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The Misbah-ul-Haq Captaincy Analysis Thread

no mater how good is average is, but the strike rate of 68 after his comeback his too poor to accept in the LOIs side.


I don't want him Pakistan side

It is 68 :facepalm:
 
@WL63 ^He asked his S/R compared to S/R of players from different teams batting at his position
 
Bilal7 said:
I'd take a 40 year old who averages 40 and is fit to England for the Champions Trophy atleast. We need to start taking ICC tourneys seriously and chaning captains two months before a major one takes place is just silly.
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His biggest value is as captain rather than batsman.

(Even though I am absolutely flamoxed by the Umar Akmal decision- I hope he wasn't the main man in making this happen)
 
Ahson Afzal said:
I hate this logic that he won't be able to play for 2015, need to play youngsters, etc.
I know it's important to give chances to youngsters and plan for the future to an extent but why should we compromise our CURRENT performances for the FUTURE
There needs to be a balance between youth and experience. We can't just fill the whole team with youngsters
And I am pretty sure that Misbah is not the only person in the team who won't be there till the 2015 WC so why don't we drop all of them?
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Which current performance in ODIs, may I ask?
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Can mr w63 put up some stats multiplying AVE by SR, so we can have some relative measure that takes into account both?
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So you are saying ...... both batsmen are have the same value?

Batsman A:
Ave: 30 S/R: 80
Multiplier: 2400

Batman B:
Ave: 20 S/R: 100
Multiplier: 2400
 
I will tell all his flaws right now

First is Bopara cameback to his ODI side against Pakistan in UAE.

Bopara was clearly feeling the pressure after another comeback, he was 8* (25b), instead of applying more pressure, he spreads out the feild to give him easy single and he went to make a 50[ and partnership of 131 with cook]

In the first match there were 107 singles, 19 twos and 2 there. Bopora had 25 singles in his innings and that what you great captaincy of MISBAH.

This happened in the the whole sereis , we never applied the pressure and played the defensive game then went on to loose 4-0

This is parnership of Cook and Bopra in middle overs and see how singles and double were available, that called crap and defensive captaincy.
 

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Look at first thirty overs of three ODI against England and see how many wickets we have taken in that overs

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Great Captaincy of Misbah #UltraDefensive
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
I have to disagree here.

You need a mixture of attacking players and solid players.

We haven't had as solid a player like misbah in a long time

His captaincy is head and shoulders above everyone since inzi.

And I haven't even gone to the effort of analysing how he compared to inzi as captain as that should be enough.

Harris time will come.
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Which attacking players do we have bar Jamshed? We have Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Misbah, Younis Khan, Asad Shafiq & Shoaib Malik to some extent as the 'solid' players.

Our ODI line up is doing poor because the SR of the batsman and Misbah has one of the worst SR there. Misbah being the oldest should go if we are to win games. W63 do you agree with this?
 
How properly he used Mohammad Irfan .... there were 3 overs still left from Junaid Khan and Umar Gul :facepalm:
 
FACTS

Misbah - Pakistan's leading ODI run scorer in 2012

Misbah - Most 50+ scores and highest average in 2011

Won 20 ODIs out of 32 as captain
 
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BD is so so right

We got TUK TUK TUK TUK TUK TUK and TUK

if we had to chase 250, we would never made it #fact
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Do you play 1st XI league cricket?

No, you just watch Imran Nazir and Umar Akmal
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I don't need to play 1st league cricket to understand cricket.

& no I don't 'just' watch Nazir & Umar. I watch cricket from around the world. All formats and I watch all players.

I'm not saying I don't want these 'solid' players in the line up. I want Hafeez & Azhar there but I do NOT want Misbah.

You clearly don't understand cricket if you think Misbah is doing a good job for Pak in ODI's.
 
