a factor. BCCI protected their players without the pressure of losing to Pakistan

How come that pressure didn’t work for
Pakistan in tests ?

 

[gazza619]

To be honest I rather we played India, got bashed and I had something to moan about on this forum.

We have to man up to our fears.

Even if India wins I am pretty sure there will be plenty of cake cutting moments for Pakistan players.

 

[gazza619]

How come that pressure didn’t work for
Pakistan in tests ?

Because Pakistan players and awaam are already living under the fear of the Pakistani establishment.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Those are really thin hopes to hold on to but you're welcome to them.

By any objective metrics - WTC points rankings, Test batting, bowling, all-rounder rankings, Pakistan batter averages against spin, Pakistan spinner averages etc. etc., India are a far superior team and would be expected to demolish Pakistan.

However if you want to cling on to the belief that there's something magical about a bilateral series that would cause the Pakistani players to play out of their skins and run India close...well hope is something noone should be denied.

Pakistan did play out of their skins to route India in ct 2017 finals with all the parameters you described in this post holding true even then. So yes it's all about belief.. skills are always there.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Of course, and indians like like you enjoy that. nothing lasts forever, hopefully Pakistan will develop, hopefully the filthy rotten crooks in charge will die off and Pakistan may slowly change for the better. May Pakistan change this stupid concept that their neighbour is thier well wisher. Your comments reflect your nations mentality. I wish that Pakistanis stop this stupid pandering to their ill-wishing neighbour.

Neighbour is not your well wishers.no one claims that. The institution of Military will never die off unless Pakistanis bring a revolution. But they turned out to be cowards. There mandate is stolen and they are sleeping.

 

[daytrader]

To be honest I rather we played India, got bashed and I had something to moan about on this forum.

We have to man up to our fears.

Even if India wins I am pretty sure there will be plenty of cake cutting moments for Pakistan players.

That's the thing, if they're playing and we lose we will accept our inferiority. Should work both ways though.

Indian posters boasting about their team like they will beat Pakistan whenever, wherever in tests. Oh bhai first you couldn't beat us in a test in 20 years and then 20 years you're not playing us. Plus we're leading head to head. Where do these boasting rights come from? Pehle khelo toh sahi

 

[uppercut]

That's the thing, if they're playing and we lose we will accept our inferiority. Should work both ways though.

Indian posters boasting about their team like they will beat Pakistan whenever, wherever in tests. Oh bhai first you couldn't beat us in a test in 20 years and then 20 years you're not playing us. Plus we're leading head to head. Where do these boasting rights come from? Pehle khelo toh sahi

By thrashing strong Test teams like Eng and Aus who in turn recently thrashed your team that you are trying to defend ( that too in your backyard). This is the backdrop for this thread.

And if you want to rely only on Ind vs pak stats then look at what has happened in the last decade or so in shorter formats. W/L ratio > 2 !!

Or do you think looking at 20+ yr old stats gives you a better indication of how things might pan out in a bilateral Test series if the 2 teams happen to play today? Not sure why this is soo complicated to process.

 

[uppercut]

Apparently this thread is About Bilateral cricket between Ind and Pakistan and there has been no historical evidence to suggest to that India dominated Pakistan in bilateral cricket.. its not about what's important.. people are suggesting India will win series against Pakistan with Landslide margin which many of us dnt think so.. all are assumptions unless bilateral cricket happens

Are you saying that we cannot draw any conclusions on which side is far superior based on available data points ( which will all be in non-bilateral tournaments) ?

If yes then what you are saying is that Bilateral cricket > ICC Events therefore thats why you will back Pakistan to beat Ind in a bilateral test series which makes no sense at all.

Furthermore it is much easier to win a random ODI or T20 in ICC OR ASIA Cup than a Testmatch ( as a team can comeback in 2nd inngs) yet Pakistans W/L record in the short formats of 0.5 tells the full story and you are somehow saying that means nothing? Matlab kuchi bhi bhai ?

 

[Vikram1989]

We all know icc place both ind and pak in same group in tournaments and squeeze the profits to the maximum. why can't they do it in wtc .Here one team is reaching the finals consistently
and other team is so trash that it can't win even on its shore against a mediocre opponent like nz (nz in sc conditions)

 

[daytrader]

By thrashing strong Test teams like Eng and Aus who in turn recently thrashed your team that you are trying to defend ( that too in your backyard). This is the backdrop for this thread.

And if you want to rely only on Ind vs pak stats then look at what has happened in the last decade or so in shorter formats. W/L ratio > 2 !!

Or do you think looking at 20+ yr old stats gives you a better indication of how things might pan out in a bilateral Test series if the 2 teams happen to play today? Not sure why this is soo complicated to process.

History and statistics indicate that Pakistan is no pushover. Yea India has finally got a strong test team, but this is not our worst team either. I told you before what we achieved in our darkest times, we've built up from that. Sure results haven't gone our way recently but believe me Pakistan vs India will be more competitive than you think.

Anyways enjoy your victories. You guys finally have a test team to be proud of after 50 years and millions of $$ spent. Still doesn't give you any bragging rights over Pakistan as you don't even play us. Khaell ke jeeto then you can brag. Until then enjoy your khiyali pullao

 

[Mockingbird]

History and statistics indicate that Pakistan is no pushover. Yea India has finally got a strong test team, but this is not our worst team either. I told you before what we achieved in our darkest times, we've built up from that. Sure results haven't gone our way recently but believe me Pakistan vs India will be more competitive than you think.

Anyways enjoy your victories. You guys finally have a test team to be proud of after 50 years and millions of $$ spent. Still doesn't give you any bragging rights over Pakistan as you don't even play us. Khaell ke jeeto then you can brag. Until then enjoy your khiyali pullao

If you think your team is good, let’s see if they qualify for the WTC final. Then they will get a chance to beat India - simple non?

