The NRR issue

[Saj]

So looking at the table Pakistan's NRR was 0.605 worse than New Zealands.

Where and when do you feel Pakistan could have impoved their NRR?

What were the missed opportunities?

 

[Chokli]

The West Indies match - A 100 over contest ending in 35 overs.

 

[srh]

Pakistan's Net Run Rate is 3rd lowest in WC 2019

Afghanistan has the lowest Net Run Rate (-1.322), Sri Lanka has the 2nd lowest Net Run Rate (-0.934) and then Pakistan has the 3rd lowest Net Run Rate (-0.43). Embarrassing.

 

[PCTPost2019]

After the first loss, NRR helping us go to the semis was out of the question.

 

[pakistani pride]

OK genius based on 1 match basically.
Keep crying.

 

[Madplayer]

2 west indies matches caused issues for Pakistan

West Indies vs Pakistan where Pakistan got thrashed.

West Indies vs NZ where braithwaite got caught at the boundary when 6 runs were needed.

 

[aloo paratha]

Most obvious one is not losing to the Windies so badly. But the one that was the easiest to fix was that game against South Africa. We should've won that game by 100ish runs, but our fielding was terrible. We dropped many catches, although they never looked in the game, we allowed them to get closer than we should have.

One other point we may not realize is the game against Australia. Sarfraz shouldn't have taken that single. We should have at least played out the 50 overs even if we couldn't win.

 

[pakistani pride]

Again it was just based on one match. I still say rain played a bigger part.

 

[Tiger96]

Should have won against NZ and Afghanistan with few overs to spare, should have shown some urgency instead of taking match till the last over.

Even the defeat against India was huge in terms of runs.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Excluding WI match as it was the match where they were caught off guard. You don't plan on NRR while you are batting first in the first match of your world cup. May be they could have bowled negative bowling and forced them to use up more overs.

Against Afghanistan and NZ they could have chased better. They should have attacked from the get go. Especially when Afghanistan lost their front line seamer very early it was the perfect opportunity to cash in. Same way against India, India lost Bhuvi very early in the piece. But they were struggling against spinners.

 

[rhony]

There was no coming back on NRR after the WI game

 

[Plumb]

For me the SL washout was the biggest robbery off course we can't control weather but that game cost us big time.

To be honest we need to play against big teams more often. WC shows the more we get challenged, the better we respond. Keep playing SL, Zim, Ireland where we don't get challenged and run throw them gives us false sense of security

 

[shane]

Probably the match against Afghanistan. I know that Pakistan were really just focused on winning it rather than NRR, but perhaps if they had tried to win it big then they would have succeeded. Instead they decided they would do the bare minimum and let other teams finish the job for them. It was a fair call but it backfired.

 

[saeed5646]

It was not written in the skies. If brathwaite had a hit that six against nz we would have different situation. Nz luck favor them first against india then against w.i

 

[Kroll]

2 west indies matches caused issues for Pakistan

West Indies vs Pakistan where Pakistan got thrashed.

West Indies vs NZ where braithwaite got caught at the boundary when 6 runs were needed.

And there was one full over left but "Remember the Name" had to go for the glory shot.

 

[nads_rocks]

Everything began with the West Indies Loss but then losing to India and Australia didnt help the NRR at all infact Australia game was one we had in the bag until we imploded.
India well lets not go there.

When they got in to the do or die they won the games but ignored the NRR.

The perfect chances to improvise were chasing low total against New Zealand instead of taking it to the final over, had they chased it and won with say 7 overs or 8 to spare it would have changed the whole NRR scenario for today.

Infact they also blew their biggest chance when they had to chase 228 and it took them to the last ball to chase it, that was the killer blow because that was the game to bring up your NRR and destroy the afghans and chase it in 35th over.

Take them 2 games and your looking at a semi final spot for Pakistan today but as with every tournament Pakistan lose lose come back but ignore the basics and never have a back up plan or a tactic or a strategy.

Everyone claims Pak players are the greatest players of spin but its spin that really killed them and slowed them down to the point where they could not even buy a run let alone a boundary

 

[jnaveen1980]

It was not written in the skies. If brathwaite had a hit that six against nz we would have different situation. Nz luck favor them first against india then against w.i

It was almost like NZ was destined to get to the semi final. Don't want to insult them just because they got a bit of luck here and there right through the world cup. But Pakistan overcame tougher assignments.

