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shaz619 said:
Apparently it was a match with Rey back in Jan where the injury occured, people think it was the DDT spot but I think it was just before that when KO went for the pop up powerbomb; KO should have ducked a bit lower and/or Rey could have jumped a tad higher, but you can see the weight Rey put on KO’s neck in the image below, and he continued on after that which probably didn’t help matters, it was banger of a match though and I hope we are being worked.

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Looking back at the style that the Hardy Boyz worked and having seeing them wrestle for 25+ years now seems miraculous that they are still able to do it and haven't been made to retire. Pro Wrestling is dangerous.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Definitely Tony takes alot of the blame. But still its disappointing to see a talent of Okada's caliber just give up and be happy to wallow in mediocrity. Especially in a company like AEW where he has so much freedom to do his own thing.

Oba Femi looks like a beast. I would be shocked if someone manages to screw him up. Trick probably has more to learn in the ring, but he has the personality aspect down. He has the potential to be a mega babyface. But hey, it's H so you can never be sure. I have more hope for Femi than I do for Trick.
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IMO Okada could have become a very successful guy in WWE considering his mic skills in English and comedic timing is much better than Nakamura's and there's no doubt he could have easily adapted to the NA style if he wanted to.
 
I’m sorry but I just can’t take Jey’s threatening promo seriously lmao. I honestly thought Gunther would start laughing mid promo and bury him.
 
shaz619 said:
I missed this post, get well soon bro, I hope it’s not anything too serious ? sounds like it could have manifested while working out as I know you like to lift. Will pray for a speedy recovery, and hope this is the beginning of your wrestling machine gimmick. Yes, Nick working is long over-due, he is everything you’d want in a main eventer, but am not sure H will treat him that way, as a GM he has been terrific though.
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ill walk out to this on the titantron once im fully done with physical therapy :afridi.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Okay bro Big Show was pretty good for majority of his career both on mic and as a character and didn't really need to do too much in the ring. He defeated Lesnar at one for WWE championship and it didn't look out of place.
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Disagree I thought that whole feud was poorly executed and Lesnar at that point was not ready to go solo on the mic. Big Show too was probably in the worst shape of his career physically and not doing great in the ring.
 
shaz619 said:
Trick Williams reminds me a great deal of Booker T, the personality, athleticism and ring-style, not sure if he came through Booker’s training school but he has the talent Booker had. Maybe H will see Trick as an opportunity to return to the ring and reminisce some of his good ol days. There are only so many guys and gals you can get over, but questions need to be asked if he botches both Oba & Femi. P.S did you manage to watch Oba vs Moose in the garden? best big man match you will see in years.
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I finally saw it and I agree. It was a fantastic big man match. Last Oba Femi match I saw was the three-way with Josh Briggs and Dijak, and that was another fantastic big man match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Disagree I thought that whole feud was poorly executed and Lesnar at that point was not ready to go solo on the mic. Big Show too was probably in the worst shape of his career physically and not doing great in the ring.
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As adults, yes, but i saw it when i was young and it looked good. I do however agree that Brock shouldn't have gone solo around that time. But he had a nice face run. That was the best first year for a rookie in WWE I had seen at that point.
I still think Big Show is a pretty respectable wrestler. Definitely not as good as Kane but better than the likes of Nash and Sid.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
As adults, yes, but i saw it when i was young and it looked good. I do however agree that Brock shouldn't have gone solo around that time. But he had a nice face run. That was the best first year for a rookie in WWE I had seen at that point.
I still think Big Show is a pretty respectable wrestler. Definitely not as good as Kane but better than the likes of Nash and Sid.
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Big Show is definitely one of the best big men this business has ever seen. Considering his size his output was remarkable. However during that period (early to mid-2000s) he was really overweight and his work suffered as a result.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Big Show is definitely one of the best big men this business has ever seen. Considering his size his output was remarkable. However during that period (early to mid-2000s) he was really overweight and his work suffered as a result.
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Show for his size even then was shockingly agile and he was a good foil to other freaks of nature; namely Angle & Lesnar, those were some of the most memorable feuds from the RA era for me. Unfortunately, in later years they just never protected him enough. The RA era was the end for Show at the top level and during his prime years he should have been used much better as well.
 
@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal Knowing Seth is H’s bum boy and his booking style, it seems pretty obvious he’s going over in the triple threat right ? What do you guys think, should that happen ?

For me, there is more upside in the near term with Punk. Does Seth really out-draw the other two, even with Heyman in his pocket ?

I think if I look at this purely in investment terms, what you put into Seth will take a couple of years to yield the same rewards as a Punk or Reigns in the next 6-12 months.

And Punk is an asset you want to maximise as much as you possibly can while you’re able to, so there is more £££ to risk losing. Seth isn’t going anywhere.
 
shaz619 said:
@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal Knowing Seth is H’s bum boy and his booking style, it seems pretty obvious he’s going over in the triple threat right ? What do you guys think, should that happen ?

For me, there is more upside in the near term with Punk. Does Seth really out-draw the other two, even with Heyman in his pocket ?

