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Asad Shafiq really made a fool out of the selectors that left him out of the T20 squad, guided his team to victory with an inning of 71(64), it was also against a good bowling line-up
 
To be honest, I would not consider him for the 20/20s. He is a good solid middle-order batsmen in ODIs & Tests. He is not a good hitter of the cricket ball in 20/20.
 
Can't we replace the injured Jamshed with Shafiq for the T20 squad? :(
 
HashimAmlaFan said:
I don't think it's a good option. I reckon Awais Zia to make to the XI. Haven't made any impacts yet, but looks quite good while batting. And also a good slogger.
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Awais Zia is a miss and a hit player
If Shafiq gets it right can be a brilliant player for us
Should play at 3.
Remember it won't be wise to just put sloggers in the team, we need an anchor in the middle order and shafiq could provide just that
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Awais Zia is a miss and a hit player
If Shafiq gets it right can be a brilliant player for us
Should play at 3.
Remember it won't be wise to just put sloggers in the team, we need an anchor in the middle order and shafiq could provide just that
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That's also true.
 
Brilliant knock from Asad Shafiq today. Remained so calm and took the match away from the Greens. Simply amazing!
 
Asad Shafiq - Fan Club!

You are right!

This thread is to support the inclusion of a talented young lad in our team. Asad Shafiq performed tremendously in 2011 World Cup. His model is the Pakistani legend 'Muhammad Yousuf' and his playstyle closely resembles his model.
He has been unfortunate not to be an integral part of the squad as his performances have been overshadowed by Umar Akmal.

This thread is dedicated to Asad Shafiq 'the little master' of Pakistan. We want Asad Shafiq to be preferred over the irresponsible Umar Akmal. http://www.oneclicksports.co.uk/
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Played very well today but Umar Akmal is younger and is a much better batsman. Your all talking about Shafiq's stats compared to Umar's in test cricket. Lets take out Shafiq's only ton against Bangladesh and see where his stats go there.

Umar has played in the toughest conditions where legends of the game have struggled and despite that Shafiq & Umar's records are still similar.

Umar & Shafiq both played during the WI test series. Umar completely outperformed Shafiq. Umar averaged 42 whilst Shafiq averaged around 10. Umar was dropped, Shafiq was kept.
 
Umar came in as replacement, Shafiq was the ready pick. Shafiq won us the match against England with Azhar, did well today
 
truthseer said:
Umar came in as replacement, Shafiq was the ready pick. Shafiq won us the match against England with Azhar, did well today
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Even if Umar came in as a replacement, he still outperformed Shafiq by a massive margin! Umar actually outperformed ALL batsman bar the captain.

& you cannot really compare the two when Umar wasn't playing in that England game. The only time you can compare them is when they play in the same game(conditions, match situation etc). They have played together and Umar out performed him by a huge margin.
 
let's see how safiq does in sa he has a problem against the short ball so i rather play umar in sa.
 
not a fair thread really....
it gives message that if you like asad then you have to hate umar.....illogical
 
truthseer said:
Umar came in as replacement, Shafiq was the ready pick. Shafiq won us the match against England with Azhar, did well today
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then it was a mistake that a replacement out performed a regular.....
it only questions the credibility of selectors then..
 
real big fan of this guy. he has good shot selection, except for that last one. but if he keeps up he will be as good as anyone else in the team
 
Im big fan of Assad Shafiq.Really like his composure at crease.Very calm and laid back, never gives an impression of being under pressure. I think the best thing about AS is he understand his game and his role very well unlike many other Pakistani batsmen.

He has decent technique and is temperamentally good as well. But i feel he lacks the hunger, the desire to make it big. After scoring a fifty, he relaxes and throws away the good start. As a test specialist batsman the criminal. Its even greater crime considering that he plays for Pak and bats at no 6 . He needs to start converting lovely 30s and 40s into big hundreds.

He also needs to improve his batting against the faster bowlers. Playing swing and seam is his weaker link. He need to be better or he will struggles against better bowlers. South Africa tour will be is real test as a batman.

Pakistan should give Assad a good run in the team. He surely belong to test level. Has a bright future but needs to work hard.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Played very well today but Umar Akmal is younger and is a much better batsman. Your all talking about Shafiq's stats compared to Umar's in test cricket. Lets take out Shafiq's only ton against Bangladesh and see where his stats go there.