This is where the fixture can become a lottery. Anyone facing WI in the backend did not have to worry about facing Andre Russell as he was out with injury. Pakistan was up against the 80% fit Russell instead of 50% fit Russell. Also Gayle's performance started getting worse in the backend. Collectively WI became worse and worse in the backend.

 

[MenInG]

New Zealand are professional fun-spoilers - they never win the cup but make sure others dont either

 

[Hasan123]

We should not have lost the West Indies game that bad. Once we were 4 out, we should have just tried to bat the 50 overs that way we would have gotten to a competitive score and could have ran West Indies closer.

Everyone talks about the Australia game being close. We still lost by 40 odd runs and bowled out inside the 50 overs. We should have fielded better but when Wahab and Sarfraz were batting the aim should have been to take the game close as Australia had still 1 over from a part timer left.

Against India our fielding was poor, in the batting once Babar got out we should have just tried to bat the 50 overs as were never going to win after he got out.

Against NZ, they should not have gotten to 238. Imad and Shadab bowled poorly as shown by Santner. They should have gotten to 170is which we would have chased more easily. Also when we were batting Babar and Haris should have been more aggressive when we needed 50 to win yet the game still went down to the last over.

Against Afghanistan, we should have restricted to them to less. But to be honest our batters should have chased that down quicker. We panicked when Babar got out. Had he carried on batting, we would have chased that down in about 40 overs.

Against England we dropped Root early, had we gotten him out early I think England would not have gotten that game close like they did. Against South Africa they got 67 off about 9 overs. I can remember during this game, I was just wanting a wicket every ball towards the end as I was worried about NRR then!!!!!

Overall in all games we had a chance to get the NR closer to NZ. I think blaming it on rain versus Sri Lanka is just burying your head in the sand. In all these games above it exposed why we aren’t good enough to compete in all departments.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you ask me both BD and Pak played better cricket.

 

[Captain caveman]

New Zealand are professional fun-spoilers - they never win the cup but make sure others dont either

Maybe its their year!
Certainly luck has been on their side!

 

[JibranAnsari]

LOL we were quite lucky against afghanistan though , that was the match we should have aimed to win in 35 overs.

 

[rhony]

New Zealand are professional fun-spoilers - they never win the cup but make sure others dont either

They are very savvy. They play the percentage game to get into the knockouts every time. Obviously they aren't good enough to win the cup though

 

[Captain caveman]

We should not have lost the West Indies game that bad. Once we were 4 out, we should have just tried to bat the 50 overs that way we would have gotten to a competitive score and could have ran West Indies closer.

Everyone talks about the Australia game being close. We still lost by 40 odd runs and bowled out inside the 50 overs. We should have fielded better but when Wahab and Sarfraz were batting the aim should have been to take the game close as Australia had still 1 over from a part timer left.

Against India our fielding was poor, in the batting once Babar got out we should have just tried to bat the 50 overs as were never going to win after he got out.

Against NZ, they should not have gotten to 238. Imad and Shadab bowled poorly as shown by Santner. They should have gotten to 170is which we would have chased more easily. Also when we were batting Babar and Haris should have been more aggressive when we needed 50 to win yet the game still went down to the last over.

Against Afghanistan, we should have restricted to them to less. But to be honest our batters should have chased that down quicker. We panicked when Babar got out. Had he carried on batting, we would have chased that down in about 40 overs.

Against England we dropped Root early, had we gotten him out early I think England would not have gotten that game close like they did. Against South Africa they got 67 off about 9 overs. I can remember during this game, I was just wanting a wicket every ball towards the end as I was worried about NRR then!!!!!

Overall in all games we had a chance to get the NR closer to NZ. I think blaming it on rain versus Sri Lanka is just burying your head in the sand. In all these games above it exposed why we aren’t good enough to compete in all departments.

We are unprofessional!

 

[shane]

A lot of blaming and finger-pointing going on here. Brathwaite, NRR, New Zealand, West Indies, rain.....I'm still waiting for someone to chime in with BCCI.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan also had the highest dropped catches. 17 if i am right.

