The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[BunnyRabbit]

Apparently it was a match with Rey back in Jan where the injury occured, people think it was the DDT spot but I think it was just before that when KO went for the pop up powerbomb; KO should have ducked a bit lower and/or Rey could have jumped a tad higher, but you can see the weight Rey put on KO’s neck in the image below, and he continued on after that which probably didn’t help matters, it was banger of a match though and I hope we are being worked.

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Looking back at the style that the Hardy Boyz worked and having seeing them wrestle for 25+ years now seems miraculous that they are still able to do it and haven't been made to retire. Pro Wrestling is dangerous.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Definitely Tony takes alot of the blame. But still its disappointing to see a talent of Okada's caliber just give up and be happy to wallow in mediocrity. Especially in a company like AEW where he has so much freedom to do his own thing.

Oba Femi looks like a beast. I would be shocked if someone manages to screw him up. Trick probably has more to learn in the ring, but he has the personality aspect down. He has the potential to be a mega babyface. But hey, it's H so you can never be sure. I have more hope for Femi than I do for Trick.

IMO Okada could have become a very successful guy in WWE considering his mic skills in English and comedic timing is much better than Nakamura's and there's no doubt he could have easily adapted to the NA style if he wanted to.

 

[Suleiman]

At least our boy Ch- I mean Grande Americano gets to go to Wrestlemania.

 

[Suleiman]

I’m sorry but I just can’t take Jey’s threatening promo seriously lmao. I honestly thought Gunther would start laughing mid promo and bury him.

 

[Suleiman]

I missed this post, get well soon bro, I hope it’s not anything too serious ? sounds like it could have manifested while working out as I know you like to lift. Will pray for a speedy recovery, and hope this is the beginning of your wrestling machine gimmick. Yes, Nick working is long over-due, he is everything you’d want in a main eventer, but am not sure H will treat him that way, as a GM he has been terrific though.

ill walk out to this on the titantron once im fully done with physical therapy .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Okay bro Big Show was pretty good for majority of his career both on mic and as a character and didn't really need to do too much in the ring. He defeated Lesnar at one for WWE championship and it didn't look out of place.

Disagree I thought that whole feud was poorly executed and Lesnar at that point was not ready to go solo on the mic. Big Show too was probably in the worst shape of his career physically and not doing great in the ring.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Trick Williams reminds me a great deal of Booker T, the personality, athleticism and ring-style, not sure if he came through Booker’s training school but he has the talent Booker had. Maybe H will see Trick as an opportunity to return to the ring and reminisce some of his good ol days. There are only so many guys and gals you can get over, but questions need to be asked if he botches both Oba & Femi. P.S did you manage to watch Oba vs Moose in the garden? best big man match you will see in years.

I finally saw it and I agree. It was a fantastic big man match. Last Oba Femi match I saw was the three-way with Josh Briggs and Dijak, and that was another fantastic big man match.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Disagree I thought that whole feud was poorly executed and Lesnar at that point was not ready to go solo on the mic. Big Show too was probably in the worst shape of his career physically and not doing great in the ring.

As adults, yes, but i saw it when i was young and it looked good. I do however agree that Brock shouldn't have gone solo around that time. But he had a nice face run. That was the best first year for a rookie in WWE I had seen at that point.
I still think Big Show is a pretty respectable wrestler. Definitely not as good as Kane but better than the likes of Nash and Sid.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As adults, yes, but i saw it when i was young and it looked good. I do however agree that Brock shouldn't have gone solo around that time. But he had a nice face run. That was the best first year for a rookie in WWE I had seen at that point.
I still think Big Show is a pretty respectable wrestler. Definitely not as good as Kane but better than the likes of Nash and Sid.

Big Show is definitely one of the best big men this business has ever seen. Considering his size his output was remarkable. However during that period (early to mid-2000s) he was really overweight and his work suffered as a result.

 

[shaz619]

Big Show is definitely one of the best big men this business has ever seen. Considering his size his output was remarkable. However during that period (early to mid-2000s) he was really overweight and his work suffered as a result.

Show for his size even then was shockingly agile and he was a good foil to other freaks of nature; namely Angle & Lesnar, those were some of the most memorable feuds from the RA era for me. Unfortunately, in later years they just never protected him enough. The RA era was the end for Show at the top level and during his prime years he should have been used much better as well.

 

[shaz619]

At least our boy Ch- I mean Grande Americano gets to go to Wrestlemania.

