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Seems BazBall did not yield the benefits that England would have hoped for in the first match but they came pretty close to winning the game against the WTC23 champions.

England have chosen to drop Moeen and go without a specialist spinner after announcing their XI today - will that decision bite them or prove to be match-winning directions?

England Team

1. Ben Duckett
2. Zak Crawley
3. Ollie Pope
4. Joe Root
5. Harry Brook
6. Ben Stokes *
7. Jonathan Bairstow +
8. Stuart Broad
9. Ollie Robinson
10. Josh Tongue
11. James Anderson

Australia Squad: David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Steven Smith, Travis Head, Cameron Green, Alex Carey(w), Pat Cummins(c), Nathan Lyon, Scott Boland, Josh Hazlewood, Mitchell Marsh, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Harris, Matt Renshaw, Josh Inglis, Todd Murphy

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Who is Josh Tongue?

Where are the likes of Chris Woakes, Sam Curran, Mark Wood or Jofra Archer?
 
Far too much talking from England in the buildup to this Test. Stokes and McCullum should tell his players to zip it and let your actions do the talking as these bold statements can easily backfire.
 
Ab Fan said:
Who is Josh Tongue?

Where are the likes of Chris Woakes, Sam Curran, Mark Wood or Jofra Archer?
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England want high pace fast bowler so that's why Woakes and Curran are being ignored.

Mark wood has an elbow injury otherwise he would be picked immediately, jofra may not even heal in time for the the world cup

Josh Tongue is England's next fastest bowler, he got a 5 fer vs Ireland and touched 91mph in that test
Stokes will employ him to execute the short ball tactic
 
Surprising as they really backed moeen
Not picking rehan or moeen has weakened the tail
Mark wood still has elbow issues so that's why he hasn't been picked
 
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sindhiboy said:
Surprising as they really backed moeen
Not picking rehan or moeen has weakened the tail
Mark wood still has elbow issues so that's why he hasn't been picked
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Bloke who averages 15 with the bat over his last 20 tests is pretty much a tailender.
 
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Bazball has zero respect for Test cricket. Expect more self-destructive tactics that will play into the hands of the Australians.

The fact that the English captain is completely clueless on and off the field doesn’t help matters either. His tactics are a joke, he makes a mockery of the format and he recalled Moeen out of retirement only to bench him after one Test.

It is a circus. The fact that he is washed up as a player only makes things work. England are playing with 10 men because their captain couldn’t miss the IPL even though he was struggling with an injury.

If Australia play regular Test cricket and do the basics right, they should walk away with a 2-0 lead here. Bazball is an arrogant, delusional mockery of Test cricket and it will perish.

The only saving grace for England is Joe Root, the rightful leader of this team and the world’s greatest batsman. However, there is only so much he can do when his clown captain and coach are demanding him to play reverse-scoops against first bowlers in the first over of the day and charge Lyon for no reason.

Perhaps they want him to become a mediocre 30 averaging batsman like themselves. It is too late for them to ruin Joe Root but they are trying their best to convert a wonderfully talented young batsman like Harry Brook into a slogger.

Bazball is shameful and traditional Test cricket will triumph this summer. The whole world is support Australia.
 
You can't beat the Aussies when it comes to mind games.

England should stick to cricket and not get involved in the chat.
 
Saj said:
You can't beat the Aussies when it comes to mind games.

England should stick to cricket and not get involved in the chat.
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Robinson is definitely under pressure here. Spoke too much and the big Aussies want to smash him now.
 
If the pitch is so green that England have selected 4/5 seamers and one part time spinner, that means Cummins Boland Hazelwood will run through that England T20 batting lineup like hot knife through butter.

Australia 2-0
 
Bazball to win the day, no more stupid decs. Come on England.
 
Mamoon said:
Bazball has zero respect for Test cricket. Expect more self-destructive tactics that will play into the hands of the Australians.

The fact that the English captain is completely clueless on and off the field doesn’t help matters either. His tactics are a joke, he makes a mockery of the format and he recalled Moeen out of retirement only to bench him after one Test.

It is a circus. The fact that he is washed up as a player only makes things work. England are playing with 10 men because their captain couldn’t miss the IPL even though he was struggling with an injury.

If Australia play regular Test cricket and do the basics right, they should walk away with a 2-0 lead here. Bazball is an arrogant, delusional mockery of Test cricket and it will perish.

The only saving grace for England is Joe Root, the rightful leader of this team and the world’s greatest batsman. However, there is only so much he can do when his clown captain and coach are demanding him to play reverse-scoops against first bowlers in the first over of the day and charge Lyon for no reason.

