The Ashes | 2nd Test | Adelaide | Day 1 | 3/12/10

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So a placid track and bore drawn in the 1st test! 22 wickets taken in total in whole test match and 11 of thos came on day 1!

So will it be same again at adelaide? England likely to be unchanged, Aussies to make 1 or 2 changes? Bolly for MJ, Harris maybe for Hilfy?

Adelaide has always been seen as batsmen friendly and a pretty placid surface, So how will englands 4 man bowling attack cope? and will Aussies change of bowling attack make a difference?
 
Oh my God i thought it will start tommarow Night.

I am not ready to watch the match what to DO!!!!!!!!!
 
If it is a Match thread then its too early to start. Stil 3.4 hours left
 
Another DRAW on the cards. Australian grounds are fast losing their charm as being result oriented Test venues.
 
shukar hai, was getting edgy with the lack of quality cricket!
 
Another DRAW on the cards. Australian grounds are fast losing their charm as being result oriented Test venues.

Man get your facts straight.

2007/8= 6 tests in oz; 5 results
2008/9= 5 tests in oz; 5 results
2009/10= 6 tests in oz; 5 results

I'll bet there's no more than 2 draws out of 5 tests this summer either.
 
I personally believe that today will be a very entertanning day for cricket fans.:manzoor
 
i'm still in shock that the last test ended up being a bore draw especially when it looked so promising for the first three days

that Gabba pitch was supposed to be one of the bounciest, that's how it played when Aus beat Sri Lanka in the last ODI there

so maybe this Adelaide pitch might play completely different to everyone's expectations and we might see a result

not sure what i'm going to do betting wise. I'm leaning towards lumping on England in the 'Win Only - Draw no bet' market

prices for that are

4/5 Aussies
5/4 England

in the Match Odds Market betting is:

11/10 The Draw

5/2 Aussies

3/1 England

i think if the pitch plays really flat the only team who has any chance of taking 20 wickets is England, but a lot will depend on Swann. He has to start firing on all cylinders imo
 
Oh man really don't know what to watch today Ashes or Cleveland vs Miami

I'm just going to watch Lebron get booed and possibly abused first and then switch the channel when I've been satisfied with his humiliation. Couldn't care less about the game other than that, Ashes all the way.
 
I'm still not sure if switching out Hilf is the right thing, particularly on a crunch match like this. But the conditions just won't suit him. But there's also the psychology of it all - dropping one bowler tells England that we weren't happy with the Adelaide performance and we're not afraid to make changes, but changing out two bowlers seems to be a bit of panic and an admission we got the attack totally wrong.

I would stick with Hilf I reckon. I reckon the bigger pressure has to be on Doherty, he needs to be able to turn this ball AND keep the runs down.
 
I'm just going to watch Lebron get booed and possibly abused first and then switch the channel when I've been satisfied with his humiliation. Couldn't care less about the game other than that, Ashes all the way.

What time's the LeBum v Cleveland game?
 
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The Big Picture
England fought back to show character and ended up controlling the first Test, but they must build on their hard-won momentum to deliver more pain to the ailing hosts. Andrew Strauss already holds the urn so he has an important advantage in what has turned into a four-game shootout. The equation is simple: Australia must win more games than England to reclaim the Ashes.
Given the state of the sides, a local victory will be hard work in Adelaide. The back-to-back games mean both outfits will have some weary men, and the bowlers face another back-breaking week on a surface that feels like paradise for the batsmen. At the end of the Gabba Test, Ricky Ponting couldn't help but laugh at England's second innings, which finished at 1 for 517. There wasn't much else he could do after watching his bowlers provide fodder for Alastair Cook, Andrew Strauss and Jonathan Trott.

It is extremely unusual for the hosts to be under such heavy scrutiny so early in a home campaign, but they must discover some sustained form to win some relief. Doug Bollinger and Ryan Harris, the fast bowlers, have been included in the 13-man squad and have been trying to impress in the nets this week. The batting remains unchanged but once again this is an important game for Marcus North, the hit-and-miss batsman, and part-time spinner.

The game here four years ago is still remembered as a nightmare or a magical dream, depending on your allegiance. England entered the final day at 1 for 59, with a lead of 97 and a chance to push for victory. Instead they were rolled by Shane Warne for 129 and Australia sped to a six-wicket victory. England never recovered and the result changed the series.