I think if I look at this purely in investment terms, what you put into Seth will take a couple of years to yield the same rewards as a Punk or Reigns in the next 6-12 months.

And Punk is an asset you want to maximise as much as you possibly can while you’re able to, so there is more £££ to risk losing. Seth isn’t going anywhere.
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I’d have Roman or Punk going over. Roman still needs to be booked strongly. So much investment into him over the years, he needs a W. Beating someone like Solo doesn’t do much for him, but beating Punk and Seth does.

Punk has been booked strongly so far, so it won’t hurt him. Punk winning is fine too.

But losing to Seth will hurt both because Seth is not at the same level as either one.
 
Suleiman said:
@shaz619 honestly it should’ve been Drew who should’ve been built up to this triple threat with Punk and Roman. That would’ve been an epic match.
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Good shout. After the feud he had with Punk, he deserved it, and more importantly, he deserves the spot way more than Seth; the company keep pumping into Seth and the returns are there to see, Drew has never been invested in half as much. In-fact, Drew needs the match more than Seth.
 
shaz619 said:
Good shout. After the feud he had with Punk, he deserved it, and more importantly, he deserves the spot way more than Seth; the company keep pumping into Seth and the returns are there to see, Drew has never been invested in half as much. In-fact, Drew needs the match more than Seth.
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This is the thing when you have someone like H at the helm. His entire wrestling career was groupings and favorites and putting down people he didn’t get along with.

Now he brings the same habit as chairman and tries to force his personal projects down the throats of the audience and ignores certain talent just cause of age or whatever. Or if they didn’t get over because of him.
 
shaz619 said:
@Suleiman @RedwoodOriginal Knowing Seth is H’s bum boy and his booking style, it seems pretty obvious he’s going over in the triple threat right ? What do you guys think, should that happen ?

For me, there is more upside in the near term with Punk. Does Seth really out-draw the other two, even with Heyman in his pocket ?

I think if I look at this purely in investment terms, what you put into Seth will take a couple of years to yield the same rewards as a Punk or Reigns in the next 6-12 months.

And Punk is an asset you want to maximise as much as you possibly can while you’re able to, so there is more £££ to risk losing. Seth isn’t going anywhere.
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I hope it's Punk but I think it might be Seth so they can set up Punk v Roman for later on.

The only reason why I think it could be Punk would them wanting to send the crowd home happy. Because the heel is going over in Night 2. And they might do some kind of angle involving The Rock after Cody loses the belt too.
 
shaz619 said:
Show for his size even then was shockingly agile and he was a good foil to other freaks of nature; namely Angle & Lesnar, those were some of the most memorable feuds from the RA era for me. Unfortunately, in later years they just never protected him enough. The RA era was the end for Show at the top level and during his prime years he should have been used much better as well.
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For me, the Big Show that came in to the WWE at St. Valentine Day's Massacre was so impressive. You could tell that he was motivated to make an impact after the years of bad booking in WCW. So remarkably athletic for his size and his weight was in control too. 2004-06 I feel like he started slagging and his weight just got out of control. Even though he was booked strong during this period I was not impressed by his work at all. His booking went up and down throughout his career but if you look at him in 2008, you could see that he made a marked improvement.
 
Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.
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100% agree.

If Cena could not dedicate time to the feud he should’ve just quietly retired. I know in an interview years ago with CVV he said as a heel he would show up less… but there’s a limit to kayfabe. This is just killing the feud. Didn’t show up at the raw after the PLE either iirc. Then now another week off.

I don’t mind rock being hidden away but the build up to this feud is ridiculous.
 
Suleiman said:
100% agree.

If Cena could not dedicate time to the feud he should’ve just quietly retired. I know in an interview years ago with CVV he said as a heel he would show up less… but there’s a limit to kayfabe. This is just killing the feud. Didn’t show up at the raw after the PLE either iirc. Then now another week off.

I don’t mind rock being hidden away but the build up to this feud is ridiculous.
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Him not being on the go-home for WrestleMania is just nuts. This feud needed more heat. The verbal back and forth is nice and good but this is the main-event of WrestleMania that will be closing the show. Feel like they should have made more of an effort here. I blame Triple H and the people planning this stuff out more than Cena. If he was doing limited dates you didn't need him to repeat the exact same promo a couple of weeks back and you should have saved an appearance for the go-home show. And if its Cena who is to blame because he is shooting some movie in Hungary or whatever than he shouldn't have announced this retirement tour well in-advance

Hope there is atleast a VTR of him cutting a promo on Cody on the go-home. Because I'm not sure how many people are looking forward to another one Cody's soliloquies.
 
shaz619 said:
I like it & he will get anything over, but I saw this coming weeks ago, he will be unveiled at WM lol But I know he will sell that like he got stripped naked so it will be a great moment 🤣
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Suleiman said:
At least our boy Ch- I mean Grande Americano gets to go to Wrestlemania. 🤷‍♂️
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The real pay-off to this feud would be a mask vs. mask match. :misbah
 
Suleiman said:
I’m sorry but I just can’t take Jey’s threatening promo seriously lmao. I honestly thought Gunther would start laughing mid promo and bury him.
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Say what you will about Vince, but if he was still running the show Jey Uso would not be winning at WrestleMania. Vince made alot of bad booking decisions and ruined alot of careers, but he also had the guts to pull the plug on something that wasn't working.