 

[daytrader]

If you think your team is good, let’s see if they qualify for the WTC final. Then they will get a chance to beat India - simple non?

If your team is good maybe they might win it. They certainly had a chance before but weren't good enough.

As for Pakistan, I'm not claiming we are good. I'm simply stating we will give India's best team ever a very hard time.

 

[Mesozoic]

'Delusional' is the word that screams out

It's an insult to the Pakistani test teams of the 90s and 2000s to even compare the mediocrity i.e the Pakistani Test team of today, which went through an entire home season against Australia, England and New Zealand without a single victory .

 

[Vikram1989]

As for Pakistan, I'm not claiming we are good. I'm simply stating we will give India's best team ever a very hard time.

Around my tenth class,I used to think since am first rank holder in my class , I will be the district first and in state top 30(As there are 20 plus districts in my state).Guess what I never got more thank 85 percent in any competitive examinations outside even though I studied 24 *7.

 

[mominsaigol]

If your team is good maybe they might win it. They certainly had a chance before but weren't good enough.

As for Pakistan, I'm not claiming we are good. I'm simply stating we will give India's best team ever a very hard time.

No we won't, India 9 out of 10 times will give us the same treatment in test that they gave us in the asia cup and world cup.

While we have beaten India here and their and have given India humiliating defeats, their far and few in between.

 

[daytrader]

Around my tenth class,I used to think since am first rank holder in my class , I will be the district first and in state top 30(As there are 20 plus districts in my state).Guess what I never got more thank 85 percent in any competitive examinations outside even though I studied 24 *7.

You're an individual and not a team? Not sure if you're following the discussion, the 85% seems far fetched.

 

[daytrader]

No we won't, India 9 out of 10 times will give us the same treatment in test that they gave us in the asia cup and world cup.

While we have beaten India here and their and have given India humiliating defeats, their far and few in between.

Maybe you've only grown up in this era to see this treatment. We're talking about a team that couldn't beat us in a test for 20 years. We had our dark days but thankfully they're behind us now and our trajectory is only upwards. This is their best team ever yet the trophies aren't coming. It's a real shame they don't want to play us

 

[Vikram1989]

You're an individual and not a team? Not sure if you're following the discussion, the 85% seems far fetched.

Have not u go through indian examinations syllabus and exams .it's percentile basis(Cat ,Gate etc), not a percentage basis for all higher exams.So ur score depends on the highest score.Am sure lot of my category people are here.

Even if it's a team there is no player with 80 percent category. All players are around 50 to 60 who does not have any idea to bat /bowl for long time.It was evident in recent trashings. All t20 superstar bowlers went for 100 runs and batsmen have not scored any good.Thats y they were able to compete in t20 papering those cracks for shorter duration

 

[jnaveen1980]

2005 ICC test Ranking

ICC Test Championship 19 May 2005
Rank	Team	Points
1	Australia​	132
2	England​	110
3	India​	107
4	Pakistan​	102
5	Sri Lanka​	100
6	South Africa​	100
7	New Zealand​	97
8	West Indies​	73
9	Zimbabwe​	41
10	Bangladesh​	6

 

[mominsaigol]

Maybe you've only grown up in this era to see this treatment. We're talking about a team that couldn't beat us in a test for 20 years. We had our dark days but thankfully they're behind us now and our trajectory is only upwards. This is their best team ever yet the trophies aren't coming. It's a real shame they don't want to play us

I have only grown up in this era that's correct, but the past is completly irrelevant towards today? I don't get your viewpoint?

Pakistan and India aren't going to play test because these 2 can't agree to a bilateral series even if it's on a neutral venue, if it wasn't for icc tournaments then we'd never even ay against em ever again,

However it doesn't take a genuis to figure out that a team that just lost 3 games on the dot is not beating a test that arguably superior to the team that they lost to.

Wdym their behind us now? We literally came from a humiliating asia cup and world cup that India was a winner of one and the finalist if the other? While our performance was a joke in comparison, and we literally came back from losing 3 games on the dot with a captain who's become a bigger meme then anyone in Pakistan cricket history?

As for India, the trophies aren't coming even for us, atleast India won the asia cup multiple times over the past years, whereas Pakistan hasn't won anything with our last victory being in 2017 which we desperately relied on, whereas India either wins Small tournaments like asia cup, or always reaches the semi finals or finals in every tournament they participate in (2021 t20 wc being the only exception),

The only argument desperate Pakistani fans have now is that India hasn't won an icc event in 11 years whereas Pakistan hasn't won any in 7 years, that's it. But India has consistently outperformed Pakistan in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2023 and will do so again in 2024, the only time Pakistan got one up on India was in 2021 and 2022 but that side wasn't full strength India due to their injuries and many key players missing like bumrah and jadeja and Rahul not functioning as an opener.

Last time we beat a full strength India was in 2021 by 10 wickets. In 2022 we had even games against them but by 2023 they completly humiliated us profusely to the point that after asia cup, Pakistan went into panic mode. 4 years of prep instantly killed in one game by India.

 

[mominsaigol]

I have only grown up in this era that's correct, but the past is completly irrelevant towards today? I don't get your viewpoint?

Pakistan and India aren't going to play test because these 2 can't agree to a bilateral series even if it's on a neutral venue, if it wasn't for icc tournaments then we'd never even ay against em ever again,

However it doesn't take a genuis to figure out that a team that just lost 3 games on the dot is not beating a test that arguably superior to the team that they lost to.

Wdym their behind us now? We literally came from a humiliating asia cup and world cup that India was a winner of one and the finalist if the other? While our performance was a joke in comparison, and we literally came back from losing 3 games on the dot with a captain who's become a bigger meme then anyone in Pakistan cricket history?

