The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[RedwoodOriginal]

CM Punk's AEW exit is the gift that keeps on giving.

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[Suleiman]

I have been questioning the triple threat match at Mania and will still do due to the stipulation still making no sense but I can't deny they have done an extremely good job of selling it to us. A blockbuster segment. Roman showed his best range of comedic timing here. I laughed more than I should have here. And it's astonishing that all three are still very much faces.

For real. Stakes wise it’s the lowest one but seems the most important due to the build up even tho imo the Punk and Roman feud seems a bit forced.

It should’ve been Drew in there over Roman I feel. Instead Drew is gonna have to take yet another loss it looks like by putting over Damien, triple h is so one dimensional man.

The build up to both of the world championship matches have been awful. Cody being protected and the asspull of Gunther going from a dominating force to a whimpering kid now cowering to even Jimmy who has done absolutely nothing to be treated like some kind of big shot lol.

Only this triple threat has serious build up because of Punk and Roman’s aura.

 

[Suleiman]

Like Drew’s whole gimmick rn is talking mad trash (id say he’s on level with Punk at this point with mic skills- hot take) and then losing in the actual match and then be mad about it lol. It’s hurting the integrity of his character work at this point.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It was a great segment. Lots of real life stuff in there too. Main-eventing WrestleMania has always been one of Punk's biggest career goals, and him not being given that opportunity before likely had a big part to play in his exit from the company. Needless to say, he has earned it. Despite being away for 7 years, he came back an even bigger star than ever before.

I don't think Seth and Punk or Roman and Punk still hate each other in real life. They've been in the same company for almost 1.5 months now and it's possible Seth and Punk have patched things up. Roman and Punk, I don't think had much real life animosity to begin with. KO and Punk though, I think may not be on good terms.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

For real. Stakes wise it’s the lowest one but seems the most important due to the build up even tho imo the Punk and Roman feud seems a bit forced.

It should’ve been Drew in there over Roman I feel. Instead Drew is gonna have to take yet another loss it looks like by putting over Damien, triple h is so one dimensional man.

The build up to both of the world championship matches have been awful. Cody being protected and the asspull of Gunther going from a dominating force to a whimpering kid now cowering to even Jimmy who has done absolutely nothing to be treated like some kind of big shot lol.

Only this triple threat has serious build up because of Punk and Roman’s aura.

I think that's because Roman is still the biggest draw in the company and they just want to fit him at the top. Roman Punk feud would have amazing. Same with Roman Seth. Both were blockbuster feuds.
What I didn't get from last nights segment was, Seth hated Roman so much and put him out of action after Rumble, yet here he was only hating Punk and again doing "we we" with Roman as if nothing happened at Rumble.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Like Drew’s whole gimmick rn is talking mad trash (id say he’s on level with Punk at this point with mic skills- hot take) and then losing in the actual match and then be mad about it lol. It’s hurting the integrity of his character work at this point.

IMO he should be at the very top alongside Cody. Roman, Cody and Drew are the top three in my opinion and each of them can be the face of the company. A bit like Cena, Randy and Edge.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Well guys you got your wish. Punk v Rollins v Reigns in the main-event of Night One. And honestly, with the way the Jey Uso v Gunther feud has been built-up so far, I can't say it could have been any other way. This feels like a hot match. Probably the biggest match after Cena v Cody. And they have done a pretty good job of justifying why all three guys hate each other and why it has to be a three-way. Has the potential to be the best match of both nights.

I am getting the feeling WWE is going to regret giving Jey the Rumble win this year.

 

[Suleiman]

I think that's because Roman is still the biggest draw in the company and they just want to fit him at the top. Roman Punk feud would have amazing. Same with Roman Seth. Both were blockbuster feuds.
What I didn't get from last nights segment was, Seth hated Roman so much and put him out of action after Rumble, yet here he was only hating Punk and again doing "we we" with Roman as if nothing happened at Rumble.

Exactly. There’s too much going on. They should’ve either a) created more depth between Punk and Roman and intensified their beef like they did with Punk and Drew from the start or b) continued to intensify Roman and Seth’s hatred for each other. Or c) given Seth and Punk a final showdown at WM. It should’ve been a one on one with any of the 3 options

I’m happy for Punk but he kind of feels thrown into a feud where both him and Roman have heat on Seth but not really for each other…

I really hoped Punk win the rumble, challenge Gunther, win and become champion and add some much needed importance to the WHC. It being referred to as the “working man’s champion” last year is a such a massive joke. It should be equivalent to the regular wwe belt. But WWE wants to forcefully make Jey bigger than he is.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't think Seth and Punk or Roman and Punk still hate each other in real life. They've been in the same company for almost 1.5 months now and it's possible Seth and Punk have patched things up. Roman and Punk, I don't think had much real life animosity to begin with. KO and Punk though, I think may not be on good terms.

I wasn't referring to their relationship when I said lots of real-life stuff. I was talking about the emotion that Punk was showing. I think alot of that was real. He was genuinely happy to finally get the opportunity to main-event WrestleMania after years of people telling him that he didn't fit the mold of a typical WrestleMania main-eventer.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

For real. Stakes wise it’s the lowest one but seems the most important due to the build up even tho imo the Punk and Roman feud seems a bit forced.

It should’ve been Drew in there over Roman I feel. Instead Drew is gonna have to take yet another loss it looks like by putting over Damien, triple h is so one dimensional man.

The build up to both of the world championship matches have been awful. Cody being protected and the asspull of Gunther going from a dominating force to a whimpering kid now cowering to even Jimmy who has done absolutely nothing to be treated like some kind of big shot lol.

Only this triple threat has serious build up because of Punk and Roman’s aura.

Drew being in there also wouldn't have made a ton of sense either because Drew and Seth don't really have any beef anymore. Would have been a similar dynamic with two guys not really hating each other that much. Although it definitely would have made more sense than this. I agree with you that Punk v Gunther would have been the best match. Drew v Roman (they were building towards that last year) and Seth could have been booked with anyone you want to get a high work-rate match out of. Aleister Black is returning to WWE soon. You could have booked Seth with him in a similar match to Cody v Seth from WrestleMania 38, where he debuts at WrestleMania.

Nah, I think Drew is going over Priest at WrestleMania. But still it feels like a very unimportant feud in the grand scheme of things. Drew has reached a whole new level in the last year. Whereas, Priest is kinda in the same place despite having had a run with World title.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I am getting the feeling WWE is going to regret giving Jey the Rumble win this year.

