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"The Big 3 boards are sons of pigs": Ijaz Butt

Najam Sethi is standing right next to him how can PCB distant itself from butt? So Sethi invited him to discuss the big 3 issue, does a joint press conference with him and then distances PCB from butt? Oh God please remove Sethi.
 
Najam Sethi is standing right next to him how can PCB distant itself from butt? So Sethi invited him to discuss the big 3 issue, does a joint press conference with him and then distances PCB from butt? Oh God please remove Sethi.

Its not Sethi's fault that Butt is an idiot.
 
Its not Sethi's fault that Butt is an idiot.

Sethi was STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HIM and SMILING.

What more does one need?

Didn't Sethi lie about something to local news paper and got caught because of Pakpassion.

Too bad he does look like a sophisticated guy. I thought he would be sensible.
 
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As an Indian fan, I'd totally isolate what Butt saa'b is saying from all of Pakistan/ Pakistani cricket fans. If we were to start blaming a whole people on what some (ex) reps say, there will be no end to the recriminations.

Two, let the sensible Pakistanis deal with it by themselves. Plenty of responses here that speak to their embarrassment. Any implied racism, xenophobia is their issue to handle.

Three, Butt saa'b has insulted the boards....not India, England and Australia. There is a huge difference, so no need to feel insulted.

Fourth, Butt saa'b you are a 'lajand'. :)) As someone else said earlier, I would pay to see this man as head of BCCI. Can we elect him already?

Fifth, a pig is a living thing, why is calling someone a pig an insult? Given how brutal man is, the worst insult is to call someone a 'violent man'

Sixth, if relations between India and Pakistan were better, I'd be on the first plane tomorrow from Delhi to stand outside Butt saa'b house and say to him in my deepest, 'gravellest,' tones:

Oink.

No one and I mean no one is equating this Butt's comment to Pakistanis opinion.

As for saying that "calling someone pig" is not an insult as opposed to "calling someone violent", cmon we are not kindergarden kids here.

That kind of preachy crap does not belong here.
 
I really wouldn't mind if PCB gets banned from international cricket for a while until it sorts itself out. This organization has become an national embarrassment and its in dire need of professional leadership.
 
We had this guy for 3 years as Chairman and now he is advising he current chairman.
We are doomed.
 
I don't like BCCI, but such foul language should not be tolerated. BCCI should not have any ties whatsoever with such foul mouths. He is a former chairman, and current chairman is standing next to him laughing.
 
I don't like BCCI, but such foul language should not be tolerated. BCCI should not have any ties whatsoever with such foul mouths. He is a former chairman, and current chairman is standing next to him laughing.

How will Najam Sethi go and face the Big 3 now?
 
A smart reporter would have asked him that why is he so bent over on playing with the pigs.

Not that its a big disrespect outside islamic countries but he still needs to watch his filthy mouth and more importantly sethi being a award winning journalist should have interjected right there.
Sethi is a big let down, Pakistan needs a non lying, non crying, non political and smart chairperson.
 
shows Sethi's lack of judgment and brownnosing to elt this happen. How unprofessional and down right ridiculous. Sethi is just a media attention seeker.
 
Butt doing gabbar while sethi doing sambha.

Nawaz Sharif is doing thakur :D and Zaka is doing Basanti

And we all are Ramgarh wale
 
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Yep, Sri just issued a statement against the one issued by Jahaz Butt...Sri said "We resent Jahaz saying We are sons of pigs, we are actually the dads"

Yaani keh, saalay hum suur keh bachaay nahin...hum to uss keh bhi abbay/baap hain:gul:wahab:sami
 
How to Win Friends and Influence People - Ijaz Butt style.

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This needs to become a smiley! :))) :)))
 
Hahaha...what? This guy said this in public? ROFL...and this guy was the former chairman of the PCB. Got to feel for the players and fans who had to endure this man heading their org. Howlarious nevertheless!
 
Constructive criticism...ever heard of that term?

