The ShawPant Redemption | The future of India's batting?

[Bhaijaan]

A fearless and technically sound opener at the top and a trail blazer wicket keeper batsman down the order.

In Shaw and Pant, Indian cricket has found two gems who if continue their good run and keep improving will do wonders for Indian cricket.

If the electors are smart, they should indict both the players in LOI Cricket at the earliest. India needs them at 2019 World Cup.

Shaw, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja coming in at 4, 5,6,7 respectively sounds more assuring than Rayudu, Jadhav, Dhoni, Pandya any day of the week.

Time for India to not be rigid and think again about what sort of a team they want to send to England in 2019.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I fear for Shaw and Pant’s career now that OP has jumped on to the hype bandwagon.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Shaw, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja coming in at 4, 5,6,7 respectively sounds more assuring than Rayudu, Jadhav, Dhoni, Pandya any day of the week.

Won't be surprised to see either Rohit Sharma or Kohli move to No. 4 to accommodate Prithvi Shaw in the top order in ODIs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Won't be surprised to see either Rohit Sharma or Kohli move to No. 4 to accommodate Prithvi Shaw in the top order in ODIs.

Sharma
Dhawan
Rahul/Shaw (depending on form)
Kohli
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja

This is Bhaijaan’s batting line up for World Cup 2019 at this point.



Dhoni, Jadhav, Rayudu have no place in this team.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pant looking great out there.

Indian fans certainly not missing Saha, Karthik, Dhoni.

Pant has ended the wait officially.

The wk spot is not taken for the next 5-10 years.

 

[the_outsider]

Won't be surprised to see either Rohit Sharma or Kohli move to No. 4 to accommodate Prithvi Shaw in the top order in ODIs.

Not going to happen. And it should not happen.

 

[Saurav]

Sharma
Dhawan
Rahul/Shaw (depending on form)
Kohli
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja

This is Bhaijaan’s batting line up for World Cup 2019 at this point.



Dhoni, Jadhav, Rayudu have no place in this team.

Jadhav as 6th bowler is invaluable.Batting too he hasn't done much wrong and is able to play under pressure

 

[topspin]

Sharma
Dhawan
Rahul/Shaw (depending on form)
Kohli
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja

This is Bhaijaan’s batting line up for World Cup 2019 at this point.



Dhoni, Jadhav, Rayudu have no place in this team.

Spot on - great side! Would be the most menacing batting line up in the tournament for sure.

 

[IndianMafia]

Bit too early to say , so many technical flaws in both the batsman .. would be clear after the Australia series me thinks !

 

[rahulrulezz]

So you pick a dud like Jadeja over Jadhav.

Jadeja has played 150 Odi and has one match winning 50!! Yes only ONE match winning 50 that too batting at number 7. Also he has one the worst strike for a batsman at number 7. All his 50s cane in a loosing cause shows how he plays selfishly and slow.

Now compare that to Jadhav. Who has domestic average of 50 and strike rate of 105, and international batting average of 45 with strike rate of 105.

You pick the fake dud Jadeja over Jadhav. Are you serious.

 

[AMSS]

So you pick a dud like Jadeja over Jadhav.

Jadeja has played 150 Odi and has one match winning 50!! Yes only ONE match winning 50 that too batting at number 7. Also he has one the worst strike for a batsman at number 7. All his 50s cane in a loosing cause shows how he plays selfishly and slow.

Now compare that to Jadhav. Who has domestic average of 50 and strike rate of 105, and international batting average of 45 with strike rate of 105.

You pick the fake dud Jadeja over Jadhav. Are you serious.

Neither Jadeja nor Jadhav. Jadeja makes the batting look suspect and Jadhav is far from a quality bowling option on English pitches that won't grip or turn.

Best to take a punt on someone like Krunal who offers 10 overs of proper quality and can use the long handle. He's done well in VH Trophy with both bat and ball.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Neither Jadeja nor Jadhav. Jadeja makes the batting look suspect and Jadhav is far from a quality bowling option on English pitches that won't grip or turn.

Best to take a punt on someone like Krunal who offers 10 overs of proper quality and can use the long handle. He's done well in VH Trophy with both bat and ball.

Jadeja bowling is as bad. Jadeja Played 5 world cups for us, in 3 world cups, we didn’t make win a single super six match and in other 2, we didn’t make past semifinals. His bowling and batting was the biggest reason why we were knocked out in all those 5 world cups.

Now with Kuldeep and most likely Chahal playing, Jadhav is a good 6th bowling option.


I agree with you that Krunal Pandya is the best option. The guy is 10 times the batsman of Jadeja and can hit big. And is an amazing spinnner. Problem is just your bhaijaan, selectors keep going back to this tried and tested failure names Jadeja and are stubborn to try other spin allrounder specially Krunal. Jadeja made hua career cuz of Dhonis support. There were rumours that when Dhoni was captain, his first name on the list was Jadeja NOT Kohli

 

[Attiq_Lone]

I would include Shaw and Pant after the WC19, I mean Dhoni is about to retire, He will surely retire after the world cup, It is better to send off the best ever captain for india in a better way.