Well, its not like they didn't already know that he can't work in the ring and cuts the same promo every single time. They knew who they were pushing.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think that's because Roman is still the biggest draw in the company and they just want to fit him at the top. Roman Punk feud would have amazing. Same with Roman Seth. Both were blockbuster feuds.
What I didn't get from last nights segment was, Seth hated Roman so much and put him out of action after Rumble, yet here he was only hating Punk and again doing "we we" with Roman as if nothing happened at Rumble.

Seth comes across as the biggest idiot jobber in this feud. A little child throwing a temper tantrum because two far bigger stars than him are stealing his spotlight. I don't know who is writing this stuff, but clearly they don't think too highly of Seth.

Still I am very much enjoying it because that's what I think of Seth too.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Exactly. There’s too much going on. They should’ve either a) created more depth between Punk and Roman and intensified their beef like they did with Punk and Drew from the start or b) continued to intensify Roman and Seth’s hatred for each other. Or c) given Seth and Punk a final showdown at WM. It should’ve been a one on one with any of the 3 options

I’m happy for Punk but he kind of feels thrown into a feud where both him and Roman have heat on Seth but not really for each other…

I really hoped Punk win the rumble, challenge Gunther, win and become champion and add some much needed importance to the WHC. It being referred to as the “working man’s champion” last year is a such a massive joke. It should be equivalent to the regular wwe belt. But WWE wants to forcefully make Jey bigger than he is.

Yes giving Punk the Rumble win was logical. Giving Jey the win is 2018 level Vince thing.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Seth comes across as the biggest idiot jobber in this feud. A little child throwing a temper tantrum because two far bigger stars than him are stealing his spotlight. I don't know who is writing this stuff, but clearly they don't think too highly of Seth.

Still I am very much enjoying it because that's what I think of Seth too.

Either Seth is taking the win or weasling out with the win in the match. I don't see why else would he be in the match.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Well, its not like they didn't already know that he can't work in the ring and cuts the same promo every single time. They knew who they were pushing.

I hated Jey winning the Rumble if you remember. Cena or Punk were the only logical winners.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Either Seth is taking the win or weasling out with the win in the match. I don't see why else would he be in the match.

I think this was a convenient way for them to book all three in a big match, because they didn't have anything of substance planned for any of these guys this year. Honestly, I would have taken Punk v Roman with a better build but it is what it is I guess.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I hated Jey winning the Rumble if you remember. Cena or Punk were the only logical winners.

I was sure Punk was winning, so it was a shocking moment for me too. As for Jey Uso, I feel like he will exposed sooner rather than later, if he hasn't been exposed already. How long are people going to keep chanting 'YEET'? Every fad runs out eventually. He doesn't have the in-ring ability of a Bryan Danielson or Jeff Hardy to keep conjuring that love and adulation from the fans consistently. The only reason he is as over is because of the Bloodline storyline, which he does deserve credit for because he was a key part of that story. But in my opinion, there is no excuse for failing to improve your work. And I don't think he has improved at all in the last few years. His work just feels lazy and phoned-in, and his matches suck. In this day and age, even in WWE you cannot coast by as a main-eventer by being so rubbish in the ring.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I was sure Punk was winning, so it was a shocking moment for me too. As for Jey Uso, I feel like he will exposed sooner rather than later, if he hasn't been exposed already. How long are people going to keep chanting 'YEET'? Every fad runs out eventually. He doesn't have the in-ring ability of a Bryan Danielson or Jeff Hardy to keep conjuring that love and adulation from the fans consistently. The only reason he is as over is because of the Bloodline storyline, which he does deserve credit for because he was a key part of that story. But in my opinion, there is no excuse for failing to improve your work. And I don't think he has improved at all in the last few years. His work just feels lazy and phoned-in, and his matches suck. In this day and age, even in WWE you cannot coast by as a main-eventer by being so rubbish in the ring.

roman carried him into having pretty good singles matches between the two. that's the ability of roman i guess.

 

[sweep_shot]

Brock Lesnar stating what's wrong with today's wrestlers:

 

[Suleiman]

Brock Lesnar stating what's wrong with today's wrestlers:

He always talks like he’s cutting a promo haha. Means he’s being himself when he’s in character.

 

[Suleiman]

I was sure Punk was winning, so it was a shocking moment for me too. As for Jey Uso, I feel like he will exposed sooner rather than later, if he hasn't been exposed already. How long are people going to keep chanting 'YEET'? Every fad runs out eventually. He doesn't have the in-ring ability of a Bryan Danielson or Jeff Hardy to keep conjuring that love and adulation from the fans consistently. The only reason he is as over is because of the Bloodline storyline, which he does deserve credit for because he was a key part of that story. But in my opinion, there is no excuse for failing to improve your work. And I don't think he has improved at all in the last few years. His work just feels lazy and phoned-in, and his matches suck. In this day and age, even in WWE you cannot coast by as a main-eventer by being so rubbish in the ring.

If they really wanted a catchphrase and someone who gets the crowd going the logical choice should’ve been LA Knight. He was far more over, better in ring presence, and more depth to his character than just chanting a four letter word. but Knight said himself that he heard they weren’t gonna push him because he’s “a bit older” even tho none of the other guys being pushed are exactly young either…

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If they really wanted a catchphrase and someone who gets the crowd going the logical choice should’ve been LA Knight. He was far more over, better in ring presence, and more depth to his character than just chanting a four letter word. but Knight said himself that he heard they weren’t gonna push him because he’s “a bit older” even tho none of the other guys being pushed are exactly young either…

Couldn't agree more. It's criminal how H has booked L.A Knight. When I think back to his first major feud with Bray, it almost felt like he was set up to fail. And yet he kept proving them wrong and kept getting more and more popular. Even now, despite the dogs**t booking, he gets some of the strongest crowd-reactions at live-events and on international tours. And the best they can come up with is a US Championship run that is very hard to care for. You saying this just makes me think of how much infinitely better it would have been if LA Knight was in the same position as Jey Uso, going for the World title against Gunther.

 

[Suleiman]

Couldn't agree more. It's criminal how H has booked L.A Knight. When I think back to his first major feud with Bray, it almost felt like he was set up to fail. And yet he kept proving them wrong and kept getting more and more popular. Even now, despite the dogs**t booking, he gets some of the strongest crowd-reactions at live-events and on international tours. And the best they can come up with is a US Championship run that is very hard to care for. You saying this just makes me think of how much infinitely better it would have been if LA Knight was in the same position as Jey Uso, going for the World title against Gunther.