 

[Hasan123]

We are unprofessional!

Agreed. Look at NZ, they ensured against England and Australia that they face most of the overs so their NRR isn’t affected. We should have done the same against India, Australia, and West Indies so NRR wasn’t affected.

 

[Madplayer]

And there was one full over left but "Remember the Name" had to go for the glory shot.

Exactly. Looking back at such small moments you just say to yourself "what if"

 

[Captain caveman]

They are very savvy. They play the percentage game to get into the knockouts every time. Obviously they aren't good enough to win the cup though

I think you mean professional!
It may be their year!

 

[Syed1]

If WI had chased the score in 20 overs instead of 13.4 our NRR after the first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8 and we would have qualified for the semi despite the horror show with the bat against WI. Small margins.

 

[Captain caveman]

Agreed. Look at NZ, they ensured against England and Australia that they face most of the overs so their NRR isn’t affected. We should have done the same against India, Australia, and West Indies so NRR wasn’t affected.

I bet you our captain and players didn't even know this!

 

[PaceOverEverything]

1. Statistics are simply a reflection of who you are. If you want to improve statistics you must change yourself.

2. Focus must placed on batsmen piercing the field and acquiring singles and doubles. The powerplays seems to provide Pakistani batsmen with the myopic view that they must only score boundaries.

 

[Captain caveman]

If WI had chased the score in 20 overs instead of 13.4 our NRR after the first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8 and we would have qualified for the semi despite the horror show with the bat against WI. Small margins.

You are making me feel worse, if thats possible!

 

[JibranAnsari]

If WI had chased the score in 20 overs instead of 13.4 our NRR after the first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8 and we would have qualified for the semi despite the horror show with the bat against WI. Small margins.

not really , the match must have gone to 43.3 overs to match the nrr of nz.

 

[farazaidi]

People continue to blame one match against the WI for NRR but the fact is even if we remove that game from the equation, we still wouldnt have qualified.


PAK NRR -0.43

If WI had chased down 105 in 50 overs,
PAK NRR 0.104
NZ NRR 0.175

The fact is throughout the WC we've ignored NRR and it is evident by the press conference of Sarfraz. He was surprised and very disappointed at the big margin they had to win by in the last game. Meaning they were not aware of the NRR situation throughout the tournament. Criminal offence and all support staff should be fired straight away for this only.

 

[farazaidi]

If WI had chased the score in 20 overs instead of 13.4 our NRR after the first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8 and we would have qualified for the semi despite the horror show with the bat against WI. Small margins.

wrong completely. Even if WI had chased it down in 50 overs, we still wouldnt have qualified.

 

[Captain caveman]

If WI had chased the score in 20 overs instead of 13.4 our NRR after the first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8 and we would have qualified for the semi despite the horror show with the bat against WI. Small margins.

Basically, gayles knock, knocked us out!

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pakistan was caught off guard against the Windies and lost their SF berth due to one match. I don’t think one match should have so much impact on your qualification. Overall, Pakistan played better than NZ in more matches. This is like a player scoring 220 (against a minnow), 40, 30, 10 (rest 3 against better teams) being termed a better performer than the one who scored 80, 40, 110, 60.

 

[Mamoon]

I am certain no one in the Pakistan camp is aware of how the NRR is calculated. We are a thoroughly unprofessional side and we paid a price for it.

After the West Indies debacle, we still had opportunities to improve our NRR but we failed to capitalize.

 

[murtuza.husain]

The team, be it the management or players (irrelevant really) did not have the foresight to keep NTR in check. This isn’t new though, Pakistan often appears dejected and it seems they give up when they feel they cannot win a game. If they played tuk tuk against West Indies once the win was unattainable and if they irked out a few more runs against India we would have gone through. Strangely though, this do or die attitude does contribute in part to the josh and jazba that Pakistan cricket brings to a tournament. Not saying I like it but this is part of the teams mercurial allure that fascinates.

However the fact remains that NRR could have been -200, if they had not have dropped the game against Australia they would be sitting in the semis now.

Pakistan Zindabad.

 

[Captain caveman]

people continue to blame one match against the wi for nrr but the fact is even if we remove that game from the equation, we still wouldnt have qualified.