Dhawan
Rohit
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni
Kedhar
Pandya
Bhuvi
kuldeep
Bumrah
Umesh

I think this would be a better XI to play in England

 

[RyanRyan10]

Neither Jadeja nor Jadhav. Jadeja makes the batting look suspect and Jadhav is far from a quality bowling option on English pitches that won't grip or turn.

Best to take a punt on someone like Krunal who offers 10 overs of proper quality and can use the long handle. He's done well in VH Trophy with both bat and ball.

Agree however having Pant,Krunal,Hardik, at 5-7 would make lower middle order weak
We should have someone at 8 who can slog
Someone like K.Gowtham would be a good edition?
What is your opinion about him?

 

[the_outsider]

Neither Jadeja nor Jadhav. Jadeja makes the batting look suspect and Jadhav is far from a quality bowling option on English pitches that won't grip or turn.

Best to take a punt on someone like Krunal who offers 10 overs of proper quality and can use the long handle. He's done well in VH Trophy with both bat and ball.

He most certainly does not. Krunal is not the kind of bowler who can give you 10 overs regularly. He doesn't even bowl his full quote in India A games a lot of times.

He is a strong hitter of the ball. But his bowling is only up to T20 standard. Not ODI level.

 

[KevinFern]

Neither Jadeja nor Jadhav. Jadeja makes the batting look suspect and Jadhav is far from a quality bowling option on English pitches that won't grip or turn.

Best to take a punt on someone like Krunal who offers 10 overs of proper quality and can use the long handle. He's done well in VH Trophy with both bat and ball.

And you are basing that KP can give 10 quality overs on this IPL exploits? Where he sometimes dont even completes his four over quota? At least Jadhav has been tested out in International cricket but what's the credentials of KP?

 

[WengerOut]

I would include Shaw and Pant after the WC19, I mean Dhoni is about to retire, He will surely retire after the world cup, It is better to send off the best ever captain for india in a better way.

Dhawan
Rohit
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni
Kedhar
Pandya
Bhuvi
kuldeep
Bumrah
Umesh

I think this would be a better XI to play in England

WC is not a send off party

 

[gazza619]

Pant looking great out there.

Indian fans certainly not missing Saha, Karthik, Dhoni.

Pant has ended the wait officially.

The wk spot is not taken for the next 5-10 years.

Whatever little I have seen of Pant's wicketkeeping, he looked horrible. Be prepared to see him dropping plenty of catches and potentially loose India games,,,

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I'd keep Jadhav. Has something about him.

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Shaw
Pant
Jadhav
Pandya
Kuldeep
Chahal
Bumrah
Bhuvi

 

[AMSS]

He most certainly does not. Krunal is not the kind of bowler who can give you 10 overs regularly. He doesn't even bowl his full quote in India A games a lot of times.

He is a strong hitter of the ball. But his bowling is only up to T20 standard. Not ODI level.

Unvarnished rubbish. Pandya regularly bowls his quota of 10 overs for his domestic team. His bowling is as good as Jadeja along with 10 times the ability with bat down the order.

Any bowling that is good enough at T20 level is logically good enough for ODIs. Period.

 

[the_outsider]

Pant looking great out there.

Indian fans certainly not missing Saha, Karthik, Dhoni.

Pant has ended the wait officially.

The wk spot is not taken for the next 5-10 years.

I have certainly missed Saha behind the stumps a lot.

I really enjoy watching Pant bat but he has been quite an amateur behind the stumps. He might have an easier time in Australia but he will continue to struggle in India for some time now.

 

[Raja Sab]

same old story

nothing will change

they will fail overseas

they will fail when it matters the most

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Unvarnished rubbish. Pandya regularly bowls his quota of 10 overs for his domestic team. His bowling is as good as Jadeja along with 10 times the ability with bat down the order.

Any bowling that is good enough at T20 level is logically good enough for ODIs. Period.

Yeah and any bowling that is good enough at ODI level is logically good enough for Tests as well. Period.

 

[the_outsider]

Unvarnished rubbish. Pandya regularly bowls his quota of 10 overs for his domestic team. His bowling is as good as Jadeja along with 10 times the ability with bat down the order.

Any bowling that is good enough at T20 level is logically good enough for ODIs. Period.

Why don't you go and check India A scorecards and see how many times Krunal has finished his quota.

His List A avg is 34! Imagine what treatment he will get at the international level.

His batting is also hardly any better than Jadeja. List A strike rate of 81 and not a single century in 42 matches.

You can keep your IPL idol worshipping to yourself. If Krunal was good enough to break into the team, he would have done it by now.

 

[AMSS]

Yeah and any bowling that is good enough at ODI level is logically good enough for Tests as well. Period.

Going to ignore your frankly pedestrian comeback.

Give me an example of a really good T20 bowler who couldn't hack it in ODIs.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Why don't you go and check India A scorecards and see how many times Krunal has finished his quota.

His List A avg is 34! Imagine what treatment he will get at the international level.

His batting is also hardly any better than Jadeja. List A strike rate of 81 and not a single century in 42 matches.

You can keep your IPL idol worshipping to yourself. If Krunal was good enough to break into the team, he would have done it by now.