In a professional system (lets for a moment assume PCB is one) when you dislike someone you make constructive criticism, not call them 'Son of Pigs'. :facepalm:

yup heard of it.

you ever heard of the word "fact" . If yes then get yours straight. Ijaz butt is not a part of pcb.
 
lol - long live Butt

he is merciless - there is not a sound bite he can not overpower

this classless shambolic quote needs to be added on to the "pcb chairmen Gaffs" thread - which has grown embarrassingly long in itself

tells you a lot on thE quality of the pcb leadership
 
yup heard of it.

you ever heard of the word "fact" . If yes then get yours straight. Ijaz butt is not a part of pcb.
Not sure if I entirely agree with you. He was standing with PCB chairman while making this comment and Sethi was smiling.
 
Not sure if I entirely agree with you. He was standing with PCB chairman while making this comment and Sethi was smiling.

are you for real? Sethi couldnt have shoved anything in his mouth while he was saying it. As far as the question of smiling goes, you gotta admit what ijaz said was pathetic but hilarious at the same time as well. :))) everyone condemned it but it is funny as long as its being said to somebody else.
 
are you for real? Sethi couldnt have shoved anything in his mouth while he was saying it. As far as the question of smiling goes, you gotta admit what ijaz said was pathetic but hilarious at the same time as well. :))) everyone condemned it but it is funny as long as its being said to somebody else.

It is funny for teenagers, internet forums and media person. It is extremely unprofessional for a board member to sit there and smile. But then most of PCB's work is done through media, so no surprises there
 
It is funny for teenagers, internet forums and media person. It is extremely unprofessional for a board member to sit there and smile. But then most of PCB's work is done through media, so no surprises there

yes i agree with u. sethi shouldnt have smiled. What a big crime he did by smiling. He knew exactly what was going to come out of ijaz' mouth and he should have taken prior action. Even after ijaz said it , sethi shouldnt have smiled. He should have cried and Slapped ijaz because ijaz represents PCB and shouldnt have said that.
 
Pure stupidity. Anyone who condones it has to take another look in the mirror. The fact the current Chairman is standing right beside him and laughing makes it even worse.

This is just a small example of why that country is doomed, idiots have taken over. So glad to be out of there. Lots of other sports to fill my time where I am now.
 
Actually it is the media's fault. Butt requested them not to quote him and not to post what he said but they still did. Very shameful
 
Its not Sethi's fault that Butt is an idiot.

Sethi invited the most controversial figure for assistance on such an important matter, did a joint press conference and you think it's not Sethi's fault? Riight! Taking advice from Butt itself is a crime.
 
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Sethi invited the most controversial figure for assistance on such an important matter, did a joint press conference and you think it's not Sethi's fault? Riight! Taking advice from Butt itself is a crime.

He was only trying to be nice, polite and courteous.

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He was only trying to be nice, polite and courteous.

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By Inviting Butt who accused English team of match fixing? Yea seems like the right guy to be taking advice from.
 
He was only trying to be nice, polite and courteous.

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Did you or anyone else here watched Sethi yesterday interview on PTV with Dr Nauman? If not please do watch it. This man is shameless i mean after those lies of ICC meeting and Giles clarke where he apologized yesterday he created another story based on lie saying i offered money to ECB to send english team to Pakistan and if thats not possible we are willing to pay even if you send a team full of county players to Pakistan.
 
If you translate into the crude Punjabi words, it comes out bad, but what he meant in real words, all three of them are " bad boys".

Remember, in Punjabi, even a respectful word come across as a swear, but Butt is a loose cannon and most people know about him.

He should have said 'ganday bachay' but that would not have the same impact so he called them 'suwar ke bache'. Reminds me of a famous dialogue from a blockbuster hindi movie 'sholay' by gabbar singh 'suwar ke bachon'.
 
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Actually it is the media's fault. Butt requested them not to quote him and not to post what he said but they still did. Very shameful

Not sure if being sarcastic. He was live on TV. Everyone could see/hear it. What do you think would happen.

Also, I guess the full effect of the words aren't appreciated by the English/Aussie posters here. Its a bit of an insult in Pakistan (Pigs are considered dirty, and their meat is haraam).
 
Actually it is the media's fault. Butt requested them not to quote him and not to post what he said but they still did. Very shameful

"OFF the Record "is a technical term is journalism and journalists respect it but If I am not wrong, it is used for private meetings not public press conferences. I think Butt know that such things exist but not the conditions under which they apply.
 
