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RedwoodOriginal said:
I didn't have a problem with him targeting the audience since their reactions were so interconnected to his run at the top. The only thing I had an issue with was him saying "I am not a babyface or a heel."

I thought it was a great promo. Maybe not the epic promo I was expecting but then again that's my fault for having unrealistically high expectations. I hope we get to see more of this new side in the coming weeks. More than this, I am interested in his interactions with Cody, which we should get next week.
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I agree with you that it wasn’t ‘epic’, this kind of promo only Cena could have pulled off. If he did the epic MJF promo, me and you would be here praising it, but Cena is not going to give us that because we always want and this time we’re not going to get. This promo is unlike anything I’ve ever heard before because it’s a direct attack on the entire wrestling community and very carefully manufactured to achieve that, it gets heat from all corners and that’s tough to do in this day and age, it’s the perfect foil for Cody’s comeback.
 
shaz619 said:
I agree with you that it wasn’t ‘epic’, this kind of promo only Cena could have pulled off. If he did the epic MJF promo, me and you would be here praising it, but Cena is not going to give us that because we always want and this time we’re not going to get. This promo is unlike anything I’ve ever heard before because it’s a direct attack on the entire wrestling community and very carefully manufactured to achieve that, it gets heat from all corners and that’s tough to do in this day and age, it’s the perfect foil for Cody’s comeback.
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Yeah, and it was the first promo. I'm sure he will get plenty of chances on the mic to showcase his full range as a heel. He also has alot to talk about still. For now, he has only talked about the fans. Still I hope he gets savage with his verbiage in the next promos. Especially when he goes after Cody. Kind of a mark thing to say but I enjoy when they make references to things outside of this company like Cody's AEW run. I wouldn't mind Cena getting creative with some of these promos, even if its with IYKYK stuff.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah, and it was the first promo. I'm sure he will get plenty of chances on the mic to showcase his full range as a heel. He also has alot to talk about still. For now, he has only talked about the fans. Still I hope he gets savage with his verbiage in the next promos. Especially when he goes after Cody. Kind of a mark thing to say but I enjoy when they make references to things outside of this company like Cody's AEW run. I wouldn't mind Cena getting creative with some of these promos, even if its with IYKYK stuff.
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After this first promo am not sure what we’re going to get, I feel like Cena is going to be changing the game when it comes to all the traditional tropes and take this in a direction we don’t expect from his character even as the bad guy, it’s like he didn’t even want to engage Cody, like everyone is beneath him and doesn’t want to give into the fans demands so that will be very interesting to see how it all plays out. I think they will do a better job getting heat on Cody this way, opposed to Cena completely burying him.

What did you make off the Jey Uso and Gunther segment lol
 
MK7Z said:
Failing to hype it up much. Next thing is probably Gunther putting a beating on Jimmy. Maybe even Rikishi gets a slap. Motivate Jey etc etc etc
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That would be funny, he should kidnap Rikishi lol Gunther has been carrying the feud and am afraid Jey has failed to step-up despite his popularity. I think Gunther should squash Jey at Wrestlemania, that would be the best pay-off to this.
 
shaz619 said:
After this first promo am not sure what we’re going to get, I feel like Cena is going to be changing the game when it comes to all the traditional tropes and take this in a direction we don’t expect from his character even as the bad guy, it’s like he didn’t even want to engage Cody, like everyone is beneath him and doesn’t want to give into the fans demands so that will be very interesting to see how it all plays out. I think they will do a better job getting heat on Cody this way, opposed to Cena completely burying him.

What did you make off the Jey Uso and Gunther segment lol
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Yeah but I kinda wanna see Cena bury him on the mic too because he is really good at that, and it would be very entertaining. Even as a babyface we have seen this side of him with The Rock and Austin Theory. As a heel, I expect the gloves to come off a bit, but I guess most all I am just interested to see them flesh out this character. This promo was just felt like the introduction. Super excited to see where it goes. I just hope he is on most RAWs before WrestleMania because him not being there sucks the momentum out of the feud.

It was a weak and sloppy segment. The botch was pretty bad but honestly when you've seen the pinnacle, everything feels like small potatoes by comparison: :kp

 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1902480205052309668

What a time to be alive.

I know ECW had a poor reputation for innovating garbage wrestling, but they were also known for technical excellence in the ring and it was appreciated unlike AE era fans because it was sold as an ultra violent form off punishment; in the smark capital of the globe, Kurt Angle was invincible.
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1902480205052309668

What a time to be alive.