With Jey Uso I feel like they are trying to manifest a main-eventer, eventhough there clearly isn't one there.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.
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Maybe this is why Cody can’t be too physical either due to the busted eardrum. As for Cena’s appearances, this is the dumbest thing I’ve heard, how can you not have him on the go home show, who’s booking this sh!t, H? oh wait…..

Even with the death of PPV, this is lazy even by the standards of the PLE era. This is one criticism I will accept from older fans, like there is no real drama being continuously escalated each week with absolute mayhem on the go home show, do you recall all those RAW’s during the RA era which HBK would close out? that was peak of my fandom when he had the audience going bonkers after a big angle just before a major show.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
For me, the Big Show that came in to the WWE at St. Valentine Day's Massacre was so impressive. You could tell that he was motivated to make an impact after the years of bad booking in WCW. So remarkably athletic for his size and his weight was in control too. 2004-06 I feel like he started slagging and his weight just got out of control. Even though he was booked strong during this period I was not impressed by his work at all. His booking went up and down throughout his career but if you look at him in 2008, you could see that he made a marked improvement.
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I agree with every point, I will just say I didn’t mind Big Show in the early 2000’s too much because for once he was booked strong and despite all that weight, he worked to his size (was forced to) and that was a good template for Lesnar & Angle, and I wont ever forget the ring falling apart on SD or Angle shooting Show with a tranquilliser; I know it’s silly but that sh!t lives rent free in my head, much like El Grande Americano. Show was too nice and paid the price, he should have backed himself more backstage, after all the effort he put into a possible Boxing debut, he shed so much weight and was in the best shape of his life, besides the Floyd match, was nice to se him get his moment at WM to win the IC title, that was clearly a big deal for him
 
shaz619 said:
Show for his size even then was shockingly agile and he was a good foil to other freaks of nature; namely Angle & Lesnar, those were some of the most memorable feuds from the RA era for me. Unfortunately, in later years they just never protected him enough. The RA era was the end for Show at the top level and during his prime years he should have been used much better as well.
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The last time he was portrayed as unstoppable was in ECW when he beat RVD for the title.
His last great feud was against Braun. What a series of awesome big man matches it was. They deserved to be on PPVs. When you compare it to how Jacob and Braun feud has been booked, you'd realize how good it was.
Show is mostly poked fun at in this twitter age but he is incredibly underrated.
 
shaz619 said:
I agree with every point, I will just say I didn’t mind Big Show in the early 2000’s too much because for once he was booked strong and despite all that weight, he worked to his size (was forced to) and that was a good template for Lesnar & Angle, and I wont ever forget the ring falling apart on SD or Angle shooting Show with a tranquilliser; I know it’s silly but that sh!t lives rent free in my head, much like El Grande Americano. Show was too nice and paid the price, he should have backed himself more backstage, after all the effort he put into a possible Boxing debut, he shed so much weight and was in the best shape of his life, besides the Floyd match, was nice to se him get his moment at WM to win the IC title, that was clearly a big deal for him
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I completely forgot Show was IC Champion too. This guy has done it all. Even carried the fabled ECW World Championship.:sarf2

I think Show's real talent becomes evident when you see guys like Omos and Strowman, and how awful they are. You realize how special Show was.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I completely forgot Show was IC Champion too. This guy has done it all. Even carried the fabled ECW World Championship.:sarf2

I think Show's real talent becomes evident when you see guys like Omos and Strowman, and how awful they are. You realize how special Show was.
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ECW world title was a big joke. LOL.

I don't think it should be counted as a world title.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Personally I'm not satisfied with the build for Cody v Cena. I don't feel like they have done enough of a job of making us believe in this issue after that impressive angle at Elimination Chamber. Cena was not on this week's RAW and he won't be on the go-home RAW either. I get that Cena has limited dates but this should have been planned a bit better.

Btw can anyone explain to me what the point of Rock and Travis Scott showing up at Elimination Chamber was? Besides The Rock being an attention whore of course and trying to cash in on the angle and get attention on himself and Scott bursting Cody's eardrum? They haven't been mentioned once since then and probably won't be showing up next week either.
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There was no point of Travis Scott being there.
But The Rock being there actually added to that angle. He was only interacting with Cody at that point. It was meant to divert our attention from Cena turning heel. If Cena had just hugged Cody there and kicked him in the balls, it wouldn't have been as good as it was. The crowd thought Cody saying f u you The Rock would get both physical but instead Cena turned on him. I don't think you can blame Dwayne there. That angle was just perfect (apart from Travis Scott).
 
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ECW world title was a big joke. LOL.