Pak nrr -0.43

if wi had chased down 105 in 50 overs,
pak nrr 0.104
nz nrr 0.175

the fact is throughout the wc we've ignored nrr and it is evident by the press conference of sarfraz. He was surprised and very disappointed at the big margin they had to win by in the last game. Meaning they were not aware of the nrr situation throughout the tournament. Criminal offence and all support staff should be fired straight away for this only.

are all the imam fans taking note!!
Killed again by tuk tuk!
Thanks misbah and now thank you imam!!!

 

[Syed1]

wrong completely. Even if WI had chased it down in 50 overs, we still wouldnt have qualified.

not really , the match must have gone to 43.3 overs to match the nrr of nz.

Bhai why are you comparing Pak NRR scenario after 1st match vs NZ final NRR after 9 matches. The difference between Pak and NZ after 9 matches is 0.6 roughly. Had Pak not been beaten so badly by WI our NRR after first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8. Therefore, keeping all other results the same and every thing else exactly as it happened our NRR would have been +1 compared to NZ instead of -0.6 right now.

 

[Hasan123]

I bet you our captain and players didn't even know this!

That just shows how unprofessional we are.

Also not selecting a specialist spinner cost us. Had we had one versus NZ and Afghanistan we would have dismissed them for cheaper scores which we would have chased well before 50 overs.

All round bad planning that’s why I refuse to say we were unlucky not to get through. It is our fault entirely.

 

[farazaidi]

We should not have lost the West Indies game that bad. Once we were 4 out, we should have just tried to bat the 50 overs that way we would have gotten to a competitive score and could have ran West Indies closer.

Everyone talks about the Australia game being close. We still lost by 40 odd runs and bowled out inside the 50 overs. We should have fielded better but when Wahab and Sarfraz were batting the aim should have been to take the game close as Australia had still 1 over from a part timer left.

Against India our fielding was poor, in the batting once Babar got out we should have just tried to bat the 50 overs as were never going to win after he got out.

Against NZ, they should not have gotten to 238. Imad and Shadab bowled poorly as shown by Santner. They should have gotten to 170is which we would have chased more easily. Also when we were batting Babar and Haris should have been more aggressive when we needed 50 to win yet the game still went down to the last over.

Against Afghanistan, we should have restricted to them to less. But to be honest our batters should have chased that down quicker. We panicked when Babar got out. Had he carried on batting, we would have chased that down in about 40 overs.

Against England we dropped Root early, had we gotten him out early I think England would not have gotten that game close like they did. Against South Africa they got 67 off about 9 overs. I can remember during this game, I was just wanting a wicket every ball towards the end as I was worried about NRR then!!!!!

Overall in all games we had a chance to get the NR closer to NZ. I think blaming it on rain versus Sri Lanka is just burying your head in the sand. In all these games above it exposed why we aren’t good enough to compete in all departments.

spot on !

This is what I've been saying it all along, our team and players are simply not aware of the importance of NRR hence we never pushed to improve it.

 

[Captain caveman]

I am certain no one in the Pakistan camp is aware of how the NRR is calculated. We are a thoroughly unprofessional side and we paid a price for it.

After the West Indies debacle, we still had opportunities to improve our NRR but we failed to capitalize.

I can't believe i am agreeing with you!

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

You can talk about NRR all you want, but there was more to it. One bad match doesn't mean that you are done.

Pak has suffered the most because of the English weather out of all the teams. They lost a point against SL and then chose to bowl first when they would have batted first.

It just wasn't meant to be for Pakistan. In general we played well in this WC. A lot better compared to previous WC's.

In this new format consistency gets rewarded the reason top 3 of the ICC is there in the semis. A knock out situation couldn't save Pak this time.

 

[shockbound]

As long as Imam and Babar are playing at 1 and 3, we should forget about improving our NRR.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Bhai why are you comparing Pak NRR scenario after 1st match vs NZ final NRR after 9 matches. The difference between Pak and NZ after 9 matches is 0.6 roughly. Had Pak not been beaten so badly by WI our NRR after first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8. Therefore, keeping all other results the same and every thing else exactly as it happened our NRR would have been +1 compared to NZ instead of -0.6 right now.

it doesnt work like that bro , the net run rate is cummulative run rate. Start adding things after that and you will reach the same point we are at right now.