I know ECW had a poor reputation for innovating garbage wrestling, but they were also known for technical excellence in the ring and it was appreciated unlike AE era fans because it was sold as an ultra violent form off punishment; in the smark capital of the globe, Kurt Angle was invincible.
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Without ECW, I seriously question if Eddie, Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Rey would have been hired by WCW. I suppose maybe Benoit and Eddie would have. The others I'm not so sure about the others. And that's no offence directed at their talent and ability, but it was Heyman who plucked them out of obscurity and put them on the map. These guys along with Shane Douglas and 2 Cold Scorpio were putting on some fantastic matches during ECW's early years. Even Sabu was a fantastic wrestler till 1995, before his body completely broke down. But then ofcourse Bischoff picked them off one by one, only to book them like garbage in WCW.

The ECW revival was a great idea for a yearly PPV. And they should have stayed at that. The biggest problem with creating a new show was that it was never going to be in the spirit of the original ECW. And them bringing in non-ECW guys alienated the fans even more. Angle is the exception because I seriously can't imagine any wrestling fan not being completely mesmerized by him. But I remember they did Batista v Big Show at one of their early shows and it got one of the most negative reactions I have ever seen lol.
 
Apparently Gunther v AJ Styles tore the house down at a house show in Dortmund, Germany.

Why couldn't we have gotten this at WrestleMania, instead of Gunther v the company mascot? :(
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Apparently Gunther v AJ Styles tore the house down at a house show in Dortmund, Germany.

Why couldn't we have gotten this at WrestleMania, instead of Gunther v the company mascot? :(
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Because H is a piece of sh!t who can’t stand the adulation which big figures receive in the wrestling community. If you’re a name or very popular with great pedigree all round, you’re going to get booked like an upper mid-carder, guys like:

AJ Styles
Randy Orton
Rey Mysterio Jnr
Sami Zayn
Chad Gable

Am even going to throw Gunther into the mix because he is not being allowed to get over the way he ought to be.

Vince use to utilise senior vets to get other stars over, they were treated with respect and their value was recognised, maybe he was guilty of booking them too strong at times; but H is the complete opposite, he can’t bare to see someone like an AJ Styles have a legacy which is vastly superior to his, he is petty like that.

CM Punk is smart enough to get some creative control into his contract and H can’t really veto his push due to the business side of it and Punk’s star power, but may get to be petty with things like whether or not he’s in a title program or whether he is in the main event. But Punk is generally good with protecting his stuff, those who are not in a position to do so, are at the mercy of H and his narrow minded booking.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Without ECW, I seriously question if Eddie, Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Rey would have been hired by WCW. I suppose maybe Benoit and Eddie would have. The others I'm not so sure about the others. And that's no offence directed at their talent and ability, but it was Heyman who plucked them out of obscurity and put them on the map. These guys along with Shane Douglas and 2 Cold Scorpio were putting on some fantastic matches during ECW's early years. Even Sabu was a fantastic wrestler till 1995, before his body completely broke down. But then ofcourse Bischoff picked them off one by one, only to book them like garbage in WCW.

The ECW revival was a great idea for a yearly PPV. And they should have stayed at that. The biggest problem with creating a new show was that it was never going to be in the spirit of the original ECW. And them bringing in non-ECW guys alienated the fans even more. Angle is the exception because I seriously can't imagine any wrestling fan not being completely mesmerized by him. But I remember they did Batista v Big Show at one of their early shows and it got one of the most negative reactions I have ever seen lol.
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That’s a good point, Jericho got his biggest break in NA because of Heyman; it was not without Mick Foley’s help (He has made so many wrestlers right lol), who gave a tape to Heyman off one of his matches in Japan. Jericho was super over right away with the smark’s, pre-Internet the observer wasn’t terrible until the late 90’s onwards and they all knew about his work in the east. Austin got that gig with the WWF because of Heyman as well. Bischoff did to ECW what Tony has done to the indie scene in America, Eric obviously at least achieved something in the industry though.

Agreed, as a yearly gig it felt special but they got too big for their boots and turned it into another toy of the machine. It had potential and wasn’t terrible initially but losing RVD, Angle & Benoit were pretty huge losses, and then they went full PG mode as well and all of a sudden were booked into a corner. The biggest turning point was when Vince went on air to announce Benoit’s death imo
 
shaz619 said:
Because H is a piece of sh!t who can’t stand the adulation which big figures receive in the wrestling community. If you’re a name or very popular with great pedigree all round, you’re going to get booked like an upper mid-carder, guys like:

AJ Styles
Randy Orton
Rey Mysterio Jnr
Sami Zayn
Chad Gable

Am even going to throw Gunther into the mix because he is not being allowed to get over the way he ought to be.

Vince use to utilise senior vets to get other stars over, they were treated with respect and their value was recognised, maybe he was guilty of booking them too strong at times; but H is the complete opposite, he can’t bare to see someone like an AJ Styles have a legacy which is vastly superior to his, he is petty like that.