As for India, the trophies aren't coming even for us, atleast India won the asia cup multiple times over the past years, whereas Pakistan hasn't won anything with our last victory being in 2017 which we desperately relied on, whereas India either wins Small tournaments like asia cup, or always reaches the semi finals or finals in every tournament they participate in (2021 t20 wc being the only exception),

The only argument desperate Pakistani fans have now is that India hasn't won an icc event in 11 years whereas Pakistan hasn't won any in 7 years, that's it. But India has consistently outperformed Pakistan in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2023 and will do so again in 2024, the only time Pakistan got one up on India was in 2021 and 2022 but that side wasn't full strength India due to their injuries and many key players missing like bumrah and jadeja and Rahul not functioning as an opener.

Last time we beat a full strength India was in 2021 by 10 wickets. In 2022 we had even games against them but by 2023 they completly humiliated us profusely to the point that after asia cup, Pakistan went into panic mode. 4 years of prep instantly killed in one game by India.

2017 and 2021 were the last time we beat India at full strength since in 2022 they were facing injuries and changes.

Their 2023 and 2024 team is also significantly more powerful then their 2017 and 2021 teams, 2023 and 2024 Indian team would wipe the floor with their 2017 and 2021 counterparts

 

[Croma]

2017 and 2021 were the last time we beat India at full strength since in 2022 they were facing injuries and changes.

Their 2023 and 2024 team is also significantly more powerful then their 2017 and 2021 teams, 2023 and 2024 Indian team would wipe the floor with their 2017 and 2021 counterparts

How would you compare the 2023 WC team with the 2011 WC team. Just curious.

 

[mominsaigol]

How would you compare the 2023 WC team with the 2011 WC team. Just curious.

2023 wc team is miles better then the 2011 wc team.

The 2011 team got lucky on many occasions and people don't realise that, in the semi finals, Sachin got like over 7 chances lol.

The 2011 team is good and filled with all stars however sehwag and ghambir aren't anywhere close to rohit in terms of opening. Rohit's 9 rr starts virtually meant that as long as every other player puts a semi decent score, India will outbat the opposition, and this strategy worked 100% of the time except in the final where minus rohit, the entire team collapsed.

Kohli is also way better then any no 3 from the Indian team in the past decade. The dude dominated the entire tournament and scoring runs was a joke to him, rohit's 9 rr starts helped him alot. Sheryas iyer was also 10x superior to 2011 kohli at no 4 as this was before kohli became the established complete superstar batsmen that he is today.

Bumrah, siraj and shami are single handidely superior to any bowling unit of the past 15 years no question. And jadeja and kuldeep compliment each other although harbajan was slightly superior.

The only thing that hindered India in 2023 was that their lower order was non existent amd pandya leaving was a huge blow since he was the perfect allrounder.

2011 India didn't even finish first in their group stage, they tied against England despite 2011 England being a joke that lost to Ireland and got humiliated by Sri lanka, they lost to South Africa, they nearly chocked against Pakistan but Pakistan was beyond incompetent in the field that day.

2023 India dominated every team with only New Zealand putting a bit of a fight. What happened in the final? Idk, Australia has a habit of fear haxing the most op teams, they did that in 2015 where they humiliated an unbeaten NZ team in the finals and they did that again with India in 2023, 9 out of 10 times, Indian team would have demolished a team that needed a maxwell wonder to beat Afghanistan but alas, aussie fear hax ans mentality got them over the line, any other team then India would have dominated.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

History and statistics indicate that Pakistan is no pushover. Yea India has finally got a strong test team, but this is not our worst team either. I told you before what we achieved in our darkest times, we've built up from that. Sure results haven't gone our way recently but believe me Pakistan vs India will be more competitive than you think.

Anyways enjoy your victories. You guys finally have a test team to be proud of after 50 years and millions of $$ spent. Still doesn't give you any bragging rights over Pakistan as you don't even play us. Khaell ke jeeto then you can brag. Until then enjoy your khiyali pullao

Recent history (95 onwards) shows that Pakistan are a terrible side while playing at home. And India are ridiculously strong at home.

Pakistan did not win a single Test at home in the last 2 seasons . The gap between 2 teams couldn't be bigger .

 

[mominsaigol]

Recent history (95 onwards) shows that Pakistan are a terrible side while playing at home. And India are ridiculously strong at home.

Pakistan did not win a single Test at home in the last 2 seasons . The gap between 2 teams couldn't be bigger .

The Indian team atm is superior to us in all formats, their is no question.

Since 2011 we've only ever beaten them at full strength 3x, once in 2014, once in 2017 and once in 2021.

2022 and 2012 were all injuries and transitioning phases. After their loss to us in 2012, they humiliated us in 2013 and then kept continuing to do so in 2015, 2016 and even early on in 2017.

After we beat them convincingly in 2016 ct final, they proceeded to murder us in until 2021 where we beat them once more.

The only time we had fun and even contests with them was during their transitioning phase in 2022, after that in 2023 they butchered us again and will butcher us again in 2024 this world cup.

Edit: FYI their current team is way stronger then their 2017, 2014 and 2021 full strength teams no question

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The Indian team atm is superior to us in all formats, their is no question.

Since 2011 we've only ever beaten them at full strength 3x, once in 2014, once in 2017 and once in 2021.

2022 and 2012 were all injuries and transitioning phases. After their loss to us in 2012, they humiliated us in 2013 and then kept continuing to do so in 2015, 2016 and even early on in 2017.

After we beat them convincingly in 2016 ct final, they proceeded to murder us in until 2021 where we beat them once more.

