The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[BunnyRabbit]

People take those guys for granted and how agile they were for their size, a big guy should simply not be able to work like that for a long period, Taker was practically inhuman for the punishment he took, he really was The Deadman.

And watching Nash past his prime is always funny except when he would keep coming back without any follow up.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Trips treated all the WCW guys pretty poorly besides his buddies who were past it anyway, Steiner is a personified great, when I went back to watch him as a tag team pioneer it made me appreciate him more and then towards the end of his prime, he got over as a singles star in WCW as well, we got to remember it was the peak of wrestling’s popularity so even if it was a dying ship, for Scott to get over, it couldn’t have been easy and there were a select few guys who were in the same boat in 1999/2000. You could argue that out all the WCW guys, and I don’t say this lightly, Scott got treated the worst, part of it might be how outspoken he was backstage and more willing to stand up to 4/10.

I haven't followed The Steiner brothers as much and really only follow Scott's singles career in late WCW and beyond.

 

[sweep_shot]

And watching Nash past his prime is always funny except when he would keep coming back without any follow up.

Enjoyed Nash's run in 2003.

His feud with Triple H was good. The buildup was good. Storyline was good.

Even 2011 feuds with CM Punk and Triple H weren't that bad.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I was surprised by his comments because you can criticise her for how she is presented etc but not her ring work, she is one of the best lightweight wrestlers on the planet because of how well she cuts of the ring. On the flip side, they are doing a better job with the triple threat build and Sky is gaining heat every week.

I agree he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best female wrestlers going around. JC also this bias of underrating smaller wrestlers a bit. Iyo though really knows how to use her small size to her advantage.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I agree he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best female wrestlers going around. JC also this bias of underrating smaller wrestlers a bit. Iyo though really knows how to use her small size to her advantage.

she*

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

To get to that Lesnar stage we need him to do something close to Lesnar ending the streak and Lesnar squashing Cena at SS; the latter obviously is more possible but this is the territory we need to be heading towards, it wont make Cody look weak, if anything, he’d get more over. Either they are incompetent or are deliberately presenting Gunther as the weaker champion. H of all people should understand that the two champions can co-exist despite being booked strong in a similar fashion, we got the best example during the early 2000’s, H got more of the green but the WWE champion was not consistently buried, Heyman was involved at the time and Vince had the two brands working almost independently, it made for those RAW v SD battles that much more special, look at these lot, it’s like the bloods and crips going to war lmao:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910402003773141330

Yeah definitely they need something big. Because so far the booking of Gunther and this belt has just made it feel like a secondary belt. Great point on the 2000s. I think later aswell in 2016 they managed to restore some equivalence between the two belts but this has been it. Miss the SD v RAW era and brand warfare. You would even get to see heels and babyfaces united by their hate for the other brand. And logically that made sense. Some of those Survivor Series were fantastic.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Steiner was over wherever he travelled and I’ve rarely seen him on my TV when he was not entertaining, you are right about the early 90’s and the Steiner Brother’s in general, I only watched bits and bobs of their peak (I actually though Scott wasn’t in the tag team because he was unrecognisable and incredibly athletic - as you said we watched him well past his peak form but I was a big fan of Big Poppa Pump), it wasn’t until Jim kept raving on the podcast about them that I went out of my way to see their matches and I was blown away, it makes me sad to see the state of the tag division presently. I think that style/era of working ending when Jay Briscoe passed away, because The Revival & The Briscoe’s were destined to wrestle each other till the end quiet literally, no one else was on their level.

Not to mention, Scott innovated the Frankensteiner to; it’s an insult to see H get inducted in comparison to all these names who did way more for the industry really, it’s like he had to bury these guys to sell us a fallacy that he was superior.

Isn’t also nice that Steiner always puts his nephew over, that’s what I love about the wrestling business, it’s a proper family, imagine Steiner was a Pakistani, he would be calling Bron a jobber all over Youtube.

Haha it was the same for me. I went back and saw Steiner Bros matches after Jim raved about them. Was particularly impressed by Steiner Bros v Hase and Sasaki. But honestly their work from that era was stellar across promotions.