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Actually it is the media's fault. Butt requested them not to quote him and not to post what he said but they still did. Very shameful

Hold a press conference and ask to filter out what they report? Lol, not happening. Butt is a butt.
 
yes i agree with u. sethi shouldnt have smiled. What a big crime he did by smiling. He knew exactly what was going to come out of ijaz' mouth and he should have taken prior action. Even after ijaz said it , sethi shouldnt have smiled. He should have cried and Slapped ijaz because ijaz represents PCB and shouldnt have said that.

He should have behaved professionally, immeaditely chastised ijaz and said PCB does not endorse such behavior. Once again all your talk of slapping etc are how school boys talk and not professionals. Maybe you are not used to professional behavior from your board members but next time PCB is publicaly scolded by other teams just remember that
 
Elderly man, people will often forget that he is obviously a bit senile. Many aged men will react this way

He is 75, keep in mind. Do not know why so many younger people on here use some bad words describing him. Obviously very very bad upbringing.
 
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He should have behaved professionally, immeaditely chastised ijaz and said PCB does not endorse such behavior. Once again all your talk of slapping etc are how school boys talk and not professionals. Maybe you are not used to professional behavior from your board members but next time PCB is publicaly scolded by other teams just remember that

Indians taking the moral high ground! :)))

Professional behaviour? Which ethics book states that it is professional to replace a democratic system with a dictatorship? Which ethics book states that the most well off should abuse their power to become richer and more powerful at the expense of the poor? Please, criticise Butt all you want, but to come on a Pakistani forum and lecture everyone on how cricket boards should act professionally, borders on complete stupidity.
 
Its his personal opinion and he is not an official now. nothing to be embarrassed about

Most of us have the same views don't we?
 
Indians taking the moral high ground! :)))

Professional behaviour? Which ethics book states that it is professional to replace a democratic system with a dictatorship? Which ethics book states that the most well off should abuse their power to become richer and more powerful at the expense of the poor? Please, criticise Butt all you want, but to come on a Pakistani forum and lecture everyone on how cricket boards should act professionally, borders on complete stupidity.

What an amazing logic?

So if an Indian makes a fair point, you will use what BCCI did to put him down.

There is NOT one single Indian poster who equated Butt's statement with a Pak fan's opinion.

Whether you like BCCI or hate it, this kind of stuff would never happen with them.

PCB chairmen whine about others insulting them and they pull of this.

In a corporate world, anyone making such statements and creating an embarrassment would face the consequences.

Here they get more interviews.

How in the world would ANY SELF RESPECTING chairman of any country respect such a chairman when he comes for a discussion?

If someone called you a "suwar ka bacchaa" and then comes and asks for a tour, what would your reaction be?

If Sethi wasn't standing next to Ijaz, he could have salvaged some pride.

Now its just too horrible.

I always maintained PCB would do very well to stay away from media no matter what.
 
Indians taking the moral high ground! :)))

Professional behaviour? Which ethics book states that it is professional to replace a democratic system with a dictatorship? Which ethics book states that the most well off should abuse their power to become richer and more powerful at the expense of the poor? Please, criticise Butt all you want, but to come on a Pakistani forum and lecture everyone on how cricket boards should act professionally, borders on complete stupidity.

First of all, it is highly debatable how much all teams are standing to lose over this ICC makeover. Putting your own argument back at you, in what ethics book does it state that if there are 10 people working and 3 of them make 10 times the money others do, they should just distribute the money among the 7 others? This was the whole point behind the big 3 proposal

Secondly, the point has nothing to do with which board it is or which forum it is. The point is, throughout the whole saga, from leaking out what was spoken in private in media, to creating drama for generating sympathy to now this open abuse of other boards he has worked with, Ijaz has behaved extremely unprofessional for someone representing a cricket board. He and PCB have been called out on this by many Pak fans too, so my being Indian has nothing to do with this. But that you are defending this behavior is what I find wrong and I specifically pointed out you and not all Pak fans

Thirdly, I have not defended the move by BCCI ever, don't think any test cricket fan can. Though I have pointed out that this was inevitable based on the current financial position of cricket and boards
 
He should have behaved professionally, immeaditely chastised ijaz and said PCB does not endorse such behavior. Once again all your talk of slapping etc are how school boys talk and not professionals. Maybe you are not used to professional behavior from your board members but next time PCB is publicaly scolded by other teams just remember that

ok i am a school kid and you are a professional. :yk
But ijaz butt is not a kid :afridi who needs to be told what to say everytime. He always says nonsense like this and probably sethi too knew it and hence thought it was futile to try and make butt understand. probably sethi thought butt would insult him too in front of camera if he tried to rebuke him thats how pathetic butt is.