CM Punk is smart enough to get some creative control into his contract and H can’t really veto his push due to the business side of it and Punk’s star power, but may get to be petty with things like whether or not he’s in a title program or whether he is in the main event. But Punk is generally good with protecting his stuff, those who are not in a position to do so, are at the mercy of H and his narrow minded booking.
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AJ has been the biggest victim of the Triple H era. Can you even think of a single great feud that he has been involved in, in the last 3 years? Its amazing to see someone of his caliber booked like such crap. And now the latest rumor going around is that he might be working a WrestleMania match with Karrion Kross. 🤦‍♂️
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
AJ has been the biggest victim of the Triple H era. Can you even think of a single great feud that he has been involved in, in the last 3 years? Its amazing to see someone of his caliber booked like such crap. And now the latest rumor going around is that he might be working a WrestleMania match with Karrion Kross. 🤦‍♂️
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The worst bit is that AJ actually admires H and was campaigning to work with him a while back, so there’s respect there, but despite that, H wont treat him accordingly; it’s all ego. KK has next to no heat, I mean when was the last time he did anything of note on TV. KK is a H product from NXT which Vince jobbed into next week and H is getting his revenge now against AJ who actually ended up being a Vince guy despite all the booking concerns from his fans. AJ wont be around for long and this is such a big waste. There are so many names he could be working with in much better matches. Even AJ/Theory would be better, Theory has star potential at least right.

It’s personal with H, they had Theory cash in to win the US title and that was a burial in itself, since then it has been a downward spiral. And then he will pull the trigger on guys who are hot, well past their peak and hope they lose heat, while doing a pi$$ poor job getting his own little projects over.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Punk v Cena planned for SummerSlam or MITB. Gonna be off the charts with the roles reversed. Already thinking of the promos...you know they're gonna be fire.
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Should’ve gotten this 10+ years ago, it would’ve flipped pro wrestling on its head, but better late than never. Who knew Punk would be back in WWE few years ago let alone squaring up to Heel Cena… or as I’ve seen him being called.. Soul Cena
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Most probably Cena's last match will be against the final boss. :inti
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as much as I was a fan of the rock he’s been hit and miss since after he’s gone Hollywood. The final boss arc during the bloodline arc was some of his best work but for years around that 2011-2013 mark it was meh.

Really hope it’s Randy or Punk who get the final match with Cena. Those 2 rivalries are hallmarks of Cena’s career along with his rivalry with Edge.
 
Suleiman said:
as much as I was a fan of the rock he’s been hit and miss since after he’s gone Hollywood. The final boss arc during the bloodline arc was some of his best work but for years around that 2011-2013 mark it was meh.

Really hope it’s Randy or Punk who get the final match with Cena. Those 2 rivalries are hallmarks of Cena’s career along with his rivalry with Edge.
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Hollywood Rock was his most entertaining heel work IMO.
 
Suleiman said:
as much as I was a fan of the rock he’s been hit and miss since after he’s gone Hollywood. The final boss arc during the bloodline arc was some of his best work but for years around that 2011-2013 mark it was meh.

Really hope it’s Randy or Punk who get the final match with Cena. Those 2 rivalries are hallmarks of Cena’s career along with his rivalry with Edge.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Most probably Cena's last match will be against the final boss. :inti
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The Rock is going to rip his tendon off the bone if this match happens.

A roided up freak like him should think very carefully before wrestling a long singles match.

He's better off getting in the ring with someone young like Roman or Cody
 
shaz619 said:
The worst bit is that AJ actually admires H and was campaigning to work with him a while back, so there’s respect there, but despite that, H wont treat him accordingly; it’s all ego. KK has next to no heat, I mean when was the last time he did anything of note on TV. KK is a H product from NXT which Vince jobbed into next week and H is getting his revenge now against AJ who actually ended up being a Vince guy despite all the booking concerns from his fans. AJ wont be around for long and this is such a big waste. There are so many names he could be working with in much better matches. Even AJ/Theory would be better, Theory has star potential at least right.

It’s personal with H, they had Theory cash in to win the US title and that was a burial in itself, since then it has been a downward spiral. And then he will pull the trigger on guys who are hot, well past their peak and hope they lose heat, while doing a pi$$ poor job getting his own little projects over.
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I think it has been proven now that H is dogs**t when it comes to making stars. Too many guys have had their momentum quashed simply because H was unwilling to pull the trigger and move away from his preconceived plans. And the worst thing as you pointed is that even the guys he has pushed haven't necassarily been better off after the push. Just look at Damien Priest and Gunther. Everything that Gunther is today is because of him. The push has been a typical H push, where Gunther keeps winning matches and feuds that would make you think that he has been booked strong. But in actuality he isn't beating anyone of any kind of notoriety. Randy Orton is pretty much the only major name he had beaten.