The only time we had fun and even contests with them was during their transitioning phase in 2022, after that in 2023 they butchered us again and will butcher us again in 2024 this world cup.

Edit: FYI their current team is way stronger then their 2017, 2014 and 2021 full strength teams no question

Pakistan has a very good chance to beat us in T20 cricket.

Both your bowling and your batting is more than good enough to beat India on a given day. The format itself ideal for teams that rely on some X factor knock/spell to win you the odd game.

In Tests, these things matter little. A highly explosive unit like Bazball was snuffed out by good bowling plans and highly skilled, consistent bowling.

Winning a Test is a lot harder

 

[Mesozoic]

The gap between 2 teams couldn't be bigger

Oh it's going to get even bigger, my friend.

Even if the political situation miraculously improves in the near future, I pray for the sake of our delusional neighbours that we play them only in T20 bilaterals to maintain some semblance of parity. The gap in the longer formats is only going to get wider and wider .

 

[uppercut]

History and statistics indicate that Pakistan is no pushover. Yea India has finally got a strong test team, but this is not our worst team either.

Do this exercise.... find me a Indian team that lost test series to Eng and Aus at home in the span of few years. I can't remember that ever happening certainly not 3-0 like Pak v Eng.

That should tell you how far down the Pak test team has gone.

. Khaell ke jeeto then you can brag. Until then enjoy your khiyali pullao

I just gave you the stat .... indias W/L Ratio vs pak is > 2 in shorter formats spanning last 15 yrs !!

 

[daytrader]

Do this exercise.... find me a Indian team that lost test series to Eng and Aus at home in the span of few years. I can't remember that ever happening certainly not 3-0 like Pak v Eng.

That should tell you how far down the Pak test team has gone.




I just gave you the stat .... indias W/L Ratio vs pak is > 2 in shorter formats spanning last 15 yrs !!

Ah I see, so you're only confident because Pak team is weak. Have faith in your team, you guys are best in the World. Back them rather than worrying about the flaws in our team.

I'll admit Pakistan has the worst test record against Australia and England. Beating them anywhere requires us to play out of our skins. It's not the same for India. You're no Australia

 

[daytrader]

Recent history (95 onwards) shows that Pakistan are a terrible side while playing at home. And India are ridiculously strong at home.

Pakistan did not win a single Test at home in the last 2 seasons . The gap between 2 teams couldn't be bigger .

Pakistan also didn't play at home for majority of the last decade. It's recently that teams have started touring us. Test matches at home are new to this group of players. There's a learning curve for our players, coaches and pitch curators

 

[uppercut]

In Tests, these things matter little. A highly explosive unit like Bazball was snuffed out by good bowling plans and highly skilled, consistent bowling.

Winning a Test is a lot harder

Exactly..... some people seem to think that since Pakistan gave us a tough fight in T20 wc the same will happen in Test cricket too ... lol

 

[uppercut]

Ah I see, so you're only confident because Pak team is weak. Have faith in your team, you guys are best in the World. Back them rather than worrying about the flaws in our team.

I'll admit Pakistan has the worst test record against Australia and England. Beating them anywhere requires us to play out of our skins. It's not the same for India. You're no Australia

How has that worked out for pak so far in ODIs where it is much easier for weaker teams to beat the stronger team ? 8-0 and 14-1 tell a different story. Even aus doesn't have that kind of record against Pak in ODIs lol.

 

[batandballbattle]

We would most likely get steamrolled as a lot of other posters have already said, but the spectacle of a great rivalry in the game's premier format is something that needs to come back.

Unfortunately though that is increasingly looking like more and more of a pipedream.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ah I see, so you're only confident because Pak team is weak. Have faith in your team, you guys are best in the World. Back them rather than worrying about the flaws in our team.

I'll admit Pakistan has the worst test record against Australia and England. Beating them anywhere requires us to play out of our skins. It's not the same for India. You're no Australia

Lol. We are tougher to beat than England especially in Asian conditions.

Since Jan 2013, if you exclude tours of Bangladesh who are Test minnows,


Pakistan , W-20, L-16 . W/L = 1.25
India , W -45, L-5. W/L - 9

We are better in Asia than England and Australia are anywhere in the world.

 

[daytrader]

Lol. We are tougher to beat than England especially in Asian conditions.

Since Jan 2013, if you exclude tours of Bangladesh who are Test minnows,


Pakistan , W-20, L-16 . W/L = 1.25
India , W -45, L-5. W/L - 9

We are better in Asia than England and Australia are anywhere in the world.

If we played as many tests as you do at home, we too would be home track bullies

 

[uppercut]

If we played as many tests as you do at home, we too would be home track bullies

Ind last 10 yrs:

2014-2024

101

57

27

0

17

2.111

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

Now Pakistan:
90s : W34 L21 D23 W/L = 1.56

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

80s:

1980-1989

80

23

13

0

44

1.769

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

80s+90s :

1980-1999

156

55

34

0

67

1.617

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

So even in the peak period of Pakistan Test cricket your W/L ratio is nowhere close to the W/L ratio of the last 10 yrs of Indian team. We have won more matches playing 55 less tests than Pakistan did between 1980 and 2000 .. lol

Now let me know If you want to venture into home record ...

As I said dill behelane ke liye khayal ....

 

[ElRaja]

india is a superior test team becuase india prioritises test cricket, can afford to limit their best players to one t20 league per year, can enforce participation in domestic red ball and schedules a-team cricket in a systematic way.

the only thing going for Pakistan which other teams dont have in a hypothetical pak-india test scenario is that pakistanis always liked playing in india, much like indians liked playing in pak.

pak red ball cricket is dead, just one look at quaid e azam trophy shows that, the competition has been able to produce maybe one cricketer in saud shakeel in the last five years.

pak is never competing against the big three over a prolonged period unless there is significant investment and long term planning.