Perhaps they want him to become a mediocre 30 averaging batsman like themselves. It is too late for them to ruin Joe Root but they are trying their best to convert a wonderfully talented young batsman like Harry Brook into a slogger.

Bazball is shameful and traditional Test cricket will triumph this summer. The whole world is support Australia.
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Your opinions hover on either extremes, there's nothing in between.
 
Mamoon said:
Bazball has zero respect for Test cricket. Expect more self-destructive tactics that will play into the hands of the Australians.

The fact that the English captain is completely clueless on and off the field doesn’t help matters either. His tactics are a joke, he makes a mockery of the format and he recalled Moeen out of retirement only to bench him after one Test.

It is a circus. The fact that he is washed up as a player only makes things work. England are playing with 10 men because their captain couldn’t miss the IPL even though he was struggling with an injury.

If Australia play regular Test cricket and do the basics right, they should walk away with a 2-0 lead here. Bazball is an arrogant, delusional mockery of Test cricket and it will perish.

The only saving grace for England is Joe Root, the rightful leader of this team and the world’s greatest batsman. However, there is only so much he can do when his clown captain and coach are demanding him to play reverse-scoops against first bowlers in the first over of the day and charge Lyon for no reason.

Perhaps they want him to become a mediocre 30 averaging batsman like themselves. It is too late for them to ruin Joe Root but they are trying their best to convert a wonderfully talented young batsman like Harry Brook into a slogger.

Bazball is shameful and traditional Test cricket will triumph this summer. The whole world is support Australia.
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Your opinions hover on either extremes, there's nothing in between.
 
It really doesn't matter which side of the BazBall divide you stand on, fact of the matter is that Test cricket has become much more entertaining and a talking point due to this.
 
Glenn Mcgrath in a column:

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I know I'm expected to predict that Australia will win every Ashes series 5-0.

I don't like to disappoint, so did the same before this year's contest. I did, however, say that every match would go down to the wire.

That is exactly what happened in the first Test, with Australia's nerve-shredding win at Edgbaston.

So far, so good.

Naturally, I'm a true blue Aussie, but that doesn't mean I can't like the way England play. I do.

They are aggressive, positive and back themselves. That is what I want to see from all sportspeople. Only when you play without fear do you learn what you are truly capable of.

Did England take it too far in Birmingham? It's a fine line. Declaring on the first evening would have looked brilliant had they taken a wicket or two, but they didn't.

It's good to be confident, but don't let that spill over into becoming too cocky.

Edgbaston was fascinating not only for the tight result, but for the way the teams tried to feel each other out with the tactics.

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We had a pretty good idea of how England would go about it, but the unknown was Australia's response.

Pat Cummins and his team came up with an interesting gameplan, one that received a lot of attention for supposedly being too negative.

At this point, I think it's worth saying I was never a fan of run-saving fields when I was bowling.

How would I have reacted to having three men on the boundary in the first hour of a Test? I would have been asking for another slip, so that if a batter made a mistake, I had the chance of a wicket.

But Australia were reacting to England's approach as well as the Edgbaston pitch, which was flat and un-English. Ultimately, Australia won, so their plan worked.

Can Australia stick with a containment plan for the rest of the series? So much depends on the conditions.

In that sense, England are slightly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Their batters will want to Bazball on flat pitches, but their bowlers perform better when there is something in the pitch.

There is a green-tinge to the surface for the second Test at Lord's this week, so that adds another dynamic.

England arrive at Lord's with more pressure on their shoulders. If they lose, I can't see a way that they get back into the series.

From that point of view, it's interesting to see that Ollie Robinson and Zak Crawley have been vocal in the media. I have no problem with it, especially because I was always ready with a prediction or a target of an opposition batter during my playing days.

You have to back it up. If you don't you can look silly. It's easier as a bowler, because you have plenty of opportunities to take the wicket that proves you right. If you're a batter, it takes one ball to prove you wrong.

Leading the series gives Australia the perfect opportunity to win the Ashes in England for the first time since 2001. Cummins could achieve something that eluded captains like Ricky Ponting and Michael Clarke.

Cummins put in Herculean performance at Edgbaston, contributing with the bat in the first innings, taking four wickets with the ball in England's second innings, then pulling off the match-winning knock on the final day.

Captains always want to lead by example and he has done that. Bowlers love scoring runs down the order, it gives a real boost to their confidence when they get the ball in hand. For Cummins, that will spread into his leadership.

