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shaz619 said:
I haven’t seen any wrestling for days until a recently the two matches from SNME, I got locked out my phone and had to restore it, I became so consumed in my hatred of H that I forgot my passcode :yk3

LA v Seth was a decent match and I really enjoyed the finish, who says that our prayers are not answered :akhtar

The main-event was good to, Berg to be fair was in amazing shape for his age and had a better match then Dwayne at WM, Gunther put on one of his best performances ever and did well to make Berg appear like the weapon he has always been presented as. People don’t like a squash (maybe they are done well these days) but Berg is the king of them, his character and strong booking in the past have ensured the audience always suspends their disbelief, I always feel the best way to go about a Berg match is a sprint, Heyman got that spot on almost 10 years ago (pretty mental the time gap), but I don’t know if Berg could do that kind of match in 2025, this match will be harder on his body but because of the pacing they didn’t empty the tank. It was amusing they cut him off at the end but I know that was a H call and he can do that but he will never be remotely close to being as over as Goldberg was and is to this day.
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Think nothing will top his 2016-17 comeback. That was perfect with Brock as his dancing partner whose selling was as perfect as it could be and made GB look he hadn't lost a step. The first shoulder tackle Gunther oversold was so funny. Brock did it way too perfectly.

GB's body look shredded but his upper extremity was way more jacked up than lower extremity like there was definitely a discrepancy between his upper and lower limbs. Seems like he put most of the training into getting his upper body jacked up.
 
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shaz619 said:
On Seth Rollins and his fragile little toes, reminds me of the weak quads of a certain 4/10. Seth got injured the same way years ago, he actually messed up the Senton, landing awkwardly and then the idiot decided to do a moonsault spot after that making it worse. If he ever returns at this level and I certainly hope not, he can’t really fly around anymore. He better perfect the abdominal stretch in the mean time and the art of 60 min speeches.
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Well i think it's a blessing that we won't have to put up with his whiny rants for a few months atleast. Even Jericho doesn't get injured doing a moonsault at 55 years. And his marks say he's HBK of his generation. :ROFLMAO:
 
shaz619 said:
I haven’t seen any wrestling for days until a recently the two matches from SNME, I got locked out my phone and had to restore it, I became so consumed in my hatred of H that I forgot my passcode :yk3

LA v Seth was a decent match and I really enjoyed the finish, who says that our prayers are not answered :akhtar

The main-event was good to, Berg to be fair was in amazing shape for his age and had a better match then Dwayne at WM, Gunther put on one of his best performances ever and did well to make Berg appear like the weapon he has always been presented as. People don’t like a squash (maybe they are done well these days) but Berg is the king of them, his character and strong booking in the past have ensured the audience always suspends their disbelief, I always feel the best way to go about a Berg match is a sprint, Heyman got that spot on almost 10 years ago (pretty mental the time gap), but I don’t know if Berg could do that kind of match in 2025, this match will be harder on his body but because of the pacing they didn’t empty the tank. It was amusing they cut him off at the end but I know that was a H call and he can do that but he will never be remotely close to being as over as Goldberg was and is to this day.
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I thought Goldberg v Gunther exceeded expectations. I don't know how much of this match you saw because alot of people complained that it ran through commercials. But I saw a good 11-12 mins of this match on the feed I was watching it on.

Goldberg did fairly well for someone who was clearly having alot of trouble just walking. Gunther ofcourse carried the match but I thought in general, it was well put together and had good psychology. They did well to highlight Goldberg's strengths without completely burying Gunther. The match was clunky in spots but you can easily forgive that in a match like this. Goldberg delivered his greatest hits as best he could and took some rough bumps too. So you can't fault him for the effort. All in all, a very decent match. Though I do wish Gunther that had won the match by powerbombing him out of his boots.:yk3

Also think they should have just cut out one match and given those 10-15 minutes to Goldberg to deliver his retirement speech or whatever. Which they showed like one minute of on TV. I may not be his biggest fan, but the simple fact is that Goldberg was one of the biggest stars in the wrestling business at a time when wrestling was at its commercial and cultural peak. He had a major impact and you have to acknowledge that. If you're giving him that send-off then why not give a proper one?
 
shaz619 said:
On Seth Rollins and his fragile little toes, reminds me of the weak quads of a certain 4/10. Seth got injured the same way years ago, he actually messed up the Senton, landing awkwardly and then the idiot decided to do a moonsault spot after that making it worse. If he ever returns at this level and I certainly hope not, he can’t really fly around anymore. He better perfect the abdominal stretch in the mean time and the art of 60 min speeches.
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Wishing Seth Rollins a nice, long recovery. Really, take your time. No need to rush back, these things take time. Take the year off. Or two.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Think nothing will top his 2016-17 comeback. That was perfect with Brock as his dancing partner whose selling was as perfect as it could be and made GB look he hadn't lost a step. The first shoulder tackle Gunther oversold was so funny. Brock did it way too perfectly.