I like it & he will get anything over, but I saw this coming weeks ago, he will be unveiled at WM lol But I know he will sell that like he got stripped naked so it will be a great moment

 

[shaz619]

@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal Knowing Seth is H’s bum boy and his booking style, it seems pretty obvious he’s going over in the triple threat right ? What do you guys think, should that happen ?

For me, there is more upside in the near term with Punk. Does Seth really out-draw the other two, even with Heyman in his pocket ?

I think if I look at this purely in investment terms, what you put into Seth will take a couple of years to yield the same rewards as a Punk or Reigns in the next 6-12 months.

And Punk is an asset you want to maximise as much as you possibly can while you’re able to, so there is more £££ to risk losing. Seth isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Suleiman]

@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal Knowing Seth is H’s bum boy and his booking style, it seems pretty obvious he’s going over in the triple threat right ? What do you guys think, should that happen ?

For me, there is more upside in the near term with Punk. Does Seth really out-draw the other two, even with Heyman in his pocket ?

I think if I look at this purely in investment terms, what you put into Seth will take a couple of years to yield the same rewards as a Punk or Reigns in the next 6-12 months.

And Punk is an asset you want to maximise as much as you possibly can while you’re able to, so there is more £££ to risk losing. Seth isn’t going anywhere.

I’d have Roman or Punk going over. Roman still needs to be booked strongly. So much investment into him over the years, he needs a W. Beating someone like Solo doesn’t do much for him, but beating Punk and Seth does.

Punk has been booked strongly so far, so it won’t hurt him. Punk winning is fine too.

But losing to Seth will hurt both because Seth is not at the same level as either one.

 

[Suleiman]

@shaz619 honestly it should’ve been Drew who should’ve been built up to this triple threat with Punk and Roman. That would’ve been an epic match.

 

[shaz619]

@shaz619 honestly it should’ve been Drew who should’ve been built up to this triple threat with Punk and Roman. That would’ve been an epic match.

Good shout. After the feud he had with Punk, he deserved it, and more importantly, he deserves the spot way more than Seth; the company keep pumping into Seth and the returns are there to see, Drew has never been invested in half as much. In-fact, Drew needs the match more than Seth.

 

[Suleiman]

Good shout. After the feud he had with Punk, he deserved it, and more importantly, he deserves the spot way more than Seth; the company keep pumping into Seth and the returns are there to see, Drew has never been invested in half as much. In-fact, Drew needs the match more than Seth.

This is the thing when you have someone like H at the helm. His entire wrestling career was groupings and favorites and putting down people he didn’t get along with.

Now he brings the same habit as chairman and tries to force his personal projects down the throats of the audience and ignores certain talent just cause of age or whatever. Or if they didn’t get over because of him.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal Knowing Seth is H’s bum boy and his booking style, it seems pretty obvious he’s going over in the triple threat right ? What do you guys think, should that happen ?

For me, there is more upside in the near term with Punk. Does Seth really out-draw the other two, even with Heyman in his pocket ?

I think if I look at this purely in investment terms, what you put into Seth will take a couple of years to yield the same rewards as a Punk or Reigns in the next 6-12 months.

And Punk is an asset you want to maximise as much as you possibly can while you’re able to, so there is more £££ to risk losing. Seth isn’t going anywhere.

I hope it's Punk but I think it might be Seth so they can set up Punk v Roman for later on.

The only reason why I think it could be Punk would them wanting to send the crowd home happy. Because the heel is going over in Night 2. And they might do some kind of angle involving The Rock after Cody loses the belt too.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Show for his size even then was shockingly agile and he was a good foil to other freaks of nature; namely Angle & Lesnar, those were some of the most memorable feuds from the RA era for me. Unfortunately, in later years they just never protected him enough. The RA era was the end for Show at the top level and during his prime years he should have been used much better as well.

For me, the Big Show that came in to the WWE at St. Valentine Day's Massacre was so impressive. You could tell that he was motivated to make an impact after the years of bad booking in WCW. So remarkably athletic for his size and his weight was in control too. 2004-06 I feel like he started slagging and his weight just got out of control. Even though he was booked strong during this period I was not impressed by his work at all. His booking went up and down throughout his career but if you look at him in 2008, you could see that he made a marked improvement.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.

 

[Suleiman]

Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.

100% agree.