I personally think sethi did well by not creating a scene in front of camera for the entertainment of people. For your information PCB did later come out with a statement to distance itself from what butt said. This is how you behave professionally , not by lecturing a grown up man on moral science on live t.v.
 
I still maintain that the media is culpable in this. Butt made it clear he should not be quoted but the media still played the tape live, quoted what he said and did not censor anything. Media should be more nationalistic and should always put Pakistan's larger interests first.
 
working and 3 of them make 10 times the money others do, they should just distribute the money among the 7 others? This was the whole point behind the big 3 proposal

No this wasnt the whole point (excerpts of siri interview)

It's been suggested by the ECB and CA that this proposal came about "to keep BCCI in a tent", and they have said it on record that there was a danger that India wouldn't have signed the MPA [Members Participating Agreement].

There were a lot of issues we had on the MPA, genuine issues. I would not have signed the last MPA, but whoever signed it, I don't know how it got signed. There are a lot of disadvantages.

Going back to the earlier question: the view is that we did it to keep India in the tent and we didn't want India outside, throwing stones. How would you respond to that?

I have already said that now we can have an ICC that India can be fully involved with.
 
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No this wasnt the whole point

It's been suggested by the ECB and CA that this proposal came about "to keep BCCI in a tent", and they have said it on record that there was a danger that India wouldn't have signed the MPA [Members Participating Agreement].

There were a lot of issues we had on the MPA, genuine issues. I would not have signed the last MPA, but whoever signed it, I don't know how it got signed. There are a lot of disadvantages.

Going back to the earlier question: the view is that we did it to keep India in the tent and we didn't want India outside, throwing stones. How would you respond to that?

I have already said that now we can have an ICC that India can be fully involved with.

I just made a counter point to his point about rich exploiting the poor

As I have stated before, no cricket fan can support this move completely. But this was also inevitable in the end, whenever such economic imbalances happen. World doesn't run on charity or the price of most multi-national brands would have been a fraction of what they are now and everyone could afford everything.
 
ok i am a school kid and you are a professional. :yk
But ijaz butt is not a kid :afridi who needs to be told what to say everytime. He always says nonsense like this and probably sethi too knew it and hence thought it was futile to try and make butt understand. probably sethi thought butt would insult him too in front of camera if he tried to rebuke him thats how pathetic butt is.

I personally think sethi did well by not creating a scene in front of camera for the entertainment of people. For your information PCB did later come out with a statement to distance itself from what butt said. This is how you behave professionally , not by lecturing a grown up man on moral science on live t.v.

Maybe you are right about Sethi not wanting to create a scene in front of the camera. But do remember that when Ijaz made the previous goof ups (leaking news to the media, then backtracking and apologizing, then looking for sympathy in public), he was still representing PCB. Now when you see him abusing other boards and the new PCB head sitting there grinning, what impression does it create? Ideally Sethi should have avoided going to that debate with Mr Butt.

PCB needs to get it's act right to win back some goodwill from the cricket community. Some people think that PCB has nothing to lose currently. But such kind of behaviors will drive away even those who are sympathetic to them. Will SLC, SA, etc want to deal with PCB if this continues? Will they ever be comfortable sharing any sensitive information or debating the big 3 in front of PCB trusting them not to blabber to the press?

There is no doubt that PCB was very much at a disadvantage right from the beginning of the affair. But their whole taking the moral stand position has been undermined by some really juvenile behavior from Mr Butt. Even the sympathy they gained from other countries from taking the right stand has been undermined by this kind of behavior and they have lost some support from neutral countries.
 
Indiafan as usual throwing a hesy fit and making this a India vs Pakistan issue. Ijaz Butt is a baffoon end of, no need to get your knickers twisted.