GB's body look shredded but his upper extremity was way more jacked up than lower extremity like there was definitely a discrepancy between his upper and lower limbs. Seems like he put most of the training into getting his upper body jacked up.
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Bro that was 8 years ago. He was still 50 then.
 
shaz619 said:
I haven’t seen any wrestling for days until a recently the two matches from SNME, I got locked out my phone and had to restore it, I became so consumed in my hatred of H that I forgot my passcode :yk3

LA v Seth was a decent match and I really enjoyed the finish, who says that our prayers are not answered :akhtar
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Now H will say look I pushed LA Knight
 
shaz619 said:
The main-event was good to, Berg to be fair was in amazing shape for his age and had a better match then Dwayne at WM, Gunther put on one of his best performances ever and did well to make Berg appear like the weapon he has always been presented as. People don’t like a squash (maybe they are done well these days) but Berg is the king of them, his character and strong booking in the past have ensured the audience always suspends their disbelief, I always feel the best way to go about a Berg match is a sprint, Heyman got that spot on almost 10 years ago (pretty mental the time gap), but I don’t know if Berg could do that kind of match in 2025, this match will be harder on his body but because of the pacing they didn’t empty the tank. It was amusing they cut him off at the end but I know that was a H call and he can do that but he will never be remotely close to being as over as Goldberg was and is to this day.
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Agreed. He looked in amazing shape for someone who is 58! I think a few spots were probably discarded because of his lack of mobility but they did well to work around that. Enough smoke and mirrors with the barricade bump, ref bump and trash-talking with the son to give some breathing room. Overall, I can't say I really have anything negative to say about the match itself. I think Gunther was the best guy to have this match.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Well i think it's a blessing that we won't have to put up with his whiny rants for a few months atleast. Even Jericho doesn't get injured doing a moonsault at 55 years. And his marks say he's HBK of his generation. :ROFLMAO:
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This post helped me remember my passcode but it’s too late now.

@RedwoodOriginal I lost all my past planning for the stories I had written, and also notes from workshops; which I might still be able to recover when I go through the physical notepad. Lesson for everyone, back-up regularly and for any useful info, write it all down so you don’t lose it. I had movie recommendations and all sorts to help with ideas etc, it was called the Horror Pad lol So gutted, I kept a log of my reading history to as I set targets and other goals, this is the second reset I’ve been given this year by the higher power, need to dig deeper.

Also, this might be weird, but I use to record some of my in-frequent dreams of people who had long passed away, it was like a bleak way to remember them.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Agreed. He looked in amazing shape for someone who is 58! I think a few spots were probably discarded because of his lack of mobility but they did well to work around that. Enough smoke and mirrors with the barricade bump, ref bump and trash-talking with the son to give some breathing room. Overall, I can't say I really have anything negative to say about the match itself. I think Gunther was the best guy to have this match.
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Do you think they could have done the match Berg & Lesnar had at WM (The rematch?) ? That was the best sub 5 min shootout I’ve ever seen, anytime Berg does something the crowd goes nuts like his opponent just got shot, wish we could create more characters like this, I guess Lesnar could pull it off but I’d still give it a go with others such as Oba Femi and we have seen Samoa Joe used in a similar way during his peak.

Imo it was the biggest match in Gunther’s career, if they do the Cena match last I hope it is not at SNME
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I thought Goldberg v Gunther exceeded expectations. I don't know how much of this match you saw because alot of people complained that it ran through commercials. But I saw a good 11-12 mins of this match on the feed I was watching it on.