They literally have to nerf Gunther’s presence to make Jey look good. If you have to nerf a strong champion to look weaker than the challenger, then said challenger has no business fighting for the belt.

La vs Gunther would’ve been crazy

They made Gunther look like a complete wimp last 2 weeks, not only with Jey just taking his belt lol but then Jimmy smacking him around… what on earth has Jimmy down to be able to move like that aside from being Jey’s brother and being Samoan lol

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

They literally have to nerf Gunther’s presence to make Jey look good. If you have to nerf a strong champion to look weaker than the challenger, then said challenger has no business fighting for the belt.

La vs Gunther would’ve been crazy

They made Gunther look like a complete wimp last 2 weeks, not only with Jey just taking his belt lol but then Jimmy smacking him around… what on earth has Jimmy down to be able to move like that aside from being Jey’s brother and being Samoan lol

It isn't even a groundbreaking idea. They did the exact same thing when Gunther was feuding with Priest last year. Not only is Jey Uso not being elevated but you are making Gunther look bad, whose entire gimmick ever since his IC title reign has been built on him being an invincible machine that you can't beat.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

They literally have to nerf Gunther’s presence to make Jey look good. If you have to nerf a strong champion to look weaker than the challenger, then said challenger has no business fighting for the belt.

La vs Gunther would’ve been crazy

They made Gunther look like a complete wimp last 2 weeks, not only with Jey just taking his belt lol but then Jimmy smacking him around… what on earth has Jimmy down to be able to move like that aside from being Jey’s brother and being Samoan lol

Jimmy is a midcarder at best, him going around slapping the World Champion is absurd. I wouldn’t even call it bad booking—it's more along the lines of brainless booking. Making one of your top champions look this weak is baffling. It honestly feels like they’re bereft of ideas with this feud, just throwing $hit at the wall and hoping something sticks. None of it makes any sense.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

How long before people start getting sick of Triple H's booking style and want Shawn to take over? For me, its already starting to get to that point.

 

[Bhaijaan]

How long before people start getting sick of Triple H's booking style and want Shawn to take over? For me, its already starting to get to that point.

I’m want Stephanie to take over

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I’m want Stephanie to take over

Oh god please no

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Cena and Cody dropped some fire on the mic tonight. This was the segment this feud desperately needed. Finally we get to see the savage side of Cena.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

“I don’t bury talent. I am talent. I bury mediocrity.”

“I make empires for billionaires. All you’ve ever done is steal money from their kids.”

 

[Suleiman]

“I don’t bury talent. I am talent. I bury mediocrity.”

“I make empires for billionaires. All you’ve ever done is steal money from their kids.”

Yo that last bar by Cena was crazy. His delivery on the mic is so scathing lmao. Cody brought his A Game as well tbf and was able to stand toe to toe with Cena who is an ATG on the mic.

Cue the classic heel sucker punch attempt into Cross Rhodes. Amazing

Unfortunately all of this was tarnished due to screen time of Logan Paul, with a legend like AJ having to waste his time with him… while real talent is being wasted on gimmick storylines. Triple H man… this dude is clueless

 

[Suleiman]

Also, finally letting Gunther resume on the carnage he promised to rain upon Jey. Good save considering the last few weeks

 

[Suleiman]

The verbal sparring between unhinged Soul Cena and Punk / Randy when those feuds do happen will be crazy. Esp with Punk. Every promo he’s delivering now is with intent to bury

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Also, finally letting Gunther resume on the carnage he promised to rain upon Jey. Good save considering the last few weeks

Full props to them. This angle was brilliant and took this feud to the next level. They've won me over for now.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I can't believe they let Gunther murder Jimmy Uso in the ring like that

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yo that last bar by Cena was crazy. His delivery on the mic is so scathing lmao. Cody brought his A Game as well tbf and was able to stand toe to toe with Cena who is an ATG on the mic.

Cue the classic heel sucker punch attempt into Cross Rhodes. Amazing

Unfortunately all of this was tarnished due to screen time of Logan Paul, with a legend like AJ having to waste his time with him… while real talent is being wasted on gimmick storylines. Triple H man… this dude is clueless

I thought this was the perfect segment. Cena was undoubtedly better on the mic, but Cody got some pretty good lines in and came out on top at the end by leaving Cena laying. They further established Cena as a heel (his motive and all) while keeping Cody's credibility intact.

What a waste of AJ's talents. Now he will have to go out there and do a spot fest because that's the only thing this idiot is capable of doing.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Only nitpick in the Uso-Gunther angle, it doesn't make sense for no one to come out and stop Gunther from basically murdering Jimmy Uso. Are they really telling us that they had like 5 security guards in the back? all of whom were immediately destroyed by Gunther the moment they came out. Still, a fantastic angle.

 

[mominsaigol]

I thought this was the perfect segment. Cena was undoubtedly better on the mic, but Cody got some pretty good lines in and came out on top at the end by leaving Cena laying. They further established Cena as a heel (his motive and all) while keeping Cody's credibility intact.

What a waste of AJ's talents. Now he will have to go out there and do a spot fest because that's the only thing this idiot is capable of doing.

One of the best segments of all time.

Cena doing what he does best, tearing people down on the mic but also lifting and boosting them up simultaneously

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Cena and Cody dropped some fire on the mic tonight. This was the segment this feud desperately needed. Finally we get to see the savage side of Cena.

Cena was visibly holding back so Cody wouldn't be buried, similar to how Dwayne held back against Cena during their feud. The segments are designed to get the new face have the upper hand.
Last time they let Cena lose on the mic, he destroyed AJ on mic or the big dog Roman.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yo that last bar by Cena was crazy. His delivery on the mic is so scathing lmao. Cody brought his A Game as well tbf and was able to stand toe to toe with Cena who is an ATG on the mic.

Cue the classic heel sucker punch attempt into Cross Rhodes. Amazing

Unfortunately all of this was tarnished due to screen time of Logan Paul, with a legend like AJ having to waste his time with him… while real talent is being wasted on gimmick storylines. Triple H man… this dude is clueless

Cena was holding back. Cody did his best (WWE style promo wise). Cena could have destroyed Cody. All Cody would have done would have been to switch to his AEW inside references promo.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Cena was holding back. Cody did his best (WWE style promo wise). Cena could have destroyed Cody. All Cody would have done would have been to switch to his AEW inside references promo.