I don't think it should be counted as a world title.
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It was, but when it started, we didn't know it was being treated as a joke.
Show also had a great match against Show when Khali interfered.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I hope it's Punk but I think it might be Seth so they can set up Punk v Roman for later on.

The only reason why I think it could be Punk would them wanting to send the crowd home happy. Because the heel is going over in Night 2. And they might do some kind of angle involving The Rock after Cody loses the belt too.
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I think a loss wouldn't hurt or elevate either Punk or Roman here cause it's a triple threat. Plus both are at a stage where an occasional loss wouldn't hurt either. But it's just that Seth just sticks out as a cold sore in that feud.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
It was, but when it started, we didn't know it was being treated as a joke.
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Yeah. I remember that ECW was alright during the first few months.

It eventually turned into a joke brand; probably on par with Heat or Velocity.
 
shaz619 said:
Good shout. After the feud he had with Punk, he deserved it, and more importantly, he deserves the spot way more than Seth; the company keep pumping into Seth and the returns are there to see, Drew has never been invested in half as much. In-fact, Drew needs the match more than Seth.
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Think Trips is just mad at Drew for Drew going to Dwayne for leveraging a contract instead of begging Trips. There's no way you can justify Drew being booked for an insignificant heatless match against Priest for Mania.
No offense to either and they might give us a show stealer match (both Drew and Priest are pretty good wrestlers) but the feud has been dud.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I think a loss wouldn't hurt or elevate either Punk or Roman here cause it's a triple threat. Plus both are at a stage where an occasional loss wouldn't hurt either. But it's just that Seth just sticks out as a cold sore in that feud.
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Yeah but the question is does anyone care about Seth? Besides singing his stupid song? He feels shoe-horned here as it is. Roman has won far too many times in the main-event. He will set the record for the most WrestleMania main-events by any wrestler. Punk has never even been in a Mania main-event, let alone win one, and is easily the most popular and beloved wrestler of the three. I think he should win unless they have a bigger, more diabolical storyline in mind.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah but the question is does anyone care about Seth? Besides singing his stupid song? He feels shoe-horned here as it is. Roman has won far too many times in the main-event. He will set the record for the most WrestleMania main-events by any wrestler. Punk has never even been in a Mania main-event, let alone win one, and is easily the most popular and beloved wrestler of the three. I think he should win unless they have a bigger, more diabolical storyline in mind.
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Which is why Seth shouldn't have been in this feud IMO because he doesn't belong in the league of the other two.
 
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I don't think it is. My comment was ofcourse sarcastic.
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I saw on Wikipedia it officially counted as a world title.

The title was deactivated in 2001 when ECW went out of business. The assets of ECW were then purchased by WWE two years later during the summer of 2003. In 2006, WWE reactivated the championship as the world title of their newly established ECW brand. It was the third concurrently active world championship in the promotion, complementing the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship of the other two brands, Raw and SmackDown. The ECW Championship briefly appeared as the sole world title of the Raw brand in 2008 as a result of that year's draft. When WWE disbanded the ECW brand in 2010, the championship was subsequently retired following the final episode of ECW with Ezekiel Jackson as the final titleholder, who consequently had the shortest reign at 2 minutes, 25 seconds as he won it during the episode.

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BunnyRabbit said:
There was no point of Travis Scott being there.
But The Rock being there actually added to that angle. He was only interacting with Cody at that point. It was meant to divert our attention from Cena turning heel. If Cena had just hugged Cody there and kicked him in the balls, it wouldn't have been as good as it was. The crowd thought Cody saying f u you The Rock would get both physical but instead Cena turned on him. I don't think you can blame Dwayne there. That angle was just perfect (apart from Travis Scott).
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I'm sure there were a number of other ways to execute it just as well without The Rock being there. He would have added something if he had showed up to literally even one show since then. How is he this seemingly devious evil mastermind despite the fact that he never shows up? How exactly is Cody being affected by The Rock? Whenever they have done this storyline in the past; whether it was with Vince in the 90s or with Triple H and The Authority in the 2010s, you always felt like the odds were stacked against the babyface and he was constantly having to fight the evil boss and his cronies. The Rock hasn't even been mentioned since besides in recap video pachages. How and why are we supposed to take him seriously as a threat? Because he taps his roided up forearms?

Atleast last year you had The Rock showing up to most of the RAWs in the build-up to Mania. Not only that but the angles were great too. The angle where he beat the tar out of Cody in the rain is an all-timer. All he has done this year is try to get some spotlight on himself and stay relevant. Probably because he knows that if he steps in the ring for an actual match against Cpdy or Roman, he will tear one of his tendons off the bone.
 
sweep_shot said:
I saw on Wikipedia it officially counted as a world title.

The title was deactivated in 2001 when ECW went out of business. The assets of ECW were then purchased by WWE two years later during the summer of 2003. In 2006, WWE reactivated the championship as the world title of their newly established ECW brand. It was the third concurrently active world championship in the promotion, complementing the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship of the other two brands, Raw and SmackDown. The ECW Championship briefly appeared as the sole world title of the Raw brand in 2008 as a result of that year's draft. When WWE disbanded the ECW brand in 2010, the championship was subsequently retired following the final episode of ECW with Ezekiel Jackson as the final titleholder, who consequently had the shortest reign at 2 minutes, 25 seconds as he won it during the episode.

