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The Ashes: England v Australia | 2nd Test | Lord's | Jun 28-Jul 02 | Day 1

Broad has been bowling crap for the last 2 or 3 overs with odd good delivery that beats the batsman.
 
The first test defeat has knocked the stuffing out of Eng.. 0-5 coming up
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rope is pulled well in. Wonder why. This is not T20 cricket.
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Maybe the green pitch was to ensure that pitch won't deteriorate and just gets flatter and enables Bazball in the 4th innings like India faced last year? England already mentioned before series that they are going to pull the ropes in as much as possible.
 
Both Smith and labuschagne have shifted their guards 1 stump towards off to cover the line of outswimgers better than last game
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Maybe the green pitch was to ensure that pitch won't deteriorate and just gets flatter and enables Bazball in the 4th innings like India faced last year? England already mentioned before series that they are going to pull the ropes in as much as possible.
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Probably it. It helps bazball cricket keeping boundaries like you have it for T20 leagues.
 
In England no position is safe. This 164/2 can quickly become 180/5 with one or two wickets. But England misses Anderson big time. He is like a part timer for htem.
 
Stokes needs to stop pretending like he is an all rounder. He should only play as a batsman.
 
Confused?? Is Ben Stokes a batter or a bowler. Averages 35 with the bat and 32 with the bowl playing mostly in England

Seems like he is not good enough to be a frontline better nor a bowler. Admittedly, he has had some memorable performances but overall does not seem to be as good as the hype he gets.
 
zarak said:
Confused?? Is Ben Stokes a batter or a bowler. Averages 35 with the bat and 32 with the bowl playing mostly in England

Seems like he is not good enough to be a frontline better nor a bowler. Admittedly, he has had some memorable performances but overall does not seem to be as good as the hype he gets.
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Bowling average of a bowler like him should be taken with a pinch of salt. He hardly bowls. Whenever he bowls with no hope he picks up a wicket here and t here. It makes his average look better because he bowls less. Genuine all rounder shares equal responsibility. Otherwise he is just a part time all rounder.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bowling average of a bowler like him should be taken with a pinch of salt. He hardly bowls. Whenever he bowls with no hope he picks up a wicket here and t here. It makes his average look better because he bowls less. Genuine all rounder shares equal responsibility. Otherwise he is just a part time all rounder.
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He was a genuine all rounder for 60 tests. That's enough to be classified as all rounder irrespective of what you do in remaining matches.

Whether he is a great one or not, that will depend on his overall performance.
 
Ab Fan said:
He was a genuine all rounder for 60 tests. That's enough to be classified as all rounder irrespective of what you do in remaining matches.

Whether he is a great one or not, that will depend on his overall performance.
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Aus to win this test or draw - England do not have the guts and bowlers to win over against this aus team - close to 500 coming up
 
This has been really bad from England so far. They look quite lost and flat. Not taken advantage of conditions and a toss which were designed for them in bespoke fashion. The only bright spark has been Josh Tongue. A few of these English players look miles off it today, particularly Robinson and (sadly) Old Man Anderson. Wonder how long Anderson and Broad will be around after this series.
 
Ab Fan said:
He was a genuine all rounder for 60 tests. That's enough to be classified as all rounder irrespective of what you do in remaining matches.

Whether he is a great one or not, that will depend on his overall performance.
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Yea he is currently not all rounder. Quick calculation revealed in the first 60 tests he bowled 13 overs every 100 overs bowled by England. With 6 bowlers that is an acceptable one. If there were only 5 bowlers that is not sharing the load.
 
You can score at 10 runs an over for all you care but if you don't have bwolers to take 20 wickets those run rates won't win you matches.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bowling average of a bowler like him should be taken with a pinch of salt. He hardly bowls. Whenever he bowls with no hope he picks up a wicket here and t here. It makes his average look better because he bowls less. Genuine all rounder shares equal responsibility. Otherwise he is just a part time all rounder.
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Yeah that's what I mean. Currently, he seems like a massive liability. He is coming in and bowling 125kph pies and averaging low to mid 30's with the bat. Is he a specialist captain or what.

Might as well play Woakes in his place.
 
35 overs still to be bowled in 2 hours play

ICC should start doing 5 penalty runs per late over or even 1 wicket lost per 5 overs that are late (if bowling team. Has to still bat in match)

Disgrace so much time is lost with time wasting
 
Amjid Javed said:
35 overs still to be bowled in 2 hours play

ICC should start doing 5 penalty runs per late over or even 1 wicket lost per 5 overs that are late (if bowling team. Has to still bat in match)

Disgrace so much time is lost with time wasting
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They have no spinners operating. So it is going to be worse given that these guys bowl no balls in between.
 