If Cena could not dedicate time to the feud he should’ve just quietly retired. I know in an interview years ago with CVV he said as a heel he would show up less… but there’s a limit to kayfabe. This is just killing the feud. Didn’t show up at the raw after the PLE either iirc. Then now another week off.

I don’t mind rock being hidden away but the build up to this feud is ridiculous.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

100% agree.

If Cena could not dedicate time to the feud he should’ve just quietly retired. I know in an interview years ago with CVV he said as a heel he would show up less… but there’s a limit to kayfabe. This is just killing the feud. Didn’t show up at the raw after the PLE either iirc. Then now another week off.

I don’t mind rock being hidden away but the build up to this feud is ridiculous.

Him not being on the go-home for WrestleMania is just nuts. This feud needed more heat. The verbal back and forth is nice and good but this is the main-event of WrestleMania that will be closing the show. Feel like they should have made more of an effort here. I blame Triple H and the people planning this stuff out more than Cena. If he was doing limited dates you didn't need him to repeat the exact same promo a couple of weeks back and you should have saved an appearance for the go-home show. And if its Cena who is to blame because he is shooting some movie in Hungary or whatever than he shouldn't have announced this retirement tour well in-advance

Hope there is atleast a VTR of him cutting a promo on Cody on the go-home. Because I'm not sure how many people are looking forward to another one Cody's soliloquies.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I like it & he will get anything over, but I saw this coming weeks ago, he will be unveiled at WM lol But I know he will sell that like he got stripped naked so it will be a great moment

At least our boy Ch- I mean Grande Americano gets to go to Wrestlemania.

The real pay-off to this feud would be a mask vs. mask match.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I’m sorry but I just can’t take Jey’s threatening promo seriously lmao. I honestly thought Gunther would start laughing mid promo and bury him.

Say what you will about Vince, but if he was still running the show Jey Uso would not be winning at WrestleMania. Vince made alot of bad booking decisions and ruined alot of careers, but he also had the guts to pull the plug on something that wasn't working.

With Jey Uso I feel like they are trying to manifest a main-eventer, eventhough there clearly isn't one there.

 

[shaz619]

@shaz619 honestly it should’ve been Drew who should’ve been built up to this triple threat with Punk and Roman. That would’ve been an epic match.

Is this Drew now:

 

[shaz619]

The real pay-off to this feud would be a mask vs. mask match.

Surely that’s where they are headed, it’s fitting, seeing the match will take place in the gulf of america

 

[shaz619]

Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.

Maybe this is why Cody can’t be too physical either due to the busted eardrum. As for Cena’s appearances, this is the dumbest thing I’ve heard, how can you not have him on the go home show, who’s booking this sh!t, H? oh wait…..

Even with the death of PPV, this is lazy even by the standards of the PLE era. This is one criticism I will accept from older fans, like there is no real drama being continuously escalated each week with absolute mayhem on the go home show, do you recall all those RAW’s during the RA era which HBK would close out? that was peak of my fandom when he had the audience going bonkers after a big angle just before a major show.

 

[shaz619]

For me, the Big Show that came in to the WWE at St. Valentine Day's Massacre was so impressive. You could tell that he was motivated to make an impact after the years of bad booking in WCW. So remarkably athletic for his size and his weight was in control too. 2004-06 I feel like he started slagging and his weight just got out of control. Even though he was booked strong during this period I was not impressed by his work at all. His booking went up and down throughout his career but if you look at him in 2008, you could see that he made a marked improvement.

I agree with every point, I will just say I didn’t mind Big Show in the early 2000’s too much because for once he was booked strong and despite all that weight, he worked to his size (was forced to) and that was a good template for Lesnar & Angle, and I wont ever forget the ring falling apart on SD or Angle shooting Show with a tranquilliser; I know it’s silly but that sh!t lives rent free in my head, much like El Grande Americano. Show was too nice and paid the price, he should have backed himself more backstage, after all the effort he put into a possible Boxing debut, he shed so much weight and was in the best shape of his life, besides the Floyd match, was nice to se him get his moment at WM to win the IC title, that was clearly a big deal for him

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Show for his size even then was shockingly agile and he was a good foil to other freaks of nature; namely Angle & Lesnar, those were some of the most memorable feuds from the RA era for me. Unfortunately, in later years they just never protected him enough. The RA era was the end for Show at the top level and during his prime years he should have been used much better as well.