Gable had his heel turn nearly a year ago. And he is literally floundering. Can you think of anyone else who is more cut out to be United States Champion? But nah, let's put the belt on Logan Paul for 250+ days
 
Suleiman said:
Should’ve gotten this 10+ years ago, it would’ve flipped pro wrestling on its head, but better late than never. Who knew Punk would be back in WWE few years ago let alone squaring up to Heel Cena… or as I’ve seen him being called.. Soul Cena
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As much as I enjoyed Punk v Cena at MITB (and the return match on RAW a year or so later), you're right in that the real money lied in having the roles reversed. Fans were absolutely sick of Cena back in 2011 and were just waiting for someone like Punk---who felt real and unfiltered---to breakthrough and take Cena's place. There is so much they could have done during that time-period and the best thing they came up with was having Punk job to HHH and tease a feud with broken down Kevin Nash that never happened, while continuing to shove Cena down our throats by having him work with Mexican JBL.
 
shaz619 said:
That’s a good point, Jericho got his biggest break in NA because of Heyman; it was not without Mick Foley’s help (He has made so many wrestlers right lol), who gave a tape to Heyman off one of his matches in Japan. Jericho was super over right away with the smark’s, pre-Internet the observer wasn’t terrible until the late 90’s onwards and they all knew about his work in the east. Austin got that gig with the WWF because of Heyman as well. Bischoff did to ECW what Tony has done to the indie scene in America, Eric obviously at least achieved something in the industry though.

Agreed, as a yearly gig it felt special but they got too big for their boots and turned it into another toy of the machine. It had potential and wasn’t terrible initially but losing RVD, Angle & Benoit were pretty huge losses, and then they went full PG mode as well and all of a sudden were booked into a corner. The biggest turning point was when Vince went on air to announce Benoit’s death imo
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IMO the whole idea was dead on arrival when they had this on the premiere: :ROFLMAO:


And then ofcourse there was the infamous December to Dismember PPV....a strong contender for the all-time worst PPV event.
 
I had a lot of respect for Moxley and thought he was one of those guys that should have been a much bigger star in WWE. Even in AEW, I enjoyed alot of his work...especially during the early years like that feud with Jericho and then later the stuff with Punk and Adam Page. But now it has become clear to me that he has completely lost his mind and needs to seek some kind of professional help. This guy has all the talent and ability in the word to be a major star but still insists on going back to his barnyard deathmatch garbage wrestling roots while subjecting the fans to this nonsense too.

I have seen alot of stuff in AEW from a guy stabbing another guy in the mouth with a hypodermic needle to a guy being lit on fire. And this was too much even for me. It grossed me out and made me want to turn away. I am surprised that they haven't been kicked off TV yet. Viewer discretion is advised.

 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I had a lot of respect for Moxley and thought he was one of those guys that should have been a much bigger star in WWE. Even in AEW, I enjoyed alot of his work...especially during the early years like that feud with Jericho and then later the stuff with Punk and Adam Page. But now it has become clear to me that he has completely lost his mind and needs to seek some kind of professional help. This guy has all the talent and ability in the word to be a major star but still insists on going back to his barnyard deathmatch garbage wrestling roots while subjecting the fans to this nonsense too.

I have seen alot of stuff in AEW from a guy stabbing another guy in the mouth with a hypodermic needle to a guy being lit on fire. And this was too much even for me. It grossed me out and made me want to turn away. I am surprised that they haven't been kicked off TV yet. Viewer discretion is advised.

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It’s go away heat, I switched off from AEW a long time ago, the way they dealt with the Punk situation just proved to me Tony isn’t serious about this business. And I can understand Mox taking it this far, but what is driving Cope to agree to this bs? He was a huge star and should know better, Moxley had success but never really fulfilled his potential due to his psychological issues. Cope came back for this? Lets hope whatever Tony is paying him is worth leaving his legacy on a sour note
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
IMO the whole idea was dead on arrival when they had this on the premiere: :ROFLMAO:


And then ofcourse there was the infamous December to Dismember PPV....a strong contender for the all-time worst PPV event.
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What about the Kelly Kelly pole thing / botch 🤣 They were a highlight though :yk
 
shaz619 said:
It’s go away heat, I switched off from AEW a long time ago, the way they dealt with the Punk situation just proved to me Tony isn’t serious about this business. And I can understand Mox taking it this far, but what is driving Cope to agree to this bs? He was a huge star and should know better, Moxley had success but never really fulfilled his potential due to his psychological issues. Cope came back for this? Lets hope whatever Tony is paying him is worth leaving his legacy on a sour note
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Yeah I have no idea what compels Edge to indulge in this garbage. This Death Riders nonsense is a company killing storyline, on-par with Young Bucks trying to be evil EVPs after they played the All In footage. And Edge has been involved in this for months now. It has gone nowhere, helped no one, and done nothing to move the needle. Edge is destroying whatever goodwill he had among the fans after his 2020 return with this AEW run.