 

[Hasan123]

spot on !

This is what I've been saying it all along, our team and players are simply not aware of the importance of NRR hence we never pushed to improve it.

In the World T20, it’s something we need to keep an eye on. Once we can’t win a game, our aim should be to take it as close as possible. Also for future WCs.

But not being aware of NRR shows the incompetence and how unprofessional we are.

 

[JibranAnsari]

I am certain no one in the Pakistan camp is aware of how the NRR is calculated. We are a thoroughly unprofessional side and we paid a price for it.

After the West Indies debacle, we still had opportunities to improve our NRR but we failed to capitalize.

we were barely winning matches let alone improve the net run rate.

 

[Surya Kiran]

The match against Afghanistan, they could have gone harder to win with overs to spare to improve their run rate

 

[CleverSir]

Personally I think in a league situation like this, the Head-to-head match up should be the first tie-breaker followed by NRR

 

[nextover666666]

The West Indies match for sure but the thing is they weren't thinking about the net run rate that game which is dumb cuz they should have , they just needed to bat 50 over heck even 40 would help. But Pakistan management doesn't go over there things in fact after that game I'm sure that's when they brought it up I find they could have tried to improve it with the India game, and more importantly the South African the fact they dropped 7 catches just tells the story that match could have ended earlier and that would have helped as well

 

[Napa]

Bhai why are you comparing Pak NRR scenario after 1st match vs NZ final NRR after 9 matches. The difference between Pak and NZ after 9 matches is 0.6 roughly. Had Pak not been beaten so badly by WI our NRR after first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8. Therefore, keeping all other results the same and every thing else exactly as it happened our NRR would have been +1 compared to NZ instead of -0.6 right now.

Some of the worst math I have ever seen from an engineering graduate.

 

[farazaidi]

Bhai why are you comparing Pak NRR scenario after 1st match vs NZ final NRR after 9 matches. The difference between Pak and NZ after 9 matches is 0.6 roughly. Had Pak not been beaten so badly by WI our NRR after first match would have been -3.2 instead of -5.8. Therefore, keeping all other results the same and every thing else exactly as it happened our NRR would have been +1 compared to NZ instead of -0.6 right now.

No bro you're getting the calculations all wrong. I've done these calculations in excel, check attachment.

 

[pakistani pride]

Excluding WI match as it was the match where they were caught off guard. You don't plan on NRR while you are batting first in the first match of your world cup. May be they could have bowled negative bowling and forced them to use up more overs.

Against Afghanistan and NZ they could have chased better. They should have attacked from the get go. Especially when Afghanistan lost their front line seamer very early it was the perfect opportunity to cash in. Same way against India, India lost Bhuvi very early in the piece. But they were struggling against spinners.

Be rear for a change. What front line bowler? Afghan team is all about spin. On that track it wasnt easy to chase vs 4 spinners. We have seen chasing is very tough in this WC but PAK chased in back 2 back games under huge pressure.

Huge props to the team.

 

[farazaidi]

In the World T20, it’s something we need to keep an eye on. Once we can’t win a game, our aim should be to take it as close as possible. Also for future WCs.

But not being aware of NRR shows the incompetence and how unprofessional we are.

Not really. We should step up the NRR from first game so even if we have a bad day, our NRR should still carry us through. Unfortunately we never start early and always play catch up. We need to stop doing this for good

 

[farazaidi]

we were barely winning matches let alone improve the net run rate.

The point is team management were completely unaware of it. You can see the press conference of Sarfraz before the Bangladesh match and you'll be shocked to hear his comments. He was like "we were hoping that NRR equation would be acheivable but when it came infront of us we were all disappointed and disheartened."

Like they just checked NRR equation before Bangladesh game and never even looked it before

 

[Hasan123]

Not really. We should step up the NRR from first game so even if we have a bad day, our NRR should still carry us through. Unfortunately we never start early and always play catch up. We need to stop doing this for good

That’s fair as well. I just mean if we are in a loosing position, we should ensure we make it a close game so NRR isn’t affected.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

The thing is we never thought about improving NRR, we always thought we will win 5 and things will fall in place which many times do fall in place, not just this time. We had to had a bad game, and that was WI game. We have a mental block against India and we were never going to win that game. The Aus game was the game I will point finger to, we lost that game twice, once in bowling, at times 370 plus was very plausible and Amir pushed it back to 310 or so. Then we are cruising and as usual Imam gets out in weird fashion and Hafeez gifts the wicket. None the less we could have lost Afg game and we need to acknowledge that umpires and their captain took us to the finish line. All in all, lot of improvement needed but it was a slightly above average WC and I for one cannot complain.