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Bro, its Wikipedia.

I have never seen them acknowledge any former ECW World Champion as a world champion on their TV.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bro, its Wikipedia.

I have never seen them acknowledge any former ECW World Champion as a world champion on their TV.
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After Undertaker won the Royal Rumble, Undertaker had the option to face SmackDown champion Batista, ECW champion Bobby Lashley, or RAW champion John Cena.



In this video, Vince McMahon described ECW title as a world title.
 
This year Mania build up hasn't been as good as it was for last year. The only two matches they have visibly put effort in this year has been the two mainevents. Apart from that, it has been meh.
 
Speaking of ECW, Sabu interviews been popping up on my recommended.

Good to see him still in good health considering the absolutely insane spots this man took part in and what he put his body through.

Someone asked Paul Heyman recently who is the wrestler who should’ve been way more than what they ended up as, and he said Sabu. that he should’ve retired very very rich and a top tier legend for pioneering the high flying high risk style.

I remember on SvR 2008 he was the main legend I wanted to unlock because of his epic theme and because I thought he was Pakistani lol.
 
I’ll even say Sabu deserves a HoF spot far more than Hunter. It’s cringe seeing his vids being featured everyday now on WWE because he’s getting a HoF induction… because he’s the chairman lol.
 
sweep_shot said:
After Undertaker won the Royal Rumble, Undertaker had the option to face SmackDown champion Batista, ECW champion Bobby Lashley, or RAW champion John Cena.



In this video, Vince McMahon described ECW title as a world title.
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I know but they have never acknowledge guys like Ezekiel Jackson or even Christian as world champions for their ECW title reigns. Christian is recognized as world champion for his WHC reign but not his ECW reign. I think they meant to treat this belt somewhat seriously initially, but over time it basically became the equivalent of the NXT Championship.
 
Suleiman said:
Speaking of ECW, Sabu interviews been popping up on my recommended.

Good to see him still in good health considering the absolutely insane spots this man took part in and what he put his body through.

Someone asked Paul Heyman recently who is the wrestler who should’ve been way more than what they ended up as, and he said Sabu. that he should’ve retired very very rich and a top tier legend for pioneering the high flying high risk style.

I remember on SvR 2008 he was the main legend I wanted to unlock because of his epic theme and because I thought he was Pakistani lol.
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Sabu from 1993-95 was an outstanding wrestler. If you go to YouTube and watch some of his matches from the early days of ECW (and when it was called Eastern Championship Wrestling), as well as in Japan (mainly FMW) you get to see how talented and ahead of his time he was. He probably influenced alot of wrestlers from that time. Unfortunately when ECW became ECW and they got that platform and cult audience he had completely destroyed his body and just wasn't the same anymore. The fact that he wrestled full-time till the early 2010s is astonishing to me.
 
Cena is now being advertised for the go-home SmackDown before WrestleMania.

Glad they came to their senses. I was thinking that was a pretty easy show for him to make considering its literally taking place on the eve of WrestleMania.
 
@shaz619 I don't know if you've heard of Megan Bayne but she's a seriously impressive talent. She’s around 6'0" (or close to it), has an incredible look, she's a little green but I would say works fairly well in the ring for someone of her level of experience and age (she's 26). The gimmick is simple—she is supposed to be a stoic, Wonder Woman like-powerhouse. Which also works for keeping her away from the mic too because I get the sense that her promo skills are not that well-developed.

I didn't even know she existed until she appeared on AEW a couple of months ago, and then a couple of weeks later they announced that she was 'All-Elite'. Apparently AEW scouted her very early and sent her to Stardom to learn her trade.

Having seen her in the ring a few times now, I can confidently say she has the highest ceiling of any up-and-coming female wrestler in the business at this moment. Atleast those that I have seen. Put her with the right manager and she can very easily become the female version of Brock Lesnar. Unlike Jade whose work has barely improved in the last few years, she is fairly advanced for her age and level of experience.

The only question at this point is when will she go to WWE? The good thing is that she’s still young, so she has time to make a name for herself as the big fish in a small pond before diving into the ocean. But I’m telling you, man—this girl has some serious potential. Can become one of the biggest female stars in the business if she manages to polish her skills and probably learn a bit of in-ring psychology.
 
I really admire Gunther. Not only does he have a fantastic understanding of what qualifies as 'good wrestling', but he also carries himself like a true champion that the company can bank on. Even when he is being honest he is diplomatic enough and doesn't just bury the company. Notice here how at 7:00 he says that 'a 10 week build for any feud is challenging', and how 'its not about his personal tastes, but what's best for the product'. If you read between the lines you can pretty much tell that he has the same feelings about this Jey Uso feud that we do. Also goes on to say that he asked (I'm assuming H) if he could mix it up with Punk, Seth, Roman, Cena, which is the question we were asking too for most of his reign. But went about saying this in a really tactful way after Helwani asked him who some of his dream opponents were. This is the type of guy you build your company around.