I dunno I thought he did destroy Cody, and Cody got some points on him too with stuff like the Vince remark. I don't mind Cena holding back if he is going to unleash the rest in later weeks. As far as AEW references are concerned, Cena dropped the biggest AEW reference when he said Cody steals from billionairess's kids lmao. What a great line btw.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Cena was visibly holding back so Cody wouldn't be buried, similar to how Dwayne held back against Cena during their feud. The segments are designed to get the new face have the upper hand.
Last time they let Cena lose on the mic, he destroyed AJ on mic or the big dog Roman.

On the mic I thought it was fairly obvious that Cena had the upper hand. At the same time you can't just bury your top babyface and World Champion by having the top heel kill him on the mic. For me this was a pretty evenly balanced segment. Cena got the upper hand on the mic but Cody was smart enough to see the cheap shot coming and to leave him laying and come out on top. After what they did to Cody at Elimination Chamber he needed something to establish his credibility too.

 

[MK7Z]

Failing to hype it up much. Next thing is probably Gunther putting a beating on Jimmy. Maybe even Rikishi gets a slap. Motivate Jey etc etc etc

@shaz619 . Just need Rikishi to get a slap now and my prediction from a few weeks ago was bang on.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@shaz619 . Just need Rikishi to get a slap now and my prediction from a few weeks ago was bang on.

Gunther needs to destroy Rikishi and send him to the hospital. Now that would be some serious heat. Infact you could do that after Rikishi slaps him.

 

[MK7Z]

After an attempted stinkface turns into a Gunther Power bomb

Gunther needs to destroy Rikishi and send him to the hospital. Now that would be some serious heat. Infact you could do that after Rikishi slaps him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The deafening silence and realisation of truth when Cena spoke Dude burried Cody

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The fact that Logan Paul's wrestling personality is a mirror image of his real life personality makes people forget how bland and generic he id on the mic. He is basically playing the same generic arrogant newcomer heel gimmick that every new wrestler is given because they can't do anything else. Dude rarely has anything fresh or interesting to say. It's the same wah-wah I'm rich, you're poor...I'm the fastest rising star blah blah blah...I have so many social media followers. Most overpushed wrestler on the roster.

I had this sickening feeling the moment Logan Paul eliminated AJ Styles in the Royal Rumble, that they were going to do a WrestleMania match between these two. These are AJ's last few years and this is how Triple H is wasting them.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Also, petition to fire Pat MacAfee and get Corey Graves back on RAW? This guy has become absolutely insufferable on commentary. He always hijacks everything and makes it about himself, and is rarely ever serious or professional, even when its his job to sell some of the more serious moments. Today this idiot was dancing when Jey Uso made his entrance to save his brother from getting choked out by Gunther lol. This is why the marks should stay in the stands. You start involving them in the product and eventually they will start acting like marks.

 

[Suleiman]

The fact that Logan Paul's wrestling personality is a mirror image of his real life personality makes people forget how bland and generic he id on the mic. He is basically playing the same generic arrogant newcomer heel gimmick that every new wrestler is given because they can't do anything else. Dude rarely has anything fresh or interesting to say. It's the same wah-wah I'm rich, you're poor...I'm the fastest rising star blah blah blah...I have so many social media followers. Most overpushed wrestler on the roster.

I had this sickening feeling the moment Logan Paul eliminated AJ Styles in the Royal Rumble, that they were going to do a WrestleMania match between these two. These are AJ's last few years and this is how Triple H is wasting them.

i agree. But his new finisher is

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

i agree. But his new finisher is

Credit where credit is due

 

[Suleiman]

Credit where credit is due

It actually angers me that a guy like him has that as a finisher because outside of that he has no business being there… his presence in WWE makes WWE seem far less serious and reduces the luster of whichever star is working with him esp established guys like AJ, Punk, KO, LA.

 

[The_KING]

Gunter is someone who I didn’t think highly of at the beginning but he grew on me massively during the course of his IC title run. But his world title run has been a complete joke. He deserves better than to face Jey Uso at wrestlemania. Honestly how did Jey Uso win the royal rumble? He is an average wrestler who does endless super kicks. Honestly how did he get over with the crowd? By saying Yeet which is the most stupid thing ever. Gunter deserves better.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

On the mic I thought it was fairly obvious that Cena had the upper hand. At the same time you can't just bury your top babyface and World Champion by having the top heel kill him on the mic. For me this was a pretty evenly balanced segment. Cena got the upper hand on the mic but Cody was smart enough to see the cheap shot coming and to leave him laying and come out on top. After what they did to Cody at Elimination Chamber he needed something to establish his credibility too.

Cena did but I am saying even then Cena was visibly not giving his best here.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I dunno I thought he did destroy Cody, and Cody got some points on him too with stuff like the Vince remark. I don't mind Cena holding back if he is going to unleash the rest in later weeks. As far as AEW references are concerned, Cena dropped the biggest AEW reference when he said Cody steals from billionairess's kids lmao. What a great line btw.

I doubt they'll let Cena loose. WWE wouldn't want to derail Cody's momentum.

 

[Suleiman]

Gunter is someone who I didn’t think highly of at the beginning but he grew on me massively during the course of his IC title run. But his world title run has been a complete joke. He deserves better than to face Jey Uso at wrestlemania. Honestly how did Jey Uso win the royal rumble? He is an average wrestler who does endless super kicks. Honestly how did he get over with the crowd? By saying Yeet which is the most stupid thing ever. Gunter deserves better.

He should’ve been facing punk and Roman and Seth should’ve been finishing unfinished business from Shield and Bloodline sagas one on one.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It actually angers me that a guy like him has that as a finisher because outside of that he has no business being there… his presence in WWE makes WWE seem far less serious and reduces the luster of whichever star is working with him esp established guys like AJ, Punk, KO, LA.

That's one of the unfortunate downsides of WWE becoming this giant behemoth. You have someone like him coming in and being booked in a prominent position eventhough he only appeals to kids. As I've said before, it buries the product in a major way. But I guess they've come to a point where they care more about social media metrics then protecting the business.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Cena did but I am saying even then Cena was visibly not giving his best here.

Can't say I agree. I thought this was a great segment

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I doubt they'll let Cena loose. WWE wouldn't want to derail Cody's momentum.

Lose or win?

 

[sweep_shot]

I doubt they'll let Cena loose. WWE wouldn't want to derail Cody's momentum.

I think they should book 2 matches (one at Wrestlemania and one later on). Have Cody win one and Cena win one.