For me, the biggest appeal of AEW is the same as watching a car crash unfold in real-time. It can at once be great, horrible, entertaining and ironic. It's hard to look away. But this Moxley stuff is not even that. It's just bad. And even the AEW die-hards are rejecting this crap in a pretty major way now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Was this segment written by Chatgpt?

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Man H can’t even do a pre-taped segment without making it look like it was phoned in, the edit on this is horrendous, would have come across way better if it was actually live. Charlotte done Tiffy real dirty there lol

All this segment needed was Jerry Lawler & Dave Meltzer on commentary.
 
RAW is in Glasgow, Scotland this week and Jey Uso is supposed to have a mystery partner in his tag match. Surely, it has to be Joe Hendry right? Seems like too good of an opportunity to pass up having the company mascot team up with one of the more viral wrestlers in the business today. We know what massive shills WWE are for social media engagement.
 
Off topic, I suffered a concussion recently and will be off for a brief period, a shame during the road to WM period and will get back to everyone soon. It’s the kick up the behind I needed during the final 10 days of Ramadan however. But it has also made me appreciate how tough wrestlers are all the more, guys like Daniel Bryan especially and stars from the golden era of the independent scene would risk everything despite being so disoriented with their head injuries, Balor suffered like 3 or 4 before he made his debut for WWE. Bryan couldn’t make a comeback for many years for the same issue, I understand it now when it’s difficult to investigate.
 
shaz619 said:
Off topic, I suffered a concussion recently and will be off for a brief period, a shame during the road to WM period and will get back to everyone soon. It’s the kick up the behind I needed during the final 10 days of Ramadan however. But it has also made me appreciate how tough wrestlers are all the more, guys like Daniel Bryan especially and stars from the golden era of the independent scene would risk everything despite being so disoriented with their head injuries, Balor suffered like 3 or 4 before he made his debut for WWE. Bryan couldn’t make a comeback for many years for the same issue, I understand it now when it’s difficult to investigate.
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Get well soon.
 
shaz619 said:
Off topic, I suffered a concussion recently and will be off for a brief period, a shame during the road to WM period and will get back to everyone soon. It’s the kick up the behind I needed during the final 10 days of Ramadan however. But it has also made me appreciate how tough wrestlers are all the more, guys like Daniel Bryan especially and stars from the golden era of the independent scene would risk everything despite being so disoriented with their head injuries, Balor suffered like 3 or 4 before he made his debut for WWE. Bryan couldn’t make a comeback for many years for the same issue, I understand it now when it’s difficult to investigate.
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Sorry to hear that bud. That sounds awful. Get well soon.
 
shaz619 said:
Off topic, I suffered a concussion recently and will be off for a brief period, a shame during the road to WM period and will get back to everyone soon. It’s the kick up the behind I needed during the final 10 days of Ramadan however. But it has also made me appreciate how tough wrestlers are all the more, guys like Daniel Bryan especially and stars from the golden era of the independent scene would risk everything despite being so disoriented with their head injuries, Balor suffered like 3 or 4 before he made his debut for WWE. Bryan couldn’t make a comeback for many years for the same issue, I understand it now when it’s difficult to investigate.
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Feel better brother. May Allah give you Shifa and accept your prayers.
 
One issue i have with heel cena now is that he's complaining about bit too much and acting like a #^#^#@^@&#.

Wwe needs to ket him cook. I thought heel cena would destroy people on the mic like he always does, and would fight harder etc.

I'm not a fan of Cody consistently cooking him every week and it's not like Cody is trying too hard.

Like I understand that he's heel now but the reason he was heel was because of the fans, but that doesnt mean they should change his core personality.

This is the guy who has literally brawled with brock lesnar, Big show, edge, roman etc etc without any fear and has destroyed people on the mic 24/7?

So it makes zero sense for him to be afraid of Cody or simply het silenced by him week by week
 
mominsaigol said:
One issue i have with heel cena now is that he's complaining about bit too much and acting like a #^#^#@^@&#.

Wwe needs to ket him cook. I thought heel cena would destroy people on the mic like he always does, and would fight harder etc.

I'm not a fan of Cody consistently cooking him every week and it's not like Cody is trying too hard.

Like I understand that he's heel now but the reason he was heel was because of the fans, but that doesnt mean they should change his core personality.

This is the guy who has literally brawled with brock lesnar, Big show, edge, roman etc etc without any fear and has destroyed people on the mic 24/7?