Umar has played in the toughest conditions where legends of the game have struggled and despite that Shafiq & Umar's records are still similar.

Umar & Shafiq both played during the WI test series. Umar completely outperformed Shafiq. Umar averaged 42 whilst Shafiq averaged around 10. Umar was dropped, Shafiq was kept.
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Actually, Asad was dropped and Umar Akmal was given one more match (against Zimbabwe).

Umar Akmal has 1 hundred and 6 fifties in 30 innings, whereas Asad Shafiq has 1 hundred and 5 fifties and 21 innings.

Also, not to forget, Asad Shafiq has played some gutsy, fighting knocks under pressure.

Umar Akmal hasn't really done much in his Test career so far. Did well against New Zealand and West Indies. That's about it.

Asad Shafiq has only flopped against West Indies in West Indies. Did well against South Africa, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Wasn't too bad against New Zealand and England - played a couple of crucial knocks against them.

You can't really say that Asad Shafiq would fail to perform well in Australia and England like Umar Akmal until you have seen him play there.
 
Asad does not have potential to play in pressure. He only performs where we have completely lost the game or we are too close for winning any game.
Umar akmal is way good batsment compared to asad shafiq however his averages maybe same as asad but he has win matches for pakistan through his batting.
To be honest asad is an average and mediocre batsmen.
The Player who cannot win matches for his country is not a world class player in my view. And unfortunately asad lies in that category.
(This is my personal obversation)!!!!!
 
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Shaquille said:
You are right!

This thread is to support the inclusion of a talented young lad in our team. Asad Shafiq performed tremendously in 2011 World Cup. His model is the Pakistani legend 'Muhammad Yousuf' and his playstyle closely resembles his model.
He has been unfortunate not to be an integral part of the squad as his performances have been overshadowed by Umar Akmal.

This thread is dedicated to Asad Shafiq 'the little master' of Pakistan. We want Asad Shafiq to be preferred over the irresponsible Umar Akmal. http://www.oneclicksports.co.uk/

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Negative thread. Why you have to bring Umar Akmal in this thread?
 
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pakcricketfan said:
Actually, Asad was dropped and Umar Akmal was given one more match (against Zimbabwe).

Umar Akmal has 1 hundred and 6 fifties in 30 innings, whereas Asad Shafiq has 1 hundred and 5 fifties and 21 innings.

Also, not to forget, Asad Shafiq has played some gutsy, fighting knocks under pressure.

Umar Akmal hasn't really done much in his Test career so far. Did well against New Zealand and West Indies. That's about it.

Asad Shafiq has only flopped against West Indies in West Indies. Did well against South Africa, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Wasn't too bad against New Zealand and England - played a couple of crucial knocks against them.

You can't really say that Asad Shafiq would fail to perform well in Australia and England like Umar Akmal until you have seen him play there.
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now this is ridiculous ..distortion of facts...
i admire both..but there is clearly exaggeration of shafiq's achievements and undermining of akmal's success

yes shafiq has 15 games and umar has 16..

shafiq did fair against a bondless newzealand where as umar was exceptional against bond too..

umar has not done much and shafiq has won the player of the year award:facepalm:

asad only flopped in weatindies ...remember it was only time he had some challenge outside asian pitches

if shafiq only flopped in westindies against sammy and co then umar also did not so well only in england against a superior attack in tough conditions but still was our second best bat and played his part in the oval win against england when he ran himself out on 36 and was left with aamir to achieve target so good by our standards..

umar did not fail in australia ..if shafiq's 40's are considered 400's then what about umar's 49 and 49 in difficult sydney wicket where he was left with gul..umar also averages 37 against australia in australia in odi's too...by asad shafiq and your standards it was not bad..

umar has succeeded getting runs in different conditions
umar has played only one innings on low slow tracks where as shafiq mostly played on these

we can say that he might flop because he flopped in westindies only time he faced real challenge outside asian tracks..though we should wish for the best

if shafiq gets 40's he is the champion and if akmal gets 40's he plays for himself :facepalm:
umar is called selfish but if shafiq gets 25 off 100 when pakistan look to declare to challenge srilanka he is not called selfish:facepalm:
 
