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There u go , he was taken out of context -
http://www.mediaite.com/online/carson-blames-media-for-capitalizing-on-rabid-dog-comment/

I think he was referring to people like you when he mentioned 'gullible :)

No, no, no you're not getting away with that old "taken out of context" excuse.

Tell me is there ANY justification for using the term "rabid dogs" in ANY discussion of Syrian refugees. Even if he didn't call Syrian refugees 'rabid dogs' - you still don't use that language on a subject of people fleeing war and persecution if you're a responsible politician. Its a clumsy and disgusting analogy to use. Replace the word Syrian with Jewish refugees - Carson would've 100% have had to apologise by now and you know that. The full quote is:

"For instance, if there's a rabid dog running around your neighborhood you're probably not gonna assume something good about that dog and you're probably gonna put your children out of the way," he said.

It refers to him not wanting more Syrian refugees into the country unless there's more security screening - but there ALREADY is extensive security screening so he hasn't got his facts straight. This article details how the US has a MORE robust screening system for refugees than Europe so what the hell is Carson talking about with letting rabid dogs into the country.

This posturing by the GOP candidates about insufficient security checks on refugees is a blatant lie.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kyleblaine/...ut-how-us-screens-syrian-refugees#.hk3KXdAagy

Though the Obama administration said the United States will accept 10,000 refugees in 2016, the complex process takes an average of 18 to 24 months.

Many of those refugees who would be approved in 2016 are already going through the security-screening process and upon completion will enter the U.S. next year, according to a senior State Department official. Some have raised concerns this fall that even the level of security that the United States applies to the process is not sufficient enough to actually keep extremists from entering the country.

Secretary John Kerry told Congress earlier this year that the plan was to engage in “super vetting, I mean an extraordinarily level of vetting.” He added that if the FBI wasn’t satisfied, he was “quite confident that people aren’t going to be allowed in.”

To gain admittance into the United States, a Syrian must clear all these steps:

Multiple high-level security checks
Biometric screening
A mandatory interview with the Department of Homeland Security
A medical screening
A cultural orientation program (which consists of videos on housing, employment, education, and hygiene, among other topics)
 
:))) at the idea Obama wasn't vetted. Do you follow American politics ? Do you not remember the birth certificate furore ? The right-media have relentlessly attacked Obama from day one - that he's not American, he's a secret Muslim etc. Go back and watch the CNN debates again. The GOP were given softball after softball with lame questions like "What did you think about what Donald Trump said about you ?" with no questioning on substance whereas Anderson Cooper turned up with a machine gun against the Democrats.

What I said was the leftish media like CNN , ABC , MSNBC , NYT gave him a relatively free pass in 2008 annd 2012.All the heavy vetting about certificate and lies in his bio was done by conservative sites like Fox , Breitbart , DailyCaller and others.
Because of all the criticism they recieved some orgs like CNN have become more balanced hence the good questions by anderson cooper in the recent debate.
 
Trump is killing it. I really thought he was a joke in the beginning but he is the most media savvy of all candidates. Call him what you want but the guy has genuine support. No one except maybe Bernie on the left is getting people excited about politics like he is. As for his right wing anti-immigrant rhetoric. I think its all for show. He is a businessman at his core. He knows how to grab headlines and take any issue and turn it to his advantage. Pure genius. I strongly believe if he wins, he will rule as a moderate.

Trump all the way!!!
 
Trump is killing it. I really thought he was a joke in the beginning but he is the most media savvy of all candidates. Call him what you want but the guy has genuine support. No one except maybe Bernie on the left is getting people excited about politics like he is. As for his right wing anti-immigrant rhetoric. I think its all for show. He is a businessman at his core. He knows how to grab headlines and take any issue and turn it to his advantage. Pure genius. I strongly believe if he wins, he will rule as a moderate.

Trump all the way!!!

The guy comes across as a looney only because he is a loose cannon ball but like i said before he has been dreaming of becoming president for the last 15 years and has always flirted with the idea of entering the presidential race. He must have done enormous research and used firms to figure out what people what to hear and is now giving it to them.

Bernie is just a joke and is getting support from far leftists, socialists and those people who don't what to work and want the government to provide everything to them on a silver platter, his support will evaporate as we get closer to the elections.
 
The guy comes across as a looney only because he is a loose cannon ball but like i said before he has been dreaming of becoming president for the last 15 years and has always flirted with the idea of entering the presidential race. He must have done enormous research and used firms to figure out what people what to hear and is now giving it to them.

Bernie is just a joke and is getting support from far leftists, socialists and those people who don't what to work and want the government to provide everything to them on a silver platter, his support will evaporate as we get closer to the elections.

I am not so sure about the "enormous research and firms" part. He hardly does any debate prep. He never speaks from a written speech or tele-prompter. He just has a natural knack of understanding which way the wind is blowing. He has mastery of the media. He knows exactly what buttons to punish and how to get himself publicity.
 
Way to go Donald. At least he's truthful about his fascism. What does it say about Donald Trump's audience when they cheer and applaud their man when he promises to commit war crimes !

Waterboarding does NOT work ! The Senate Intelligence Committee didn't find any evidence torture led to credible information.