W63L35 said:
Sorry.. I missed that.... but here is the reality.... Pakistani batsmen has in general worse S/R than other batsmen from other team. I did an in depth analysis in this thread... read that.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=147236

My question is... why just pick on Misbah who at least has best average?
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Because he plays in the middle order where strike rotation is the key. Even Fawad average close to a 40 but no one regards him to be as important as Misbah.

:fawad

The reason people are so eager to see the back of Misbah is that We have found some valuable ODI players in UA, Shafiq and even Fawad. After a long time Pakistan has solved the openers problem in ODIs and people want to find out if we have more Nasir Jamsheds and Azhar Alis waiting in the squad.
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Do you play 1st XI league cricket?

Are you an ECB qualified coach?

No, you just watch Imran Nazir and Umar Akmal
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Are these the requirements to understand cricket? No they are not. You just bring out the most pointless random statements out don't you.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Which attacking players do we have bar Jamshed? We have Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Misbah, Younis Khan, Asad Shafiq & Shoaib Malik to some extent as the 'solid' players.
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Umar Akmal?
He is the one of the ONLY four Pakistani batsmen to appear in this list.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=5369119&postcount=38

Bullet Drive said:
Our ODI line up is doing poor because the SR of the batsman and Misbah has one of the worst SR there. Misbah being the oldest should go if we are to win games. W63 do you agree with this?
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I agree..(with bold parts) but while other batsmen have similar S/R as Misbah.... but in his case, he has much better average than others....
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
FACTS

Misbah - Pakistan's leading ODI run scorer in 2012

Misbah - Most 50+ scores and highest average in 2012

Won 20 ODIs out of 32 as captain
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What's his SR during that time? SR wouldn't matter if those games had been won. SR clearly matters as those games have been lost.

Yes the 20 ODI's he's won are mainly against Bangladesh, Ireland, Zimbabwe & SL.
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Try telling that to Imran Khan, Rameez Raja and Aamir Sohail :)))

Problem is, T20 is your favourite format
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'Misbah is not an ODI cricketer' - Ramiz Raja.

& actually T20 is not my favourite format. Where have you got this information from? Clearly your wrong. Your just wrong at everything aren't you.
 
Good Thread, Good Post, Some posters making sense but i have had enough of these haters, they are not nuetral, they just support a single or a few cricketers and if another cricketer comes in his favorite cricketers way then they start launching attacks. Such as someone here hates Asad Shafiq. And even when he heard Asad was injured he seemed happy and said ---- cricketer should replace him at No.6. Not worried about Asad getting well soon, not worried about Pakistan losing a cricketer for an important tour but worried about his favorite cricketer. As you have seen i maybe a Misbah supporter but i try to be as nuetral as i can. I support Pakistan.

Coming back to Misbah, people just hate that he replaced Afridi as a captain and lost us Mohali, yet Mohali wasnt Misbah's fault only.

@Ahson Afzal
 
I think we need to change ODI side, enough of his tuk tuks

We need player who can rotate the strike in middle orders (Harris Sohail, Umar Akmal instead of Misbah and Younis (only preforms against India or Hong Kong)

Umar Akmal is better batsman than Misbah in ODI #fact
 
Proper sides

Won 6 ODIs vs Sri Lanka
Won 2 ODIs vs India
Won 1 ODI vs Australia

Minnows

Won 5 ODIs vs Bangladesh
Won 3 ODIs vs Zimbabwe

Associates

Won 2 vs Ireland
Won 1 vs Afghanistan

Only captained once at home

Doing a terrific job if you ask most experts
 
adnanulhaq97 said:
Good Thread, Good Post, Some posters making sense but i have had enough of these haters, they are not nuetral, they just support a single or a few cricketers and if another cricketer comes in his favorite cricketers way then they start launching attacks. Such as someone here hates Asad Shafiq. And even when he heard Asad was injured he seemed happy and said ---- cricketer should replace him at No.6. Not worried about Asad getting well soon, not worried about Pakistan losing a cricketer for an important tour but worried about his favorite cricketer. As you have seen i maybe a Misbah supporter but i try to be as nuetral as i can. I support Pakistan.