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The comparisons you guys give, counting only matches involving Umar Akmal, is the same yardstick with which BZ argued Malik was better than Azhar Ali
 
adi_6294 said:
Asad does not have potential to play in pressure. He only performs where we have completely lost the game or we are too close for winning any game.
Umar akmal is way good batsment compared to asad shafiq however his averages maybe same as asad but he has win matches for pakistan through his batting.
To be honest asad is an average and mediocre batsmen.
The Player who cannot win matches for his country is not a world class player in my view. And unfortunately asad lies in that category.
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SO today wasn't a pressure situation? also If Shafiq is a mediocre batsman than i wish we get a few more mediocre batsman in our team
 
let me repeat
liking asad should not mean disliking umar and liking umar should not mean disliking of asad..
but it is so which is unfortunate
 
adi_6294 said:
Asad does not have potential to play in pressure. He only performs where we have completely lost the game or we are too close for winning any game.
Umar akmal is way good batsment compared to asad shafiq however his averages maybe same as asad but he has win matches for pakistan through his batting.
To be honest asad is an average and mediocre batsmen.
The Player who cannot win matches for his country is not a world class player in my view. And unfortunately asad lies in that category.
(This is my personal obversation)!!!!!
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You should have observed these matches:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/531629.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/531630.html
 
waqar goraya said:
now this is ridiculous ..distortion of facts...
i admire both..but there is clearly exaggeration of shafiq's achievements and undermining of akmal's success

yes shafiq has 15 games and umar has 16..

shafiq did fair against a bondless newzealand where as umar was exceptional against bond too..

umar has not done much and shafiq has won the player of the year award:facepalm:

asad only flopped in weatindies ...remember it was only time he had some challenge outside asian pitches

if shafiq only flopped in westindies against sammy and co then umar also did not so well only in england against a superior attack in tough conditions but still was our second best bat and played his part in the oval win against england when he ran himself out on 36 and was left with aamir to achieve target so good by our standards..

umar did not fail in australia ..if shafiq's 40's are considered 400's then what about umar's 49 and 49 in difficult sydney wicket where he was left with gul..umar also averages 37 against australia in australia in odi's too...by asad shafiq and your standards it was not bad..

umar has succeeded getting runs in different conditions
umar has played only one innings on low slow tracks where as shafiq mostly played on these

we can say that he might flop because he flopped in westindies only time he faced real challenge outside asian tracks..though we should wish for the best

if shafiq gets 40's he is the champion and if akmal gets 40's he plays for himself :facepalm:
umar is called selfish but if shafiq gets 25 off 100 when pakistan look to declare to challenge srilanka he is not called selfish:facepalm:
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Where/when did I say that Asad Shafiq is a champion and Umar Akmal plays for himself? :20:

Where's the exaggeration? I posted facts. You clearly did not understand my point. It was in response to Bullet Drive's post anyway.

It's not me, but some of you guys who are undermining not Umar's but Asad's performances by saying that he's done well because he's played on Asian pitches - only taking the conditions into account, and conveniently ignoring the situations.

Saying that Umar Akmal is a better batsman than Asad Shafiq because Asad hasn't played in as tough conditions as Umar Akmal is quite illogical to be honest. May be I would have agreed with it had Umar Akmal scored tons of runs in those tough conditions. Since he hasn't done that, we must reserve our judgments until we see Asad Shafiq batting in places like England and Australia.


P.S It would be easier to read and understand your posts if you use punctuation. Thanks.
 
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Really don't get these retards. Why do they feel the need to bash Umar Akmal?
 
pakcricketfan said:
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Where/when did I say that Asad Shafiq is a champion and Umar Akmal plays for himself? :20:

Where's the exaggeration? I posted facts. You clearly did not understand my point. It was in response to Bullet Drive's post anyway.

It's not me, but some of you guys who are undermining not Umar's but Asad's performances by saying that he's done well because he's played on Asian pitches - only taking the conditions into account, and conveniently ignoring the situations.

Saying that Umar Akmal is a better batsman than Asad Shafiq because Asad hasn't played in as tough conditions as Umar Akmal is quite illogical to be honest. May be I would have agreed with it had Umar Akmal scored tons of runs in those tough conditions. Since he hasn't done that, we must reserve our judgments until we see Asad Shafiq batting in places like England and Australia.