Yeah Jey's passing was really unfortunate. I think those two teams alone were capable of reshaping modern day tag team wrestling. You could have reversed the roles and gotten multiple feuds out of them, revisited it again and again. Tbh, FTR haven't been the same since Punk left. Which is such a shame considering they have involved in almost all the greatest tag team matches of the modern era. They might be building towards FTR v Edge and Christian at All In, which I would be very excited to see. But the state of tag team wrestling in general is not the same eventhough at one point AEW was doing really brilliantly there.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This programme with Naomi will tell us how far she can go, so far am happy with her work since coming back, massive massive test for her at Mania, but as you said, if she has a limiting skill level, then she will need to focus on her strengths as you said; in the end, for women similar to her size, I think Beth Phoenix & Chyna are the best examples of getting yourself over with the agility in mind.

Am going to look for more Megan Bayne content, anything stand out so far? As strong as WWE’s set up is currently, I still don’t think they should overlook well travelled wrestlers, Megan as you said had the benefit of working in Japan, if she came through the PC, I doubt that would be possible.

Yes good example. Chyna was horrible in the ring but got her size over pretty well. There's Awesome Kong but she is in an entirely league altogether, because she excelled in all areas. One of the greatest female wrestlers ever imo.

Tbh not much. I am not a big enough fan to back and watch Stardom. In AEW, I reckon the match she had with Toni Storm at the most recent PPV is probably the best example of what she can do. Because it was a world title match with a good amount of time. Though I feel Toni carried her there a fair bit.

You're right. The PC is good but it has its disadvantages too. It's too much like a training school and wrestlers are not getting enough audience exposure. This why their developmental programs in OVW and FCW were different. Because there you didn't have like a hardcore base of fans every week. Alot of the people in the audience were just regular small-town people who didn't have anything better to do lol.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Every time I watch Nash, I appreciate just how good Undertaker and Kane were.

I've warmed up to Nash a bit over the years. He was a really smart and canny operator. Despite being like 2/10 in the ring for most of his career he was at one point one of the highest-paid wrestlers in the business, a multiple time world champion, was at the center of the hottest wrestling storyline of all-time and even ended Goldberg's streak. You also can't deny that the guy had alot of personality. I even enjoy/agree with his takes on modern wrestling most of the time. But he is way off base here.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Although I don't rate Steiner among the best, he was pretty good though. I remember in 2000 watching him on Nitro where he had three matches on a single show, a 1 vs 4 match, a singles match with DDP, and a match with Sting. He was quite hot for a dying show WCW had become at that point. He was simply treated very badly upon his re-signing with WWE during the RA. Soon after his feud with Trips, he was tag teaming with Test and Stacy and jobbing out.

In the ring his peak was pretty much over after the early 90s. He had a good enough run in WCW at the top of the card but the completely was basically finished so nobody remembers it. It was his personality and promos though that were so goddamn entertaining. I mean the Steiner math promo is just legendary and there's plenty of more examples. In TNA he was completely unhinged lol. Nobody was going to tell him how to do a promo.

Yes, I remember that too. It was pretty horrible. Test is another wrestler I consider to be very underrated and another guy Triple H buried. Nobody did the big boot like Test. And he moved so well for his size. RIP.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Enjoyed Nash's run in 2003.

His feud with Triple H was good. The buildup was good. Storyline was good.

Even 2011 feuds with CM Punk and Triple H weren't that bad.

The match he had with H was good ngl. It probably might be one of his best matches, right up there with the match he had with Bret.

The CM Punk stuff (can't even call it a feud) and everything that transpired there was just horrible though. It completely destroyed Punk's momentum. And while you can't blame Nash for that, you can definitely blame Triple H for it.

 

[Suleiman]

Trips treated all the WCW guys pretty poorly besides his buddies who were past it anyway, Steiner is a personified great, when I went back to watch him as a tag team pioneer it made me appreciate him more and then towards the end of his prime, he got over as a singles star in WCW as well, we got to remember it was the peak of wrestling’s popularity so even if it was a dying ship, for Scott to get over, it couldn’t have been easy and there were a select few guys who were in the same boat in 1999/2000. You could argue that out all the WCW guys, and I don’t say this lightly, Scott got treated the worst, part of it might be how outspoken he was backstage and more willing to stand up to 4/10.

Scott Steiner and Booker T >>>>> Triple H

And yet this guy went over against both lol.

Those 2 losing to him in the reign of terror were what declined my interest for the first time until Batista put his sorry a** through a table when he chose Raw and would continue to beat him every time until he sadly chose to retire vs him.

I still remember when he came back one final time for an evolution reunion and turned on H for no reason lmao.