 
Meanwhile big chief lying through his teeth on the worst late night talk show with the worst and fakest late night host. "I had no idea I was being inducted." :broad

You ain't fooling anyone, chief. :kp

 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Cena is now being advertised for the go-home SmackDown before WrestleMania.

Glad they came to their senses. I was thinking that was a pretty easy show for him to make considering its literally taking place on the eve of WrestleMania.
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Good. Would be good if Cody doesn't appear on Raw altogether.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 I don't know if you've heard of Megan Bayne but she's a seriously impressive talent. She’s around 6'0" (or close to it), has an incredible look, she's a little green but I would say works fairly well in the ring for someone of her level of experience and age (she's 26). The gimmick is simple—she is supposed to be a stoic, Wonder Woman like-powerhouse. Which also works for keeping her away from the mic too because I get the sense that her promo skills are not that well-developed.

I didn't even know she existed until she appeared on AEW a couple of months ago, and then a couple of weeks later they announced that she was 'All-Elite'. Apparently AEW scouted her very early and sent her to Stardom to learn her trade.

Having seen her in the ring a few times now, I can confidently say she has the highest ceiling of any up-and-coming female wrestler in the business at this moment. Atleast those that I have seen. Put her with the right manager and she can very easily become the female version of Brock Lesnar. Unlike Jade whose work has barely improved in the last few years, she is fairly advanced for her age and level of experience.

The only question at this point is when will she go to WWE? The good thing is that she’s still young, so she has time to make a name for herself as the big fish in a small pond before diving into the ocean. But I’m telling you, man—this girl has some serious potential. Can become one of the biggest female stars in the business if she manages to polish her skills and probably learn a bit of in-ring psychology.
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Great find for AEW tbh their women's scout is pretty good, first Jade and now her, at 26 she got time so being in AEW wont be too much of a hinderance to her ceiling. I’d be looking at WWE in the next 3 years or so, she already seems like a step ahead of the rest, is her background native american? I would agree with you on Jade but since she came back there is more of a spring in her step and she appears to be a better performer.
 
shaz619 said:
Great find for AEW tbh their women's scout is pretty good, first Jade and now her, at 26 she got time so being in AEW wont be too much of a hinderance to her ceiling. I’d be looking at WWE in the next 3 years or so, she already seems like a step ahead of the rest, is her background native american? I would agree with you on Jade but since she came back there is more of a spring in her step and she appears to be a better performer.
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Jade still has massive star potential but honestly I don't see her work improving much from here. She has been trained by alot of really capable people in WWE and AEW. If she hasn't got it now, she probably won't ever get it. I reckon she needs to focus on the things she can do well. Even if she has a limited moveset, she can still get over as a big star provided she does what she knows well enough.

Agree on Megan Bayne. Not sure if she is Native American but yeah, I think for the immediate future this AEW run could actually be good for her. She is someone the WWE will always be interested in getting. Might as well build your value so that when you are ready to go to the big time you can get that big money deal and are closer to the main roster
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Jade still has massive star potential but honestly I don't see her work improving much from here. She has been trained by alot of really capable people in WWE and AEW. If she hasn't got it now, she probably won't ever get it. I reckon she needs to focus on the things she can do well. Even if she has a limited moveset, she can still get over as a big star provided she does what she knows well enough.

Agree on Megan Bayne. Not sure if she is Native American but yeah, I think for the immediate future this AEW run could actually be good for her. She is someone the WWE will always be interested in getting. Might as well build your value so that when you are ready to go to the big time you can get that big money deal and are closer to the main roster
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This programme with Naomi will tell us how far she can go, so far am happy with her work since coming back, massive massive test for her at Mania, but as you said, if she has a limiting skill level, then she will need to focus on her strengths as you said; in the end, for women similar to her size, I think Beth Phoenix & Chyna are the best examples of getting yourself over with the agility in mind.

Am going to look for more Megan Bayne content, anything stand out so far? As strong as WWE’s set up is currently, I still don’t think they should overlook well travelled wrestlers, Megan as you said had the benefit of working in Japan, if she came through the PC, I doubt that would be possible.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Not much, just another classic Scott Steiner promo.


"Hey Ric Flair, you old b@st@rd." :yk
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One of the best out there:

‘Hey, you know that test you keep wanting me to take, why don’t you ask H to do a p!ss test first and I”ll follow.’

The legend of his one liners extend backstage 🤣
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Meanwhile big chief lying through his teeth on the worst late night talk show with the worst and fakest late night host. "I had no idea I was being inducted." :broad

You ain't fooling anyone, chief. :kp

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The way he turned his face when Shawn/Taker announced it just got me, it’s like he prepared his whole life to come up with that expression as if we would all of a sudden become oblivious to how it all actually transpired.