Coming back to Misbah, people just hate that he replaced Afridi as a captain and lost us Mohali, yet Mohali wasnt Misbah's fault only.

@Ahson Afzal
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If your referring to me can you please post what I said.
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Proper sides

Won 6 ODIs vs Sri Lanka
Won 2 ODIs vs India
Won 1 ODI vs Australia

Minnows

Won 5 ODIs vs Bangladesh
Won 3 ODIs vs Zimbabwe

Associates

Won 2 vs Ireland
Won 1 vs Afghanistan

Only captained once at home

Doing a terrific job if you ask most experts
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So Misbah has won 9 out of 21 games as ODI captain? This is of course against real teams.
 
I will tell all his flaws right now

First is Bopara cameback to his ODI side against Pakistan in UAE.

Bopara was clearly feeling the pressure after another comeback, he was 8* (25b), instead of applying more pressure, he spreads out the feild to give him easy single and he went to make a 50[ and partnership of 131 with cook]

In the first match there were 107 singles, 19 twos and 2 there. Bopora had 25 singles in his innings and that what you great captaincy of MISBAH.

This happened in the the whole sereis , we never applied the pressure and played the defensive game then went on to loose 4-0

This is parnership of Cook and Bopra in middle overs and see how singles and double were available, that called crap and defensive captaincy.




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Look at first thirty overs of three ODI against England and see how many wickets we have taken in that overs

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Great Captaincy of Misbah #UltraDefensive



He is crap ODI captain, plain and simple
 
Bullet Drive said:
'Misbah is not an ODI cricketer' - Ramiz Raja.

& actually T20 is not my favourite format. Where have you got this information from? Clearly your wrong. Your just wrong at everything aren't you.
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Says a bloke who batted 47 overs in a run chase with 1 boundary

Says a bloke who got 2 from 67 balls on test debut

I watched the programme live and he didn't actually say that. I know you won't understand because you don't know Urdu, but what he said is they are not ODI specialists.
 
Atleast some people have sense here. Misbah's time is near and should be too bit remember that he doesnt deserve to bashed like that tuk tuk.Misbah doesnt care what you say but what about his son heh. How much how tuk tuk will his children have to go through
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Says a bloke who batted 47 overs in a run chase with 1 boundary

Says a bloke who got 2 from 67 balls on test debut

I watched the programme live and he didn't actually say that. I know you won't understand because you don't know Urdu, but what he said is they are not ODI specialists.
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LOL so first you point to Ramiz Raja when you say 'Try telling that to Imran Khan, Rameez Raja and Aamir Sohail'

but when Ramiz says something against Misbah you say 'Says a bloke who batted 47 overs in a run chase with 1 boundary'

Come on BBC, what's wrong ? :(
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
Bangladesh have beaten New Zealand and West Indies and Sri Lanka and India at home
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This! They were a pretty good side at home this year and Misbah did well to whitewash the Bangladesh team in the Bangladesh series and then beat them twice again in the Asia Cup
Regarding Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan, I can agree that they are minnows
 
I still consider him a very good Test captain but a very aveage ODI captain
 
Misbah is a stand-out individual and so sharply divides opinion, like an Afridi a Tendulkar or a Pietersen does.

To be frank I have as little time for the angry begrudging haters of Misbah as I do the drooling and insecure defensive fanboys of Misbah (and the latter is more widely represented here I'm afraid).

The truth about Misbah-ul-Haq lies somewhere in the middle. He has been a gun player and a fine servant, but sometimes he failed at very important and memorable junctures, and so is unavoidably due some criticism particularly for his mistakes in LOIs.

It will naturally for a 40 year-old be time to retire soon. Hopefully he will be held in warm regard down the years, particularly by appreciators of Test cricket.
 