 

[farazaidi]

2007 T20 tournament is the only good memory I have when Pakistan was the first team to qualify for semis while AUS, SL, IND, NZ & SA were all scrambling to qualify. That was probably the only time in history when we were the first team to qualify to knockout stage

 

[Ozeirk]

The net run rate calculation is not a fair way of determining which team is better as it basically depends on who scored the most runs in less number of overs but in cricket all matches are not equal as some are played on bowling pitches and other on batting pitches. Some teams get lucky to have most of their matches on flat pitches with score of 300 to 350 and they end up with a higher run rate and teams who might have beaten their opponents convincingly end up playing on low scoring pitches which in turn negatively affects their run rate. I believe the head to head record should come into play when two teams are on equal points.

 

[Thulsa]

Pakistan were not good enough. Simple. You struggled to break out of 6th place coming into the tournament and ended in a similar position - exactly as expected.

You failed to win convincingly and for some losses were too inept to bat through.

As expected, stop looking for a get out of jail free card and own this.

 

[Syed1]

No bro you're getting the calculations all wrong. I've done these calculations in excel, check attachment.
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Ok you are right. I was doing mental math of each match's NRR.... something like this:

Total NRR = Match 1 NRR + Match2 NRR + Match 3 NRR +...........

So in that equation if we just play around with Match 1 NRR it will have an effect on the whole total.

 

[barah_admi]

So looking at the table Pakistan's NRR was 0.605 worse than New Zealands.

Where and when do you feel Pakistan could have impoved their NRR?

What were the missed opportunities?

It was clearly the west Indies game. Remove that aberration and include a match against Sri Lanka and Pakistan would have usurped new Zealand

 

[Napa]

Ok you are right. I was doing mental math of each match's NRR.... something like this:

Total NRR = Match 1 NRR + Match2 NRR + Match 3 NRR +...........

So in that equation if we just play around with Match 1 NRR it will have an effect on the whole total.

If the NRR from each game of a 9 game series is 1, then the actual NRR at the end of the series is 1, and not 9 as your "equation" suggests. Weighting to find an average is one of the basic skills an engineer learns early on.

 

[Chokli]

2007 T20 tournament is the only good memory I have when Pakistan was the first team to qualify for semis while AUS, SL, IND, NZ & SA were all scrambling to qualify. That was probably the only time in history when we were the first team to qualify to knockout stage

We dominated that tournament! Would have won the final as well if Younis didn't play a maiden, Younis didn't run out Imran Nazir, Malik didn't play slowly and if this man cared for the country Afridi 0(1).

Misbah got us close but couldn't finish it off.

 

[Napa]

Biggest negative effect on the NRR was of course the WI game, followed by the 89 run loss to India. The remaining games were reasonably close, but certainly more positive impact was needed from the Afg game.

 

[On_the_up]

Just for the heck of it, what would be the NRR if you take the WI match out of it completely?

 

[mesmerizer85]

Let this be a lesson for our future WC matches and I bet this will hurt and linger for many months to come. Like we were almost there. And hopefully this will cause a change of approach to our game and mental awareness.

 

[DHONI183]

It pierces my heart to think that Pakistan last lost a match in the tournament on 12th June and yet are walking away from it based on net run-rate, despite having won four consecutive matches. It kind of makes me question many things when I see that New Zealand are the team who´ve qualified for the semi-finals ahead of them, a team which last won a match on 22nd June! If only, if only they hadn´t lost such one-sided matches against the West Indies and India, or if only after that they´d won their game against Australia - a match in which at one stage they looked all set to be chasing 308. If only.....

However, if for whatever reasons, whether it be luck, rain or anything, you don´t end up managing yourself within a system, it doesn´t mean that the system itself has to change. Net run-rate is still a fair tie-breaker for it reflects your overall performance in the tournament, whereas a head-to-head match system of tie-breaker would hang primarily on the result of one match - something which you can´t change anymore going forward in the tournament. Sometimes you just have to accept things as they´re and just say that it just wasn´t meant for you.