Guru JI, did you check Jadejas bowling average in ODIs. 36!! That too bowling close to 150 Odis. So you rather stick with a piece of garbage than risking trying a new talent.
Krunals contribution to MI and the way he plays for them, I would pick Krunal over Jadeja in a heart beat. We all saw how Bumrah did at inte nationals from MI.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Guru JI, did you check Jadejas bowling average in ODIs. 36!! That too bowling close to 150 Odis. So you rather stick with a piece of garbage than risking trying a new talent.
Krunals contribution to MI and the way he plays for them, I would pick Krunal over Jadeja in a heart beat. We all saw how Bumrah did at inte nationals from MI.

Pahalwaan Ji, let Hardik Pandya settle into the ODI team first then you can bring his brother. We don't want too many bits and pieces players in the side. Kuldeep and Chahal are already our first choice spinners in the ODI's. However if you are suggesting to replace one Pandya with another than I am ok with that.

 

[qayyum khan]

Indian workd cup team that can give tough competition:-
Rohit sharma
Shikhar dhawan
Virat kohli
Prithvi shaw
Ambati raydu
Ms dhoni
R jadeja
Chahal
Mohd shami
Jaspreet bumra
Bhuwneswar kumar

 

[rahulrulezz]

Pahalwaan Ji, let Hardik Pandya settle into the ODI team first then you can bring his brother. We don't want too many bits and pieces players in the side. Kuldeep and Chahal are already our first choice spinners in the ODI's. However if you are suggesting to replace one Pandya with another than I am ok with that.

We are talking about Krunal over Jadeja. Not Krunal over Kuldeep and Chahal. OP had Jadeja in his 11 and so did some others, we are suggesting Krunal over Jadeja.

 

[the_outsider]

Guru JI, did you check Jadejas bowling average in ODIs. 36!! That too bowling close to 150 Odis. So you rather stick with a piece of garbage than risking trying a new talent.
Krunals contribution to MI and the way he plays for them, I would pick Krunal over Jadeja in a heart beat. We all saw how Bumrah did at inte nationals from MI.

Bhai tu rahne de.

Comparing Bumrah with Krunal...

Jadeja's ODI avg is 35 not List A. His exclusive List A avg is 27.

That's the difference in quality and difficulty between domestics and international cricket. If Krunal starts bowling at the international level his avg will be 45+

 

[Chrish]

No

 

[rahulrulezz]

Bhai tu rahne de.

Comparing Bumrah with Krunal...

Jadeja's ODI avg is 35 not List A. His exclusive List A avg is 27.

That's the difference in quality and difficulty between domestics and international cricket. If Krunal starts bowling at the international level his avg will be 45+

O Bhai, we are talking about World Cup squad, not List a match squad between Saurashtra and Tripura at Rajkot. So at one hand, you are demeaning an average of 34 for Krunal in one format, but are ok with Jadejas average of 36 in ODI which should be a judgement for world up squad. I would blindly pick a talent like Krunal over a failure like Jadeja (36 bowling average and 1 match winning 50 in 145 ODI).

 

[Bhaijaan]

Jadeja is a different person entirely. Do not compare this Jadeja to the one you saw previously especially as a batsman.

This batting Jadeja could be a reliable a AR for India. He is clutch.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Right now as a batsman I trust Jadeja at 7 way more than I would trust Rayudu/Jadhav at 4/5

 

[RyanRyan10]

Why don't you go and check India A scorecards and see how many times Krunal has finished his quota.

His List A avg is 34! Imagine what treatment he will get at the international level.

His batting is also hardly any better than Jadeja. List A strike rate of 81 and not a single century in 42 matches.

You can keep your IPL idol worshipping to yourself. If Krunal was good enough to break into the team, he would have done it by now.

Talking about stats
Jadeja averages 35 with ball & 31 with bat and has a SR of 84 which is poor for a no.7 batsman nowadays

Since 2015,he has been averaging just above 20 with bat & in mid 40s with the ball

He can't even get a QuickFire 30 with the bat which would be needed from a no.7 bat in the English conditions

Krunal's SR in List A is 81 because he bats at no.3 and for a weak line up like Baroda so he has to play according to the situation
If he plays for us,he would be coming at 6/7
We know he has the ability to strike big so he suits for that role

Talking about his bowling
He has done really well in the VH trophy and has completed his quotas in most completed matches or bowled atleast 7-8 overs
Even Hardik was more of a batting allrounder before he made his international debut
But we gave him full quotas at the international level

Kedar had just 1 List A wicket but he has already got 21 odi wickets

So if given proper chances ,Krunal can definitely replicate the performance at the international level

 

[AMSS]

We are talking about Krunal over Jadeja. Not Krunal over Kuldeep and Chahal. OP had Jadeja in his 11 and so did some others, we are suggesting Krunal over Jadeja.

Krunal is excellent stop gap but in a year or two look out for Anukul Roy

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/player/1079839.html

 

[rahulrulezz]

I don't know what people see in Jadeja for our ODI squad. Remember our last World Cup 2015 in Austrlia. He played ALL the matches and check his stats. Not one half match winning contribution. NOT ONE. Averaged 40 with ball after playing all matches.

Heck check his stats in 4 T20 world cups, we didn't win a single match in 3 super sixes round when played.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

O Bhai, we are talking about World Cup squad, not List a match squad between Saurashtra and Tripura at Rajkot. So at one hand, you are demeaning an average of 34 for Krunal in one format, but are ok with Jadejas average of 36 in ODI which should be a judgement for world up squad. I would blindly pick a talent like Krunal over a failure like Jadeja (36 bowling average and 1 match winning 50 in 145 ODI).