 

[uppercut]

*BUMP*

The awkward moment when desperate but die-hard Pakistani supporters on PP were secretly and desperately hoping for the ex-Pakistanis a.k.a BD to beat India in India in the aftermath of the recent banglawash but now have to go back into hiding.

 

[TheNeutralist]

India Vs Pakistan test match at any venue (neutral as well) will be boring. Pakistani fast bowlers cant bowl faster than 130s, their batting cannot score 200. Dont even talk about Pakistani spinners Vs Indian Spinners.

The match will be finished inside 3 days unless India wants to pile up mammoth runs and defeat by 500 runs.

People would prefer to play Aus/Eng/SA instead.

 

[AAli98]

As Shoaib Actor says bring in average people expect average results. BTW when was the last time Pak beat big 3 in any format I believe it was the 152/0 game please confirm.

 

[harshjoshi87]

As Shoaib Actor says bring in average people expect average results. BTW when was the last time Pak beat big 3 in any format I believe it was the 152/0 game please confirm.

Pakistan beat India in Legends cricket recently

On a serious note, yes that was the last time Pak won against big 3, but i think they did beat England in 2 matches in T20 series held in Pakistan before T20 World Cup 2022.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Pakistan would have been able to challenge India in India when they had Saeed Ajmal playing. Apart from that little period back in 2015-16, Pakistan never had the test team to challenge India in a test series since 2007.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan is the only team which can consistently challenge Bharat in test cricket at their home. We were deprived of some fascinating test cricket because of Pakistan not touring us for full test series during the last so many years.

People of this generation only recognize Bharat-Pakistan cricket through those one off ICC tournament stand offs but they’re all unlucky to not have followed a test series which is absolute romantic affair.

If one day cricket is like spending an anniversary with your wife.

Test cricket is like going on a World tour with your high school sweetheart.

There is no comparison.

 

[AAli98]

Pakistan beat India in Legends cricket recently

On a serious note, yes that was the last time Pak won against big 3, but i think they did beat England in 2 matches in T20 series held in Pakistan before T20 World Cup 2022.

Since this guy has come on the scene Pak cricket has gone to the pits. Now they need his pretty 30/40 runs otherwise Uganda will run riot on Pak.

 

[uppercut]

*BUMP*

I hope any remaining die-hard pakistani supporters have gotten their answers on what the outcome would look like if they had to face India in Test Cricket.

even the greatest Pakistani side from the 80s could not win a single test in their own backyard circa 1989.

 

[uppercut]

India Vs Pakistan test match at any venue (neutral as well) will be boring. Pakistani fast bowlers cant bowl faster than 130s, their batting cannot score 200. Dont even talk about Pakistani spinners Vs Indian Spinners.

The match will be finished inside 3 days unless India wants to pile up mammoth runs and defeat by 500 runs.

People would prefer to play Aus/Eng/SA instead.

hey ... call me sadistic but I need a Innings + 300 run win

 

[uppercut]

*BUMP*

The awkward moment when desperate but die-hard Pakistani supporters on PP were secretly and desperately hoping for the ex-Pakistanis a.k.a BD to beat India in India in the aftermath of the recent banglawash but now have to go back into hiding.

sadly more awkwardness,bitterness, doom, gloom etc incoming for our beloved neighbors

 

[TheSultan]

I agree that India would absolutely maul us but I still think I series with India could be a catalyst for change as the perceived rivalry raises all of the deficiencies - be it technical, risk averse approach. The current thinking of a lot of Pakistani players is to play the waiting game. Lose, then wait it out hoping that everyone forgets.

Regular losses to India (not just random tournament losses) and the excuses that come with it will not fly with sustained defeats.

We may even get some key big name players try and evade some of the matches due to the fear of being made scapegoats. We saw in 2006 how Inzi pulled out of the Karachi match because after all the criticism of the previous two matches pitches being so flat that Karachi was going to have grass on it at the start. I don’t know about anyone else, but the fighting spirit I saw in that match may well have been because Inzi was not playing.

Either way, in the long run I believe regular test series vs India would be a good thing for Pakistan cricket.

Now I don’t control the political situation. We certainly should never beg India for a series. But if it’s in the cards we should let it happen.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

India should rather go for a Pak series, will help them to exorcise the ghosts of Calcutta Test etc

 

[Devadwal]

India should rather go for a Pak series, will help them to exorcise the ghosts of Calcutta Test etc

First recover from humiliation defeat of 228 runs

 

[Red-Indian]

I agree that India would absolutely maul us but I still think I series with India could be a catalyst for change as the perceived rivalry raises all of the deficiencies - be it technical, risk averse approach. The current thinking of a lot of Pakistani players is to play the waiting game. Lose, then wait it out hoping that everyone forgets.

Regular losses to India (not just random tournament losses) and the excuses that come with it will not fly with sustained defeats.

We may even get some key big name players try and evade some of the matches due to the fear of being made scapegoats. We saw in 2006 how Inzi pulled out of the Karachi match because after all the criticism of the previous two matches pitches being so flat that Karachi was going to have grass on it at the start. I don’t know about anyone else, but the fighting spirit I saw in that match may well have been because Inzi was not playing.

Either way, in the long run I believe regular test series vs India would be a good thing for Pakistan cricket.

Now I don’t control the political situation. We certainly should never beg India for a series. But if it’s in the cards we should let it happen.

It's not cut and dry.

The weaker team usually benefits from playing regularly against stronger teams but we've been playing Bangladesh for years and they've yet to show any spark. Pakistan are currently so poor as a Test team, it would make for regular 3 day finishes. And you have no clear path to improvement when I look at the domestic structure, age group cricket etc.