Ahson Afzal said:
This! They were a pretty good side at home this year and Misbah did well to whitewash the Bangladesh team in the Bangladesh series and then beat them twice again in the Asia Cup
Regarding Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan, I can agree that they are minnows
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They also beat England in the World Cup
 
was this not same BD last year that got out on 57 by WI in WC2011 and we played same team in same year, don't mislead by comparing 2011 team to 2012 #Idiots
 
shah_1 said:
was this not same BD last year that got out on 57 by WI in WC2011 and we played same team in same year, don't mislead by comparing 2011 team to 2012 #Idiots
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in 2010 they beat New Zealand 4-0

in the same WC they beat England

they are allowed to have the odd off day
 
He isnt getting any younger. And from the position he bats, he should be the finisher. With Misbahs batting, it is as if there is a lack of intent. There will be tuk tuks and I dont mind that and then suddenly out of no where will come a big hit. He can hit big, and score faster, there isn't any doubt about that. He just needs to do that more often. Stop stretching games and instead grab the game by the neck.
 
I respect for what he has done in Test cricket and for me nothing in ODI.

He is one of the best Pakistan captain that pakistan had got after so many years in Test cricket
 
James said:
Misbah is a stand-out individual and so sharply divides opinion, like an Afridi a Tendulkar or a Pietersen does.

To be frank I have as little time for the angry begrudging haters of Misbah as I do the drooling and insecure defensive fanboys of Misbah (and the latter is more widely represented here I'm afraid).

The truth about Misbah-ul-Haq lies somewhere in the middle. He has been a gun player and a fine servant, but sometimes he failed at very important and memorable junctures, and so is unavoidably due some criticism particularly for his mistakes in LOIs.

It will naturally for a 40 year-old be time to retire soon. Hopefully he will be held in warm regard down the years, particularly by appreciators of Test cricket.
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Might I say this is the best post on Misbah I have read in a while?
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
in 2010 they beat New Zealand 4-0

in the same WC they beat England

they are allowed to have the odd off day
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odd? It is widely known that Bangladesh are a minnow. Every minnow tastes a bit of success at some point.

Even Kenya were world cup semi finalists.
 
Bangladesh had off days :)))

they fluked against England otherwise they were pretty crap in 2011
 
shah_1 said:
was this not same BD last year that got out on 57 by WI in WC2011 and we played same team in same year, don't mislead by comparing 2011 team to 2012 #Idiots
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So you take that performance by Bangladesh and very comfortably disregard their performances in the recently concluded series. Nice, very nice :)
 
Bullet Drive said:
I do NOT respect a selfish cricketer.
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1. Misbah is not selfish, look what he did for your test team, brought it back from the bottom to top. Look what selfish people like Butt,Asif, Amir did but he revived you through a tough time.

2. Your statement goes for Umar too
 
Misbah is not selfish cricket but a very limited cricketer in ODI

#Simple
 
adnanulhaq97 said:
1. Misbah is not selfish, look what he did for your test team, brought it back from the bottom to top. Look what selfish people like Butt,Asif, Amir did but he revived you through a tough time.

2. Your statement goes for Umar too
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I've always supported Misbah as a test cricketer so I don't know why your bringing test cricket into this.

I'm completely talking about limited overs cricket where Misbah is selfish.
 
W63L35 said:
So you are saying ...... both batsmen are have the same value?

Batsman A:
Ave: 30 S/R: 80
Multiplier: 2400

Batman B:
Ave: 20 S/R: 100
Multiplier: 2400
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Something of that nature.

Ideally you would divide the SR by 100 before u used it. (That would give u an "adjusted average" result at the end)

Even better the AVE used for this would be half way between an average with NOs and average without NOs. (Thus reducing the value given to an NO.

Only use runs against top7 nations. (Exclude minnows)


As an example.


Misbah.