Amjid Javed said:
35 overs still to be bowled in 2 hours play

ICC should start doing 5 penalty runs per late over or even 1 wicket lost per 5 overs that are late (if bowling team. Has to still bat in match)

Disgrace so much time is lost with time wasting
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England have come with Bazball which is mainly batting and some strange fields.

Perhaps they need to think of Bazbat to bring in bowlers who can actually take wickets.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They have no spinners operating. So it is going to be worse given that these guys bowl no balls in between.
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No sympathy to be honest, all teams know rules on over rates etc.. so if teams playing all seam attack that's still on them to get through the overs on time
 
sweep_shot said:
Australia - 252/3.

Very strong position. I think Aussies may win this Test too.
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Only saving grace is under "bazball" England do like chasing, even if total in 4th inns ends up being a big one
 
Amjid Javed said:
Only saving grace is under "bazball" England do like chasing, even if total in 4th inns ends up being a big one
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Australia have an elite bowling attack. I don't think Bazball would be much effective against this attack. But, let's see.
 
Starc is a run machine for opposition when he doesn't get it right. So England still has some chance. But their bowling is one-dimensional. Almost all round 80 mph bowling channel deliveries. There is no real enforcer in this line up.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Starc is a run machine for opposition when he doesn't get it right. So England still has some chance. But their bowling is one-dimensional. Almost all round 80 mph bowling channel deliveries. There is no real enforcer in this line up.
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He is the bowler most likely to be mauled but Aussies have 4 other options with Lyon to hold one end up if need arises.
 
As a cricket purist, I absolutely dislike Bazball and I think it is just a fad.

Therefore, I hope Aussies would win 5-0 (which I think is a real possibility).
 
sweep_shot said:
Australia have an elite bowling attack. I don't think Bazball would be much effective against this attack. But, let's see.
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Depends on the day 5 pitch. Lords can be flat but also can see sharp turn.

Not playing a spinner at Lords is amateurish. Not only can they win the match on day 4/5, they offer control and allow the team to speed up the pace or slow it down.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Depends on the day 5 pitch. Lords can be flat but also can see sharp turn.

Not playing a spinner at Lords is amateurish. Not only can they win the match on day 4/5, they offer control and allow the team to speed up the pace or slow it down.
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Yeah. Spinner also helps with over rate issue.

Australia lost 2 points last game due to slow over rate.
 
Too many 4 balls today from the England bowlers which is something they've not done too often of late.
 
Another lifeless pitch. Last game England forced a result but this one is going to be a draw
 
KingKhanWC said:
Depends on the day 5 pitch. Lords can be flat but also can see sharp turn.

Not playing a spinner at Lords is amateurish. Not only can they win the match on day 4/5, they offer control and allow the team to speed up the pace or slow it down.
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Old stokes had wood over Lyon. He thrashed him at Lords and Leeds.
 
Does Ben Stokes has any clue what is going on?

Is this the “much better captain than Joe Root”?
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I don't rate Australian bowling either. If England wanted to draw the last test they could easily have done. They can very well do the same here.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yeah. Spinner also helps with over rate issue.

Australia lost 2 points last game due to slow over rate.
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England have decent spinners . The young British Bangladeshi origin Ahmed has series skill. Sure he's young, he may go for a few but probably would have taken a wicket or two by now. On a day 5 pitch he would be lethal. The lad can bat too.

jnaveen1980 said:
Old stokes had wood over Lyon. He thrashed him at Lords and Leeds.
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Spinners always have days where they go for some and dont take wickets. Lyon does a good job for Aus, in the 4th innings he will likely run through England.
 
It is painful to watch this bowling attack trundling at 80 mph. They feasted on bunch of out of form batsmen in recent times. A reasonably inform batting unit is able to negotiate them better.
 
KingKhanWC said:
England have decent spinners . The young British Bangladeshi origin Ahmed has series skill. Sure he's young, he may go for a few but probably would have taken a wicket or two by now. On a day 5 pitch he would be lethal. The lad can bat too.




Spinners always have days where they go for some and dont take wickets. Lyon does a good job for Aus, in the 4th innings he will likely run through England.
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Not really. LYon failed to remove Ashwin/Vihari after Pant's counter attack at the SCG. They batted for 43 overs. Then next match Pant/Sundar handled Lyon well in 4th innings again. He relies on batsmen going after him.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is painful to watch this bowling attack trundling at 80 mph. They feasted on bunch of out of form batsmen in recent times. A reasonably inform batting unit is able to negotiate them better.
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That's what I wrote before.