I'm afraid it might kill any enthusiasm for Tests in your country. After all, there's only so much humiliation a proud nation can take. You're already on the path to give up on Tests and a couple of humiliating series losses to India could be the final nail.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

First recover from humiliation defeat of 228 runs

Yep bro that was too bad much bigger than 180 runs CT final defeat that resulted in a trophy

 

[Devadwal]

Yep bro that was too bad much bigger than 180 runs CT final defeat that resulted in a trophy

We already have 2 champion trophy , next will be added in few months.

In 2050 when india - Pakistan fan's will be disscus cricket

Pakistan fan - We did beat india in 2017 CT .

 

[Varun]

If Pakistan played us for the last decade (since Misbah-Younis' retirements), we would smoke them 4-0 or 5-0 in a full test series, similar to England's constant thumpings in Australia.

 

[mominsaigol]

We already have 2 champion trophy , next will be added in few months.

In 2050 when india - Pakistan fan's will be disscus cricket

Pakistan fan - We did beat india in 2017 CT .

India isn't winning ct 2025? Why would they? They'll get knocked up by Australia in semi's and be discarded?

 

[Josh]

Anyone from current PCT that can make it to the Indian test Squad?

 

[Devadwal]

India isn't winning ct 2025? Why would they? They'll get knocked up by Australia in semi's and be discarded?

Yes like how they were knocked out by Australia in recent ICC event aka ICC world T20.

 

[Josh]

India isn't winning ct 2025? Why would they? They'll get knocked up by Australia in semi's and be discarded?

They have problems in finals against Aus not in semifinals or quarterfinals

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes like how they were knocked out by Australia in recent ICC event aka ICC world T20.

Afghanistan knocked Australia out. India did no such thing. Knocked out was what happened in the final.

You're lucky I don't support the Babar regime and because of the Babar regime pakistan doesn't have a chance againat India. The sarfi regime would knock out India in group stages this time around and given an even bigger thrashing then in ct 2017 final.

Pakistan has sadly let India off the hook due to no sarfi to lead.

 

[Devadwal]

Afghanistan knocked Australia out. India did no such thing. Knocked out was what happened in the final.

You're lucky I don't support the Babar regime and because of the Babar regime pakistan doesn't have a chance againat India. The sarfi regime would knock out India in group stages this time around and given an even bigger thrashing then in ct 2017 final.

Pakistan has sadly let India off the hook due to no sarfi to lead.

Australia last game was against India if they had won the match then they would have qualified for semifinals .so india knocked out Australia not Afghanistan

 

[mominsaigol]

Australia last game was against India if they had won the match then they would have qualified for semifinals .so india knocked 9ut Australia not Afghanistan

Wrong, Afghanistan knocked out Australia by beating Bangladesh closing the door.

Here's a rhyme.

Afghanistan knocked out Australia, don't get it twisted, We'll see how pretty your face is when Australia once again uplifts it

 

[Devadwal]

Afghanistan knocked Australia out. India did no such thing. Knocked out was what happened in the final.

You're lucky I don't support the Babar regime and because of the Babar regime pakistan doesn't have a chance againat India. The sarfi regime would knock out India in group stages this time around and given an even bigger thrashing then in ct 2017 final.

Pakistan has sadly let India off the hook due to no sarfi to lead.

Lol after 2017 CT india humiliated sarfi Pakistan twice in Asia cup 2018 ( 9 wicket and 8 wicket victory) and then again destroy sarfi pakistan im 2019 world cup .

 

[Devadwal]

Wrong, Afghanistan knocked out Australia by beating Bangladesh closing the door.

Here's a rhyme.

Afghanistan knocked out Australia, don't get it twisted, We'll see how pretty your face is when Australia once again uplifts it

Your theory to understand the game is absolutely wrong . you'll learn with time. Enjoy

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol after 2017 CT india humiliated sarfi Pakistan twice in Asia cup 2018 ( 9 wicket and 8 wicket victory) and then again destroy sarfi pakistan im 2019 world cup .

It's all pish posh at the end of the day.

Look India is a strong team, it's goated, but at the end of the day even I'm shocked at how freakishly incompetent they are in finals.

Imagine nearly losing to south africa and having to rely on the best bowler India has ever produced, even though SA has the pressure mentality of a kitten and would get knocked up by Nepal in a final, no joke.

It's no wonder Australia and pakistan absolutely smack dabbed them black and blue because India has no freaking clue on how to actually play a final and thankfully played against the one team that doesn't know how to play anything under pressure.

 

[Josh]

Lol after 2017 CT india humiliated sarfi Pakistan twice in Asia cup 2018 ( 9 wicket and 8 wicket victory) and then again destroy sarfi pakistan im 2019 world cup .

Sarfi was older by that time

 

[Devadwal]

It's all pish posh at the end of the day.

Look India is a strong team, it's goated, but at the end of the day even I'm shocked at how freakishly incompetent they are in finals.

Imagine nearly losing to south africa and having to rely on the best bowler India has ever produced, even though SA has the pressure mentality of a kitten and would get knocked up by Nepal in a final, no joke.

It's no wonder Australia and pakistan absolutely smack dabbed them black and blue because India has no freaking clue on how to actually play a final and thankfully played against the one team that doesn't know how to play anything under pressure.

India smashed Australia and Pakistan more than any others team in world cricket in last 10 year .

Check the records who beat most of time australia at home or away from home in all formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

Your theory to understand the game is absolutely wrong . you'll learn with time. Enjoy

Nothing changes the fact that India is the 2nd worst team of all time to ever play finals with the 1st being sa.

Mentally Australia is the strongest team with India being one of the weakest mentally. Sa is by far the weakest and only in recent times due to Asia cup drubbing pakistan is mentally even weaker then that.