Goldberg did fairly well for someone who was clearly having alot of trouble just walking. Gunther ofcourse carried the match but I thought in general, it was well put together and had good psychology. They did well to highlight Goldberg's strengths without completely burying Gunther. The match was clunky in spots but you can easily forgive that in a match like this. Goldberg delivered his greatest hits as best he could and took some rough bumps too. So you can't fault him for the effort. All in all, a very decent match. Though I do wish Gunther that had won the match by powerbombing him out of his boots.:yk3

Also think they should have just cut out one match and given those 10-15 minutes to Goldberg to deliver his retirement speech or whatever. Which they showed like one minute of on TV. I may not be his biggest fan, but the simple fact is that Goldberg was one of the biggest stars in the wrestling business at a time when wrestling was at its commercial and cultural peak. He had a major impact and you have to acknowledge that. If you're giving him that send-off then why not give a proper one?
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Bro Goldberg took more bumps then Dwayne and Gunther deserves credit for sure but this match actually had flow and was engaging, Goldberg was trying to work a more psychological match (I disagree his matches need that) and it was appreciated. I agree with you, when Goldberg lost like that by submission, I felt a deep sadness and I don’t know why, maybe I am too old and this was one of my favourite chapters in wrestling being closed forever, it was extremely disrespectful & very deliberate the way they cut him off, I can assure you that was a mean move from H, he could never stand how over Berg was compared to him
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Well i think it's a blessing that we won't have to put up with his whiny rants for a few months atleast. Even Jericho doesn't get injured doing a moonsault at 55 years. And his marks say he's HBK of his generation. :ROFLMAO:
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Jericho is the OG!

If anything, he is a lot more worthy of being compared to Shawn, if I recall correctly, Shawn was a huge inspiration on Y2J growing up.

Every single match HBK & Jericho ever had, was 5* by today’s standards, it was poetry in motion.

When I had the network, I watched the 08 rivalry from start to finish and man it was something special. That’s one of the big losses off getting Netflix, we can’t single out a feud and watch it from start to finish sadly.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Bro that was 8 years ago. He was still 50 then.
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It had been about 7-8 months since they did the angle with Gunther, Goldberg had been in camp since then to have this match, we need another documentary to see what he put himself through. For better or worse he sees himself as being a super-hero, and trying to get back into his late 90’s character must have been brutal, he was motivated mainly so his son could watch him as an older lad. To be motivated at his age for that long, I saw DDP behind him, that knob has been in terrific shape for years lol respect still he never got the itch to return though there were so many dream matches to make; the biggest one; Orton vs DDP!!
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal

What did you make of this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944262098361684462

Is that the best we’re going to get from him in terms of making up for his prior comments / clarifying them…..I don’t expect him to say Muslim, but I will take black, green & purple; I bleed green so 🤷🤷
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Goldberg is a zionist Jew, so obviously won't mention Muslims which is disappointing, but I have always been a fan. I know that he was never a great wrestler, but fans of WCW in the late 90s didn't care. All they wanted to see was him hit a spear and the jackhammer, and squash his opponents and he was massively over. Modern wrestling fans will never understand just how over Bill Goldberg was in the late 90s.

As for the match, it was as good a match as you can expect from Goldberg. If anything, it exceeded my expectations. I am glad he didn't drop Gunter on his head whilst doing the jackhammer. Gunter deserves a lot of credit for getting a decent match out of 60 year old Goldberg.
 
I know Seth Rollins is currently injured and I wish him a speedy recovery, but I need to say this. Seth Rollins is just not THAT GUY. WWE have been trying to push this guy as a main eventer since 2014, but he is just not him. He is a good midcard, semi main event wrestler, but he is never one of the top stars. They are currently trying to present him as his top heel alongside Paul Heyman, but it just isn't working.
 
shaz619 said:
This post helped me remember my passcode but it’s too late now.

@RedwoodOriginal I lost all my past planning for the stories I had written, and also notes from workshops; which I might still be able to recover when I go through the physical notepad. Lesson for everyone, back-up regularly and for any useful info, write it all down so you don’t lose it. I had movie recommendations and all sorts to help with ideas etc, it was called the Horror Pad lol So gutted, I kept a log of my reading history to as I set targets and other goals, this is the second reset I’ve been given this year by the higher power, need to dig deeper.

Also, this might be weird, but I use to record some of my in-frequent dreams of people who had long passed away, it was like a bleak way to remember them.
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Was your passcode 4/10?? :p
 
shaz619 said:
Jericho is the OG!

If anything, he is a lot more worthy of being compared to Shawn, if I recall correctly, Shawn was a huge inspiration on Y2J growing up.

Every single match HBK & Jericho ever had, was 5* by today’s standards, it was poetry in motion.