Bazball gave England wins because England faced a bunch of out of form teams/players on favorable pitches. This Ashes series is the first real test for Bazball.
 
Mamoon said:
Does Ben Stokes has any clue what is going on?

Is this the “much better captain than Joe Root”?

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He delivers when it matters. He is waiting for that "when it matters" occasion.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not really. LYon failed to remove Ashwin/Vihari after Pant's counter attack at the SCG. They batted for 43 overs. Then next match Pant/Sundar handled Lyon well in 4th innings again. He relies on batsmen going after him.
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To be fair, that series happened a while ago. India have declined while Australia got stronger.

I don't think that one series should be used to describe Lyon (who has close to 500 Test wickets).
 
This is not a typical Lords pitch. Ball is definitely coming onto the bat and I expect the ball to come on even better in the last innings. Australia should not make the mistake of underestimating this side like India did at Edgbaston. Just keep batting and force England out of the game and the series.
 
Mamoon said:
Does Ben Stokes has any clue what is going on?

Is this the “much better captain than Joe Root”?

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=144683]Forum363[/MENTION]
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Are you going to tell us yet whether you seriously believe any country in the world would retain a Test captain after winning 1 Test in 17 - or are you waiting until the forum closes on July 1st to avoid answering ? :root
 
Ab Fan said:
Travis Head is a better batsman than Babar Azam.
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If we strictly talk about scoring in tough conditions in recent times , Head is right up there. That innings against SA on one of the spiciest track was great. His only issue is bouncer and off spin. Not half trackers. Proper bouncers.
 
England being carved apart with ease. I can't see them bowling Australia out cheaply in this season. Tongue is bowling hot garbage and Anderson looks like he is on the verge of retiring.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If we strictly talk about scoring in tough conditions in recent times , Head is right up there. That innings against SA on one of the spiciest track was great. His only issue is bouncer and off spin. Not half trackers. Proper bouncers.
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Yes when it comes to scoring in tough conditions, Head is way ahead of any other batsman of his age bracket.
 
4 seamers on this pitch? wow. 3 of them average speed 80. Long haul for them in this Test. Also it will impact the series.
 
Gonna be embarrassing going 2 down at home. Australia almost certainly will win the series now. Tremendous team.
 
Anderson & Broad are completely flat when the pitch is flat.
 
Tbh if we are looking at match changing innings Head is unmatched by any batsmen in the world over the past 2 years
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If we strictly talk about scoring in tough conditions in recent times , Head is right up there. That innings against SA on one of the spiciest track was great. His only issue is bouncer and off spin. Not half trackers. Proper bouncers.
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And offspin does him in.
 
What have AUS done ! Two wickets in an over gifted to a part time spinner just when 500+ was looking inevitable.
 
Australia have allowed England back into the match after a couple of stupid shots.

England getting a taste of Bazball.
 
haha, thats the worst shot ive seen since haider ali plinked pandya into the night sky in the wt20, cam green will not forget that in a hurry. aus still likely to be confident given careys form and how comfortable smith looking.
 
If there is one player i would like to t rade that would be Root. Brings so much to the table as a player
 
ElRaja said:
haha, thats the worst shot ive seen since haider ali plinked pandya into the night sky in the wt20, cam green will not forget that in a hurry. aus still likely to be confident given careys form and how comfortable smith looking.
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Carey will get out reverse sweeping wait and watch. He is too obsessed with that shot
 
Smith is so horrible to watch, but so brilliant to watch at the same time :)
 
Saj said:
Smith is so horrible to watch, but so brilliant to watch at the same time :)
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He is prepared to be ugly one of the reason why he has great success. From backlift to follow through, from front foot to backfoot everything is ugly about Smith. But that is what makes him more effective. He just gets into position one way or the other.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not really. LYon failed to remove Ashwin/Vihari after Pant's counter attack at the SCG. They batted for 43 overs. Then next match Pant/Sundar handled Lyon well in 4th innings again. He relies on batsmen going after him.
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You are cherrypicking matches to suit your argument.

Maybe you didnt watch when India were 242-3, then Lyon destroyed the batting line up claiming 7 wickets? Aus ended up winning the match by 43 runs.

Even Root has taken a couple of wickets here on day 1. Lyon will be a terror on day 5. Poor selection from England, too arrogant.
 
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