That way, they can make both look good.

Burying Cody is not a good idea. I agree.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

El Grande Americano reminds me of this

Any SvR 2011 fans in the house?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Lose or win?

I mean let Cena loose on mic.
Cody's probably still winning at Mania.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

El Grande Americano reminds me of this

Any SvR 2011 fans in the house?

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Gable >>>> Swagger

 

[Suleiman]

I mean let Cena loose on mic.
Cody's probably still winning at Mania.

I really really hope not. Entire audience will turn on Cody if this happens because his reign has become so tiresome. Even the everyday fans who hate Cena now know he has to win for the story to progress.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I mean let Cena loose on mic.
Cody's probably still winning at Mania.

Nah, I think Cena is winning at Mania.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Gable >>>> Swagger

Not sure if that's a high bar lol. Still can't believe he's a former World Champion. WWE during that time was the pits.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Nah, I think Cena is winning at Mania.

i hope so. but wwe can be very predictive at times.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I really really hope not. Entire audience will turn on Cody if this happens because his reign has become so tiresome. Even the everyday fans who hate Cena now know he has to win for the story to progress.

i do hope Cena wins but WWE is known to play safe and unimaginative at times which is why i loved AE for the swerves.

 

[shaz619]

The promo for my return from a head injury @RedwoodOriginal @Suleiman



Guys, word of advice, any kind of knock get immediate attention; alhamdulillah I got lucky and recovering better through praying in the last 10 days. And also Belated Eid Mubarak to everyone.

On that vignette, I wont lie, it’s pretty good isn’t it. When it comes to general presentation, entrances, vignettes and the overall production values of a specific character; H was fantastic in that department and probably had a great deal of input on that front back in the day, just as a recent example he has done a pretty good job with Penta in that area.

But as with H’s ring career and now seen in his booking style, everything is fine until that first bell rings, after that he loses his marbles, part of it is driven by how petty he is and majority of it is his lack of competence between the ropes at the highest level.

I watched NXT from last week and it amazes me what a night and day difference there was between H and Shawn’s booking style, H booked for marks like me and to get himself over, while Shawn is booking his guys & gals to get over with the wider audience. The other thing which came to my head was all the talent which H had at his disposal, he had the benefit of working with wrestlers who were vastly experienced and the women’s roster he had will probably end up in the HOF, Shawn is getting a bunch of nobodies over with no prior wrestling background and if they did then they didn’t have as much hype behind them, the episodes are very cohesive and flow so well and he keeps you on your toes, from week to week he is maximising their time on TV and they work to get over, not have a forced ‘5* match’, just think of this, names like; Fellon Henley, Vasquer, Jaida Parker, Trick Williams & Oba Femi are outdrawing the likes of MJF, Kenny Omega, Daniel Bryan, Moxley and Edge (F Cope).

H couldn’t beat AEW with the Undisputed Era, Gargano/Ciampa, Finn Balor, Matt Riddle, Velveteen Dream, Keith Lee, Rhea Ripley, Iyo Sky, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair & special appearances from main roster talent, and this was before AEW stacked their own roster. And that’s with the help H had from Ryan Ward, William Regal and Gabe Sapolsky.

Shawn is the best booker in wrestling since CM Punk; those who know, know. Tell me when am telling lies

 

[shaz619]

I’ve seen a negative reaction here to Cena’s work recently and I will take the contrary view that his promo’s are deliberately designed to illicit this response from the smark fanbase as well. Cena’s promo’s are also helping elevate Cody Rhodes to another level during promo battles (how often do we see this, it’s like never, the norm is to bury your opponent and shoot on them during a ‘serious’ feud but here they are not going down that route, the task is to make Cody the biggest star in wrestling), you guys wanted Cody to win desperately a few years ago and now you want heel Cena to cook him? Cena is one evil SOB and he has taken his game to another level altogether; for a turn which we would have cheered because it’s what we have wanted for years, they’ve flipped the switch on us by doing the turn in a way which forces us to boo Cena out the building every week and build as much heat on Cody as he possibly can.

Jey/Gunther has been missing for weeks and we desperately needed that segment last week, I know we all criticised the slap but the response this week was greta because Gunther almost killed Jimmy; nice call back to Roman Reigns abusing Jey in a similar manner during the Covid episodes. Finally, they can go back to building this properly now, though it hurts me not to see Chad Gable in this spot; he is the true successor to Angle and can get cow dung over if you throw it at him. But H probably has a bias against him due to his size, he mistreated Jericho for similar reasons in the late 90’s and tried to sabotage his push, H agreed to do that false finish in 1999 where Jericho won the WWF title because his low IQ incompetent self thought it wouldn’t get the reaction it did, after that Jericho became a McMahon project, he always was but it gave his push more ammunition.

On a more positive note, I think Rhea/Iyo/Belair actually has heat and they’ve built the drama quiet well between the three. And despite her poor booking, Iyo Sky is a special talent who gets herself over when the bell rings, she is small but cuts the ring off so well that you don’t really notice how petite she is, easily the best female high flyer I’ve ever seen and has similar charisma to Rey Mysterio Jnr. Rhea Ripley is so over though right, wherever she goes she’s a main eventer. Bianca can transition to that and I actually think she will be a much better heel.

The multi-man ladder match is what it is, maybe Bron should move on to bigger things? and they give the belt to Dom? Bron did deserve the match with AJ Styles though.

I don’t really want to see AJ in a multi-man ladder match, so I will have to accept Logan Paul as his opponent. I’ve buried Logan quiet a bit but his character work is excellent, he’s a natural on TV and with a mic in hand. Am not a fan of his ring work but he should compliment AJ well, if anything, there will be less pressure on AJ because he will have the freedom to lead and I think he will respond quiet well with the reduced expectations & more challenging opponent to work with from the POV off having a decent match; it could define his Mania legacy, the guy who carried Logan Paul to a classic, styles make fights and at least AJ will be exposed to a bigger audience as all the Youtube re!ards will be watching this. My biggest criticism is that Logan is a part timer, and with that in mind, I don’t think it’s a good investment to give him a showcase match with AJ, Logan will be gone for many months and do something else before showing up for another big 4 PPV, how do you quantify your return on such an investment? Bron or Gable the match with AJ, Gable only worked with AJ once when he was new to the main roster and they had instant chemistry.