The biggest issue with India is that they need to pack big guns to win and outcompete. Ever since Dhoni left, they had no shot in hell of pulling an Afghanistan or a 2023 Australia and being able to pull upsets.

It's either outgun or brain fade. That's why England murdered them so badly in 2022 and Australia in wtc because they didn't know how to win with lack of resources like other teams can.

They'll never ever pull a 2015 NZ, Afghanistan or 2023 Australia in any circumstance. They don't have the mental ability and haven't had it since Dhoni.

It's either putgun or brain fade.

 

[Devadwal]

Nothing changes the fact that India is the 2nd worst team of all time to ever play finals with the 1st being sa.

Mentally Australia is the strongest team with India being one of the weakest mentally. Sa is by far the weakest and only in recent times due to Asia cup drubbing pakistan is mentally even weaker then that.

The biggest issue with India is that they need to pack big guns to win and outcompete. Ever since Dhoni left, they had no shot in hell of pulling an Afghanistan or a 2023 Australia and being able to pull upsets.

It's either outgun or brain fade. That's why England murdered them so badly in 2022 and Australia in wtc because they didn't know how to win with lack of resources like other teams can.

They'll never ever pull a 2015 NZ, Afghanistan or 2023 Australia in any circumstance. They don't have the mental ability and haven't had it since Dhoni.

It's either putgun or brain fade.

Australia has edge over India in finals ,no one denied that .but this doesn't change the fact thar your reading of game is absolutely wrong bro .

 

[Devadwal]

Now we finally broke the Jinx of not winning the ICC events .

Champion trophy is next ICC tournament ,meets me after CT final .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australia has edge of India in finals ,no one denied that .but this doesn't change the fact thar your reading of game is absolutely wrong bro .

They don't have edge anymore now that INdia has got rid of KL Rahul from LOI set up. Seriously India's long standing problem is one-dimensional nature of the unit. India still has holes. Jadeja in all fairness is not good even for ODI as an all rounder. India needs a seaming all rounder. One that we had could not make it to final. Until they fix that issue they should be prepared for shock exits. You cannot go in with a side where last 5 batsmen cannot make more than 20 or 30 runs. Part of the reason India goes into shell in important games is because of this lack of depth. It has a cascading effect. Nothing to do with Australia. India has focus on more all roundres. Once they acquire them wait and watch. They will be winning more world cups. Nitish Reddy is a good step in the right direction.

 

[mominsaigol]

Australia has edge of India in finals ,no one denied that .but this doesn't change the fact thar your reading of game is absolutely wrong bro .

How is it wrong? Genuinely?

Let's say India did knock out Australia even though that makes no sense, since Australia's chances depended on Afghanistan beating Bangladesh and had nothing to do with India.

What have I said that's wrong?

South africa is more guilty then India, since their also a simple matter of outgun or get wrecked.

Dhoni was a gun Indian captain because he actually achieved with zero bowling resources and always had to make the best use of his bowlers and field placements which is why he beat Bangladesh in that 2 of 2 needed gake or why he won ct 2013 with ishant sharma.

But India overall doesn't have the mental ability. They have the world's best resources and you'd expect them to dominate like classic Australia but that hasn't happened. Lack of silverware is the first element in this despite controlling most of cricket and being the richest board with the richest league


The truth is with negative amounts of resources like nz 2015 vs aus 2015 In group stage, India has a fat chance in hell against Any team.

People tried to pull the same nonsense qith me on Sachin vs bradman. Aussie originator were literally ex prisoners sent to a prison land to die which is why their so resilient and genetically unbuilt and continue to find solutions to win.

2023 wasn't Australia's first silverware and it won't be their last either but in the case of India this domination trend will eventually fade.

You guys are genetically incapable but you have a strong environment that supports your domination followed by strong money + economy.

 

[Devadwal]

How is it wrong? Genuinely?

Let's say India did knock out Australia even though that makes no sense, since Australia's chances depended on Afghanistan beating Bangladesh and had nothing to do with India.

What have I said that's wrong?

South africa is more guilty then India, since their also a simple matter of outgun or get wrecked.

Dhoni was a gun Indian captain because he actually achieved with zero bowling resources and always had to make the best use of his bowlers and field placements which is why he beat Bangladesh in that 2 of 2 needed gake or why he won ct 2013 with ishant sharma.

But India overall doesn't have the mental ability. They have the world's best resources and you'd expect them to dominate like classic Australia but that hasn't happened. Lack of silverware is the first element in this despite controlling most of cricket and being the richest board with the richest league


The truth is with negative amounts of resources like nz 2015 vs aus 2015 In group stage, India has a fat chance in hell against Any team.

People tried to pull the same nonsense qith me on Sachin vs bradman. Aussie originator were literally ex prisoners sent to a prison land to die which is why their so resilient and genetically unbuilt and continue to find solutions to win.

2023 wasn't Australia's first silverware and it won't be their last either but in the case of India this domination trend will eventually fade.

You guys are genetically incapable but you have a strong environment that supports your domination followed by strong money + economy.

If australia had won the last match against india then they would have qualified without depend on others even they lost against Afghanistan .
Its very simple

 

[mominsaigol]

If australia had won the last match against india then they would have qualified without depend on others even they lost against Afghanistan .
Its very simple

What's your excuse for 2023 final? And 2027 final? I'm genuinely curious, let's hear it?

 

[Devadwal]

What's your excuse for 2023 final? And 2027 final? I'm genuinely curious, let's hear it?

India were going good until virat Kohli wickets after that rahul played very poor innings ,he should have finished the innings if he batted so slow , SKY selection was questionable in ODI formats . Instead 240 target another 40 runs would have made huge difference. Yes now people's say australia chase the target easily at the ends but this is now how read the game .india failed under pressure bcz of no batting in lower order .