P.S It would be easier to read and understand your posts if you use punctuation. Thanks.
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because you said that umar did nothing ...you said he did well in only newzealand and weatindies ..i said he also did well in australia by our low standards..
exaggeration was that akmal's 49 and 49 in sydney test was failure but shafiq's 40's are special against england

as you agree he did well in westindies ..then why he was dropped

shafiq's success example you give is the 40's of shafiq against england.. but i say it was nothing special...it is because of conditions..english could not play our spinners at all thats why shafiq's 40's look like 400..

umar has not scored tons in difficult conditions then shafiq has not also scored in easier conditions..so why asad is better??

i would have agreed had shafiq even scored more than umar's in easier conditions..has shafiq scored more than akmal's in easier conditions...so why asad better??

some of you guys saying that shafiq is a better than umar is also illogical when both have played in altogether different conditions against different opposition..i am also saying that if umar us not better than him then shafiq has not done anything extra to be called the best.

these were not facts because if shafiq has only failed in windies then umar has also only failed in england against more tougher opposition
 
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pakcricketfan said:
Actually, Asad was dropped and Umar Akmal was given one more match (against Zimbabwe).

Umar Akmal has 1 hundred and 6 fifties in 30 innings, whereas Asad Shafiq has 1 hundred and 5 fifties and 21 innings.

Also, not to forget, Asad Shafiq has played some gutsy, fighting knocks under pressure.

Umar Akmal hasn't really done much in his Test career so far. Did well against New Zealand and West Indies. That's about it.

Asad Shafiq has only flopped against West Indies in West Indies. Did well against South Africa, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Wasn't too bad against New Zealand and England - played a couple of crucial knocks against them.

You can't really say that Asad Shafiq would fail to perform well in Australia and England like Umar Akmal until you have seen him play there.
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On that West Indies tour. Shafiq made 42 in one innings and 6 runs in the next 3 innings. That's very poor.

If you watched that Zimbabwe test match you'll see the way he got out. It was the most freakish dismissal you'll see and it wasn't down to Umar. He played a decent shot but was very very unlucky. Here is the cricinfo commentary on his last test innings:

Lamb to Umar Akmal, OUT, that is a quite bizarre dismissal, short ball pulled straight in to forward short leg's shoulder, and it pops up to Taylor at leg gully, who holds on to the rebound, Umar cannot believe his wretched luck, shades of Tendulkar getting out against Australia, Mumbai 2001
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Now you bring up the milestones of each player. Umar has ALL his 50+ scores in alien conditions abroad. They were ALL made in tough conditions when the rest of the batting line up failed. They were all made in AUS/NZ/ENG. Umar scored all his 50's in situations where the rest of the team hasn't scored whereas Shafiq's only worthy score is against Bangladesh where Younis scored a double hundred. No pressure really. Shafiq on the other hand has 4 of his 5 50+ scores in conditions similar to home, all in the sub-continent where batting is a lot lot easier. Umar has only 1 innings in the sub-continent.

Now your talking about Shafiq and doing well against Sri Lanka? Well I agree today's knock was good however I do remember one very very selfish knock from Asad Shafiq where he played for him self and just never thought of the team. Pakistan were batting well and we were on course to win the game. We needed a few quick runs towards the end of the innings. Shafiq had other ideas as he played for his not out. Have a look:

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A SR of 27 is unacceptable on a pitch which had literally no movement. No spin and nothing. 2 batsman that game scored double hundreds and Shafiq only managed 27 runs at a SR of 27! Imagine Umar in that situation?

Also Shafiq has a big big problem against the short ball. He was severely troubled by Bangladesh trundlers on the flattest of wickets.