I wonder if Trump's kids enlist in the military unlike their draft dodging daddy and they end up captured and tortured whether Trump's tune would change.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...en-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it#comments

Donald Trump on waterboarding: 'Even if it doesn't work they deserve it'

Donald Trump touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that “you bet your ass” he would bring it back into use.

Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. “I would approve more than that,” he said.

Trump told supporters: “Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works.”

The Republican frontrunner then added “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.

Trump is not the first Republican candidate to endorse the use of waterboarding, which involves simulating drowning, in an attempt to elicit information from terror suspects.

Waterboarding was first used by the US in 2002 on an al-Qaida suspect, then on at least two other CIA detainees during the Bush administration, including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden and mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It was banned by the Bush administration in 2006 as ineffective and potentially illegal.

Trump also doubled down on his unproven claim that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Trump insisted there were “tailgate-style celebrations” on rooftops in Jersey City, New Jersey, and said: “I saw it on television and I read about it on the internet.”

The author of the newspaper article that Trump has cited for that claim said on Monday that he does not remember any evidence of those celebrations.
 
Trump supporters are lunatics...damn lunatics ! The hatred and ignorance possessed is astounding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e9edf8-9f44-11e5-a3c5-c77f2cc5a43c_story.html

Only eight members of the group disagreed with Trump’s proposal for a temporary ban on any Muslims entering the United States. One of the hold-outs said he was hosting an exchange student from Saudi Arabia, and did business in that country, but he could disagree with Trump about Muslims and vote for him anyway.

No one in the group wanted to find himself or herself on the side of the mainstream media — or of President Obama. When Luntz asked participants to sum him up in a word or phrase, “socialist” and “Jimmy Carter” tumbled forth, until an elderly man raised the ante.

“I wouldn’t urinate on him if he was on fire,” he said.

“That’s the meanest thing I’ve ever heard,” said Luntz.

Frank Lanzillo, a 59-year old retired marine, took that as a cue to explain just how anti-American the president really was.

“When you bend down to the Saudis, take your shoes off, put your hand on a Koran and then the Bible when you’re sworn in?
” Lanzillo said. “He took his flag pin off. I’m a marine and former deputy sheriff. He took that off, he was in the toilet to me. I would not only not **** on him if he was on fire — I’d throw gas on him.”

“Donald Trump says that President Obama wants to allow 250,000 Syrian refugees to come into the country,” said Luntz. “Who thinks that is mostly true?”

Nearly every hand shot up.

“Do you know that Obama has said he wants only 10,000 refugees?” asked Luntz.

“What’s in his heart?” asked one participant.

“He’d let as many in as possible,” insisted another.

Luntz moved on to questions about Trump’s claim that “thousands of Muslims” had “cheered the collapse of the World Trade Center.” Almost no one doubted Trump; more than a few people wondered why this was controversial. The youngest member of the group wondered why he never saw Muslims in the streets protesting terrorism. Kelly said that there was fresh audio evidence of Muslims celebrating the San Bernardino shootings, though he could not immediately recall the source.
 
Cruz has landed a major endorsement from an evangelical group in Iowa so he is now sure to win Iowa. Unlike other winners of Iowa who ended up losing the primaries, he has a great network, money and national game plan to win it all. After Trump's recent comments, I give Cruz the upper hand even though the polls might still be showing Trump in the lead.
 
Carson calls fear of Muslims ‘a gift’ — plans to defeat ISIS with probe of Muslim civil rights group

Republican presidential contender and retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson has called for a federal investigation of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) for ties to terrorist groups.

According to the New York Times, Carson unveiled a seven-point anti-terrorism plan this week ahead of Tuesday night’s televised debate between the Republican candidates in Las Vegas.

“The Department of State should designate the Muslim Brotherhood and other organizations that propagate or support Islamic terrorism as terrorist organizations, and fully investigate the Council on American-Islamic Relations as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and a supporter of terrorism,” said Carson’s proposal.

CAIR has long been a popular right-wing bogeyman, in spite of the group’s long-stated stance against Islamic extremism. The group even has a web page expressly devoted to debunking accusations that it is tied to terror groups.

Alan Rappaport of the Times said, “Representatives for council, or CAIR, said this is the first time this election cycle that a candidate has accused the organization of being affiliated with terrorist groups. CAIR was investigated in the past for having ties to terrorists and the Department of Justice opted against prosecuting the group or its leaders.”

Carson’s plan calls for a federal declaration of war against the Islamic State, as well as the mobilization of the U.S. military to the Middle East and a “war-time emergency” policy halting immigration and setting up stringent new visa requirements for foreign visitors. Carson also intends to “immediately deploy the National Guard and military troops to patrol the U.S. southern border as well as designated spots along the northern border.”

In a Monday op ed column for the conservative Washington Times, Carson wrote, “The reason we call certain things ideals — liberty, equality and brotherhood, for example — is not because it is easy to exemplify them, but because it is challenging to do so when confronted by fear and uncertainty. But the ability to strive towards these ideals in the face of difficulties is what separates a civilization founded upon enlightenment era philosophy and Judeo-Christian values from almost every other culture on earth.”

He continued, “We should not seek to suppress the instincts of fear that Donald Trump and so many others feel when seeing a person who appears to be a Muslim. As we know, fear can often be a gift. But we have to acknowledge our biases and create safe spaces to speak about them openly. That is what is so dangerous about political correctness — it prevents us from having open and frank discussions.”