There is no way Jadeja and Hardik will play together in England. I think two spinners are enough in the playing XI. So even Krunal won't play.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There is no way Jadeja and Hardik will play together in England. I think two spinners are enough in the playing XI. So even Krunal won't play.

They played CT final chhote.

Pandya’s place in this team is very secure.

Jadeja’s new attitude is giving great vibes. Never forget both are terrific fielders too. They can turn the match with a couple of catches and run outs at any time.

This World Cup is going to be about these little clutch moments.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Right now as a batsman I trust Jadeja at 7 way more than I would trust Rayudu/Jadhav at 4/5

Jadhav already won matches for India single handedly. Don't compare him to rubbish like Jadeja. One match winning 50 after playing 140 Odis is a clutch player to you. He has about 14 50s, and only one came in a match winning cause. Shows what kinda clutch player he is.

 

[rahulrulezz]

They played CT final chhote.

Pandya’s place in this team is very secure.

Jadeja’s new attitude is giving great vibes. Never forget both are terrific fielders too. They can turn the match with a couple of catches and run outs at any time.

This World Cup is going to be about these little clutch moments.

O Bhai tu phir Kaif and Robin Singh ko Khila le. Heck Jadeja ko 12th man rakh le or fielding Kara le. But use all rounder mat khila be

 

[the_outsider]

Talking about stats
Jadeja averages 35 with ball & 31 with bat and has a SR of 84 which is poor for a no.7 batsman nowadays

Since 2015,he has been averaging just above 20 with bat & in mid 40s with the ball

He can't even get a QuickFire 30 with the bat which would be needed from a no.7 bat in the English conditions

Krunal's SR in List A is 81 because he bats at no.3 and for a weak line up like Baroda so he has to play according to the situation
If he plays for us,he would be coming at 6/7
We know he has the ability to strike big so he suits for that role

Talking about his bowling
He has done really well in the VH trophy and has completed his quotas in most completed matches or bowled atleast 7-8 overs
Even Hardik was more of a batting allrounder before he made his international debut
But we gave him full quotas at the international level

Kedar had just 1 List A wicket but he has already got 21 odi wickets

So if given proper chances ,Krunal can definitely replicate the performance at the international level

If a number 3 batsman is averaging 34 in domestics and has ZERO hundreds in 42 matches how well do you think he will do at the international level?

And yeah he might step up if he starts playing international cricket. But that's just a guess at this point. It would an incredibly silly thing to do to replace Jadeja with Krunal with just 15 matches to go for the WC. It's a huge gamble to take to replace Jaddu who already has WC experience and is the best fielder in the world with a newcomer who has been mediocre at best, so far.

 

[rahulrulezz]

If a number 3 batsman is averaging 34 in domestics and has ZERO hundreds in 42 matches how well do you think he will do at the international level?

And yeah he might step up if he starts playing international cricket. But that's just a guess at this point. It would an incredibly silly thing to do to replace Jadeja with Krunal with just 15 matches to go for the WC. It's a huge gamble to take to replace Jaddu who already has WC experience and is the best fielder in the world with a newcomer who has been mediocre at best, so far.

So when some one comes up with numbers and logical reasons for Jadejas pathetic ODI performance for last three years (heck his whole career), you start to throw your Gyan that replacing Jadeja would be risk. But when someone calls you a nerd for using Excel and numbers, you do name calling.

 

[RyanRyan10]

If a number 3 batsman is averaging 34 in domestics and has ZERO hundreds in 42 matches how well do you think he will do at the international level?

And yeah he might step up if he starts playing international cricket. But that's just a guess at this point. It would an incredibly silly thing to do to replace Jadeja with Krunal with just 15 matches to go for the WC. It's a huge gamble to take to replace Jaddu who already has WC experience and is the best fielder in the world with a newcomer who has been mediocre at best, so far.

What did Jadeja do in that World Cup?
Among the 11 players who played regularly in that WC(Bhuvi played just 1 match,rest 3 warmed bench)
Jadeja was the only one who didn't have match winning or even a game changing performances

The reason he needs to be dropped is that He is a TTF in Odis who has got worse in last few years

Krunal isn't a mediocre player
Even KL Rahul whom u love so much averages 38 in List A
So average of 35 isn't poor for a guy who can also bowl full quota

 

[IndianMafia]

Agree. Jadeja over krunal for me for world cup !

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Do you think we"ll need jadeja?
We already have 2 spinners and we need a batsman who can bowl instead of a bowling allrounder. Krunal is surely a better batsman than jadeja, and i am not an ipl fan

 

[the_outsider]

What did Jadeja do in that World Cup?
Among the 11 players who played regularly in that WC(Bhuvi played just 1 match,rest 3 warmed bench)
Jadeja was the only one who didn't have match winning or even a game changing performances

The reason he needs to be dropped is that He is a TTF in Odis who has got worse in last few years

Krunal isn't a mediocre player
Even KL Rahul whom u love so much averages 38 in List A
So average of 35 isn't poor for a guy who can also bowl full quota

That's why he sits in the dugout doesn't he?

KL Rahul averages 38 in List A and that's why he finds himself out of the 11. He averages 50 in FC and thus finds himself in the starting XI in tests. The correlation seems very clear to me.