The last time he was portrayed as unstoppable was in ECW when he beat RVD for the title.
His last great feud was against Braun. What a series of awesome big man matches it was. They deserved to be on PPVs. When you compare it to how Jacob and Braun feud has been booked, you'd realize how good it was.
Show is mostly poked fun at in this twitter age but he is incredibly underrated.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I agree with every point, I will just say I didn’t mind Big Show in the early 2000’s too much because for once he was booked strong and despite all that weight, he worked to his size (was forced to) and that was a good template for Lesnar & Angle, and I wont ever forget the ring falling apart on SD or Angle shooting Show with a tranquilliser; I know it’s silly but that sh!t lives rent free in my head, much like El Grande Americano. Show was too nice and paid the price, he should have backed himself more backstage, after all the effort he put into a possible Boxing debut, he shed so much weight and was in the best shape of his life, besides the Floyd match, was nice to se him get his moment at WM to win the IC title, that was clearly a big deal for him

I completely forgot Show was IC Champion too. This guy has done it all. Even carried the fabled ECW World Championship.

I think Show's real talent becomes evident when you see guys like Omos and Strowman, and how awful they are. You realize how special Show was.

 

[sweep_shot]

I completely forgot Show was IC Champion too. This guy has done it all. Even carried the fabled ECW World Championship.

I think Show's real talent becomes evident when you see guys like Omos and Strowman, and how awful they are. You realize how special Show was.

ECW world title was a big joke. LOL.

I don't think it should be counted as a world title.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.

There was no point of Travis Scott being there.
But The Rock being there actually added to that angle. He was only interacting with Cody at that point. It was meant to divert our attention from Cena turning heel. If Cena had just hugged Cody there and kicked him in the balls, it wouldn't have been as good as it was. The crowd thought Cody saying f u you The Rock would get both physical but instead Cena turned on him. I don't think you can blame Dwayne there. That angle was just perfect (apart from Travis Scott).

 

[BunnyRabbit]

ECW world title was a big joke. LOL.

I don't think it should be counted as a world title.

It was, but when it started, we didn't know it was being treated as a joke.
Show also had a great match against Show when Khali interfered.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I hope it's Punk but I think it might be Seth so they can set up Punk v Roman for later on.

The only reason why I think it could be Punk would them wanting to send the crowd home happy. Because the heel is going over in Night 2. And they might do some kind of angle involving The Rock after Cody loses the belt too.

I think a loss wouldn't hurt or elevate either Punk or Roman here cause it's a triple threat. Plus both are at a stage where an occasional loss wouldn't hurt either. But it's just that Seth just sticks out as a cold sore in that feud.

 

[sweep_shot]

It was, but when it started, we didn't know it was being treated as a joke.
Show also had a great match against Show when Khali interfered.

Yeah. I remember that ECW was alright during the first few months.

It eventually turned into a joke brand; probably on par with Heat or Velocity.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Good shout. After the feud he had with Punk, he deserved it, and more importantly, he deserves the spot way more than Seth; the company keep pumping into Seth and the returns are there to see, Drew has never been invested in half as much. In-fact, Drew needs the match more than Seth.

Think Trips is just mad at Drew for Drew going to Dwayne for leveraging a contract instead of begging Trips. There's no way you can justify Drew being booked for an insignificant heatless match against Priest for Mania.
No offense to either and they might give us a show stealer match (both Drew and Priest are pretty good wrestlers) but the feud has been dud.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think a loss wouldn't hurt or elevate either Punk or Roman here cause it's a triple threat. Plus both are at a stage where an occasional loss wouldn't hurt either. But it's just that Seth just sticks out as a cold sore in that feud.

Yeah but the question is does anyone care about Seth? Besides singing his stupid song? He feels shoe-horned here as it is. Roman has won far too many times in the main-event. He will set the record for the most WrestleMania main-events by any wrestler. Punk has never even been in a Mania main-event, let alone win one, and is easily the most popular and beloved wrestler of the three. I think he should win unless they have a bigger, more diabolical storyline in mind.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Yeah but the question is does anyone care about Seth? Besides singing his stupid song? He feels shoe-horned here as it is. Roman has won far too many times in the main-event. He will set the record for the most WrestleMania main-events by any wrestler. Punk has never even been in a Mania main-event, let alone win one, and is easily the most popular and beloved wrestler of the three. I think he should win unless they have a bigger, more diabolical storyline in mind.