You know he is a buffoon. For others he was representing your board for a while. And then we see the new PCB head sitting and grinning while Ijaz abuses others. Not everyone will be in the know or be as forgiving. And you know this is true from the statements made by other boards about PCB. This can/will have long term repercussions.

How is this an India Pakistan issue unless you think PCB = Pakistan?
 
You know he is a buffoon. For others he was representing your board for a while. And then we see the new PCB head sitting and grinning while Ijaz abuses others. Not everyone will be in the know or be as forgiving. And you know this is true from the statements made by other boards about PCB. This can/will have long term repercussions.

How is this an India Pakistan issue unless you think PCB = Pakistan?

Again you are going on about nothing here. PCB deserves everything that is coming its way Pakistani's are not as worried as you are. Chill out these things like everything else have a lifespan after a few weeks/months Ijaz Butt will be the last thing in your mind.
 
Maybe you are right about Sethi not wanting to create a scene in front of the camera. But do remember that when Ijaz made the previous goof ups (leaking news to the media, then backtracking and apologizing, then looking for sympathy in public), he was still representing PCB. Now when you see him abusing other boards and the new PCB head sitting there grinning, what impression does it create? Ideally Sethi should have avoided going to that debate with Mr Butt.

PCB needs to get it's act right to win back some goodwill from the cricket community. Some people think that PCB has nothing to lose currently. But such kind of behaviors will drive away even those who are sympathetic to them. Will SLC, SA, etc want to deal with PCB if this continues? Will they ever be comfortable sharing any sensitive information or debating the big 3 in front of PCB trusting them not to blabber to the press?

There is no doubt that PCB was very much at a disadvantage right from the beginning of the affair. But their whole taking the moral stand position has been undermined by some really juvenile behavior from Mr Butt. Even the sympathy they gained from other countries from taking the right stand has been undermined by this kind of behavior and they have lost some support from neutral countries.

ijaz was, is and will remain a brainless person. Thats why everybody thanks God that he isnt a part of pcb. What he did previously landed pakistan in trouble and was humiliating to say the least. But now he is not a part of PCB and hence he cannot be muted.

All i am saying is that after sharing the stage with him, sethi couldnt have done much and he did the right thing by not creating a scene. Whether he should have gone to the debate with butt or not is a different and debatable question and i agree that its high time that PCB should totally avoid him and treat him like he does not exist.
 
Its all sethi's game. He is the mouth behind the butt.

For the people who are confused about "off the record" thing, it means you dont want the journalist to publish it, but you own what you said. You cannot off-the-record a live conversation. You give warning ahead of the time and ask people to shut down the cameras for off-the-record thing. Sethi should have clarified himself right then and there. He didnt, it is clearly his plan. He was fine doing a U turn for which PCB is known for.
 
Not sure if being sarcastic. He was live on TV. Everyone could see/hear it. What do you think would happen.

Also, I guess the full effect of the words aren't appreciated by the English/Aussie posters here. Its a bit of an insult in Pakistan (Pigs are considered dirty, and their meat is haraam).

Hold a press conference and ask to filter out what they report? Lol, not happening. Butt is a butt.

it wasn't live or a press conference, was an informal chat with journos hoping for an official comment.

still a retarded thing to say, of course.
 
Sorry, could you explain what was idiotic about my comment without making a blanket statement or sucking up to others on a forum?

Your comments by themselves weren't idiotic. I agree with that. That's why I made a post in the first place.

Sorry maybe "idiotic" is harsh and I apologize.

Wrote it quickly and didn't check it.

What I don't agree with you is the unnecessary comments where you say stuff like:

Maybe you are not used to professional behavior from your board members but next time PCB is publicaly scolded by other teams just remember that

Pak fans not used to professional behaviour?

You ain't just attacking PCB.

You are mounting an indirect attack on its fans.

When every single Pak fan has condemned this nonsense, why do you have to make statements wherein you imply they support this and they shouldn't cry when someone points out their flaws.

PCB was stupid.

Everyone agrees.

Why this subtle but indirect attack on its fans?

That's what I was against.
 
Butt Saab proving again that his surname is transplanted where his mouth should have been.
 