That's what I'm trying to say. Thats the kind of gap there is between a Vijay Hazare match and a WC match. Only the cream of the crop from domestics make it to the international team. Is Krunal the best in domestics? No he is not. If he struggles to be consistent to be at the domestic level, he is very likely to struggle at the highest level.

And like I said, you have to also factor in fielding because you're trying to replace the best fielder in the country with Krunal. Even with bat and ball Krunal doesn't match Jadeja. Once you factor in fielding and experience, there is no debate left.

 

[Hasan123]

He should be in the WC squad.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bhaijaan sab kuch soch lete, but bhul jaate that Dhoni will be a permanent member for WC 19. Ab banao apne apne playing XI.

Translation in English: -

Bhaijaan ends up thinking everything but forgets the very common thing that Dhoni will play the WC 2019. Whatever XI you make, ensure that Dhoni has got one spot in the middle order.

 

[troodon]

You have to wait until they play better bowling attacks like SA, Pak, Aus etc.

WI bowling is a joke. SO far, they have shown lot of potential.

Hope both Shaw and Pant succeed.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Do you think we"ll need jadeja?
We already have 2 spinners and we need a batsman who can bowl instead of a bowling allrounder. Krunal is surely a better batsman than jadeja, and i am not an ipl fan

Don't think we will need Jadeja in England. 2 spinners are good enough.

 

[RyanRyan10]

That's why he sits in the dugout doesn't he?

KL Rahul averages 38 in List A and that's why he finds himself out of the 11. He averages 50 in FC and thus finds himself in the starting XI in tests. The correlation seems very clear to me.

That's what I'm trying to say. Thats the kind of gap there is between a Vijay Hazare match and a WC match. Only the cream of the crop from domestics make it to the international team. Is Krunal the best in domestics? No he is not. If he struggles to be consistent to be at the domestic level, he is very likely to struggle at the highest level.

And like I said, you have to also factor in fielding because you're trying to replace the best fielder in the country with Krunal. Even with bat and ball Krunal doesn't match Jadeja. Once you factor in fielding and experience, there is no debate left.

reason KLR sits out is because we have Rohit & Dhawan who are among the best odi openers in the world so there's no place for him in the XI
Krunal is competing with Jadeja who is still mediocre after playing 140 Odis for India

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bhaijaan sab kuch soch lete, but bhul jaate that Dhoni will be a permanent member for WC 19. Ab banao apne apne playing XI.

Translation in English: -

Bhaijaan ends up thinking everything but forgets the very common thing that Dhoni will play the WC 2019. Whatever XI you make, ensure that Dhoni has got one spot in the middle order.

The way MSD is playing he should NOT play in the world cup in the best interest of India.

He is a legend and one of the greatest ever LOI batsmen. But his time is up and there are better players waiting.

 

[Ab Fan]

The way MSD is playing he should NOT play in the world cup in the best interest of India.

He is a legend and one of the greatest ever LOI batsmen. But his time is up and there are better players waiting.

Easier said that done. We all know it is something not going to happen and he will play the World Cup 2019 and retire only after that.

 

[the_outsider]

reason KLR sits out is because we have Rohit & Dhawan who are among the best odi openers in the world so there's no place for him in the XI
Krunal is competing with Jadeja who is still mediocre after playing 140 Odis for India

Even Jadeja doesn't find a place in the starting XI unless Hardik is injured.

So idk what makes you think Krunal can be part of the squad.

Like I have said before, Krunal's List A numbers are worse than Jadeja's ODI numbers. Look at Jadeja's List A numbers and you will see what difference there is between List A and ODI cricket. Now adjust Krunal's performance accordingly and you will see that there is no place for him in the team.

Even if I ignore batting and bowling differences, Jadeja gets picked ahead of Krunal based on fielding alone.

 

[rhony]

They played CT final chhote.

Pandya’s place in this team is very secure.

Jadeja’s new attitude is giving great vibes. Never forget both are terrific fielders too. They can turn the match with a couple of catches and run outs at any time.

This World Cup is going to be about these little clutch moments.

Yeah. I think it's Chahal vs Jadeja in the team. Jaddu turned a leaf with his batting exploits in Asia cup

 

[WengerOut]

Yeah. I think it's Chahal vs Jadeja in the team. Jaddu turned a leaf with his batting exploits in Asia cup

Jadeja did not set the world on fire either in Asia cup

 

[Sidilicious]

Yeah. I think it's Chahal vs Jadeja in the team. Jaddu turned a leaf with his batting exploits in Asia cup

See, the Jadeja vs Chahal question is one that depends on what the middle order is.
Assuption - Chahal is a better bowler than Jadeja. Jadeja is a better bat and fielder.

If we have a decent MO, one that can be trusted, then I would rather go with Chahal as we will have a better spinner. If the batting is on the weaker side, for instance, thala Dhoni keeps his spot, I would prefer Jadeja.

My XIs are

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Dhoni
Pant
Jhadhav
Pandya
Jadeja
Bhuvi/Shami
Kuldeep
Bumrah

The above XI gives us batting till 8, but slightly weaker bowling.