When I had the network, I watched the 08 rivalry from start to finish and man it was something special. That’s one of the big losses off getting Netflix, we can’t single out a feud and watch it from start to finish sadly.
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According to Y2J, it was Owen, Steamboat and HBK as the 3 guys for him.
 
shaz619 said:
It had been about 7-8 months since they did the angle with Gunther, Goldberg had been in camp since then to have this match, we need another documentary to see what he put himself through. For better or worse he sees himself as being a super-hero, and trying to get back into his late 90’s character must have been brutal, he was motivated mainly so his son could watch him as an older lad. To be motivated at his age for that long, I saw DDP behind him, that knob has been in terrific shape for years lol respect still he never got the itch to return though there were so many dream matches to make; the biggest one; Orton vs DDP!!
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Man no one can top Austin's final match. He just returned after 19 years, put on an awesome brawl, and left. The biggest star in the history of pro wrestling also the realest one.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Yup and it should have stayed that way. Whatever he did afterwards was embarassing, maybe apart from his match against Lashley.
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They flew too close to the sun after the Lesnar feud, if you go back and watch that Taker match, the layout of it, it was going to be an epic shootout had he not concussed himself before hand. Austin’s ring IQ is on another level, he knew what he needed to do and what he could do, he’s so far ahead of the rest in that regard and won’t allow his ego to get the best of him in the ring.
 
I enjoyed AEW All In. But the show was too damn long, and a battle of attrition at times. Had to watch it over two days. Glad the Moxley world title run is over. But I'm not sure if putting the belt on Page is the answer. Hopefully MJF gets it back soon enough. Also interested to see the Edge/Christian reunion and eventual match against FTR. I think All Out in Toronto might be the place to do it. Also, credit to AEW for packing 30k+ in the stadium, it looked like a big crowd, which might also be one of the biggest for non-WWE shows in the US.
 
I enjoyed AEW All In. But the show was too damn long, and a battle of attrition at times. Had to watch it over two days. Glad the Moxley world title run is over. But I'm not sure if putting the belt on Page is the answer. Hopefully MJF gets it back soon enough. Only explanation behind lazy, sleepy Okada beating Omega is that they have another match planned for Toronto probably, which Omega is going to win. The tease of the Edge/Christian reunion was also promising, as was the tease for Edge/Christian v FTR. I think All Out in Toronto might be the place to do it. Also, credit to AEW for packing 30k+ in the stadium, it looked like a big crowd, which might also be one of the biggest for non-WWE shows in the US.
 
I'm feeling Gunther v Punk for SummerSlam.

Gonna be a banger for the ages if it happens.

The Gauntlet match announced for RAW tonight feels like it's set up for him to win.
 
shaz619 said:
They flew too close to the sun after the Lesnar feud, if you go back and watch that Taker match, the layout of it, it was going to be an epic shootout had he not concussed himself before hand. Austin’s ring IQ is on another level, he knew what he needed to do and what he could do, he’s so far ahead of the rest in that regard and won’t allow his ego to get the best of him in the ring.
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Gorg is the one to blame for that. Genius first busted his head open while smashing his head against a locker in his room during entrance and then proceeded to give himself a concussion 5 min later during the opening minute of the match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I enjoyed AEW All In. But the show was too damn long, and a battle of attrition at times. Had to watch it over two days. Glad the Moxley world title run is over. But I'm not sure if putting the belt on Page is the answer. Hopefully MJF gets it back soon enough. Only explanation behind lazy, sleepy Okada beating Omega is that they have another match planned for Toronto probably, which Omega is going to win. The tease of the Edge/Christian reunion was also promising, as was the tease for Edge/Christian v FTR. I think All Out in Toronto might be the place to do it. Also, credit to AEW for packing 30k+ in the stadium, it looked like a big crowd, which might also be one of the biggest for non-WWE shows in the US.
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Edge and Christian are two guys who can still go full throttle despite being 50+ and they are one of the most underrated tag teams of all time due to their singles career success.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
@RedwoodOriginal predicted it a month ago that Okada would win this one knowing how the mark TK uses profightdb etc to figure out who should win the match even if the story is telling him to do otherwise.
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You were right. I guess since Omega was 3-2 on H2H, they wanted to give Okada this win to set up a rematch. Which is fair enough. Might as well get something out of their most overhyped, overpaid, overpushed wrestler.

There was no way this match was ever going to compare to their previous matches, but I still enjoyed it alot. It was more deliberately paced. Omega has toned down his style because of the tuberculosis which is a blessing in disguise because now fans are getting to see what a great wrestler he is, without the flashiness that was not only very high-risk but has also taken a major toll on his body and shortened his career. As for Okada, he can still put on great matches when he is motivated. Like here. But the reality is that most of the time he is just there to pick up the paycheck.
 
Who the **** is Jelly Roll? I am sick of the endless involvement of celebrities. You got so many of your roster that can't get a match on your PLEs. But these no good untalented celebrities keep getting undeserved opporunities at the expense of wrestlers who live and breathe the wrestling business. I hate the Triple H and TKO era. I wish I could go back in time and relive the Vince McMahon era of wrestling again. The worst version of Vince McMahon is miles better than the best version of Triple H as a booker.
 