Oh and how can I not speak of my GOAT; CM Punk, killing it on house shows & on TV every week, he is never out of place in any segment and if anything, Roman & Seth have had to step up to match his aura because boy does Punk have presence in the ring. I don’t care if it’s Night 1, but to see Heyman announce he’s in the main event of Wrestlemania was a moment that hit me right in the feels, this is what Punk fans have been waiting for more than a decade, this was the last mountain for Punk to climb and I hope he gets there and cements his greatness; scenes in Las Vegas!

 

[sweep_shot]

The promo for my return from a head injury @RedwoodOriginal @Suleiman



Guys, word of advice, any kind of knock get immediate attention; alhamdulillah I got lucky and recovering better through praying in the last 10 days. And also Belated Eid Mubarak to everyone.

On that vignette, I wont lie, it’s pretty good isn’t it. When it comes to general presentation, entrances, vignettes and the overall production values of a specific character; H was fantastic in that department and probably had a great deal of input on that front back in the day, just as a recent example he has done a pretty good job with Penta in that area.

But as with H’s ring career and now seen in his booking style, everything is fine until that first bell rings, after that he loses his marbles, part of it is driven by how petty he is and majority of it is his lack of competence between the ropes at the highest level.

I watched NXT from last week and it amazes me what a night and day difference there was between H and Shawn’s booking style, H booked for marks like me and to get himself over, while Shawn is booking his guys & gals to get over with the wider audience. The other thing which came to my head was all the talent which H had at his disposal, he had the benefit of working with wrestlers who were vastly experienced and the women’s roster he had will probably end up in the HOF, Shawn is getting a bunch of nobodies over with no prior wrestling background and if they did then they didn’t have as much hype behind them, the episodes are very cohesive and flow so well and he keeps you on your toes, from week to week he is maximising their time on TV and they work to get over, not have a forced ‘5* match’, just think of this, names like; Fellon Henley, Vasquer, Jaida Parker, Trick Williams & Oba Femi are outdrawing the likes of MJF, Kenny Omega, Daniel Bryan, Moxley and Edge (F Cope).

H couldn’t beat AEW with the Undisputed Era, Gargano/Ciampa, Finn Balor, Matt Riddle, Velveteen Dream, Keith Lee, Rhea Ripley, Iyo Sky, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair & special appearances from main roster talent, and this was before AEW stacked their own roster. And that’s with the help H had from Ryan Ward, William Regal and Gabe Sapolsky.

Shawn is the best booker in wrestling since CM Punk; those who know, know. Tell me when am telling lies

Good to see you back. I hope you are feeling better now.

 

[Suleiman]

I’ve seen a negative reaction here to Cena’s work recently and I will take the contrary view that his promo’s are deliberately designed to illicit this response from the smark fanbase as well. Cena’s promo’s are also helping elevate Cody Rhodes to another level during promo battles (how often do we see this, it’s like never, the norm is to bury your opponent and shoot on them during a ‘serious’ feud but here they are not going down that route, the task is to make Cody the biggest star in wrestling), you guys wanted Cody to win desperately a few years ago and now you want heel Cena to cook him? Cena is one evil SOB and he has taken his game to another level altogether; for a turn which we would have cheered because it’s what we have wanted for years, they’ve flipped the switch on us by doing the turn in a way which forces us to boo Cena out the building every week and build as much heat on Cody as he possibly can.

Jey/Gunther has been missing for weeks and we desperately needed that segment last week, I know we all criticised the slap but the response this week was greta because Gunther almost killed Jimmy; nice call back to Roman Reigns abusing Jey in a similar manner during the Covid episodes. Finally, they can go back to building this properly now, though it hurts me not to see Chad Gable in this spot; he is the true successor to Angle and can get cow dung over if you throw it at him. But H probably has a bias against him due to his size, he mistreated Jericho for similar reasons in the late 90’s and tried to sabotage his push, H agreed to do that false finish in 1999 where Jericho won the WWF title because his low IQ incompetent self thought it wouldn’t get the reaction it did, after that Jericho became a McMahon project, he always was but it gave his push more ammunition.

On a more positive note, I think Rhea/Iyo/Belair actually has heat and they’ve built the drama quiet well between the three. And despite her poor booking, Iyo Sky is a special talent who gets herself over when the bell rings, she is small but cuts the ring off so well that you don’t really notice how petite she is, easily the best female high flyer I’ve ever seen and has similar charisma to Rey Mysterio Jnr. Rhea Ripley is so over though right, wherever she goes she’s a main eventer. Bianca can transition to that and I actually think she will be a much better heel.

The multi-man ladder match is what it is, maybe Bron should move on to bigger things? and they give the belt to Dom? Bron did deserve the match with AJ Styles though.

I don’t really want to see AJ in a multi-man ladder match, so I will have to accept Logan Paul as his opponent. I’ve buried Logan quiet a bit but his character work is excellent, he’s a natural on TV and with a mic in hand. Am not a fan of his ring work but he should compliment AJ well, if anything, there will be less pressure on AJ because he will have the freedom to lead and I think he will respond quiet well with the reduced expectations & more challenging opponent to work with from the POV off having a decent match; it could define his Mania legacy, the guy who carried Logan Paul to a classic, styles make fights and at least AJ will be exposed to a bigger audience as all the Youtube re!ards will be watching this. My biggest criticism is that Logan is a part timer, and with that in mind, I don’t think it’s a good investment to give him a showcase match with AJ, Logan will be gone for many months and do something else before showing up for another big 4 PPV, how do you quantify your return on such an investment? Bron or Gable the match with AJ, Gable only worked with AJ once when he was new to the main roster and they had instant chemistry.

Oh and how can I not speak of my GOAT; CM Punk, killing it on house shows & on TV every week, he is never out of place in any segment and if anything, Roman & Seth have had to step up to match his aura because boy does Punk have presence in the ring. I don’t care if it’s Night 1, but to see Heyman announce he’s in the main event of Wrestlemania was a moment that hit me right in the feels, this is what Punk fans have been waiting for more than a decade, this was the last mountain for Punk to climb and I hope he gets there and cements his greatness; scenes in Las Vegas!

Agree with everything. It really is sad that they treat Gable as comic relief and nothing more when he can easily go down that route of the Wrestling Machine gimmick Angle had in 2006 on Smackdown / ECW and in TNA right after. H is so poor at identifying talent man. Instead he continues to force Jimmy and Jey on everyone and that clown Logan Paul… imagine Chad v AJ. Woulda been epic.