Against Pakistan we made blunders by bowling first in 2017 .

 

[mominsaigol]

India were going good until virat Kohli wickets after that rahul played very poor innings ,he should have finished the innings if he batted so slow , SKY selection was questionable in ODI formats . Instead 240 target another 40 runs would have made huge difference. Yes now people's say australia chase the target easily at the ends but this is now how read the game .india failed under pressure bcz of no batting in lower order .

Against Pakistan we made blunders by bowling first in 2017 .

So no credit to either oppositions? Just india's fault?

Because I'm telling you brother the gap is not as high as people are making it seem. Their not playing in India anymore.

Australia bottled it against afghanistan as well, but it won't happen 24/7.

India struggled tooth and nail against pakistan, struggled tooth and nail against australia and struggled tooth and nail against sa.

Bumrah made the difference but one person making the difference( in pak's case it was axar patel as well) doesn't mean that the team itself is leagues above.

My gripe with Indian fans is that their acting like every team including australia sucks and that their leagues > everyone and that the curse is broken?

2024 india would get clobbered by 2015 australia in an odi series on a neutral or one aussie venue. 2025 ct isn't exactly in the bag for you guys. That's my only complaint.

India is the best team in the world but their not classic Australia or 2015 australia that you know fir a sure fact that they'll easily win. Infact nz 2015 was a shocking loss if anything and in the final nz was shown its place.

India is not ushering an era of dominance on away pitches lol. But I will agree on one thing. Based of current ct 2025 it seems besides australia and india that can eliminate each other, no other team can compete.

South africa is an exception but their too inconsistent and once they enter semi's their a goner for sure. Afghanistan isn't gonna beat Australia again, and if they somehow get into a pressure stage with australia, they'll get the same sa treatment in semi's.

The only team that can beat India is SA and Aus but sa can only do it in a group stage and they aren't in the same group in ct.

And the only team that can beat aus is afg, Sa and India, But afg can only do so if they face aus early, not late, same with sa.

Eng is a wild card and I can't tell with them.

The Champions Trophy is very balanced with the top 3. You're acting like it's classic Australia and india is 200% gonna win?

India has gaping holes in their batting bro, gaping holes in mentality as well during knock outs as well.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Nothing changes the fact that India is the 2nd worst team of all time to ever play finals with the 1st being sa.

Mentally Australia is the strongest team with India being one of the weakest mentally. Sa is by far the weakest and only in recent times due to Asia cup drubbing pakistan is mentally even weaker then that.

The biggest issue with India is that they need to pack big guns to win and outcompete. Ever since Dhoni left, they had no shot in hell of pulling an Afghanistan or a 2023 Australia and being able to pull upsets.

It's either outgun or brain fade. That's why England murdered them so badly in 2022 and Australia in wtc because they didn't know how to win with lack of resources like other teams can.

They'll never ever pull a 2015 NZ, Afghanistan or 2023 Australia in any circumstance. They don't have the mental ability and haven't had it since Dhoni.

It's either putgun or brain fade.

This is next level filtering. I understand someone Indian fans acting arrogant might have angered you but that's a bit Mamoon-esque

 

[Devadwal]

So no credit to either oppositions? Just india's fault?

Because I'm telling you brother the gap is not as high as people are making it seem. Their not playing in India anymore.

Australia bottled it against afghanistan as well, but it won't happen 24/7.

India struggled tooth and nail against pakistan, struggled tooth and nail against australia and struggled tooth and nail against sa.

Bumrah made the difference but one person making the difference( in pak's case it was axar patel as well) doesn't mean that the team itself is leagues above.

My gripe with Indian fans is that their acting like every team including australia sucks and that their leagues > everyone and that the curse is broken?

2024 india would get clobbered by 2015 australia in an odi series on a neutral or one aussie venue. 2025 ct isn't exactly in the bag for you guys. That's my only complaint.

India is the best team in the world but their not classic Australia or 2015 australia that you know fir a sure fact that they'll easily win. Infact nz 2015 was a shocking loss if anything and in the final nz was shown its place.

India is not ushering an era of dominance on away pitches lol. But I will agree on one thing. Based of current ct 2025 it seems besides australia and india that can eliminate each other, no other team can compete.

South africa is an exception but their too inconsistent and once they enter semi's their a goner for sure. Afghanistan isn't gonna beat Australia again, and if they somehow get into a pressure stage with australia, they'll get the same sa treatment in semi's.

The only team that can beat India is SA and Aus but sa can only do it in a group stage and they aren't in the same group in ct.

And the only team that can beat aus is afg, Sa and India, But afg can only do so if they face aus early, not late, same with sa.

Eng is a wild card and I can't tell with them.

The Champions Trophy is very balanced with the top 3. You're acting like it's classic Australia and india is 200% gonna win?

India has gaping holes in their batting bro, gaping holes in mentality as well during knock outs as well.

Oh bhai we did beat australia and Pakistan in same tournament so easily. Australia only has edges in finals .

Now we broke the jinx Of icc tournament lets meet me after next ICC tournament.

Oh wait BGT is coming shortly we will show you who is the boss of test cricket.

I don't care about one of WTC final

First beat in a test series even a home if australia is mentally so strong.

We are winning the CT 100% . bookmark this post .

 

[Devadwal]

This is next level filtering. I understand someone Indian fans acting arrogant might have angered you but that's a bit Mamoon-esque

Bro i have started to following him when he joined the PP .

I know he is Pakistan fans but change after india gave them Epic phainti in Asia cup

Chose australia to support as they have better number against us to undermine indian performance. This is becomes the Trend here.

Anyways anyone can support any teams so I don't have problem with that .