Anti-Muslim animus has surged in the U.S. as rhetoric in the race for the Republican nomination has heated up. Carson suggested that no Muslim person is fit to serve as president of this country, drawing fire from critics.

However, it was Donald Trump’s statements about banning all Muslims from entering the U.S. in the wake of recent terror attacks that appear to have ramped up acts of harassment, vandalism and intimidation against Muslims nationally.

Carson enjoyed a brief surge in electoral polls earlier in the campaign cycle, but inconsistencies in his retelling of his life story and other missteps have cost him. Former reality TV star and businessman Trump continues to enjoy a commanding lead over all other Republican candidates, hitting new highs in recent polls.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/ben...isis-with-probe-of-muslim-civil-rights-group/
 
nothing wrong with having an investigation if they can get a warrant from the courts.
 
bunch of clowns, seriously, what has world come ?
Mitt Romney was a decent man, heck ill take Mccain instead of clowns like cruz,trump, santrum and co. Graham seems likable among these jokers
 
It helps to read. ;-)

fair enough then.

look, nobody is saying that CAIR are terrorists but USA is in a state of war even though the govt will not say it out loud. some rights of some people will get trampled and there will be racial sterotyping. it's just a fact of life just as islamic terrorism is now.
 
I'm from the UK so not really bothered but I'm watching the debate today, it's comedy.

Cruz and Rubio seem like Marv and Harry from Home Alone.
 
What a joke. You know the candidates suck when Jeb Bush looks reasonable. Bush and Paul are the only ones who actually seemed to have some credibility, but knowing the GOP fanbase, the likes of Trump and Cruz are gonna be leading the polls anyway.

Radical Islam blah blah blah blah blah, not one word about other things such as gun violence, barely any discussion of economy and other issues. They just keep blabbering about how the US army is weakened. Yeah, sure...

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And Ben Carson saying that the children who will be killed from carpet bombs will be thankful like the children he operated on...

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It has always been comedy. The best version of it was hosted by CNBC, where the first question asked of Trump was actually that - something along the lines of 'are you running a comedy show?'.
 
By the way, that joke of a debate on CNN where the Republicans debated national security (like they never talk about it in other debates...) - was there any mention of the FACT that white right-wing extremists have killed FIVE times as many as Muslim terrorists ?

Did they mention Robert Dear or Dylann Roof ? No, its much easier to ostracise and demonise "the other" - its what the modern day Republican Party is built on. Fear, hatred and suspicion of people who don't look like you.

Its funny how Rand Paul criticised Chris Christie for his insane threat that he would shoot down Russian airplanes and said he'd risk World War 3...to almost zero acknowledgement from the audience ! Doesn't Paul get it ? Nuance, rationality and reasoned arguments won't win over this insane Republican crowd who are awash with ignorance, full of the hatred from the lies Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity instil in them.
 
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Trump rise is for real

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Despite his controversial views on Muslims, there is no slump in his popularity and he is also pulling more support.

Billionaire businessman Donald Trump has retained the lead in the race for the Republican Presidential nomination three weeks ahead of the Iowa caucuses, belying the conventional wisdom that has sustained the hopes of his opponents -- extreme candidates wilt nearer to primaries.

Not only that there is no slump in his popularity, Mr. Trump is also pulling more support for his controversial views on Muslims and immigrants.

“I’m going all the way”

Mr. Trump said on Sunday that he would not quit the race even if he loses Iowa on February 1. “There's no maybes…I’m going all the way. If I don’t win, I don’t win,” Mr. Trump told NBC on Sunday, adding that he would test his popularity in the Republican convention in July.

A Reuters poll on January 8 found only 47.8 percent respondents agreeing that his comments about Muslims could hurt his chances of becoming President, down by ten percentage points from December 9.

20 p.c. of Democratic voters want him

Another poll released on Saturday by Mercury Analytics, a Washington-based research company that has MSNBC and Fox News among its clients, showed 20 percent of Democratic voters could switch if Mr. Trump was the Republican candidate as opposed to 14 percent Republican voters. Effectively, Mr. Trump, as candidate, will attract more voters than he will repel.

Mr. Trump has started 2016 with his first advertisement campaign that trumped up his promise of stopping the entry of Muslims to the U.S, which the polls suggested resonated well even with the Democratic voters. Nearly a quarter of Democrats said they “agree completely” with Mr. Trump’s ads, and another 19 percent agreed “somewhat,” according to the Mercury polls.

Convincing lead

In Iowa, a Fox News poll shows Mr. Trump at 23 percent trailing Senator Ted Cruz who is at 27. But nationally and in New Hampshire where the primaries are scheduled for February 9, Mr. Trump is leading by a convincing margin. In New Hampshire, Mr. Trump has 33 percent, while Senator Marco Rubio who is at the second place has 15 percent support. Nationally, Mr. Trump has 35 percent and Mr. Cruz has 20 percent. In the Reuters polls, Mr. Trump’s lead is even bigger nationally – 41.1 percent against Mr. Cruz’s 16.2.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/trump-rise-is-for-real/article8089184.ece
 
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Well well well. :13:
 
Trump will be the republican candidate for sure , thats one hurdle crossed.