The_KING said:
Who the **** is Jelly Roll? I am sick of the endless involvement of celebrities. You got so many of your roster that can't get a match on your PLEs. But these no good untalented celebrities keep getting undeserved opporunities at the expense of wrestlers who live and breathe the wrestling business. I hate the Triple H and TKO era. I wish I could go back in time and relive the Vince McMahon era of wrestling again. The worst version of Vince McMahon is miles better than the best version of Triple H as a booker.
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So fat redneck rapper that nobody has heard of

Of all the useless celebs they have involved he seems to be the worst and least popular
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal

What did you make of this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1944262098361684462

Is that the best we’re going to get from him in terms of making up for his prior comments / clarifying them…..I don’t expect him to say Muslim, but I will take black, green & purple; I bleed green so 🤷🤷
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Not reading too much into it. It's a pretty PC/inoffensive message. So gonna take it at face value and hope he's talking about all the abuse he has faced from Bret over the years🤣, rather than something else
 
shaz619 said:
It had been about 7-8 months since they did the angle with Gunther, Goldberg had been in camp since then to have this match, we need another documentary to see what he put himself through. For better or worse he sees himself as being a super-hero, and trying to get back into his late 90’s character must have been brutal, he was motivated mainly so his son could watch him as an older lad. To be motivated at his age for that long, I saw DDP behind him, that knob has been in terrific shape for years lol respect still he never got the itch to return though there were so many dream matches to make; the biggest one; Orton vs DDP!!
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Yeah. I mean he does deserve credit for getting in this kinda shape at this age. Generally when you see old legends come back to the ring, the difference is noticable. But that wasn't the case here.

Bro DDP is 69. I don't think he should be getting in the ring. Plus he seems to be heavily involved in his DDP Yoga stuff si it's not like he needs the money. It shocks me to the core btw that he is 69 years old now. That's simply insane when you look at how good he looks. I think he was in his 40s when he won the WCW World Championship. He famously started in the business very late.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Man no one can top Austin's final match. He just returned after 19 years, put on an awesome brawl, and left. The biggest star in the history of pro wrestling also the realest one.
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It was an entertaining match but it was not a wrestling match. It worked because Austin is an incredible worker and excellent at the smoke and mirrors stuff. But you would be hard-pressed to find many bumps taken by him in that match. Ditto for Dwayne in that tag match.

In contrast, Goldberg went out there and had a proper wrestling match.
 
shaz619 said:
Bro Goldberg took more bumps then Dwayne and Gunther deserves credit for sure but this match actually had flow and was engaging, Goldberg was trying to work a more psychological match (I disagree his matches need that) and it was appreciated. I agree with you, when Goldberg lost like that by submission, I felt a deep sadness and I don’t know why, maybe I am too old and this was one of my favourite chapters in wrestling being closed forever, it was extremely disrespectful & very deliberate the way they cut him off, I can assure you that was a mean move from H, he could never stand how over Berg was compared to him
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In general I hate the choke-out finish. It's a natural by-product of the rise of MMA but it doesn't work in wrestling. As JC would say, it plays flatter than a plate full of pi$$ and just sucks the energy out of the live crowd.

Genius bookers like Triple H and Tony Khan think that's it's a nice out to give to your babyface since he doesn't tap out. But in reality, it just makes the babyface look weak.

I don't understand what's so offensive about a pinfall finish? Not every pinfall = a definitive defeat. If you are smart you can make it look like the babyface just got caught and got pinned. It happens in every sport. But this is not a booker with those kind of brains
 
Guess they are pulling the plug on the unnamed faction and pushing Bron for world championship contention sooner than expected.

Good.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
In general I hate the choke-out finish. It's a natural by-product of the rise of MMA but it doesn't work in wrestling. As JC would say, it plays flatter than a plate full of pi$$ and just sucks the energy out of the live crowd.

Genius bookers like Triple H and Tony Khan think that's it's a nice out to give to your babyface since he doesn't tap out. But in reality, it just makes the babyface look weak.