Also I don’t think Cena was holding back on the mic, he went after everything that one can criticize Cody for… if anything Cody held back regarding Cena’s actual backstage antics regarding burials and that reality show with his Bella wife… there’s actually a lot of material regarding Cena during his super Cena days but stooping to that level is not something a babyface like him can do rn, otherwise his indie promos as a heel were brutal.

 

[Suleiman]

The promo for my return from a head injury @RedwoodOriginal @Suleiman



Guys, word of advice, any kind of knock get immediate attention; alhamdulillah I got lucky and recovering better through praying in the last 10 days. And also Belated Eid Mubarak to everyone.

On that vignette, I wont lie, it’s pretty good isn’t it. When it comes to general presentation, entrances, vignettes and the overall production values of a specific character; H was fantastic in that department and probably had a great deal of input on that front back in the day, just as a recent example he has done a pretty good job with Penta in that area.

But as with H’s ring career and now seen in his booking style, everything is fine until that first bell rings, after that he loses his marbles, part of it is driven by how petty he is and majority of it is his lack of competence between the ropes at the highest level.

I watched NXT from last week and it amazes me what a night and day difference there was between H and Shawn’s booking style, H booked for marks like me and to get himself over, while Shawn is booking his guys & gals to get over with the wider audience. The other thing which came to my head was all the talent which H had at his disposal, he had the benefit of working with wrestlers who were vastly experienced and the women’s roster he had will probably end up in the HOF, Shawn is getting a bunch of nobodies over with no prior wrestling background and if they did then they didn’t have as much hype behind them, the episodes are very cohesive and flow so well and he keeps you on your toes, from week to week he is maximising their time on TV and they work to get over, not have a forced ‘5* match’, just think of this, names like; Fellon Henley, Vasquer, Jaida Parker, Trick Williams & Oba Femi are outdrawing the likes of MJF, Kenny Omega, Daniel Bryan, Moxley and Edge (F Cope).

H couldn’t beat AEW with the Undisputed Era, Gargano/Ciampa, Finn Balor, Matt Riddle, Velveteen Dream, Keith Lee, Rhea Ripley, Iyo Sky, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair & special appearances from main roster talent, and this was before AEW stacked their own roster. And that’s with the help H had from Ryan Ward, William Regal and Gabe Sapolsky.

Shawn is the best booker in wrestling since CM Punk; those who know, know. Tell me when am telling lies

Good to see you back bro, hope you’re feeling better

 

[Bhaijaan]

Nah, I think Cena is winning at Mania.

Is he even retiring for real?

 

[shaz619]

Agree with everything. It really is sad that they treat Gable as comic relief and nothing more when he can easily go down that route of the Wrestling Machine gimmick Angle had in 2006 on Smackdown / ECW and in TNA right after. H is so poor at identifying talent man. Instead he continues to force Jimmy and Jey on everyone and that clown Logan Paul… imagine Chad v AJ. Woulda been epic.

Also I don’t think Cena was holding back on the mic, he went after everything that one can criticize Cody for… if anything Cody held back regarding Cena’s actual backstage antics regarding burials and that reality show with his Bella wife… there’s actually a lot of material regarding Cena during his super Cena days but stooping to that level is not something a babyface like him can do rn, otherwise his indie promos as a heel were brutal.

Spot on and AJ had so many legendary matches with Kurt, working with Gable at Mania could have been special.

I just think they have the right balance between the two atm, Cena is doing what a proper heel should be doing and trying to get as much heat possible, and Cody is cutting some of the best baby face promos of his life in my opinion, they are raw, authentic and flow really well, he is really stepping up and running with the ball, I had my doubts but I respect him more and more each day, credit to Cena as well because he is selflessly doing his best to get Cody over in a way, no other major star has passed the ball quiet like this.

 

[shaz619]

Good to see you back bro, hope you’re feeling better

Nice one bro much better now alhamdulillah, am rearing to rip H a new one every week. These overseas fans deserved so much better during WM season, he has coasted on the big name appearances.

 

[Suleiman]

Nice one bro much better now alhamdulillah, am rearing to rip H a new one every week. These overseas fans deserved so much better during WM season, he has coasted on the big name appearances.

Am with you. His booking has the same tempo as his monotonous 25 mins promos on raw every week during his reign of terror.

I’m sad that Cena used that “I bury” heat in his promo, the actual guy who should use those words is Triple H who has buried and continues to bury stars who deserve so much more. Deserved a shovel and not a sledgehammer

 

[BunnyRabbit]

The promo for my return from a head injury @RedwoodOriginal @Suleiman



Guys, word of advice, any kind of knock get immediate attention; alhamdulillah I got lucky and recovering better through praying in the last 10 days. And also Belated Eid Mubarak to everyone.

On that vignette, I wont lie, it’s pretty good isn’t it. When it comes to general presentation, entrances, vignettes and the overall production values of a specific character; H was fantastic in that department and probably had a great deal of input on that front back in the day, just as a recent example he has done a pretty good job with Penta in that area.

But as with H’s ring career and now seen in his booking style, everything is fine until that first bell rings, after that he loses his marbles, part of it is driven by how petty he is and majority of it is his lack of competence between the ropes at the highest level.

I watched NXT from last week and it amazes me what a night and day difference there was between H and Shawn’s booking style, H booked for marks like me and to get himself over, while Shawn is booking his guys & gals to get over with the wider audience. The other thing which came to my head was all the talent which H had at his disposal, he had the benefit of working with wrestlers who were vastly experienced and the women’s roster he had will probably end up in the HOF, Shawn is getting a bunch of nobodies over with no prior wrestling background and if they did then they didn’t have as much hype behind them, the episodes are very cohesive and flow so well and he keeps you on your toes, from week to week he is maximising their time on TV and they work to get over, not have a forced ‘5* match’, just think of this, names like; Fellon Henley, Vasquer, Jaida Parker, Trick Williams & Oba Femi are outdrawing the likes of MJF, Kenny Omega, Daniel Bryan, Moxley and Edge (F Cope).

H couldn’t beat AEW with the Undisputed Era, Gargano/Ciampa, Finn Balor, Matt Riddle, Velveteen Dream, Keith Lee, Rhea Ripley, Iyo Sky, Becky Lynch, Charlotte Flair & special appearances from main roster talent, and this was before AEW stacked their own roster. And that’s with the help H had from Ryan Ward, William Regal and Gabe Sapolsky.