The other alternative

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul/Shaw
Pant (wk)
Jhadhav
Pandya
Chahal/Jadeja
Bhuvi/Shami
Kuldeep
Bumrah

The top 3 are pretty much settled.

1 of Rahul/Shaw and Pant instead of Dhoni could prove to be crucial. The only drawback being that they are good bats, but low on experience.

I would play Jhadhav and Pandya as they could give us 10-15 overs. This could be crucial if
a) one of the bowlers have an off day
b) according to the needs of the pitch we could have a 3rd seamer or a pacer

I would play Chahal here as it would make the bowling stronger. But Jadeja here would not be too bad an option either.

 

[the_outsider]

Jadeja did not set the world on fire either in Asia cup

Actually he did:

✓ 4 wickets against BD

✓Running out Babar against PAK

✓3 wickets against Afg and then tie-ing the match from a very tricky situation. (I still think that last over 4 was actually a 6 and Jadeja actually won the game for us, but anyway)

✓ His incredible run out in the final, which Rohit said in the press conference was the biggest turning point in the match

✓ And finally his 52 run partnership with Bhuvi without which BD would have 100% won the match.

Jadeja was the standout all-arounder in Asia Cup 2018.

 

[WengerOut]

Actually he did:

✓ 4 wickets against BD

✓Running out Babar against PAK

✓3 wickets against Afg and then tie-ing the match from a very tricky situation. (I still think that last over 4 was actually a 6 and Jadeja actually won the game for us, but anyway)

✓ His incredible run out in the final, which Rohit said in the press conference was the biggest turning point in the match

✓ And finally his 52 run partnership with Bhuvi without which BD would have 100% won the match.

Jadeja was the standout all-arounder in Asia Cup 2018.

That was just best among worst type of performance. I think we ditched Jadeja and Ashwin for genuine reasons and those situations have not changed. He was brilliant fielder before. Just mediocre bowler and batsman.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Actually he did:

✓ 4 wickets against BD

✓Running out Babar against PAK

✓3 wickets against Afg and then tie-ing the match from a very tricky situation. (I still think that last over 4 was actually a 6 and Jadeja actually won the game for us, but anyway)

✓ His incredible run out in the final, which Rohit said in the press conference was the biggest turning point in the match

✓ And finally his 52 run partnership with Bhuvi without which BD would have 100% won the match.

Jadeja was the standout all-arounder in Asia Cup 2018.

Now compare all these points to Jadhav in Asia cup. The guy who has been treated poorly by selectors. Jadhav did 100 times better than Jadeja in both bowling and batting in Asia cup.

 

[the_outsider]

That was just best among worst type of performance. I think we ditched Jadeja and Ashwin for genuine reasons and those situations have not changed. He was brilliant fielder before. Just mediocre bowler and batsman.

Jaddu is not in my starting XI.

I want us to go with our best 2 spinners and that's clearly Kuldeep and Chahal.

But I want Jaddu in the WC sqaud in case we get a dry-ish pitch so that we have the option of switching Hardik with Jaddu. If the team management can use him wisely, Jadeja can be a great asset and the kind of player no other team currently has (except maybe NZ who has Santner).

 

[Sidilicious]

Jaddu is not in my starting XI.

I want us to go with our best 2 spinners and that's clearly Kuldeep and Chahal.

But I want Jaddu in the WC sqaud in case we get a dry-ish pitch so that we have the option of switching Hardik with Jaddu. If the team management can use him wisely, Jadeja can be a great asset and the kind of player no other team currently has (except maybe NZ who has Santner).

Switching HArdik with Jaddu is not option IMHO. In fact, Jaddu should not be switched any of the top 7 bats. Hardik is a way better bat than Jadeja. Jadeja at 7 makes the batting quite flimsy.

If Jadeja needs to be in the XI, it would have to be in place of Chahal. If the batting remains iffy, then we would have no option but to play Jadeja.

 

[the_outsider]

Switching HArdik with Jaddu is not option IMHO. In fact, Jaddu should not be switched any of the top 7 bats. Hardik is a way better bat than Jadeja. Jadeja at 7 makes the batting quite flimsy.

If Jadeja needs to be in the XI, it would have to be in place of Chahal. If the batting remains iffy, then we would have no option but to play Jadeja.

You make good points. In that case I would pick Chahal over Jaddu as I think your best 4 bowlers should always play.

But I'll give you my reasoning of switching between Hardik and Jaddu.

✓ In the WC, India's game against SA is at the Rose Bowl, a pitch that is typically dry and a batting line-up that is weak against spin. Unleashing a 3-prong spin attack on SA on that pitch should pay rich dividends.

✓ Same case with the match against Australia which is also played on another dry surface - The Oval.

✓ India vs England is at Birmingham. Not a historically dry pitch but a team that does struggle against spin and in particular struggles against Jadeja who has an avg of 24 against them including two 4-fers.

So if Jadeja is used tactically, I think he can be of massive utility in the WC.

 

[Sidilicious]

You make good points. In that case I would pick Chahal over Jaddu as I think your best 4 bowlers should always play.

But I'll give you my reasoning of switching between Hardik and Jaddu.

✓ In the WC, India's game against SA is at the Rose Bowl, a pitch that is typically dry and a batting line-up that is weak against spin. Unleashing a 3-prong spin attack on SA on that pitch should pay rich dividends.