Australia, India and England were red hot favourites from the word go, and it always seemed that New Zealand would edge out Pakistan on points, as opposed to the net run-rate. So, for me at least, the semi-finalists were locked well before the beginning of the tournament itself. Not many gave this team a chance. Five to six weeks ago, if you´d told me that this Pakistan team would finish joint-fourth in terms of points and the fifth on the net run-rate, I wouldn´t have believed it perhaps. They beat the mighty England, ran Australia very close, beat South Africa and New Zealand (who were unbeaten in the tournament up to that point). Had a very, very close affair against Afghanistan but just brushed aside Bangladesh.

So I still think that this team can be overall proud of its effort. You don´t win always. Putting in a good performance too counts. This team wasn´t filled with stars either, so bear that too in mind. I´d rate this as Pakistan´s one of the very good showings at an ODI World Cup. Things just weren´t meant to be I suppose. Well done Sarfraraz and his team!

 

[Napa]

It pierces my heart to think that Pakistan last lost a match in the tournament on 12th June and yet are walking away from it based on net run-rate, despite having won four consecutive matches.

It is said that the human brain erases memories that are too painful to bear, like the game on June 16th!

It is true Pakistan was on a roll winning 4 consecutive games, and if Shaheen continued performing the way he had, it was quite possible they would have lifted the trophy. Would have loved to see if Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Dhoni and Pandya could have got the better of him, but it is not to be.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Remember WorldT20 2012? India had lower RR than Pakistan but had won head to head. Then where was this NRR thing?

 

[geraltofrivia]

It is said that the human brain erases memories that are too painful to bear, like the game on June 16th!

It is true Pakistan was on a roll winning 4 consecutive games, and if Shaheen continued performing the way he had, it was quite possible they would have lifted the trophy. Would have loved to see if Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Pant, Dhoni and Pandya could have got the better of him, but it is not to be.

smacked him all the way to oblivion in Dubai during Asia Cup 2018.

 

[hadi123]

It was the WI game really. If we didn't get thrashed to an abnormal level, the situation in today's game would have been a lot clearer, and would have been very possible to qualify. Also, it's the fielding that plays a part in this. The first priority should be to win every game, so I have no issues with the games vs NZ and Afghanistan being taken to the last over and I was simply delighted with the wins but dropped catches also really screwed with our NRR in other matches.

England match
Babar Azam dropped a regulation catch in the slips off Joe Root. At the time, we were just relieved it didn't cost us the match, but imagine what the winning margin would have been had it been taken. We won by 14 runs, that margin could have easily been 50+ had that catch been taken.

Australia game
Our fielding in that match was poor, our ground fielding as well as our catching, thanks to Malik and Asif Ali, neither of who could do much with the bat either. However, had our fielding been good in that match, we MOST LIKELY would have won the whole match altogether - in which case NRR wouldn't even matter, or had we lost, the margin would have been extremely close.

India game
I don't recall any huge fielding blunders apart from that missed run out of Rohit Sharma, but we just got absolutely thrashed in that game anyway, outplayed in all departments, can't dwell too much on one missed run out.


South Africa game
Anyone can probably remember that our fielding in the middle period once a win was more or less confirmed was dreadful, but I remembered today that QDK was also dropped super early on, in the 1st over of the chase. Again, at the time, we were all delighted it didn't cost us the match, but the winning margin could have been 100+ had we taken our chances and had we put more effort in ground fielding towards the end. And as I was at the stadium for that match, it was clear that the misfields/dropped catches towards the end was only because our players had switched off completely knowing the game was won, shows unprofessionalism, England were diving around against NZ when the win was confirmed while our team were just making basic errors and laughing them off as they know it didn't affect the end result

New Zealand game
I was at Edgbaston for this game, our fielding was okay, so no complains there. I also think we were right to just go for the win in the chase, some fans are saying we should have tried to chase it down in the 40th over but that's very easy to say now in hindsight, but back then there was still a lot of cricket to be played and obviously no one knows the future results. The only thing we could have done differently, is go for the kill when we had them at 83-5, could have got them out for less than 150. But have to give credit to Neesham and CDG, they played well

Afghanistan game
Again, people are saying we should have tried to chase it in 40 overs, but the win was the main priority, we need to respect the likes of Rashid Khan and Mujeeb, our fielding was fine that game. Maybe we could have also gone for the kill when Shaheen took 2 in 2, but they batted pretty well, Asghar played a good innings.