Shawn is the best booker in wrestling since CM Punk; those who know, know. Tell me when am telling lies

Good to see you back and hope you're feeling better.
I think Trips NXT was basically for a specific small audience and it delivered on that front. It probably featured the best "indie" wrestling in mold of WWE. When that talent moved over to the much bigger audience of main roster, a lot of them failed to connect with them due to enormous difference between the two's styles and goals.
Current NXT is basically the proper developmental and its goal is to prepare the best wrestlers to succeed at the main roster. And that Shawn is just providing a developmental project that is cohesive and a great watch is a massive achievement. On top of that, NXT outdrawing AEW is merely a testament to his ability.
I wouldn't say Trips NXT was bad cause it was some of the best weekly television during that time around especially when main roster was full of borefests.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I’ve seen a negative reaction here to Cena’s work recently and I will take the contrary view that his promo’s are deliberately designed to illicit this response from the smark fanbase as well. Cena’s promo’s are also helping elevate Cody Rhodes to another level during promo battles (how often do we see this, it’s like never, the norm is to bury your opponent and shoot on them during a ‘serious’ feud but here they are not going down that route, the task is to make Cody the biggest star in wrestling), you guys wanted Cody to win desperately a few years ago and now you want heel Cena to cook him? Cena is one evil SOB and he has taken his game to another level altogether; for a turn which we would have cheered because it’s what we have wanted for years, they’ve flipped the switch on us by doing the turn in a way which forces us to boo Cena out the building every week and build as much heat on Cody as he possibly can.

Jey/Gunther has been missing for weeks and we desperately needed that segment last week, I know we all criticised the slap but the response this week was greta because Gunther almost killed Jimmy; nice call back to Roman Reigns abusing Jey in a similar manner during the Covid episodes. Finally, they can go back to building this properly now, though it hurts me not to see Chad Gable in this spot; he is the true successor to Angle and can get cow dung over if you throw it at him. But H probably has a bias against him due to his size, he mistreated Jericho for similar reasons in the late 90’s and tried to sabotage his push, H agreed to do that false finish in 1999 where Jericho won the WWF title because his low IQ incompetent self thought it wouldn’t get the reaction it did, after that Jericho became a McMahon project, he always was but it gave his push more ammunition.

On a more positive note, I think Rhea/Iyo/Belair actually has heat and they’ve built the drama quiet well between the three. And despite her poor booking, Iyo Sky is a special talent who gets herself over when the bell rings, she is small but cuts the ring off so well that you don’t really notice how petite she is, easily the best female high flyer I’ve ever seen and has similar charisma to Rey Mysterio Jnr. Rhea Ripley is so over though right, wherever she goes she’s a main eventer. Bianca can transition to that and I actually think she will be a much better heel.

The multi-man ladder match is what it is, maybe Bron should move on to bigger things? and they give the belt to Dom? Bron did deserve the match with AJ Styles though.

I don’t really want to see AJ in a multi-man ladder match, so I will have to accept Logan Paul as his opponent. I’ve buried Logan quiet a bit but his character work is excellent, he’s a natural on TV and with a mic in hand. Am not a fan of his ring work but he should compliment AJ well, if anything, there will be less pressure on AJ because he will have the freedom to lead and I think he will respond quiet well with the reduced expectations & more challenging opponent to work with from the POV off having a decent match; it could define his Mania legacy, the guy who carried Logan Paul to a classic, styles make fights and at least AJ will be exposed to a bigger audience as all the Youtube re!ards will be watching this. My biggest criticism is that Logan is a part timer, and with that in mind, I don’t think it’s a good investment to give him a showcase match with AJ, Logan will be gone for many months and do something else before showing up for another big 4 PPV, how do you quantify your return on such an investment? Bron or Gable the match with AJ, Gable only worked with AJ once when he was new to the main roster and they had instant chemistry.

Oh and how can I not speak of my GOAT; CM Punk, killing it on house shows & on TV every week, he is never out of place in any segment and if anything, Roman & Seth have had to step up to match his aura because boy does Punk have presence in the ring. I don’t care if it’s Night 1, but to see Heyman announce he’s in the main event of Wrestlemania was a moment that hit me right in the feels, this is what Punk fans have been waiting for more than a decade, this was the last mountain for Punk to climb and I hope he gets there and cements his greatness; scenes in Las Vegas!

Agreed with Iyo. She is one of the best female wrestlers of all time. She is able to connect with the crowd through her in ring work without having much mic skills(understandable with English not being her primary language)

Yes AJ can carry Logan to a classic. I hope it's not a spotfest like Seth-Logan. Roman carried him to a near classic at Crown Jewel back in 2022.
I saw AJ's match in Japan that he had last year and it was such a clinic. He worked the Japanese style better than a lot of Japanese wrestlers. I think it was a perfect match. I doubt even someone like Bryan can even match that adaptability that AJ showed there. The more I watch AJ, the more astonished I become. The guy is just at another level. You can never get bored of his matches.

Regarding the triple threat, I am actually enjoying Roman the most in that feud closely followed by Punk. Seth is the distant third who simply looks like a loser in that feud already.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907782279444726129

 

[shaz619]

Agreed with Iyo. She is one of the best female wrestlers of all time. She is able to connect with the crowd through her in ring work without having much mic skills(understandable with English not being her primary language)

Yes AJ can carry Logan to a classic. I hope it's not a spotfest like Seth-Logan. Roman carried him to a near classic at Crown Jewel back in 2022.
I saw AJ's match in Japan that he had last year and it was such a clinic. He worked the Japanese style better than a lot of Japanese wrestlers. I think it was a perfect match. I doubt even someone like Bryan can even match that adaptability that AJ showed there. The more I watch AJ, the more astonished I become. The guy is just at another level. You can never get bored of his matches.

Regarding the triple threat, I am actually enjoying Roman the most in that feud closely followed by Punk. Seth is the distant third who simply looks like a loser in that feud already.

I will disagree on one bit and that’s Daniel Bryan, before he came to the WWE, he didn’t just have a reputation for being a special talent in the NA independent scene, but all over the world, including Japan. Bryan elevated his reputation in the east and his ‘American Dragon’ moniker originated from there really, he perfected his style in Japan during the early 2000’s and that’s where I first watched him before he was signed to ROH. Bryan can adapt to any audience or market, Japan & everywhere outside NA is his bread & butter, his toughest challenge was getting over in the WWE and adapting there, I would say the same for AJ Styles as well and both of them transitioned very well, it was always going to be tougher for Bryan due to his style and size, but he made it work. I’ve never seen Bryan in a bad match at the top of the card, this is a guy who made matches with The Fiend under the red lights entertaining to watch.