I don't understand what's so offensive about a pinfall finish? Not every pinfall = a definitive defeat. If you are smart you can make it look like the babyface just got caught and got pinned. It happens in every sport. But this is not a booker with those kind of brains
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I don’t mind it so much when exclusive to certain wrestlers; when Joe did it, made it feel like he was taking your soul, if every man and his kutha does it, then it loses its appeal. I completely see your view as well though; beating someone 1, 2 and 3, clean as a whistle down the middle, it doesn’t get bigger than that. But maybe that would be too much for Goldberg. Looking at it more now, the choke out would have more effect if Goldberg was tapping out desperately like a dog. In the WWE world, just passing out is seen as protecting the opponent, and over-used under H, it’s not that it’s terrible, H just doesn’t know how or when to do it right due to his small pea sized brain. The most famous double turn had that pass out finish! H couldn’t dream of executing it like that.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah. I mean he does deserve credit for getting in this kinda shape at this age. Generally when you see old legends come back to the ring, the difference is noticable. But that wasn't the case here.

Bro DDP is 69. I don't think he should be getting in the ring. Plus he seems to be heavily involved in his DDP Yoga stuff si it's not like he needs the money. It shocks me to the core btw that he is 69 years old now. That's simply insane when you look at how good he looks. I think he was in his 40s when he won the WCW World Championship. He famously started in the business very late.
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Defo not right now but I meant during the RA era or late 2010’s, but man, he looks great for his age, DDP looks fitter then what Taker did during his twilight. He’s a smart guy though and did not fly too close to the sun & sort of became the George Foreman of Wrestling :yk3
 
shaz619 said:
I don’t mind it so much when exclusive to certain wrestlers; when Joe did it, made it feel like he was taking your soul, if every man and his kutha does it, then it loses its appeal. I completely see your view as well though; beating someone 1, 2 and 3, clean as a whistle down the middle, it doesn’t get bigger than that. But maybe that would be too much for Goldberg. Looking at it more now, the choke out would have more effect if Goldberg was tapping out desperately like a dog. In the WWE world, just passing out is seen as protecting the opponent, and over-used under H, it’s not that it’s terrible, H just doesn’t know how or when to do it right due to his small pea sized brain. The most famous double turn had that pass out finish! H couldn’t dream of executing it like that.
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Yeah I think it does work with certain wrestlers like Joe. Even Roman Reigns when he was a heel. But it has become too overused. Goddamn Moxley has won every match like this in the past year. It's come to a point where it just feels like a lazy finish most of the time.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah I think it does work with certain wrestlers like Joe. Even Roman Reigns when he was a heel. But it has become too overused. Goddamn Moxley has won every match like this in the past year. It's come to a point where it just feels like a lazy finish most of the time.
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Roman Reigns good spot, his set up was very psychological and story driven, it made sense whenever he went for it.

With Gunther, his finish is kind of vague, is it the power bomb, lariat or this choke-out? what are we trying to communicate.

🤡🤡🤡🤡/10
 
shaz619 said:
Defo not right now but I meant during the RA era or late 2010’s, but man, he looks great for his age, DDP looks fitter then what Taker did during his twilight. He’s a smart guy though and did not fly too close to the sun & sort of became the George Foreman of Wrestling :yk3
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TBH they killed him with that stalker gimmick. Awful idea and I think he lost trust in WWE after that. Alot of WCW guys were already pretty apprehensive coming onboard worrying about how they would be treated. S**t like this just reinforced that, even if it wasn't done deliberately
 
shaz619 said:
Biggest character assassination on live TV since the Booker T burial at WM 19
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This buffoon has taken qasam it seems like to sabotage everyone’s career whenever they are known to have more ability than him which means 99% of pro wrestlers dead or alive.

Hope triple bum gets dumped or we see a star cut a scathing promo on triple bum soon and burying him outside of the ring in corporate life. Gunther can do it if he wants to
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
TBH they killed him with that stalker gimmick. Awful idea and I think he lost trust in WWE after that. Alot of WCW guys were already pretty apprehensive coming onboard worrying about how they would be treated. S**t like this just reinforced that, even if it wasn't done deliberately
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Never understood why they gave DDP the stalker gimmick. He was married to Kimberly at that time, who was a beautiful woman. Why would he need to stalk Undertaker’s then wife Sara, who without sounding rude was ugly. It made no sense and it was a perfect example of a WCW star getting buried by Vince McMahon.
 