Shahadat Hossain to Asad Shafiq, no run, close call! Brave shot to attempt when on 97, he's tempted into another hook off a short ball, very close to his glove and Rahim and the bowler seem confident, snicko didn't show an edge
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Shahadat Hossain to Asad Shafiq, no run, another short ball and he tries to pull him but he plays too early and the ball hits him on the helmet, no damage done and he's fine
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Shahadat Hossain to Asad Shafiq, 2 runs, Dropped That ought to have been taken, Shafiq miscues a hook off a rising delivery, Rubel ran forward from fine leg, got under it but fluffed it on the fall
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Shahadat Hossain to Asad Shafiq, 1 run, Shafiq is tempted into another hook, miscued and fine leg is again a bit too fine to take it, he runs to his right and takes it on the bounce
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i get the feeling that some one older from us has created second username to have some fun...

after posting he has vanished ..

so be united and back them both..

hopefully sanity will prevail..
 
Shahadat Hossain to Asad Shafiq, no run, close call! Brave shot to attempt when on 97, he's tempted into another hook off a short ball, very close to his glove and Rahim and the bowler seem confident, snicko didn't show an edge
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I'd take that score
 
Both Shafiq and Azhar are key to Pakistan Test batting future. Both have sane head on them and are keen to fight it out.

Early days, would like to see them get a season in County Cricket.
 
waqar goraya said:
because you said that umar did nothing ...you said he did well in only newzealand and weatindies ..i said he also did well in australia by our low standards..
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There is a difference between "Umar Akmal hasn't done much", and "Umar Akmal has done nothing."

waqar goraya said:
exaggeration was that akmal's 49 and 49 in sydney test was failure but shafiq's 40's are special against england
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He averages 25.50 vs Australia - how special is that! :yk Even 33.3 is not special, but yes, I get it. Akmal did play a couple of good knocks in Australia.

waqar goraya said:
as you agree he did well in westindies ..then why he was dropped
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That was a temporary recall. He got to play in the West Indies only because Younis Khan wasn't available.

Then Pakistan toured Zimbabwe. Asad was dropped and Umar Akmal was retained. Then we had Asad back because he was a regular - can't drop him altogether because of one bad series - before Windies, Asad hadn't done bad. Even after that, he hasn't.

waqar goraya said:
shafiq's success example you give is the 40's of shafiq against but i say it was nothing special...it is because of conditions..english could not play our spinners at all thats why shafiq's 40's look like 400..
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Couldn't get any better than that. :))

Look at the situation where he scored those 40s and look how valuable they turned out to be in the end. Look at how the rest of the batting lineup did. Don't judge by the number of runs he has scored, judge by the situation - then you would understand whether those 40s were valuable for the team.

Even Misbah had stated that without Asad and Azhar's good batting, the victory would not have been possible.

waqar goraya said:
umar has not scored tons in difficult conditions then shafiq has not also scored in easier conditions..so why asad is better??
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If I dispute your claim that Umar Akmal a better batsman than Shafiq, does that mean I'm saying that Asad Shafiq is a better batsman than Umar? :13:

Also, it's not only about the stats. It's also about how they play - their batting style, fighting spirit and above all, their temperament.

waqar goraya said:
i would have agreed had shafiq even scored more than umar's in easier conditions..has shafiq scored more than akmal's in easier conditions...so why asad better??
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Umar Akmal has batted in 30 innings, Asad Shafiq in 21. That's a difference of NINE innings. (And I have already mentioned the number of centuries and half centuries each of them has scored in one of my posts above).

waqar goraya said:
some of you guys saying that shafiq is a better than umar is also illogical when both have played in altogether different conditions against different opposition..i am also saying that if umar us not better than him then shafiq has not done anything extra to be called the best.
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NOT even once have I stated Asad Shafiq is the best! Heck, I haven't even said that he is better than Umar Akmal yet in this thread! :facepalm:

I was only arguing against BD's claim that Umar Akmal is better than Asad Shafiq. There is nothing that suggests so!
He said Umar Akmal has played in tough conditions - I said let Asad Shafiq play in those tough conditions and we'll know who's better!
 
SO today wasn't a pressure situation? also If Shafiq is a mediocre batsman than i wish we get a few more mediocre batsman in our team
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You called it pressure situation. Pakistan knew it that they cannot chase this target. Their body language tells you whole story...
Asad just played the innings. You cannot call it the best inning or worldclass inning. Because it is of no use....
 
You need to score big..inorder to be called as world class batsmen...
40s and 50s never going to make you good player...
 
Bullet Drive said:
On that West Indies tour. Shafiq made 42 in one innings and 6 runs in the next 3 innings. That's very poor.