His support at Edgbaston came from Nathan Lyon, who this week will become the first bowler to play 100 consecutive Tests.

That is a phenomenal achievement, a testament to his work ethic and his impact on the team.

Lyon is the custodian of the team song - Under The Southern Cross I Stand - which is sung when Australia win.

The responsibility was passed on to him from Mike Hussey and it involves deciding when and where the song is sung, then hyping the boys up by recapping the match and praising the players who did well.

I don't miss playing, but I do miss the moments I spent with my team-mates, like the team song. Once, after a win against South Africa in Cape Town, we sung on top of Table Mountain in the small hours of the morning.

Australia will give some serious consideration to their team for Lord's. They were desperate for Scott Boland to play at Edgbaston, but the dry conditions turned out to be difficult for him. England really looked to get after him.

Mitchell Starc will be straining at the leash to play this week, especially after sitting out in Birmingham and playing just once on the last tour in 2019.

It could be that the Lord's conditions are more suited to Boland's pitch-up, nibble-around style, but I'm not sure Australia will want to leave Starc out for two consecutive matches.

What we do know is that England have made their move, including Josh Tongue in an all-pace attack for a match they have to win.

The last time a team came from behind to win the Ashes was in 2005, a series I was right in the thick of.

We were 1-0 up heading into the second Test at Edgbaston, a match I sat out after the infamous incident of treading on the ball in the warm-up.

We lost a thrilling Test by two runs, but I will always maintain that the series would have been won had we got over the line that day.

The same is true now. If Australia win at Lord's, the Ashes are done and dusted.

BBC
 
Overcast in London this morning.

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What would be your decision if you won the toss today?
 
JattMaula said:
Hyped for this one. :sa

This test will decide the series!
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Same as Genn Mcgrath

"England arrive at Lord's with more pressure on their shoulders. If they lose, I can't see a way that they get back into the series."
 
England opt to bowl, good decision given conditions

Australia (Playing XI): David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Marnus Labuschagne, Steven Smith, Travis Head, Cameron Green, Alex Carey(w), Mitchell Starc, Pat Cummins(c), Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazlewood

England (Playing XI): Zak Crawley, Ben Duckett, Ollie Pope, Joe Root, Harry Brook, Ben Stokes(c), Jonny Bairstow(w), Stuart Broad, Ollie Robinson, Josh Tongue, James Anderson
 
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Firebat said:
If the pitch is so green that England have selected 4/5 seamers and one part time spinner, that means Cummins Boland Hazelwood will run through that England T20 batting lineup like hot knife through butter.

Australia 2-0
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Not if they don’t pick Boland and lose the toss….
 
Stokes: Hopefully we can exploit conditions

England's four seamers, including Ashes debutant Josh Tongue, will surely be looking forward to taking the ball for the morning session.

"Overhead conditions obviously played a part in this and the wicket looks like it's got some grass on it, so hopefully we can exploit that this morning," England captain Stokes said.

"We felt having four seamers, we wanted a point of difference and Tonguey definitely offers us that."

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Cummins: Still things we can tidy up

Australia captain Pat Cummins is eyeing improvements from his side as they aim to go 2-0 up in the Ashes series, although does not believe their historic good record at Lord's will be a factor.

"There are a couple of areas I think we can tidy up from last week. They're world-class player and I know how hard they've been working out the back here all week.

"We're selective with our history and that's not a bad bit of history, but it's a fresh start and we're a new team so we'll see how we go - but we love playing here."
 
At Lords, the saying goes, when assessing conditions, “look up, not down”
The overhead conditions are often more important than the wicket.

It’s overcast so makes sense to bowl first.
This should be fun — real battle between the opening bowlers vs Aus top order.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Play was delayed at Lord's due to protestors invading the pitch, with Jonny Bairstow removing one of them from the field &#55357;&#57000; <a href="https://t.co/5dVSjHdEQY">pic.twitter.com/5dVSjHdEQY</a></p>— Sky Sports News (@SkySportsNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1673999981286391815?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 28, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Tough chance - but should have been taken
 
Lots of seam movement and zip off the wicket. Massive advantage for England to bowl in these conditions
 
Eid Mubarak to everyone celebrating today. Getting some cricket in before the relatives come over.

Looks a bowl first wicket, and certainly more of a traditional English wicket than Edgbaston, but Warner and Khawaja have resisted well so far.

Robinson's got to get his pace up to early 80s. Warner's even swept him for a boundary.
 
Glen McGrath:Only when you play without fear do you learn what you are truly capable of.