The_KING said:
Never understood why they gave DDP the stalker gimmick. He was married to Kimberly at that time, who was a beautiful woman. Why would he need to stalk Undertaker’s then wife Sara, who without sounding rude was ugly. It made no sense and it was a perfect example of a WCW star getting buried by Vince McMahon.
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From what I’ve gathered, Vince was more favourable towards the ECW/WCW and other promotional talent, the biggest problem we had was the timing of when the contracts expired, because they coincided with the reign of terror. If you look at how petty H is in general towards the other side of the fence to this day (see his comment about Youtube - where the big boys play when WCW archive footage was uploaded following the collapse of the network, how he treated WCW talent in general during the peak of his run with the WHC and many years later when he feuded with Sting), Vince had his grudges but there were more towards the booker, him getting to say both Heyman & Eric worked for him was enough, otherwise he was business, H has never been business from day one, it has always been about satisfying his fragile ego. So unfortunately, the environment wasn’t designed for WCW/ECW talent to succeed until many years later when H began to lose his influence following the rise of Cena & Batista, Sting was always spot on about not wanting to jump ship, but perhaps he should have gambled around 2007 I think he was likely to sign then but backed out.
 
Suleiman said:
This buffoon has taken qasam it seems like to sabotage everyone’s career whenever they are known to have more ability than him which means 99% of pro wrestlers dead or alive.

Hope triple bum gets dumped or we see a star cut a scathing promo on triple bum soon and burying him outside of the ring in corporate life. Gunther can do it if he wants to
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Sami Zayn had the balls to actually criticise him indirectly and his booking style, who recalls him saying he was more likely to win the WHC under Vince then H.

If H does pull the trigger, it will be too late and a lot colder.
 
shaz619 said:
Sami Zayn had the balls to actually criticise him indirectly and his booking style, who recalls him saying he was more likely to win the WHC under Vince then H.

If H does pull the trigger, it will be too late and a lot colder.
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Or how about when he got emotional talking about Elimination Chamber in Montreal at one of these scrums, and the reaction he got that night. And H just essentially went, 'okay now, simmer down now.'
 
shaz619 said:
From what I’ve gathered, Vince was more favourable towards the ECW/WCW and other promotional talent, the biggest problem we had was the timing of when the contracts expired, because they coincided with the reign of terror. If you look at how petty H is in general towards the other side of the fence to this day (see his comment about Youtube - where the big boys play when WCW archive footage was uploaded following the collapse of the network, how he treated WCW talent in general during the peak of his run with the WHC and many years later when he feuded with Sting), Vince had his grudges but there were more towards the booker, him getting to say both Heyman & Eric worked for him was enough, otherwise he was business, H has never been business from day one, it has always been about satisfying his fragile ego. So unfortunately, the environment wasn’t designed for WCW/ECW talent to succeed until many years later when H began to lose his influence following the rise of Cena & Batista, Sting was always spot on about not wanting to jump ship, but perhaps he should have gambled around 2007 I think he was likely to sign then but backed out.
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There is no doubt that Vince wanted to bury WCW as a promotion to remind everyone how he put his biggest competitor out of business. The whole idea behind the Invasion storyline was about that. Whether he wanted to bury DDP specifically is not something I'm sure of. Purely because I doubt Vince ever saw DDP even wrestle before he came to WWE. I think it may just have been a case of some dip$hit on the creative team coming up with it, and Vince thinking 'this is great $hit, pal.' At any rate, they shouldn't have done that to him. He was one of biggest stars in WCW who surprisingly managed to come out unscathed despite working with/under Hogan, Bischoff and Russo. But that stalker gimmick was so bad. Nobody could have made that work..
 
Btw, as far as Goldberg matches go, it simply doesn't get any better than DDP v Goldberg at Halloween Havoc. The gold standard of Goldberg matches. This guy got a nearly 20 min match out of Goldberg that not only made sense, but was also exciting to watch. And WCW fans didn't even get to see the end of the match because freakin' Hogan v Warrior ran overtime lol.

So yeah, WCW made sure that their fans got to see one of the worst wrestling matches of all-time between two over the hill has-beens, but not the finish of the main-event World title match.

And then people wonder why WCW went out of business...
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Btw, as far as Goldberg matches go, it simply doesn't get any better than DDP v Goldberg at Halloween Havoc. The gold standard of Goldberg matches. This guy got a nearly 20 min match out of Goldberg that not only made sense, but was also exciting to watch. And WCW fans didn't even get to see the end of the match because freakin' Hogan v Warrior ran overtime lol.

So yeah, WCW made sure that their fans got to see one of the worst wrestling matches of all-time between two over the hill has-beens, but not the finish of the main-event World title match.

And then people wonder why WCW went out of business...
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Oh yeah, and then they showed the full match the next night on Nitro for free. Giving a giant middle finger to all the fans who bought the PPV:afridi1
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You were right. I guess since Omega was 3-2 on H2H, they wanted to give Okada this win to set up a rematch. Which is fair enough. Might as well get something out of their most overhyped, overpaid, overpushed wrestler.