If you watched that Zimbabwe test match you'll see the way he got out. It was the most freakish dismissal you'll see and it wasn't down to Umar. He played a decent shot but was very very unlucky. Here is the cricinfo commentary on his last test innings:



Now you bring up the milestones of each player. Umar has ALL his 50+ scores in alien conditions abroad. They were ALL made in tough conditions when the rest of the batting line up failed. They were all made in AUS/NZ/ENG. Umar scored all his 50's in situations where the rest of the team hasn't scored whereas Shafiq's only worthy score is against Bangladesh where Younis scored a double hundred. No pressure really. Shafiq on the other hand has 4 of his 5 50+ scores in conditions similar to home, all in the sub-continent where batting is a lot lot easier. Umar has only 1 innings in the sub-continent.

Now your talking about Shafiq and doing well against Sri Lanka? Well I agree today's knock was good however I do remember one very very selfish knock from Asad Shafiq where he played for him self and just never thought of the team. Pakistan were batting well and we were on course to win the game. We needed a few quick runs towards the end of the innings. Shafiq had other ideas as he played for his not out. Have a look:

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A SR of 27 is unacceptable on a pitch which had literally no movement. No spin and nothing. 2 batsman that game scored double hundreds and Shafiq only managed 27 runs at a SR of 27! Imagine Umar in that situation?

Also Shafiq has a big big problem against the short ball. He was severely troubled by Bangladesh trundlers on the flattest of wickets.
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BD,

It's not Asad's fault that he has not yet played in England and Australia like Umar Akmal. Once he goes there and bats, only then we can tell who's better!

How can you say Umar Akmal is better than Asad based on the fact that Umar has had his 50+ scores in NZ and Aus? You are yet to see Asad bat in those conditions! There's no comparison at the moment.

As for Shafiq's only worthy score being the hundred against Bangladesh - no it's not. His knocks against England, and one against NZ were more valuable than that 100. It's not always about the amount of runs someone has scored, but also about how his scores have helped the team. Scoring 40 odd is not something extraordinary - and wouldn't be counted as a big knock. But look at the time it came - look at the situation - look how valuable it proved to be!

Asad haverages 47.00 against Sri Lanka. Is that not good? :13:

Regarding that particular knock against Sri Lanka, if I'm not wrong, Misbah the captain was batting with Shafiq in that innings. And it was Misbah and the team management's decision to go for a draw, instead of a win. (You can also check Misbah's comments on this issue). Don't blame it on Asad.

Also some of you guys are forgetting that batting in the UAE is not always a walk in the park. Remember we were all out for 100 in the UAE.

Also I never said Asad is perfect. He does have shortcomings, and so does Umar Akmal.

I really fail to understand why Asad's performances are being undermined like that. :| You can make a case for Umar Akmal's selection in Tests without undermining Asad, you know.
 
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nothing or much means he deserved to be dropped but i believe he was dropped unfairly after good windies tour..

thank you for agreeing that akmal did not flopped in australia..

he was in the squad ..was not called as a replacement...so should have not been dropped from the squad..if you can not drop asad for one bad series then how can you drop umar even from the squad after one bad innings in which he got out in a bizarre way...if asad performed ok after that ,you can not predict that umar would have flopped in the coming matches either..who knows he would have scored even more than asad.....so it was unjust to drop akmal altogether at that point of time..

could have got better,,,40's are no where a special effort...remember after getting to 50 he threw his wicket away...if azhar and younis can get centuries then why he could not..now this is funny .umar could have also scored those 40's.....umar also scored good runs against westindies and australia ...and even against england in the oval match...but asad's 40's could have not been better but umar's were not good enough..umar has also been the alone survival many times

it remains a fact that asad played only on asian pitches whether you accept or not...and akmal has not played is a fact..

now you are rating asad's 80 against bondless newzealand special but what about umar's debut against bond

and some points are mentioned just for general public..

asad has scored almost similar to umar in easier conditions against easier opposition...srilankan and bangadeshi bowling is the poorest in the world...so there is more chance of scoring less than umar in little tougher conditions.....


yeah this is all i wanted to say that wait till both play together ..then it will be all clear ..there will be no need of arguments then...
 