I aint watched it but I bet I will get as much enjoyment as I did when he’d cut a promo in the early 2000’s or put someone in the abdominal stretch.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I really admire Gunther. Not only does he have a fantastic understanding of what qualifies as 'good wrestling', but he also carries himself like a true champion that the company can bank on. Even when he is being honest he is diplomatic enough and doesn't just bury the company. Notice here how at 7:00 he says that 'a 10 week build for any feud is challenging', and how 'its not about his personal tastes, but what's best for the product'. If you read between the lines you can pretty much tell that he has the same feelings about this Jey Uso feud that we do. Also goes on to say that he asked (I'm assuming H) if he could mix it up with Punk, Seth, Roman, Cena, which is the question we were asking too for most of his reign. But went about saying this in a really tactful way after Helwani asked him who some of his dream opponents were. This is the type of guy you build your company around.

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If you make guys like Gunther the biggest villain in wrestling, Cody wont need Reigns, Lesnar, Rock or Cena beyond the next 12 months; WWE didn’t even consider this when they made Gunther job to Cody at SS.
 
shaz619 said:
One of the best out there:

‘Hey, you know that test you keep wanting me to take, why don’t you ask H to do a p!ss test first and I”ll follow.’

The legend of his one liners extend backstage 🤣
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I think his exact words were "why do you bring up the limousine and me and Hunter can go together." :misbah
Apparently, that was the end of that. :ROFLMAO:

There will never be another guy like Scott Steiner.

I can't get over how he just keeps cutting his promo on Ric while Shane Douglas is laying the beating on him. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
shaz619 said:
The way he turned his face when Shawn/Taker announced it just got me, it’s like he prepared his whole life to come up with that expression as if we would all of a sudden become oblivious to how it all actually transpired.

I aint watched it but I bet I will get as much enjoyment as I did when he’d cut a promo in the early 2000’s or put someone in the abdominal stretch.
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Ah yes, the abdominal stretch. The most dangerous wrestling maneuver after the bear hug.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think his exact words were "why do you bring up the limousine and me and Hunter can go together." :misbah
Apparently, that was the end of that. :ROFLMAO:

There will never be another guy like Scott Steiner.

I can't get over how he just keeps cutting his promo on Ric while Shane Douglas is laying the beating on him. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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It’s even better than I remember 🤣🤣

He was one off a kind, a shame he became another H victim like every guy who was something across the pond, I don’t know why a 4/10 talent developed such a personal vendetta against these guys.

H was never as over as SS, Sting, any of the NWO guys and even Goldberg
 
shaz619 said:
It’s even better than I remember 🤣🤣

He was one off a kind, a shame he became another H victim like every guy who was something across the pond, I don’t know why a 4/10 talent developed such a personal vendetta against these guys.

H was never as over as SS, Sting, any of the NWO guys and even Goldberg
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Steiner doesn't get enough credit because his peak as a singles wrestler came when WCW was already in the toilet. But the way he transformed himself from a tag team wrestler with zero personality to the Freakzilla has to be one of the most amazing pro-wrestling transformations. The stuff he said—you couldn’t script that. That was just Scott Steiner being Scott Steiner. Had a very entertaining run in TNA too.

As a tag team, I reckon he and his brother will probably go down as one of the ATG tag teams. Anyone who wants to understand what tag team wrestling is supposed to be should watch Steiner Brothers matches from the early-90's. Some of the matches they had in Japan still hold up to this day.
 
shaz619 said:
It’s even better than I remember 🤣🤣

He was one off a kind, a shame he became another H victim like every guy who was something across the pond, I don’t know why a 4/10 talent developed such a personal vendetta against these guys.

H was never as over as SS, Sting, any of the NWO guys and even Goldberg
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His unabashed hate for Triple H is also something I find quite entertaining. He has a pretty good reason for it though. H completely buried him in that feud eventhough he came into WWE with alot of fanfare at Survivor Series in MSG. For me though, that feud exposed H more than it exposed Steiner because Steiner was past his physical prime. It was H's job to make the match good but it felt like he was just trying to sabotage Steiner. H showed that he can only have a good match if he is in the ring with someone better than him. From what I recall those matches were absolutely atrocious. Btw, remember this? H's way of giving Steiner some credibility:


 
shaz619 said:
If you make guys like Gunther the biggest villain in wrestling, Cody wont need Reigns, Lesnar, Rock or Cena beyond the next 12 months; WWE didn’t even consider this when they made Gunther job to Cody at SS.
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It's not exactly rocket science either. Just book him like you booked him during his IC title reign. Only instead of beating midcarders have him go over established names. But I guess you need guts as a booker to actually do that.

If I were booking him, I would have him outright squash atleast one of those top guys he named just to make a statement and make people take notice. He needs to be booked like a Brock Lesnar-level monster, not another one of the main-event guys. He doesn't stand-out like this.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Steiner doesn't get enough credit because his peak as a singles wrestler came when WCW was already in the toilet. But the way he transformed himself from a tag team wrestler with zero personality to the Freakzilla has to be one of the most amazing pro-wrestling transformations. The stuff he said—you couldn’t script that. That was just Scott Steiner being Scott Steiner. Had a very entertaining run in TNA too.