So it makes zero sense for him to be afraid of Cody or simply het silenced by him week by week
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If they do that, it'd make Cody look like a chump(probably) and the point of his heel turn is to make fans hate him rather than love him more.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
If they do that, it'd make Cody look like a chump(probably) and the point of his heel turn is to make fans hate him rather than love him more.
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They can still hate him by having him bully Cody lol.

As for Cody, Cody is literally a chump that's the point. Since his return everyone always destroys him in promos or the mic and literally no one respects him.

Seth rollins, Brock lesnar, Roman reigns owned him left and right on the mic and promos, however the beauty of it was that Cody always wins matches and garners respect

The likes of brock, seth and roman have no choice but to respect a guy who keeps on winning.

And funny enough that's why cena hates Cody. Because when he kept winning during his super cena reign, fans hated him and wanted him to be nerfed and not get special treatment.

But people love Super Cody and can't get enough of Cody winning.

Obviously heel cena doesn't understand that he had it extremely easy once Stephanie mcmahon and Kurt angle gave him the push while Cody had to suffer 10 years of garbage gigs such as dashing Cody rhodes and stardust.
 
It pisses me off just how much Triple H is protecting his boy Cody Rhodes. Cena can easily destroy him on the mic but Cody is being protected like he is attitude era Steve Austin or 80s Hulk Hogan.

As for Cena, this is the most interesting he has been since 2003-2004. I was worried when he announced his farewell tour that we were going to get a repeat of his super Cena babyface run of 2005-14, where he buried literally everyone, but thankfully, they turned him heel, and instantly his character has been a million times more interesting to me.

Cena should absolutely beat Cody at Mania and should hold the title for the rest of his farewell tour and only drop it in his final match to Randy Orton, who is not only a legend killer but also Cena’s greatest rival, so it would make sense for Cena to have his final match against Orton.
 
The_KING said:
It pisses me off just how much Triple H is protecting his boy Cody Rhodes. Cena can easily destroy him on the mic but Cody is being protected like he is attitude era Steve Austin or 80s Hulk Hogan.

As for Cena, this is the most interesting he has been since 2003-2004. I was worried when he announced his farewell tour that we were going to get a repeat of his super Cena babyface run of 2005-14, where he buried literally everyone, but thankfully, they turned him heel, and instantly his character has been a million times more interesting to me.

Cena should absolutely beat Cody at Mania and should hold the title for the rest of his farewell tour and only drop it in his final match to Randy Orton, who is not only a legend killer but also Cena’s greatest rival, so it would make sense for Cena to have his final match against Orton.
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Agree on everything except the last part. There is nothing to be gained from Orton beating Cena. Orton is already an established star and a multiple-time World Champion. Cena should lose the belt to someone on the rise as that would help create a new star.

Cena v Orton could be revisited after Cena wins the belt at WrestleMania, similar to how Cena v Punk could be revisited. But Cena should win on both occasions.
 
WWE is going through a rough patch. It’s not entertaining for the simple fan out there. It’s almost like a geek will come to explain and make sense of whatever just happened.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Agree on everything except the last part. There is nothing to be gained from Orton beating Cena. Orton is already an established star and a multiple-time World Champion. Cena should lose the belt to someone on the rise as that would help create a new star.
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I don’t really believe in this notion of a legend putting over some young talent in his final match. And it seems like that isn’t a common trend in WWE either. With the exception of Kurt Angle putting over Baron Corbin (which was a disaster in hindsight), I can’t think of another instance where a top guy wrestled his final match against a young star on the rise.

Legends such an Undertaker, Batista, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin all had their final matches against stars who were already well established. No reason why Cena shouldn’t wrestle an already established star such as Orton or Punk in his final match.
 
The_KING said:
I don’t really believe in this notion of a legend putting over some young talent in his final match. And it seems like that isn’t a common trend in WWE either. With the exception of Kurt Angle putting over Baron Corbin (which was a disaster in hindsight), I can’t think of another instance where a top guy wrestled his final match against a young star on the rise.

Legends such an Undertaker, Batista, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin all had their final matches against stars who were already well established. No reason why Cena shouldn’t wrestle an already established star such as Orton or Punk in his final match.
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Dont you think cody is well established... Although I think Cody will win at WM but still, Cena has still got mic skills better than cody.
 
The_KING said:
I don’t really believe in this notion of a legend putting over some young talent in his final match. And it seems like that isn’t a common trend in WWE either. With the exception of Kurt Angle putting over Baron Corbin (which was a disaster in hindsight), I can’t think of another instance where a top guy wrestled his final match against a young star on the rise.