Send this message to cowards like Saqlain & Baba please
 
Ollie Pope does all sorts of theatrical dives in the field but doesn't catch a simple chance. Let-off for Warner.
 
2nd drop!

Warner dropped off Broad

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Tweak to playing times post rain break

After that interruption to the morning's session due to rain, we will apparently have 12 minutes added to the second session, with tea to now take place at 3.52pm.
 
Eng being charitable with these drops as they know they will blow Oz away with Bazball.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
wow English attack is average for the condition.This Tonge looks very raw.
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They aren't. Not in these conditions. Maybe Tongue is a bit inexperienced. Rest are perfect for these conditions . Australia have had luck go their way and made it count so far.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They aren't. Not in these conditions. Maybe Tongue is a bit inexperienced. Rest are perfect for these conditions . Australia have had luck go their way and made it count so far.
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yes. True. But this is the condition where you can keep creating chances that too against someone like warner
 
Think ICC need to start docking teams runs or wickets due to slow over-rate once again its atrocious. Simply fines for players / teams is not working
 
England bowling is extremely one dimensional. All right arm bowlers with medium to medium fast.

England deserves to lose again with such attack.
 
Just Stop Oil protesters briefly disrupted the first morning of the second Ashes Test, with one carried off the Lord's ground by England wicketkeeper Jonny Bairstow.

Two people entered the field attempting to spread orange powder.

As the players guarded the pitch, one was picked up by Bairstow and another stopped by England captain Ben Stokes.

The powder did land on the square, but was cleared by groundstaff and the game resumed after a short delay.

The Metropolitan Police said three arrests were made after the protest.

Guy Lavender, chief executive of Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) - which owns Lord's, said he condemned the protest "in the strongest possible terms".

"Their actions not only endanger themselves and those who work at the ground, but they have consistently shown complete disregard for the people who pay to attend events, not just here at Lord's but around the country at other sporting venues," he said.

Just Stop Oil said: "Just Stop Oil supporters stormed the pitch at Lord's Cricket Ground in a cloud of orange powder paint and disrupted the Ashes 2023 second Test between England and Australia.

"It's just not cricket to license new oil, gas and coal whilst the climate crisis knocks us for six."

The campaign group said on its Twitter account it did not know who the protesters were, but added it "loved" them.

Just Stop Oil protesters have disrupted other sporting events this year, including the rugby union Premiership final and the World Snooker Championship.

The environmental protest group is calling for the government to halt all new oil, gas and coal projects.

Security has been heightened around major cricket matches. With the pitch and conditions more important to the outcome in cricket than most sports, the potential for damage and disruption is greater if protesters are able to reach the middle.

England's team bus was briefly held up by protesters before the Test against Ireland at Lord's earlier this month.

At the World Test Championship final at The Oval, the International Cricket Council took the unusual step of preparing a reserve pitch in case the original one was damaged.

Wednesday's match was only one over old when the protesters entered the field from the Lord's Grandstand.

Initially confronted by the players, they were also tackled by security staff from the venue and the England and Wales Cricket Board.

Bairstow was cheered by the crowd as he carried one protester from the middle to the boundary edge. The other, who got closer to the pitch, was blocked by Stokes and Australia batter David Warner.

Bairstow then left the field to apparently change his shirt and wicketkeeping gloves as the orange powder on the square and outfield had found its way onto his kit.

BBC
 
Allowing Warner to score a 50 plus in his current form is a crime. Even when he was in form he struggled in England. These are bonus runs for Australia.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Tongue got combination of pace and movement. Others have extracted movement but their low pace has made them easier to handle
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Nobody moved like Tongue. That ball came a very long way from length. If anything Warner was out of position. He would have missed that regardless of the speed. There were a few inside edges that Warner was able to get away with.
 
Australia have to bat and reach 300-350here. Tough conditions but there have been 3rd innings collapses here as well. So need to make this innings count.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Nobody moved like Tongue. That ball came a very long way from length. If anything Warner was out of position. He would have missed that regardless of the speed. There were a few inside edges that Warner was able to get away with.
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Hmmmm
Just feel there's seam movement on offer and not much in the air. Tongue has hit the deck whereas others have looked to swing it
 
Aussies past and present players have successfully got under the skin of Robinson. He's bowling trash
 
Ahmed216 said:
Last couple of tests Anderson has looked like someone who should retire.
Skills and will still present but not much left in the body
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Well he gets close to a million dollar per year as part of central contract. So obviously he is going to stretch his career as much as possible with no scope in league cricket.
 
Dangerous time for England. If Smith gets on a roll this could be a very long series for them
 
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