Which is why Seth shouldn't have been in this feud IMO because he doesn't belong in the league of the other two.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

ECW world title was a big joke. LOL.

I don't think it should be counted as a world title.

I don't think it is. My comment was ofcourse sarcastic.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't think it is. My comment was ofcourse sarcastic.

I saw on Wikipedia it officially counted as a world title.

The title was deactivated in 2001 when ECW went out of business. The assets of ECW were then purchased by WWE two years later during the summer of 2003. In 2006, WWE reactivated the championship as the world title of their newly established ECW brand. It was the third concurrently active world championship in the promotion, complementing the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship of the other two brands, Raw and SmackDown. The ECW Championship briefly appeared as the sole world title of the Raw brand in 2008 as a result of that year's draft. When WWE disbanded the ECW brand in 2010, the championship was subsequently retired following the final episode of ECW with Ezekiel Jackson as the final titleholder, who consequently had the shortest reign at 2 minutes, 25 seconds as he won it during the episode.

ECW World Heavyweight Championship - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There was no point of Travis Scott being there.
But The Rock being there actually added to that angle. He was only interacting with Cody at that point. It was meant to divert our attention from Cena turning heel. If Cena had just hugged Cody there and kicked him in the balls, it wouldn't have been as good as it was. The crowd thought Cody saying f u you The Rock would get both physical but instead Cena turned on him. I don't think you can blame Dwayne there. That angle was just perfect (apart from Travis Scott).

I'm sure there were a number of other ways to execute it just as well without The Rock being there. He would have added something if he had showed up to literally even one show since then. How is he this seemingly devious evil mastermind despite the fact that he never shows up? How exactly is Cody being affected by The Rock? Whenever they have done this storyline in the past; whether it was with Vince in the 90s or with Triple H and The Authority in the 2010s, you always felt like the odds were stacked against the babyface and he was constantly having to fight the evil boss and his cronies. The Rock hasn't even been mentioned since besides in recap video pachages. How and why are we supposed to take him seriously as a threat? Because he taps his roided up forearms?

Atleast last year you had The Rock showing up to most of the RAWs in the build-up to Mania. Not only that but the angles were great too. The angle where he beat the tar out of Cody in the rain is an all-timer. All he has done this year is try to get some spotlight on himself and stay relevant. Probably because he knows that if he steps in the ring for an actual match against Cpdy or Roman, he will tear one of his tendons off the bone.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I saw on Wikipedia it officially counted as a world title.

The title was deactivated in 2001 when ECW went out of business. The assets of ECW were then purchased by WWE two years later during the summer of 2003. In 2006, WWE reactivated the championship as the world title of their newly established ECW brand. It was the third concurrently active world championship in the promotion, complementing the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship of the other two brands, Raw and SmackDown. The ECW Championship briefly appeared as the sole world title of the Raw brand in 2008 as a result of that year's draft. When WWE disbanded the ECW brand in 2010, the championship was subsequently retired following the final episode of ECW with Ezekiel Jackson as the final titleholder, who consequently had the shortest reign at 2 minutes, 25 seconds as he won it during the episode.

ECW World Heavyweight Championship - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bro, its Wikipedia.

I have never seen them acknowledge any former ECW World Champion as a world champion on their TV.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bro, its Wikipedia.

I have never seen them acknowledge any former ECW World Champion as a world champion on their TV.

After Undertaker won the Royal Rumble, Undertaker had the option to face SmackDown champion Batista, ECW champion Bobby Lashley, or RAW champion John Cena.

In this video, Vince McMahon described ECW title as a world title.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

This year Mania build up hasn't been as good as it was for last year. The only two matches they have visibly put effort in this year has been the two mainevents. Apart from that, it has been meh.

 

[Suleiman]

Speaking of ECW, Sabu interviews been popping up on my recommended.

Good to see him still in good health considering the absolutely insane spots this man took part in and what he put his body through.

Someone asked Paul Heyman recently who is the wrestler who should’ve been way more than what they ended up as, and he said Sabu. that he should’ve retired very very rich and a top tier legend for pioneering the high flying high risk style.

I remember on SvR 2008 he was the main legend I wanted to unlock because of his epic theme and because I thought he was Pakistani lol.

 

[Suleiman]

I’ll even say Sabu deserves a HoF spot far more than Hunter. It’s cringe seeing his vids being featured everyday now on WWE because he’s getting a HoF induction… because he’s the chairman lol.