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pakcricketfan said:
BD,

It's not Asad's fault that he has not yet played in England and Australia like Umar Akmal. Once he goes there and bats, only then we can tell who's better!

How can you say Umar Akmal is better than Asad based on the fact that Umar has had his 50+ scores in NZ and Aus? You are yet to see Asad bat in those conditions! There's no comparison at the moment.

As for Shafiq's only worthy score being the hundred against Bangladesh - no it's not. His knocks against England, and one against NZ were more valuable than that 100. It's not always about the amount of runs someone has scored, but also about how his scores have helped the team. Scoring 40 odd is not something extraordinary - and wouldn't be counted as a big knock. But look at the time it came - look at the situation - look how valuable it proved to be!

Asad haverages 47.00 against Sri Lanka. Is that not good? :13:

Regarding that particular knock against Sri Lanka, if I'm not wrong, Misbah the captain was batting with Shafiq in that innings. And it was Misbah and the team management's decision to go for a draw, instead of a win. (You can also check Misbah's comments on this issue). Don't blame it on Asad.

Also some of you guys are forgetting that batting in the UAE is not always a walk in the park. Remember we were all out for 100 in the UAE.

Also I never said Asad is perfect. He does have shortcomings, and so does Umar Akmal.

I really fail to understand why Asad's performances are being undermined like that. :| You can make a case for Umar Akmal's selection in Tests without undermining Asad, you know.
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Yes its not Asad's fault he hasn't played in AUS/ENG but what I'm trying to say is Umar has played most of his test career in in tough conditions therefore his average will be on the lower side compared to a Shafiq who has had most of his innings on similar tracks to what we have at home(sub continent). Umar has played all his cricket in AUS/ENG/NZ/WI and only one test innings on a sub-continent pitch.

Also, I have seen Asad bat in New Zealand. He actually batted pretty well there. I remember him making a 80 odd I think it was but he didn't have much success after that. After that 83 he scored a duck and a 24(85 balls) which shows he's not so consistent.

I've also just realised that if you take the minnow out of Asad's stats. He only averages 30 in test cricket. That's very very poor in my view. His only test ton has come against Bangladesh. 1 ton in 21 innings. 5 50's in 21 innings is a poor conversion rate too but I do feel he'll improve on this in time.

Also that knock we were going for a win actually. It was the 3rd innings of the game and Asad played that extremely selfish knock. We were in need of quick runs and he batted a 100 balls for just 28. If we were going for a draw why would we declare and why would we send Umar Gul in to attack? We were in the 3rd innings and were getting ready to bowl SL out.
 
Asad has the makings of a class player, he has this ability to score under pressure, just needs to score bigger. He made 43 in partnership with Azhar to allow Pakistan to set England a target and bowl them for 72. In the first innings of that same test he came in when Pakistan were in trouble, 4 down for around 100 and made a vital partnership with Misbah scoring 58. Again in 3rd test he made 45 out of 99 to keep Pakistan above 50 all out.

Think about it, since Younis debut v few good batsmen have come in for Pakistan in tests, and almost none have been able to handle pressure. We should be excited about what Azhar Ali and Shafiq have to offer, both have proven they can play under pressure. Shafiq is a very stylish batsman, some shots he plays remind me of Tendulkar.
 
Im a huge Asad fan and also an Umar Akmal fan. Asad is definitely more superior than Akmal in test matches and you can expect him to play under pressure. He needs to come in at number 3 in ODIs.
 
Asad Shafiq is a king with the bat :bow:

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people questioning his conversation rate seems to have forgotten that Azhar too had the same problem early in his career.
 
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What are your thoughts on Asad Shafiq?
As a Test player i rate him highly, he currently plays at the #6 spot, and i think when Misbah retires he will take the #5 spot, Asad Shafiq has 2 centuries and 6 half centuries in 16 matches(24 innings) with an average of 42.57, he could play better if he were up the oder because at number 6 he has to play with Adnan Akmal and the tail enders. Good luck in tests

As a oneday player his reccord is not that great



Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50
ODIs 35 34 3 930 78* 30.0 1332 69.81 0 7

But the truth is also he has not been given a solid chance, his position in oneday should be4 or 5 where he is at 3. He always comes in early at pressure situations where the openers have failed

His t20 thing will be posted later
 
He has the best technique among current lot. I reckon he is the future for the test team but needs to adjust his game in ODI's.
 