Ave = 41.
SR = 74

Adj AVE = 36
Adj AVE SR = 0.74

Overall adjusted AVE = 26.7



Don't use manipulated years- just use the entire career of a player.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Was a quality post. Agree
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As quality of a post it is you cant support him one bit. It is not Misbah selfish but people like you who call him names. They are people like you who are bullies. Could you do better in Misbah's position. Could tou be fot at the age of 38. NO. Misbah has worked hard he tried and he got in the team by working hard and not politics
 
Bullet Drive said:
Which attacking players do we have bar Jamshed? We have Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Misbah, Younis Khan, Asad Shafiq & Shoaib Malik to some extent as the 'solid' players.

Our ODI line up is doing poor because the SR of the batsman and Misbah has one of the worst SR there. Misbah being the oldest should go if we are to win games. W63 do you agree with this?
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Misbah is the best of the solid players.
 
James said:
Misbah is a stand-out individual and so sharply divides opinion, like an Afridi a Tendulkar or a Pietersen does.

To be frank I have as little time for the angry begrudging haters of Misbah as I do the drooling and insecure defensive fanboys of Misbah (and the latter is more widely represented here I'm afraid).

The truth about Misbah-ul-Haq lies somewhere in the middle. He has been a gun player and a fine servant, but sometimes he failed at very important and memorable junctures, and so is unavoidably due some criticism particularly for his mistakes in LOIs.

It will naturally for a 40 year-old be time to retire soon. Hopefully he will be held in warm regard down the years, particularly by appreciators of Test cricket.
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Great post!
The reason this thread was made isn't because I am a blind fanboy but because he gets too much unwarranted criticism.
 
adnanulhaq97 said:
As quality of a post it is you cant support him one bit. It is not Misbah selfish but people like you who call him names. They are people like you who are bullies. Could you do better in Misbah's position. Could tou be fot at the age of 38. NO. Misbah has worked hard he tried and he got in the team by working hard and not politics
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LOOL I support Misbah in test cricket. I want him to do well in ODI's but he simply cannot. When he goes out to bat I whole heartedly can say that I 110 wishes he does well. I yesterday wanted Misbah to finish the game off for Pakistan but it didn't happen. I genuinely want Misbah to do well but he cannot. Also I do NOT call him names. I've called him selfish but that's not a name is it?

& could I do better? Who knows. Contact Zaka Ashraf and ask him to let me be the ODI captain for a bit.
 
James said:
Misbah is a stand-out individual and so sharply divides opinion, like an Afridi a Tendulkar or a Pietersen does.

To be frank I have as little time for the angry begrudging haters of Misbah as I do the drooling and insecure defensive fanboys of Misbah (and the latter is more widely represented here I'm afraid).

The truth about Misbah-ul-Haq lies somewhere in the middle. He has been a gun player and a fine servant, but sometimes he failed at very important and memorable junctures, and so is unavoidably due some criticism particularly for his mistakes in LOIs.

It will naturally for a 40 year-old be time to retire soon. Hopefully he will be held in warm regard down the years, particularly by appreciators of Test cricket.
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Good post .

The only thing I would add is that as a captain he is exceptional for Pakistan.
 
Misbah should give up in ODI after this series, with his technique and old age in WC2015 he wouldn't able to play in AUS and NZ.

Give someone a chance for captaincy to groom for WC2015 (Asad Shafiq, Junaid Khan, Nasir Jameshed and Hafeez
 
Bullet Drive said:
LOOL I support Misbah in test cricket. I want him to do well in ODI's but he simply cannot. When he goes out to bat I whole heartedly can say that I 110 wishes he does well. I yesterday wanted Misbah to finish the game off for Pakistan but it didn't happen. I genuinely want Misbah to do well but he cannot. Also I do NOT call him names. I've called him selfish but that's not a name is it?

& could I do better? Who knows. Contact Zaka Ashraf and ask him to let me be the ODI captain for a bit.
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1. You call him tuk tuk
2. If you were good enpugh im sure you would be playing domestic. Not to offend you.
 
For those criticising Misbahs strike rate.

Can someone tell me Inzis strike rate against non minnows.

Please.
 
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