Legends such an Undertaker, Batista, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin all had their final matches against stars who were already well established. No reason why Cena shouldn’t wrestle an already established star such as Orton or Punk in his final match.
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Creating new stars is the lifeblood of this business. If you are not creating new stars, you are not moving forward. Unless there is a specific story in place or unless someone is coming back for just one last match, I feel it makes alot of sense to use all the equity Cena has built to put someone young over in his last match. Especially with this Cena retirement tour having been announced beforehand, and him turning heel, I feel it makes even more sense to plan out him elevating someone young in his last match.
 
Cena won't win at Mania. They don't want him to beat Ric flair lol.

They literally turned him heel to avoid giving him the 17th title.

They won't put a veteran over Cody rhodes.

Cody will retain the title and will lose it to a youngster later down the line.

But I do hate that their turning cena into a coward.

Cena turned heel due to the abusive nature of wwe crowd but why would that alter his personality to the point that he's a clown on promo segments and is too afraid to fight Cody?

This is the dude who went toe to toe with the nexus, going into everyone's doorstep and beating the ever living day lights out of them?

This is the dude who bullied edge into running away from raw and entering smackdown?

This is the dude who caused brock lesnar to run away from him in a street brawl?

This is the dude who gave Miz the greatest belt smacking of all time?

This is the dude who's destroyed rock, heel Roman, brock, the undertaker and even cm punk on the mic in promos?

It makes zero sense why he's now a chump against Cody?

This is what I was afraid of with him being heel, that they change his entire personality?

They should have just made him hate the abusive crowd and that's it. No need to turn him into a Cody simp
 
mominsaigol said:
They can still hate him by having him bully Cody lol.

As for Cody, Cody is literally a chump that's the point. Since his return everyone always destroys him in promos or the mic and literally no one respects him.

Seth rollins, Brock lesnar, Roman reigns owned him left and right on the mic and promos, however the beauty of it was that Cody always wins matches and garners respect

The likes of brock, seth and roman have no choice but to respect a guy who keeps on winning.

And funny enough that's why cena hates Cody. Because when he kept winning during his super cena reign, fans hated him and wanted him to be nerfed and not get special treatment.

But people love Super Cody and can't get enough of Cody winning.

Obviously heel cena doesn't understand that he had it extremely easy once Stephanie mcmahon and Kurt angle gave him the push while Cody had to suffer 10 years of garbage gigs such as dashing Cody rhodes and stardust.
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When did Seth own Cody on mic? Seth can't even beat Dominick on mic. His promos are generic. Cody is a much better promo than Seth. I don't remember Cody's interactions with Brock on mic. I only remember Brock beating him up without stating his reason for attacking him. If you had said KO owned Cody I would have said yes. But not Seth or Brock.
Cody's best mic segments have been with Punk, last year before Royal Rumble and this year again before Rumble.
 
mominsaigol said:
Cena won't win at Mania. They don't want him to beat Ric flair lol.

They literally turned him heel to avoid giving him the 17th title.

They won't put a veteran over Cody rhodes.

Cody will retain the title and will lose it to a youngster later down the line.

But I do hate that their turning cena into a coward.

Cena turned heel due to the abusive nature of wwe crowd but why would that alter his personality to the point that he's a clown on promo segments and is too afraid to fight Cody?

This is the dude who went toe to toe with the nexus, going into everyone's doorstep and beating the ever living day lights out of them?

This is the dude who bullied edge into running away from raw and entering smackdown?

This is the dude who caused brock lesnar to run away from him in a street brawl?

This is the dude who gave Miz the greatest belt smacking of all time?

This is the dude who's destroyed rock, heel Roman, brock, the undertaker and even cm punk on the mic in promos?

It makes zero sense why he's now a chump against Cody?

This is what I was afraid of with him being heel, that they change his entire personality?

They should have just made him hate the abusive crowd and that's it. No need to turn him into a Cody simp
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Cena never beat Dwayne on mic. If anything, Cena only resorted to personal insults towards Dwayne.
Cena will win that 17th title maybe not at Mania. Trips is a big mark for making records under his watch.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Agree on everything except the last part. There is nothing to be gained from Orton beating Cena. Orton is already an established star and a multiple-time World Champion. Cena should lose the belt to someone on the rise as that would help create a new star.

Cena v Orton could be revisited after Cena wins the belt at WrestleMania, similar to how Cena v Punk could be revisited. But Cena should win on both occasions.
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Imagine Cena losing to Dom in his final match. That'd make Dom even more hated lol
 
Adam Pearce has to be like the most incompetent GM in the history of GMs lol. It's amazing how he still has his job in kayfabe.