Form guide
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Australia DLLLW
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Watch out for...
Ricky Ponting was relieved when he was able to leave the Gabba with an unbeaten half-century on Monday. He did enough to show some much-needed form in the Test arena and convince himself he's on target for a huge score. As Australia showed in the first game, they need their captain to fire, and will hope he does it on a ground he loves. Ponting is the leading scorer in Adelaide with 1433 runs, including five centuries and a high of 242, in 14 Tests.
Like Ponting, Kevin Pietersen produced a bright start in Brisbane, with 43 when the conditions were at their toughest on the opening day. Just as he was starting to shine brightly he pushed at Peter Siddle and edged to second slip. Pietersen is desperate for a big contribution and will start at Adelaide sans moustache, which makes him look hungry for runs instead of 1970s fun. The arena is Pietersen's favourite - although that might have changed slightly after his rain rant yesterday - but he has mixed memories from four years ago. He conquered Warne in the first innings with 158, but was bowled trying to sweep on that fateful final day in 2006-07.

Team news
Australia's bowlers are the most nervous groups of players in the country and Mitchell Johnson has already had his card marked unfavourably. Ponting has confirmed Johnson has been dropped from the side after his ineffective performance at the Gabba, with Ryan Harris and Doug Bollinger vying for his place. With a gap of only three days between Tests, the fresh men could provide a huge boost for the already weary side. Expect Bollinger to come in for Johnson, which lengthens Australia's tail, while Ben Hilfenhaus also struggled at the Gabba and will be under pressure from Harris.
Australia (probable) 1 Simon Katich, 2 Shane Watson, 3 Ricky Ponting (capt), 4 Michael Clarke, 5 Michael Hussey, 6 Marcus North, 7 Brad Haddin (wk), 8 Xavier Doherty, 9 Peter Siddle, 10 Ben Hilfenhaus, 11 Doug Bollinger.

England's bowlers also found the Gabba pitch tough work but only injury will force them into a change. Steven Finn showed he could extract some extra bounce out of lifeless surfaces, while Stuart Broad and James Anderson also had bright patches. The key for England is to get something out of their highly-rated spinner Graeme Swann, who struggled in the opening game.

England (probable) 1 Andrew Strauss (capt), 2 Alastair Cook, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Paul Collingwood, 6 Ian Bell, 7 Matt Prior (wk), 8 Stuart Broad, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 James Anderson, 11 Steven Finn.

Pitch and conditions
This will be the first Test in charge for the curator Damian Hough, who has replaced Les Burdett after his four decades at the ground. Hough expects a traditional Adelaide wicket, which means lots of runs and some unpredictable bounce late in the game. "Every year we have been able to produce a sporting pitch," Hough said. "There have been eight results in the last 10 years so I think the characteristics haven't changed." The forecast for the opening day is mostly fine, with a top temperature of 30C, while Saturday's maximum is expected to be 35C.
Stats and trivia
The last time Australia drew at the Gabba, they followed up with a four-wicket defeat in Adelaide. That was against India in 2003-04. England last drew the opening Test of an Ashes tour in 1998-99, which they followed with losses in Perth and Adelaide
After last week's run-fest, when Cook became the highest scorer at the Gabba with his 235, the players will have to do a lot better to beat the ground's high mark. Don Bradman's 299 is the top score, while England's best is Paul Collingwood's 206 four years ago
Two players involved in the match will start it with batting averages of more than 200 at the venue. Brad Haddin's mean is 245 in two Tests, while Collingwood's is 228 after one match.
Australia have won 16 of 29 Tests against England at Adelaide, while the visitors have succeeded on eight occasions. Their last victory there came in 1994-95, when Devon Malcolm and Chris Lewis bowled the hosts out for 156 in the final innings.
Only four of the specialist bowlers in both squads have played Tests in Adelaide. Johnson has played there three times, while Peter Siddle, Doug Bollinger and James Anderson have played there once.
Quotes
"The bottom line is we've got to find 20 wickets in the game and we've got to pick the bowlers who we think are best equipped, skill-based wise and physically, to get that job done."
Ricky Ponting

"We played a really good three-day game here a little while ago, and it was really valuable to play on the Test square. Our guys enjoyed playing on that surface."
Andy Flower, England's coach
 
I REALLY REALLY hope we win the toss!
 
What time's the LeBum v Cleveland game?

Starts an hour after the cricket (8:00 EST). So cricket till the drinks break, switch to basketball, watch the gong show get booed, then switch back.
 
I really hope Australia stick with Hilfenhaus. Just seen some of Harris's deliveries in the last ODI series and he's rapid! Dangerous bowler.
 
Forgot Shehzad was in the squad until Sky discussed it. May be worth a punt on this wicket, he's defo quick enough. Can bat a bit too.

Would be an attacking move, but maybe couldn't be the workhorse that Finn was in the last match.

Come on, drop a batsman and go in with 5 bowlers. Never going to happen though.
 
Forgot Shehzad was in the squad until Sky discussed it. May be worth a punt on this wicket, he's defo quick enough. Can bat a bit too.