I dont know man. It is looking more and more like GOP is getting antsy with his antics. Did you hear Nikki Haley's speech?

The party is split when it comes to Trump.
 
I will be very nervous if it turns out to be Trump vs Hillary. America is not ready yet for a female President.
 
Trump's rebuttal to Cruz last night at the debate about "New York values" possibly sunk Cruz's campaign, and I say that despite loathing Trump. However US politicians need to learn that hiding behind 9/11 and saying you were there in New York when the Towers fell doesn't absolve you of any criticism.

"But what about..."
"9/11 !"

Its like that scene from Family Guy. When I listen to the UK election debates, nobody invokes 7/7 to make a political point. And these same politicians have the gall to say after mass shootings "don't politicise a tragedy" yet they do it ALL THE FRICKIN' TIME with 9/11 !
 
Trump's rebuttal to Cruz last night at the debate about "New York values" possibly sunk Cruz's campaign, and I say that despite loathing Trump. However US politicians need to learn that hiding behind 9/11 and saying you were there in New York when the Towers fell doesn't absolve you of any criticism.

"But what about..."
"9/11 !"

Its like that scene from Family Guy. When I listen to the UK election debates, nobody invokes 7/7 to make a political point. And these same politicians have the gall to say after mass shootings "don't politicise a tragedy" yet they do it ALL THE FRICKIN' TIME with 9/11 !

Ted was playing with fire and took it too far when he said "NEWYORK values" . You do not alienate a whole state. Alienating muslims is flavor of the month now but when you are gonna do it to a whole state you are gonna have egg on your face . Gotta give it to Trump for thinking on his feet and bring Ted down . I feel Ted will be more dangerous president than Trump .
 
Highlights from the Democratic debate:

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Rubio has been impressive in recent weeks.

Bernie is second only to Trump in his crackpot ideas thought atleast he's not a bigot.
 
Rubio has been impressive in recent weeks.
Rubio in any another election cycle would be a strong contender but is way behind in the polls. US public are sick of establishment politicians hence the attraction for the outsiders.

Also please expound upon the crackpot ideas Sanders has. Ensuring every American has access to healthcare ? Reinstating Glass-Steagal so banks don't gamble with depositor money ? Reforming a broken criminal justice system that disproportionately targets African-Americans ?

Are they any more crackpot than the proven failed GOP mantra of lower taxes and more deregulation for their corporate puppetmasters ?

Sanders might not be able to implement his policies through Congress but that's another issue.
 
It seems to me that influential Republicans have resigned to the prospect of Donald Trump as their nominee. Luckily, Donald Trump is a terrible general election candidate. Has the highest unavailability among the crossover voters.
 
It seems to me that influential Republicans have resigned to the prospect of Donald Trump as their nominee. Luckily, Donald Trump is a terrible general election candidate. Has the highest unavailability among the crossover voters.

Unfavorability ratings matter only if the other side has a mostly favorable general election candidate. In this election cycle, whether Dem or Rep, other than Sanders everyone is in the net minus ranking on the favorability scale other than the Neurosurgoen who has almost the same favorable versus unfavorable rating making him net zero. While Hillary's unfavorability ratings aren't as high at Trump's, they are not to be taken lightly. Plus, in general election campaign, one would expect Trump to move to the center, while Hillary is already in the center. Also, we should not discount the "enthusiasm factor". Obama had it during his first campaign. Sanders has it to some extent but Trump is the only candidate who is consistently packing arenas after arenas, with people waiting in line for hours in sub zero temparature to attend his events. One cannot deny the "movement" phenomenon about Trump's campaign as well which throws the conventional wisdom out the door. It could mean that a lot of people who never voted could come out for him (almost half of Americans do not vote). All hypotheticals but nevertheless.
 
What trump says about Muslims is the same stuff Democrats and others of
"liberals" and "independent" media is saying for years.Since he
says it more openly and bluntly it embarrasses them.Even the reaction
against his statements was not so much in solidarity with Muslims as
about preserving delusions they hold about themselves.Well you get no
brownie points for "tolerating" religious difference which as a whole
is not relevant in your society anymore.

How Trump can be possibly Worse than oh so statesmanlike barak'We are the best,period' Obama anyway? Who bombed 7 countries hunting those god forsaken "terrorists" and promises to continue more of the same despite instability and chaos they result in those countries?

Perhaps trump and his supporters are being truer to
themselves.They have not forgotten meanings of words and what voice of
authority should sound like .All garden variety experts on terrorism
and Muslims on electronic and print media who may all seem to have
definite agendas to a discerning and mature intellect,But 'man in street'
might conceive them as the last word of authority and dignity.atleast
with trump the world will know what to expect.If nothing else he could
by hastening America's Political and Economic decline will do rest of
the world some favor and maybe make it a more peaceful place.Democrats
are just at a dead end now.Epitome of hypocrisy from head to toe.Always
saying what they know ain't so and vice versa.
 
Just when you think Sarah Palin couldn't get any stupider, she blames President Obama for her son Track battering his girlfriend - so much for the party of "personal responsibility".

Palin endorsed Trump this week. Imagine if those two ran on the same ticket. There wouldn't be two brain cells to rub together between the pair of them.
 