✓ Same case with the match against Australia which is also played on another dry surface - The Oval.

✓ India vs England is at Birmingham. Not a historically dry pitch but a team that does struggle against spin and in particular struggles against Jadeja who has an avg of 24 against them including two 4-fers.

So if Jadeja is used tactically, I think he can be of massive utility in the WC.

Fair point.

What is your take on Jhadhav as a batsman and a spinner?

I am not sold on his batting, but hoping he could play the role as the 3rd spinner in the situations you gave.

The Indian team management seems to be depicting him as a finisher. If he can pick up some tricks some MS (the old one), that would be quite useful. But not sold on him yet.

 

[BaankeJi]

This is no redemption. Scoring runs against WI on flat tracks is far from it.

 

[the_outsider]

Fair point.

What is your take on Jhadhav as a batsman and a spinner?

I am not sold on his batting, but hoping he could play the role as the 3rd spinner in the situations you gave.

The Indian team management seems to be depicting him as a finisher. If he can pick up some tricks some MS (the old one), that would be quite useful. But not sold on him yet.

Jhadav in my opinion isn't special or anything. But he is a great utility player that a lot of teams would love to have. But becomes very critical to the team balance when we play with Hardik as the 5th bowler.

I really don't feel comfortable going on with 5 bowlers where Hardik is the 5th bowler. So, for the sake of balance we need a part-timer in our top 6. Jhadav seems to be the best among that right now.

See one thing where I will give Jhadav credit is that he has the temperament to finish games. Be it this Asia Cup final, his first IPL match this season or that 2017 ODI series against England where Kohli and Jhadav won us a game that we should have lost 99 out of 100 times.

That England series of 2017 is what gives me confidence on Jhadav because those were 350 pitches - the kind of pitches that we will get at the WC. On those pitches he batted like a dream finisher - 240+ runs in 3 innings at a SR of 145!

If Jhadav can replicate that kind of performance in Australia or NZ then I will be sure that he is the right finisher to have on 350 pitches. I hope he succeeds because he is actually very crucial to the team's balance.

If Jhadav can become a genuine part-timer, someone who can give 5-7 over every game, then you are right. We don't really need Jadeja in the team and we get to keep Hardik which keeps our batting strong.

 

[Sidilicious]

Jhadav in my opinion isn't special or anything. But he is a great utility player that a lot of teams would love to have. But becomes very critical to the team balance when we play with Hardik as the 5th bowler.

I really don't feel comfortable going on with 5 bowlers where Hardik is the 5th bowler. So, for the sake of balance we need a part-timer in our top 6. Jhadav seems to be the best among that right now.

See one thing where I will give Jhadav credit is that he has the temperament to finish games. Be it this Asia Cup final, his first IPL match this season or that 2017 ODI series against England where Kohli and Jhadav won us a game that we should have lost 99 out of 100 times.

That England series of 2017 is what gives me confidence on Jhadav because those were 350 pitches - the kind of pitches that we will get at the WC. On those pitches he batted like a dream finisher - 240+ runs in 3 innings at a SR of 145!

If Jhadav can replicate that kind of performance in Australia or NZ then I will be sure that he is the right finisher to have on 350 pitches. I hope he succeeds because he is actually very crucial to the team's balance.

If Jhadav can become a genuine part-timer, someone who can give 5-7 over every game, then you are right. We don't really need Jadeja in the team and we get to keep Hardik which keeps our batting strong.

The funny thing with Jhadhav is that he only gets to bat about 66% of the time India bats. So his finishing/innings closing skills do not get tested often enough. This is obviously a result of out strong top 3.

Whenever he has had a chance to be the finisher, his record isn't exactly brilliant. He has taken India close a few times, but hasn't been able to cross the lines. And a few other times he has gotten out early, leaving Pandya to do the job.

Of course, that could be considered part of his learning process, and should expect better results as he gets more experienced at the international level. I do not follow IPL, so cannot comment on his IPL exploits.

Also, we have been spoilt with Dhoni (the 2008-2015 one) so probably my expectations are that he performs to the Dhoni level. So a bit unfair on Jhadhav as well.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Even Jadeja doesn't find a place in the starting XI unless Hardik is injured.

So idk what makes you think Krunal can be part of the squad.

Like I have said before, Krunal's List A numbers are worse than Jadeja's ODI numbers. Look at Jadeja's List A numbers and you will see what difference there is between List A and ODI cricket. Now adjust Krunal's performance accordingly and you will see that there is no place for him in the team.

Even if I ignore batting and bowling differences, Jadeja gets picked ahead of Krunal based on fielding alone.

1.Krunal's List A numbers are better than Jadeja's Odi numbers
both his batting avg & bowling avg are better

2.Jadeja's numbers in last few years have been worse than his overall numbers
Since 2015 he average about 20 with the bat and in mid 40s with the ball
That proves he has been poor off late
His case is similar to Dhoni & Amla,both are CURRENTLY not as good as their overall suggests

3.If List A stats are everything then even Pujara should also have got chances in Odis rather than Rohit or Dhawan
His List A numbers were much better than both in fact he Was among top5 highest averaging List A batsmen in the history few years back
It has been proven that Jadeja can't even get us quick fire 30-40 which would be needed in those conditions
Jadeja can slog domestic bowlers but always struggles against international level bowlers

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I would include Shaw and Pant after the WC19, I mean Dhoni is about to retire, He will surely retire after the world cup, It is better to send off the best ever captain for india in a better way.