Side-note, I am really enjoying this El Grande Americano storyline.:afridi1
 

On one hand, you do feel sympathy for H because here's a guy who finally managed to get away from being under Vince's thumb to become the booker, and the product has gotten noticeably better under his watch. On the other hand, you can't help but feel that Rocky regularly coming in and hijacking his plans is karmic payment for all the years H used his political influence backstage to bury people. Can't deny it is a bit funny to see him grovel like this too lol.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:

On one hand, you do feel sympathy for H because here's a guy who finally managed to get away from being under Vince's thumb to become the booker, and the product has gotten noticeably better under his watch. On the other hand, you can't help but feel that Rocky regularly coming in and hijacking his plans is karmic payment for all the years H used his political influence backstage to bury people. Can't deny it is a bit funny to see him grovel like this too lol.
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He's just getting it handed it back to him for what he did over the years. But he's just doing a steady job with the booking. Not anything game changing. Vince had gotten to a point where he was only good for some booking stuff. The brilliance was there but it was just like he just wasn't interested in booking of all the matches.
Trips' best booking was in NXT and his indie-WWE mix failed to translate to the bigger main roster audience (and noticeably the guys graduating to the main roster weren't still ready to swim). Would be good if he gets some help from Shawn in main roster booking as well. I don't think anyone gets prowrestling better than HBK.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Gable is a seriously gifted performer
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They can give him the goofiest storyline and he’ll still make himself look like he should be competing for a world championship.

He’s been hard done. Should’ve beaten Sami at least once and become intercontinental champion… instead they just feeding everyone to Jey.
 
Finally saw RAW. Did Cena really do the exact same promo he did last week? It was okay, I guess but it definitely felt like he was holding back. This was not him being the most hateable heel he could. It was just a bit of whining to the fans. They need to let Cena go off. This feels like someone has put the training wheels on him. He can be a much better and more interesting heel on the mic.
 
Suleiman said:
They can give him the goofiest storyline and he’ll still make himself look like he should be competing for a world championship.

He’s been hard done. Should’ve beaten Sami at least once and become intercontinental champion… instead they just feeding everyone to Jey.
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Its shocking how someone of his talent hasn't won a singles title in WWE yet.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Feels like we're missing out on his wrestling talent as well. He's considerably better than some of the names that are working as in ring talents there.
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Yes as good as he is as an on-screen personality, his true talent lies in the ring. A shame we may never see it in WWE.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Finally saw RAW. Did Cena really do the exact same promo he did last week? It was okay, I guess but it definitely felt like he was holding back. This was not him being the most hateable heel he could. It was just a bit of whining to the fans. They need to let Cena go off. This feels like someone has put the training wheels on him. He can be a much better and more interesting heel on the mic.
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Similar thing with New day. Great heel turn but not much pay off after that.
 
sweep_shot said:
Heel turns in the past were far more entertaining.

Modern day wrestling feels like there is something missing. I blame social media. It reduces the vibe.
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It has more to do with us growing up and understanding the product more. Plus internet has given dirt sheets a spot under everyone's eye which reduces the surprise element etc.
 
Just came here to post im really happy for CM Punk for this main event opportunity against Roman Reigns in a very impactful and genuine looking feud for once in his entire career. He totally deserves it after all the ups and downs in his career. It’s his moment really and he’s put a lot of work to be in this position. Physique wise he looks in remarkable shape. Looks like a million dollars. I think mentally speaking also he is probably at his absolute best being a mature man having seen it all. This Wrestlemania is a true celebration of CM Punk. Kudos brother and well done to Roman and Paul bhai for delivering it for him because in this business you can never achieve your full potential without help.

 
I have been questioning the triple threat match at Mania and will still do due to the stipulation still making no sense but I can't deny they have done an extremely good job of selling it to us. A blockbuster segment. Roman showed his best range of comedic timing here. I laughed more than I should have here. And it's astonishing that all three are still very much faces.
 
Well guys you got your wish. Punk v Rollins v Reigns in the main-event of Night One. And honestly, with the way the Jey Uso v Gunther feud has been built-up so far, I can't say it could have been any other way. This feels like a hot match. Probably the biggest match after Cena v Cody. And they have done a pretty good job of justifying why all three guys hate each other and why it has to be a three-way. Has the potential to be the best match of both nights.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Just came here to post im really happy for CM Punk for this main event opportunity against Roman Reigns in a very impactful and genuine looking feud for once in his entire career. He totally deserves it after all the ups and downs in his career. It’s his moment really and he’s put a lot of work to be in this position. Physique wise he looks in remarkable shape. Looks like a million dollars. I think mentally speaking also he is probably at his absolute best being a mature man having seen it all. This Wrestlemania is a true celebration of CM Punk. Kudos brother and well done to Roman and Paul bhai for delivering it for him because in this business you can never achieve your full potential without help.

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It was a great segment. Lots of real life stuff in there too. Main-eventing WrestleMania has always been one of Punk's biggest career goals, and him not being given that opportunity before likely had a big part to play in his exit from the company. Needless to say, he has earned it. Despite being away for 7 years, he came back an even bigger star than ever before.
 
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