If Trump wins the Republican nomination, he will end up being the next US President. People from both parties are fed up the status quo in Washington and are desperately looking for a alternative. Once Trump wins the Republican nomination he will tone down his over the top rhetric and easily defeat Clinton even winning in States such as New York.
 
If Trump wins the Republican nomination, he will end up being the next US President. People from both parties are fed up the status quo in Washington and are desperately looking for a alternative. Once Trump wins the Republican nomination he will tone down his over the top rhetric and easily defeat Clinton even winning in States such as New York.

Hahaha. Cool story, bro.
 
If Trump wins the Republican nomination, he will end up being the next US President. People from both parties are fed up the status quo in Washington and are desperately looking for a alternative. Once Trump wins the Republican nomination he will tone down his over the top rhetric and easily defeat Clinton even winning in States such as New York.

Yeah trump will eat into the democratic votes. The biggest battle for him will be to get through the Republican race.
 
That's your argument? Lol?

http://www.christiantoday.com/artic....democrats.likely.to.vote.for.trump/76188.htm

I can cite other polls too.

What are u basing your argument on? I'm yet to see a poll that says Hillary will get any repubs.

Lol, so you link a website called ChristianToday. Geez that doesn't seem like a Republican news outlet at all.

Besides, I don't even need to show Hilary poll results when, like you, I can just go and google some random keywords to show that the opposite is occurring too. Except, its Sanders who is slowly winning over Republican/conservative voters who are sick of the people representing the GOP at the moment.
 
Lol, so you link a website called ChristianToday. Geez that doesn't seem like a Republican news outlet at all.

Besides, I don't even need to show Hilary poll results when, like you, I can just go and google some random keywords to show that the opposite is occurring too. Except, its Sanders who is slowly winning over Republican/conservative voters who are sick of the people representing the GOP at the moment.

Christian today didn't run the poll, they are just quoting the fox news poll. What makes u think fox news faked the results? I can quote other polls too.

There is yet to be a poll done that shows Hillary or Sanders gaining any credibility with the Republican voters. Please go ahead and post one if u can. Not particularly interested in ur opinion though
 
Lol, so you link a website called ChristianToday. Geez that doesn't seem like a Republican news outlet at all.

Besides, I don't even need to show Hilary poll results when, like you, I can just go and google some random keywords to show that the opposite is occurring too. Except, its Sanders who is slowly winning over Republican/conservative voters who are sick of the people representing the GOP at the moment.

And he calls himself "pro-choice, pro-marriage equality, pro-science" LOL

Sounds like anuk wants the GOP to win so he can round up all Muslims and send us to concentration camps. That's what he ultimately wants since he did equate all Muslims with being the same as Nazism. He's right in line with his fellow Sri Lankan Buddhist fanatics who advocate the same thing.
 
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Christian today didn't run the poll, they are just quoting the fox news poll. What makes u think fox news faked the results? I can quote other polls too.

There is yet to be a poll done that shows Hillary or Sanders gaining any credibility with the Republican voters. Please go ahead and post one if u can. Not particularly interested in ur opinion though

Yes because Fox News never has lied in their lives, amirite?
 
Yes because Fox News never has lied in their lives, amirite?

has anybody proven fox news polls to be incorrect so far?

i believe all news organizations would have reported some incorrect news at some point in their existence. happy to use one exclusively if u can find one that hasn't made a mistake
 
what does what this woman said have to do with me?

can u at least try to post things that are relevant?
 
what does what this woman said have to do with me?

can u at least try to post things that are relevant?

Sure dude, all the latino's, blacks and all minorities and liberals who are actually leaning towards bernie sanders are going to jump in and vote for a frigging lunatic. This must be true becos christian today and fox news said so

how fricking old are you? the reason you are being compared to that idiot girl is becos you don't sound all that different from her.

defending fox news <SMH> That takes some special kinda stupid.
 
Sure dude, all the latino's, blacks and all minorities and liberals who are actually leaning towards bernie sanders are going to jump in and vote for a frigging lunatic. This must be true becos christian today and fox news said so

how fricking old are you? the reason you are being compared to that idiot girl is becos you don't sound all that different from her.

defending fox news <SMH> That takes some special kinda stupid.

it's okay to have a different opinion, try not to call people names and insult them for that though. i'll ignore ur posts from now on as u seem to be no different from the extremists on both sides. good day.
 
it's okay to have a different opinion, try not to call people names and insult them for that though. i'll ignore ur posts from now on as u seem to be no different from the extremists on both sides. good day.

Can't handle the heat? Step out of the kitchen homeboy.
 
it's okay to have a different opinion, try not to call people names and insult them for that though. i'll ignore ur posts from now on as u seem to be no different from the extremists on both sides. good day.

It is my opinion that you are an informed, clueless idiot.

Republicans have lost the popular vote in the last 4 of 5 predential elections and and won by teh kisn of their teeth in 2000 and 2004 in the electoral college.

right wing nut baggery like Trump's cost them the Senate majority in 2010 and 2012 and would have cost them in the house if not for gerry mandering.

so if you are going to say some thing brainless like Trump will eat into democrats vote, you are going to get mocked and pilloried,. suck it up.
 
It is my opinion that you are an informed, clueless idiot.