Dhawan
Rohit
Kohli
Rahul
Dhoni
Kedhar
Pandya
Bhuvi
kuldeep
Bumrah
Umesh

I think this would be a better XI to play in England

No player is bigger than World Cup. Dhoni doesn't deserve anything, he should've retired after 2015 world cup.

He should be kicked out of the team for being a shameless leech.

 

[AMSS]

1.Krunal's List A numbers are better than Jadeja's Odi numbers
both his batting avg & bowling avg are better

2.Jadeja's numbers in last few years have been worse than his overall numbers
Since 2015 he average about 20 with the bat and in mid 40s with the ball
That proves he has been poor off late
His case is similar to Dhoni & Amla,both are CURRENTLY not as good as their overall suggests

3.If List A stats are everything then even Pujara should also have got chances in Odis rather than Rohit or Dhawan
His List A numbers were much better than both in fact he Was among top5 highest averaging List A batsmen in the history few years back
It has been proven that Jadeja can't even get us quick fire 30-40 which would be needed in those conditions
Jadeja can slog domestic bowlers but always struggles against international level bowlers

The points you have raised, crucial as they are, do not get captured on an excel spreadsheet. So he would struggle to make sense of these points.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

1.Krunal's List A numbers are better than Jadeja's Odi numbers
both his batting avg & bowling avg are better

2.Jadeja's numbers in last few years have been worse than his overall numbers
Since 2015 he average about 20 with the bat and in mid 40s with the ball
That proves he has been poor off late
His case is similar to Dhoni & Amla,both are CURRENTLY not as good as their overall suggests

3.If List A stats are everything then even Pujara should also have got chances in Odis rather than Rohit or Dhawan
His List A numbers were much better than both in fact he Was among top5 highest averaging List A batsmen in the history few years back
It has been proven that Jadeja can't even get us quick fire 30-40 which would be needed in those conditions
Jadeja can slog domestic bowlers but always struggles against international level bowlers

I wonder why others aren't getting it. Just bcoz of 1_2 innings people are thinking that jadeja is a good bat, but in reality he adds nothing with the bat. A str rate of 80 coming down at n.o.8doesn't help. We need a batsman who can go all guns blazing down the order.
His bowling ia also nothing specia an avg of 36 is bad. His recent performances were in uae tracks against minnows, he'll be a burden in england.

 

[Haripotter]

Still lots of doubts against them . Playing a WI bowling attack at home doesn't confirm anything. Pant is an LBW candidate most times and Shaw's top edges on cut shots remind me of Gambhirs downfall in overseas.
Until Australian series we can't say much.

But certainly it's worth slotting in Pant in middle order I stead of karthik

 

[Attiq_Lone]

WC is not a send off party

Absolutely not, but world cup is not that far, less than a year is remaining, and India has a good ODI side. They can groom their players after the WC, they are still very young.

Dhoni has given India and indian cricket a lot of success, he deserves something better.

 

[WengerOut]

Absolutely not, but world cup is not that far, less than a year is remaining, and India has a good ODI side. They can groom their players after the WC, they are still very young.

Dhoni has given India and indian cricket a lot of success, he deserves something better.

I think it is the other way. Indian cricket has given Dhoni a lot. He should have left for good after 2015. Now India is carrying a passenger.

 

[Attiq_Lone]

I think it is the other way. Indian cricket has given Dhoni a lot. He should have left for good after 2015. Now India is carrying a passenger.

It is kinda Misbah Afridi type situation, we have been carrying them in the ODI squad. The best way would be asking dhoni to retire before WC but that’s very unlikely, so just let him play till WC and get rid of him after

 

[Rahul1]

Absolutely not, but world cup is not that far, less than a year is remaining, and India has a good ODI side. They can groom their players after the WC, they are still very young.

Dhoni has given India and indian cricket a lot of success, he deserves something better.

This is not a charity organization. If you're not good enough you should leave. End of.

 

[unitedkush]

Only Pant, it's too early for Shaw given WC is so close. Let the man hone his skills, he's had a great start to his Test career so let's give him time instead of roping him in to play a role which he's not equipped to play right now.

Anyone who wants our Top 3 to be changed for Shaw need to get heads checked, one of the most ludicrous suggestions I have read on here. You don't mess with best batting position of your three biggest match winners with Kohli being the biggest match winner for a rookie like Shaw.

Also, Pant has been in and around the International squad for few years now. He was part of T20 squad which toured WI and has been piling big runs domestically during that period. He's earned his call up, Shaw hasn't. Not on basis of 3 innings sorry.

 

[giri26]

Both these players should get a look in. I hope the selectors give them some opportunities in upcoming ODI series.

 

[RamLakhan]

Absolutely not, but world cup is not that far, less than a year is remaining, and India has a good ODI side. They can groom their players after the WC, they are still very young.

Dhoni has given India and indian cricket a lot of success, he deserves something better.

We can give a special position for him till world cup! Non-playing Captain! First of its kind in Cricket! He can be in the squad and always play as 12th man, so that he comes to the field or stays behind the boundary ropes to guide or send valuable messages to Kohli the incompetent captain!