As a tag team, I reckon he and his brother will probably go down as one of the ATG tag teams. Anyone who wants to understand what tag team wrestling is supposed to be should watch Steiner Brothers matches from the early-90's. Some of the matches they had in Japan still hold up to this day.
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Although I don't rate Steiner among the best, he was pretty good though. I remember in 2000 watching him on Nitro where he had three matches on a single show, a 1 vs 4 match, a singles match with DDP, and a match with Sting. He was quite hot for a dying show WCW had become at that point. He was simply treated very badly upon his re-signing with WWE during the RA. Soon after his feud with Trips, he was tag teaming with Test and Stacy and jobbing out.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Steiner doesn't get enough credit because his peak as a singles wrestler came when WCW was already in the toilet. But the way he transformed himself from a tag team wrestler with zero personality to the Freakzilla has to be one of the most amazing pro-wrestling transformations. The stuff he said—you couldn’t script that. That was just Scott Steiner being Scott Steiner. Had a very entertaining run in TNA too.

As a tag team, I reckon he and his brother will probably go down as one of the ATG tag teams. Anyone who wants to understand what tag team wrestling is supposed to be should watch Steiner Brothers matches from the early-90's. Some of the matches they had in Japan still hold up to this day.
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Steiner was over wherever he travelled and I’ve rarely seen him on my TV when he was not entertaining, you are right about the early 90’s and the Steiner Brother’s in general, I only watched bits and bobs of their peak (I actually though Scott wasn’t in the tag team because he was unrecognisable and incredibly athletic - as you said we watched him well past his peak form but I was a big fan of Big Poppa Pump), it wasn’t until Jim kept raving on the podcast about them that I went out of my way to see their matches and I was blown away, it makes me sad to see the state of the tag division presently. I think that style/era of working ending when Jay Briscoe passed away, because The Revival & The Briscoe’s were destined to wrestle each other till the end quiet literally, no one else was on their level.

Not to mention, Scott innovated the Frankensteiner to; it’s an insult to see H get inducted in comparison to all these names who did way more for the industry really, it’s like he had to bury these guys to sell us a fallacy that he was superior.

Isn’t also nice that Steiner always puts his nephew over, that’s what I love about the wrestling business, it’s a proper family, imagine Steiner was a Pakistani, he would be calling Bron a jobber all over Youtube.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Although I don't rate Steiner among the best, he was pretty good though. I remember in 2000 watching him on Nitro where he had three matches on a single show, a 1 vs 4 match, a singles match with DDP, and a match with Sting. He was quite hot for a dying show WCW had become at that point. He was simply treated very badly upon his re-signing with WWE during the RA. Soon after his feud with Trips, he was tag teaming with Test and Stacy and jobbing out.
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Trips treated all the WCW guys pretty poorly besides his buddies who were past it anyway, Steiner is a personified great, when I went back to watch him as a tag team pioneer it made me appreciate him more and then towards the end of his prime, he got over as a singles star in WCW as well, we got to remember it was the peak of wrestling’s popularity so even if it was a dying ship, for Scott to get over, it couldn’t have been easy and there were a select few guys who were in the same boat in 1999/2000. You could argue that out all the WCW guys, and I don’t say this lightly, Scott got treated the worst, part of it might be how outspoken he was backstage and more willing to stand up to 4/10.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It's not exactly rocket science either. Just book him like you booked him during his IC title reign. Only instead of beating midcarders have him go over established names. But I guess you need guts as a booker to actually do that.

If I were booking him, I would have him outright squash atleast one of those top guys he named just to make a statement and make people take notice. He needs to be booked like a Brock Lesnar-level monster, not another one of the main-event guys. He doesn't stand-out like this.
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To get to that Lesnar stage we need him to do something close to Lesnar ending the streak and Lesnar squashing Cena at SS; the latter obviously is more possible but this is the territory we need to be heading towards, it wont make Cody look weak, if anything, he’d get more over. Either they are incompetent or are deliberately presenting Gunther as the weaker champion. H of all people should understand that the two champions can co-exist despite being booked strong in a similar fashion, we got the best example during the early 2000’s, H got more of the green but the WWE champion was not consistently buried, Heyman was involved at the time and Vince had the two brands working almost independently, it made for those RAW v SD battles that much more special, look at these lot, it’s like the bloods and crips going to war lmao:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910402003773141330
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Every time I watch Nash, I appreciate just how good Undertaker and Kane were.
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People take those guys for granted and how agile they were for their size, a big guy should simply not be able to work like that for a long period, Taker was practically inhuman for the punishment he took, he really was The Deadman.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This is too funny :amir2
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I was surprised by his comments because you can criticise her for how she is presented etc but not her ring work, she is one of the best lightweight wrestlers on the planet because of how well she cuts of the ring. On the flip side, they are doing a better job with the triple threat build and Sky is gaining heat every week.
 
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