Republicans have lost the popular vote in the last 4 of 5 predential elections and and won by teh kisn of their teeth in 2000 and 2004 in the electoral college.

right wing nut baggery like Trump's cost them the Senate majority in 2010 and 2012 and would have cost them in the house if not for gerry mandering.

so if you are going to say some thing brainless like Trump will eat into democrats vote, you are going to get mocked and pilloried,. suck it up.

This is what he says:

i am pro choice, pro marriage equality, pro science, anti religion etc etc but i do see the danger the world is in right now from the biggest evil since nazism.

i think it's okay for me to consider myself a liberal still?

And yet supports a party that is the complete opposite of what he allegedly believes in.
 
This is what he says:



And yet supports a party that is the complete opposite of what he allegedly believes in.



kdnik whatever is on my ignore list. i have too better things to do than reply to internet trolls and bigots

curious to know what u consider bill maher or hitchens to be?
 
kdnik whatever is on my ignore list. i have too better things to do than reply to internet trolls and bigots

curious to know what u consider bill maher or hitchens to be?

The mere fact that you put hitchens and maher in the same sentence puts a big question mark about you.

Hitchens (and maher) treat all religions with same level of contempt and its nothing like the lunacy and bigotry of Trump.

So try again.
 
If Trump does win his party's nomination and Hillary falters in her own, we may yet see a white knight.

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Bloomberg, Sensing an Opening, Revisits a Potential White House Run
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/23/new-...ing-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html

Michaell R. Bloomberg has instructed advisers to draw up plans for an independent campaign in this year’s presidential race. His advisers said he is galled by Donald J. Trump’s dominance of the Republican field, and troubled by Hillary Clinton’s stumbles and the rise of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont on the Democratic side.

Mr. Bloomberg, the billionaire former mayor of New York City, has in the past contemplated running for the White House on a third-party ticket, but always concluded he could not win. A confluence of unlikely events in the 2016 election, however, has given new impetus to his presidential aspirations.

Mr. Bloomberg, 73, has already taken concrete steps toward a possible campaign, and has indicated to friends and allies that he would be willing to spend at least $1 billion of his fortune on it, according to people briefed on his deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss his plans. He has set a deadline for making a final decision in early March, the latest point at which advisers believe Mr. Bloomberg could enter the race and still qualify to appear as an independent candidate on the ballot in all 50 states.

He has retained a consultant to help him explore getting his name on those ballots, and his aides have done a detailed study of past third-party bids. Mr. Bloomberg commissioned a poll in December to see how he might fare against Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton, and he intends to conduct another round of polling after the New Hampshire primary on Feb. 9 to gauge whether there is indeed an opening for him, according to two people familiar with his intentions.

Mr. Bloomberg’s aides have sketched out one version of a campaign plan that would have the former mayor, a low-key and cerebral personality, deliver a series of detailed policy speeches, backed by an intense television advertising campaign that would introduce him to voters around the country as a technocratic problem-solver and self-made businessman who understands the economy and who built a bipartisan administration in New York.

Mr. Bloomberg would face daunting and perhaps insurmountable obstacles in a presidential campaign: No independent candidate has ever been elected to the White House, and Mr. Bloomberg’s close Wall Street ties and liberal social views, including his strong support for abortion rights and gun control, could repel voters on the left and right.

But his possible candidacy also underscores the volatility of a presidential race that could be thrown into further turmoil by a wild-card candidate like Mr. Bloomberg.

If Republicans were to nominate Mr. Trump or Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, a hard-line conservative, and Democrats were to pick Mr. Sanders, Mr. Bloomberg — who changed his party affiliation to independent in 2007 — has told allies he would be likely to run.

Edward G. Rendell, the former governor of Pennsylvania and a past Democratic National Committee chairman, said he believed Mr. Bloomberg could compete in the race if activist candidates on the left and right prevailed in the party primaries.

“Mike Bloomberg for president rests on the not-impossible but somewhat unlikely circumstance of either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz versus Bernie Sanders,” said Mr. Rendell, a close ally of Mrs. Clinton’s who is also a friend of Mr. Bloomberg’s. “If Hillary wins the nomination, Hillary is mainstream enough that Mike would have no chance, and Mike’s not going to go on a suicide mission.”

In a three-way race featuring Mr. Sanders and Mr. Bloomberg, Mr. Rendell said he might back the moderate former New York mayor.

“As a lifelong Democrat, as a former party chairman, it would be very hard for me to do that,” he said. “But I would certainly take a look at it — absolutely.”

Mr. Bloomberg declined to comment on his interest in the 2016 race, and most of his associates would speak only on the condition that they not be named. Mr. Bloomberg is irked by the perception that he has toyed too often with running for national office, according to several associates, and is said to be wary of another public flirtation.

At the same time, these associates said, he has grown more frustrated with what he sees a race gone haywire. A longtime critic of partisan primary elections, Mr. Bloomberg has lamented what he considers Mrs. Clinton’s lurch to the left in her contest against Mr. Sanders, especially her criticism of charter schools and other education reforms that he pushed as mayor and has continued to support since leaving office.

At a dinner party late last fall at the home of Roger C. Altman, an investment banker and former deputy Treasury secretary, Mr. Bloomberg delivered a piquant assessment of Mrs. Clinton as a presidential candidate.