Would be an attacking move, but maybe couldn't be the workhorse that Finn was in the last match.

Come on, drop a batsman and go in with 5 bowlers. Never going to happen though.
FastBowler was suggesting Australia drop their spinners and play all their quickies. :)) would be interesting though :19:
 
Forgot Shehzad was in the squad until Sky discussed it. May be worth a punt on this wicket, he's defo quick enough. Can bat a bit too.

Would be an attacking move, but maybe couldn't be the workhorse that Finn was in the last match.

Come on, drop a batsman and go in with 5 bowlers. Never going to happen though.

yea unless they lose the next 2 matches, england will persist with this quartet throughout the series
 
Forgot Shehzad was in the squad until Sky discussed it. May be worth a punt on this wicket, he's defo quick enough. Can bat a bit too.

Would be an attacking move, but maybe couldn't be the workhorse that Finn was in the last match.

Come on, drop a batsman and go in with 5 bowlers. Never going to happen though.


agree that it's not going to happen, but if it did who would you drop? Collingwood?
 
If Australia bat first there will be a HUGE innings defeat. If England Bat first Australia to win by 10 wickets
 
agree that it's not going to happen, but if it did who would you drop? Collingwood?
I was hedging by bets by throwing out an idea but not actually naming a guy who should be dropped in case he goes on to get a matchwinning 200...but feet to the fire I probably would get rid of Collongwood.
 
Assalam'walaykum to Everyone.

So, Around 30mins to go to Start the Match.

I am sorry if anyone Hates this, Its 100% my opinion.

2nd Ashes Test : Australia*11 VS England*7 + SAf*4
 
that's disgraceful, Hilfy should have gotten a go.

lose Professor X FFS!
 
Good move by Australia but Hilfy shouldn't have been dropped. He's a much more consistent bowler than Siddle too, but you can't drop a hat trick bowler.
 
Ryan Harris is better Swing Bowler and He has an edge with his Batting Ability which might have worked in favor for him to get a place in 1st Eleven.
 
Hilfy averages about 4 wickets a match, but he's never taken a five for. Just goes to show his consistency.
 
I hope the Aussies get smashed, they have really ticked me off by benching :sarfraz
 
Originally Posted by 1137moiz

Strsauss went to England as a toddler. same with Prior

I know, But If Usman plays for Aussie, You will be the First guy to say,,, Here is a Pakistani Playing for Aussie..
 
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Cricinfo mentions Harris as a "poor man's Tim Bresnan" LOL.

Somewhat like calling Wasim a poor man's Mitch Johnson.

We will bat, not surprisingly. Now ffs make some runs!
 
Cricinfo mentions Harris as a "poor man's Tim Bresnan" LOL.

Somewhat like calling Wasim a poor man's Mitch Johnson.

We will bat, not surprisingly. Now ffs make some runs!
:facepalm: such idiots. Harris is a big hitter like Bresnan, and a much faster bowler
 
Harris looks very impressive. Bresnan is just a fat guy who can bowl a bit.

Marcus North to get 100+
 
c'mon Punt'ahhhhh!

play the knock of yer life!!!!
 
Aborigine women again welcoming the English and Aussies to her country. Such nice people
 
"God save our crazy old woman" - how long is she gna last?
 
Cricinfo mentions Harris as a "poor man's Tim Bresnan" LOL.

Somewhat like calling Wasim a poor man's Mitch Johnson.

We will bat, not surprisingly. Now ffs make some runs!
But Cricindia are more than capable of writing Wasim is a poor man's Zaheer so don't feel too bad about it.
 
Good move by Australia but Hilfy shouldn't have been dropped. He's a much more consistent bowler than Siddle too, but you can't drop a hat trick bowler.

It's harsh on the Hilf but it's really a horses for courses selection, with the Adelaide Oval being Harris's home ground and not really suited to the Hilf's style.

But now we will have to see what Ryan Harris is made of. He's the unknown quantity in this match. I'm sure they will go after him early to knock him off his game. He's going to have to be totally focused mentally.

The other key is Doherty - he NEEDS to not only be a wicket taking threat, but also a bowler who can dry up the runs on one end.

This attack is a bit of a far cry from the last time we played the Poms here though:

2006 - McGrath, Lee, Warne, Clark
2010 - Siddle, Bollinger, Harris, Doherty, Twatson
 
Cricinfo mentions Harris as a "poor man's Tim Bresnan" LOL.

Somewhat like calling Wasim a poor man's Mitch Johnson.

We will bat, not surprisingly. Now ffs make some runs!

We need to score about 1000 runs on the first 2 days to make sure we don't lose
 
LOL at Harris being a poor man's Tim Bresnan
:facepalm:
 
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