Indians taking the moral high ground! :)))

Professional behaviour? Which ethics book states that it is professional to replace a democratic system with a dictatorship? Which ethics book states that the most well off should abuse their power to become richer and more powerful at the expense of the poor? Please, criticise Butt all you want, but to come on a Pakistani forum and lecture everyone on how cricket boards should act professionally, borders on complete stupidity.

What are you defending here?
Butt is an idiot of the highest order. unless you disagree?
 
Your comments by themselves weren't idiotic. I agree with that. That's why I made a post in the first place.

Sorry maybe "idiotic" is harsh and I apologize.

Wrote it quickly and didn't check it.

Fine



Maybe you are not used to professional behavior from your board members but next time PCB is publicaly scolded by other teams just remember that

Pak fans not used to professional behaviour?

You ain't just attacking PCB.

You are mounting an indirect attack on its fans.

When every single Pak fan has condemned this nonsense, why do you have to make statements wherein you imply they support this and they shouldn't cry when someone points out their flaws.

PCB was stupid.

Everyone agrees.

Why this subtle but indirect attack on its fans?

That's what I was against.

Now why would you take 'you' to mean all Pak fans (when that was clearly never intended) and not this particular fan who really thought it was a light and funny matter? I thought that was very clear from my reply. If you are defending such an action then don't complain when PCB also gets chided by other boards
 
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Sorry can't stop myself from bumping this old thread when i found it while searching something else :yk Ijaz Butt and his statements :))
 
Well I am sorry if what he said offends some people but how is it wrong? Deep down inside we all know he is right.

In fact, citizens of their own countries know that and will probably agree with his comment. They are three little hungry piggies just greedily looking for anything and everything to eat around them.
 
Sad to see Ijaz Butt's character questioned. Have people forgotten how he dealt with the media with as deft a touch as a Hashim Amla cover drive. Apart from falling asleep in ICC meetings nobody can accuse him of not being on the ball. Except for accusing England's players of fixing, he handled the spot-fixing scandal with typical diplomacy and attention to detail.

A model of stability. Despite threatening to "hang Shane Warne upside down" that one time he was a professional to his core.

And wake up...
 
Will NEVER forget the "I heard talk in bookie circles" comment. Ijaz Butt was a walking PR disaster.

The Geo interview where he boasted of abusing Lalit Modi on the phone with 'mazaydaar gaaliya' - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?131734-Ijaz-Butt-on-Geo-tonight-Exclusive-Interview

The random show cause notices and "life bans" that were handed out only for Ijaz Butt to do one of his MANY famous U-turns.

Infact things got SO bad at one point after the spot fixing episode that there were protesters inside Lahore Airport chanting "PCB Murdabad" during an Ijaz Butt press conference !

And who can forget this gem - "na sir honday na pir' - https://youtu.be/cxGPZ0rw4wM
 
:))) that was one hell of a gimmick [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] the Attitude era is over now :( the new chairman would never go out on a limb to cut an edgy promo like the legendary Ijazz; talent nowadays...
 
:))) that was one hell of a gimmick [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=137419]dashing_man[/MENTION] the Attitude era is over now :( the new chairman would never go out on a limb to cut an edgy promo like the legendary Ijazz; talent nowadays...

Team PCB will never be the same without its founder :(

Ijaz Butt was terrarizzin, the BOSS, The Authority, Mr. PCB and soon to be Mr. Hall of Fame
 
Will NEVER forget the "I heard talk in bookie circles" comment. Ijaz Butt was a walking PR disaster.

The Geo interview where he boasted of abusing Lalit Modi on the phone with 'mazaydaar gaaliya' - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?131734-Ijaz-Butt-on-Geo-tonight-Exclusive-Interview

The random show cause notices and "life bans" that were handed out only for Ijaz Butt to do one of his MANY famous U-turns.

Infact things got SO bad at one point after the spot fixing episode that there were protesters inside Lahore Airport chanting "PCB Murdabad" during an Ijaz Butt press conference !

And who can forget this gem - "na sir honday na pir' - https://youtu.be/cxGPZ0rw4wM

:)))
 
This man is 98.5% responsible for the predicament that PCB finds itself in. it boggles the mind that this clown should have any sympathy on this forum. Cut my nose to spite my face,
 
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