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
T20Is 10 10 0 192 38 19.20 185 103.78 0 0 19 2 3 0

Thouhg stats show his t20 is bad, pakistan have not used him well at all, shafiq is no6 in tests but opening in t20's. They did not use his talent well, they did not do justice. I remember in a domestic t20 at no3 or 4 he played a gem of an innings for Karachi Dolphins with a SR above 175
 
So ithink he has a confirmed place in the test side for now as he is playing well, but his odi/t20 place is still under watch
 
Considering all the bottlers he needs to be pushed up the order. He can rotate the strike and pull of the shots.

This tournament will be less about the hitters but more about the manouverers and nudgers. He and Malik can play a crucial role if given a fixed number.
 
Lara400 said:
Considering all the bottlers he needs to be pushed up the order. He can rotate the strike and pull of the shots.

This tournament will be less about the hitters but more about the manouverers and nudgers. He and Malik can play a crucial role if given a fixed number.
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Yes but the captains have not used him well. No justice done
 
Yes the player with almost zero offside game has the best tecnique :facepalm:


I like him as a player but should stick with tests
 
Happy 27th Birthday Asad Shafiq...:)

Just recovered from injury ,had poor first class season and is not in great touch,A New Challenge in a New year awaits him...But this is the time to seal his place in the test side for years, and not for only some matches, by performing well against World's number one side at their own backyard...
 
pakcricketfan said:
BD,


Regarding that particular knock against Sri Lanka, if I'm not wrong, Misbah the captain was batting with Shafiq in that innings. And it was Misbah and the team management's decision to go for a draw, instead of a win. (You can also check Misbah's comments on this issue). Don't blame it on Asad.

Also some of you guys are forgetting that batting in the UAE is not always a walk in the park. Remember we were all out for 100 in the UAE.

Also I never said Asad is perfect. He does have shortcomings, and so does Umar Akmal.

I really fail to understand why Asad's performances are being undermined like that. :| You can make a case for Umar Akmal's selection in Tests without undermining Asad, you know.
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LOL WHAT!!!!!. I know this is ages ago and i support shafiqs inclusion in the team but he was batting with taufeeq in that innings, and as well as playing selfishly he ran out taufeeq, who was trying to get quick runs. Misbah later on defended shafiq but i remember him getting tense in the dugout. Honestly he came out and was on 1 from 30 balls. Plus if misbah was pushing for a draw why was taufeeq playing with such urgency even after getting his double ton. Also biggest give away shafiq was playing for himself: misbah made 40 odd at a strike rate of 87!!!. Honesty think he was pushing for a draw?


Herath to Taufeeq Umar, OUT, Asad Shafiq is a strange man. He is not hitting the shots, he doesn't want the quick singles, and the umpire and coach are waiting to declare. Taufeeq flicks, can't find the gap, wants a single to square leg, Asad is not moving. Taufeeq runs half way down, turns around, puts in a full-length dive, and still makes it only as far as the white line by the time the bails come off. Well done Asad on running Taufeeq out, on refusing a single when as the frsher, younger partner he should be initiating these quick single. and a non-sarcastic well done to Taufeeq Umar. Close to 12 hours in this heat, setting the innings up, seeing Pakistan through to a lead
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I expect him to struggle as he is out of form at the moment and coming after a long gap because of his finger injury.
 
Why does it always has to be Shafiq vs Umar, little disheartning from fans of both players. Shafiq is in SA and I am very confident that he will do veey well, inshallah. Actually I am going to predict that he is going to be in the Top 3 run getter in the Pakistan lineup. Let's wait and see.
 
HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR said:
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Do you know what's funny Hammy, in presidents trophy final, I remember you were bashing umar at only getting 16 in the first innings but then unsurprisingly dissapeared when he made 70 odd in the next innings and ended up highest runscorer in the match. Honestly why is it to like one you must hate the other?
 
Time for AS to silence his doubters . Will he be able to shut em up once in for all. If he is able to score some runs in SA then his place in the test side is pretty much cemented.
 
Still has the next innings and should also have next 2 innings in the next match....:)

Lets see what he has to offer
 
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