Conclusions:

Aside from the obvious reason which was our thrashing at the hands of WI, we need to be a lot more ruthless with our fielding. Regardless of if we are going to win a game or not, we need to save every single run possible, which is a sign of any professional team. No one drops catches on purpose, but the thing that frustrates me the most was our fielding performance against SA in the middle overs. It was clear our team knew the win was in the bag so weren't giving 100% in the field, was dropped catches and plenty of sloppy misfields.

Even today against Bangladesh when the win was in the bag, we were a bit sloppy in the field as it was clear the win was in the bag.

There's nothing that can be done now, but let's just hope Pakistan learn from this.

 

[ManFan]

1). West Indies game was a clear cut match so there are no ifs and buts. Our batsmen could not handle the short ball

2). The rained out game was not a guarantee but Pakistan would be favored.

3). Australia was also no chance for Pakistan as they needed 40 odd runs with a tail-ender and out-of-form batsman.

4). The biggest missed opportunity was Carlos Braithwaite wanting to be a hero AFTER getting his century. If he had played out the required runs and not wanted to end the game with a boundary, Pakistan would have qualified.

Small margins but that’s a part of the game.

Main priority right now is building for the next WC in India (which means a top-order that can handle spin and a middle-order that can dominate it). We desperately need a spinner, preferably off-spinner, who can pick wickets and not worry about economy.

Get rid of the buffoons in the middle-order, the clueless captain who does not merit a place in the team, and the opener with no technique.

Replace them with 20-25 year olds who have no prior scars and are hungry to prove themselves. With the new domestic cricket system, some of the golden oldies will be weeded out.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Babar Azam doesn’t score his runs flamboyantly enough and quickly enough
Shadab khan is no shane Warne, no match winning performances from him

 

[soulhunter]

Sarfraz is best player of spin bowling. He would be needed in India

 

[pakistani pride]

It pierces my heart to think that Pakistan last lost a match in the tournament on 12th June and yet are walking away from it based on net run-rate, despite having won four consecutive matches. It kind of makes me question many things when I see that New Zealand are the team who´ve qualified for the semi-finals ahead of them, a team which last won a match on 22nd June! If only, if only they hadn´t lost such one-sided matches against the West Indies and India, or if only after that they´d won their game against Australia - a match in which at one stage they looked all set to be chasing 308. If only.....

However, if for whatever reasons, whether it be luck, rain or anything, you don´t end up managing yourself within a system, it doesn´t mean that the system itself has to change. Net run-rate is still a fair tie-breaker for it reflects your overall performance in the tournament, whereas a head-to-head match system of tie-breaker would hang primarily on the result of one match - something which you can´t change anymore going forward in the tournament. Sometimes you just have to accept things as they´re and just say that it just wasn´t meant for you.

Australia, India and England were red hot favourites from the word go, and it always seemed that New Zealand would edge out Pakistan on points, as opposed to the net run-rate. So, for me at least, the semi-finalists were locked well before the beginning of the tournament itself. Not many gave this team a chance. Five to six weeks ago, if you´d told me that this Pakistan team would finish joint-fourth in terms of points and the fifth on the net run-rate, I wouldn´t have believed it perhaps. They beat the mighty England, ran Australia very close, beat South Africa and New Zealand (who were unbeaten in the tournament up to that point). Had a very, very close affair against Afghanistan but just brushed aside Bangladesh.

So I still think that this team can be overall proud of its effort. You don´t win always. Putting in a good performance too counts. This team wasn´t filled with stars either, so bear that too in mind. I´d rate this as Pakistan´s one of the very good showings at an ODI World Cup. Things just weren´t meant to be I suppose. Well done Sarfraraz and his team!

And maybe had your hero Dhoni showed some spine the run chase he would have gotten to the total. Instead he was playing for the draw.

such a loser!

 

[Abdullah719]