In the presence of Mr. Altman, a longtime supporter of Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, Mr. Bloomberg described her as a flawed politician, shadowed by questions about her honesty and the continuing investigation into her email practices as secretary of state, according to two people in attendance.

The outcome of that investigation, Mr. Bloomberg said, was anyone’s guess.

Setting a March deadline for making a decision allows Mr. Bloomberg to see how Mrs. Clinton and the more mainstream Republican candidates fare in the early primaries. And because of his vast wealth, there is no downside in laying the groundwork for a possible campaign, even if he ultimately decides against it.

Even a victory by Mrs. Clinton in the Democratic primaries might not preclude a bid by Mr. Bloomberg, his associates said, if he believed she had been gravely weakened by the contest.

Mr. Bloomberg has maintained a constructive relationship with the Clintons over the years, working closely with Mrs. Clinton during her tenure in the Senate and at one point even suggesting that she run to succeed him as mayor.

One adviser said that Mr. Bloomberg’s preparations reflected the unsettled state of the race, and the perception that Mrs. Clinton was flagging against Mr. Sanders.

Mr. Bloomberg, this adviser said, believes voters want “a nonideological, bipartisan, results-oriented vision” that the early primary favorites have not presented.

“This isn’t about Hillary Clinton,” the adviser said in an email. “The fact is Hillary Clinton is behind in Iowa and New Hampshire. That should scare a lot of people — and it does.” (Public polls have shown Mr. Sanders leading in New Hampshire, a close race in Iowa and Mrs. Clinton with a solid lead nationally.)

Since the 2012 election, Mr. Bloomberg has repeatedly mused at private events about Mitt Romney's presidential campaign as a cautionary tale for candidates from the business world. Mr. Romney assembled an impressive record as a private equity investor before serving as governor of Massachusetts; the Obama campaign branded him as a heartless corporate raider.

Social acquaintances and political and business leaders said they had been surprised to find their encouraging remarks about a possible 2016 campaign answered with intense seriousness by Mr. Bloomberg, who has stressed that he would run if he saw a path to victory.

Mr. Bloomberg's brain trust has examined previous third-party efforts dating to Theodore Roosevelt in 1912, giving closest attention to the campaigns of John Anderson in 1980 and H. Ross Perot in 1992.

It is unclear whether Mr. Bloomberg would be more likely to draw support from a Democrat, like Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Clinton, or a conservative Republican.

While Mr. Bloomberg supports many of the Democratic Party's social policies, he has been a fierce defender of the financial services industry, which is unpopular with many liberals, and put into practice aggressive policing policies in New York City that are anathema to left-leaning voters.

And when he first ran for mayor in 2001, he did so as a Republican. But he has also poured energy and money into advocating policies that conservative Republicans detest, most notably gun control and immigration reform.

Mr. Bloomberg has seen the Mr. Trump's campaign rhetoric on immigration as especially distasteful. But in an interview with ABC News that aired last weekend, Mr. Trump said he would welcome a presidential campaign by Mr. Bloomberg, whom he called "a friend" and "a great guy."

Mr. Bloomberg, he predicted, would "take a lot of votes away from Hillary."

Alan Patricof, a financier and longtime donor to the Clintons who is also friendly with Mr. Bloomberg, said it would be "a terrible thing" for the Democratic Party's prospects of winning the White House if the former mayor ran as an independent.

"If it was President Trump or President Bloomberg, I'd certainly rather have President Bloomberg," Mr. Patricof said. "But it certainly can't help the Democrats."

Some Republicans are less certain of the effect Mr. Bloomberg would have on the race. In swing states like Ohio and Virginia, suburban moderates who recoil from certain liberal policies might be more likely to support Mr. Bloomberg than a candidate like Mr. Trump or Mr. Cruz.

Representative Daniel M. Donovan Jr., a New York Republican who is a friend and golfing partner of Mr. Bloomberg's, said that many voters "who aren't totally satisfied with any of the people who are running right now, would welcome a Mike Bloomberg candidacy."

Mr. Donovan said he could consider supporting Mr. Bloomberg, depending on how the rest of the race develops.

"He governed more in pragmatic ways than in ideals," Mr. Donovan said, adding, "That may be different from some of the folks, like Senator Cruz, who are apparently doing well among primary voters."
 
Bloomberg was once a Republican, but a "Rockefeller" Republican as they were once known as: conservative only on fiscal matters, and quite liberal socially. He will steal far more votes from the Democrats than he will from the Republicans. With the centrist and left vote split, it will hand the Republicans the presidency, based on a plurality rather than a majority.
 
There is yet to be a poll done that shows Hillary or Sanders gaining any credibility with the Republican voters. Please go ahead and post one if u can. Not particularly interested in ur opinion though

You don't need polls when you can find articles yourself of Sander's rising popularity within Republican voters and conservatives. Its not an opinion....lol
 
[MENTION=137535]anuk[/MENTION] please don't say things that are factually incorrect. Trump isn't going to win over many Democrats.

Trump is extraordinarily unpopular with independent voters and Democrats. Gallup*polling*conducted over the past six weeks found Trump with a -27-percentage-point net favorability rating among independent voters, and a -70-point net rating among Democrats; both marks are easily the worst in the GOP field.
 
Trump leading Cruz in Iowa in recent polls, still the christain conservative vote bank is hard to beat considering in the last 2 primaries they handed the win to Santorum and Huckabee, both darlings of the christian evangelicals. In any case, it will be exciting.

If Trump wins Iowa than it may be all over for the rest. I doubt he will get beat in New Hampshire and South Carolina and after that he will be pretty much unstoppable.

If Cruz wins Iowa and Trump comes second than Trump may still win NH and S.Carolina and the two of them will compete in the big state primaries and it could be anyones game.

If Rubio comes a close third in Iowa after Trump and Cruz and a close second in NH after Trump. He will get all the establishment power and money behind him and it will be a one on one between him and Trump or Cruz depending on who wins Iowa and S Carolina.

If Cruz wins Iowa by a wide margin and slides in a close second in NH. Even if S Carolina goes to Trump, he will become the favorite as his ground game in big states is very solid.

All in all, Trump, Cruz and Rubio are the ones to watch. Momentum is with Trump but his ground game in Iowa is not as solid as Cruz. It will be a very interesting Monday night.
 
Trump leading Cruz in Iowa in recent polls, still the christain conservative vote bank is hard to beat considering in the last 2 primaries they handed the win to Santorum and Huckabee, both darlings of the christian evangelicals. In any case, it will be exciting.

If Trump wins Iowa than it may be all over for the rest. I doubt he will get beat in New Hampshire and South Carolina and after that he will be pretty much unstoppable.

If Cruz wins Iowa and Trump comes second than Trump may still win NH and S.Carolina and the two of them will compete in the big state primaries and it could be anyones game.

If Rubio comes a close third in Iowa after Trump and Cruz and a close second in NH after Trump. He will get all the establishment power and money behind him and it will be a one on one between him and Trump or Cruz depending on who wins Iowa and S Carolina.

If Cruz wins Iowa by a wide margin and slides in a close second in NH. Even if S Carolina goes to Trump, he will become the favorite as his ground game in big states is very solid.

All in all, Trump, Cruz and Rubio are the ones to watch. Momentum is with Trump but his ground game in Iowa is not as solid as Cruz. It will be a very interesting Monday night.

Best post in the thread.
 
Ted Cruz declared winner in Iowa. Bernie running neck to neck with Hillary.

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Marco Rubio did better than expected. Expect all the establishment support to go to him after Iowa (a fairly big chuck).

Seems to me we're in a three-way race: Cruz v. Trump v. Rubio.
 
Can anyone explain how this electoral process works? Whats so important about these caucuses and what do the number of delegates have to do with it?
 
Trump suddenly doesn't seem as invincible. If he'd won Iowa this race would be over. But now Cruz emerges as the alternative conservative anti-establishment candidate and the GOP establishment will be pleased by Rubio's close third - expect the major donors to galvanise around Rubio now.

Clinton and Sanders tied. If you told Clinton she'd be tying with Bernie Sanders in Iowa six months ago she'd be hugely disappointed. Again it seems Clinton is being brought down from the left - we saw it in 2008 with Obama.

However Iowa is Iowa, you have a strong Christian evangelical base there and is not always representative, after all Huckabee and Santorum have won Iowa in the past.
 
Can anyone explain how this electoral process works? Whats so important about these caucuses and what do the number of delegates have to do with it?

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Republicans will send 2,472 delegates to their national convention. To win the nomination, a candidate must get the support of 1,236 delegates.

Democrats will send 4,763 delegates to their convention, with 2,382 needed for nomination.
 
So Trump got beat by a Canadian born Cuban.

So much for his anti-immigrant agenda :))
 
So Trump got beat by a Canadian born Cuban.

So much for his anti-immigrant agenda :))

You think Ted Cruz is not anti-immigrant? In practice, probably as much as Donald Trump.
 
You think Ted Cruz is not anti-immigrant? In practice, probably as much as Donald Trump.

they are all anti-immigration. The Americans do not want any more immigrants coming to their country... and all these candidates know that.
 
they are all anti-immigration. The Americans do not want any more immigrants coming to their country... and all these candidates know that.

What Americans are you referring to? Certainly not the majority.
 
What Americans are you referring to? Certainly not the majority.


I am talking about the average American.. Not me.. If you don't believe me fine by me. But that's the truth.

It's quite natural for people to dislike influx of outsiders into their country
 
I am talking about the average American.. Not me.. If you don't believe me fine by me. But that's the truth.

It's quite natural for people to dislike influx of outsiders into their country

I forgot who I was talking to. How dare I challenge your truthiness.
 
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I will let you disentangle that thought. http://www.gallup.com/poll/184529/support-increased-immigration.aspx

Majority of Americans (65%) prefer keeping immigration at the same level, or support an increase in immigration.

O bhai meray ghor se parh lia karo.

Go and read the whole thing again. This was an oversampled survey, they included more minorities than your average white american. Of course the results are going to be skewed.

Look, its not rocket science, I dont understand why you think its not accurate but majority of americans are whites and the majority DOES NOT WANT IMMIGRANTS, illegal or legal.

Hispanics are always pro immigration because they want their ethnicity to grow in the US, southern states used to belong to Mexico anyway and the general consensus amongst latinos is "WE WANT OUR LAND BACK" ...

Besides, as so many people have already said, it is quite a natural sentiment for people to not want foreign influx into their countries.
 
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