There was no way this match was ever going to compare to their previous matches, but I still enjoyed it alot. It was more deliberately paced. Omega has toned down his style because of the tuberculosis which is a blessing in disguise because now fans are getting to see what a great wrestler he is, without the flashiness that was not only very high-risk but has also taken a major toll on his body and shortened his career. As for Okada, he can still put on great matches when he is motivated. Like here. But the reality is that most of the time he is just there to pick up the paycheck.
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I think Kenny got diverticulitis not tuberculosis. Lol if he had gotten tb, he wouldn't really have gotten cleared to wrestle.
Brock had his battle with diverticulitis as well and even had to get part of his diseased intestine surgically removed.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It was an entertaining match but it was not a wrestling match. It worked because Austin is an incredible worker and excellent at the smoke and mirrors stuff. But you would be hard-pressed to find many bumps taken by him in that match. Ditto for Dwayne in that tag match.

In contrast, Goldberg went out there and had a proper wrestling match.
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Dwayne got Rock Bottomed on the table. Got speared by Roman, received cody cutter. I think he took enough bumps.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I think Kenny got diverticulitis not tuberculosis. Lol if he had gotten tb, he wouldn't really have gotten cleared to wrestle.
Brock had his battle with diverticulitis as well and even had to get part of his diseased intestine surgically removed.
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Hahahaha my bad bro. Funny thing is that I know what tuberculosis is but for some reason it's the first thing that came to my mind when I thought of his illness.

Brock had it really bad because he was still in UFC at that time. And I think that played a big part in ending his MMA career. I remember the fight he had with Alistair Overeem where Overeem was just mercilessly targeting his gut. It was hard to watch tbh. I think that was the last fight of his full-time career.
 
shaz619 said:
Roman Reigns good spot, his set up was very psychological and story driven, it made sense whenever he went for it.

With Gunther, his finish is kind of vague, is it the power bomb, lariat or this choke-out? what are we trying to communicate.

🤡🤡🤡🤡/10
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Actually it works with Gunther too, because stylistically he is in a similar vein to someone like Joe. But that doesn't mean he has to win every match like this. It about where it makes sense as a finish, and this wasn't that place.

I think it's mostly the powerbomb and the choke-out. But sometimes he beats lower-card guys with the lariat too.
 
I'll bet Triple H thought in his mind that giving Goldberg his retirement match would be a nice way to get in his good graces and get some good PR with the fans...especially considering his fraught relationship with Goldberg dating back to the 2000s. But seems like ol' Goldberg turned on him about as soon as he left that building. :wahab2

www.f4wonline.com

WWE News: Goldberg on WWE send-off: ‘I’m pissed off at the way I went out’

Goldberg has some complaints about his send-off at WWE Saturday Night’s Main Event.
www.f4wonline.com www.f4wonline.com

Now I'm actually wondering what he will say in two weeks lol
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I'll bet Triple H thought in his mind that giving Goldberg his retirement match would be a nice way to get in his good graces and get some good PR with the fans...especially considering his fraught relationship with Goldberg dating back to the 2000s. But seems like ol' Goldberg turned on him about as soon as he left that building. :wahab2

www.f4wonline.com

WWE News: Goldberg on WWE send-off: ‘I’m pissed off at the way I went out’

Goldberg has some complaints about his send-off at WWE Saturday Night’s Main Event.
www.f4wonline.com www.f4wonline.com

Now I'm actually wondering what he will say in two weeks lol
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Gorg has also said WWE wouldn't do that to Cena or Taker. Said I wanted a speech and they cut it off. I've had WHC championship matches all my career. The speech would've made it different. Also said WWE ain't messing with the whole retirement tour of Cena.
Man, Gorg's a biaaach :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Actually it works with Gunther too, because stylistically he is in a similar vein to someone like Joe. But that doesn't mean he has to win every match like this. It about where it makes sense as a finish, and this wasn't that place.

I think it's mostly the powerbomb and the choke-out. But sometimes he beats lower-card guys with the lariat too.
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And splash as well.
Joe had an altogether different intensity to Gunther. And that was his only way of winning since his muscle buster was banned at the main roster. Regardless of how good Gunther becomes, he won't have the intensity that Joe could show just due to how he worked.
 
Some people online seem to be speculating that Rollins' injury is not that serious and they are working the fans to make the cash-in a surprise.
 
Top to bottom Evolution was one of the best shows WWE has done this year, every match was excellent & served its purpose on the card, the battle royal could have been a bit more interesting like the one in 2018 though :asadrauf

Great opener, the tag was excellent to and the crowd was responding well to the GOAT after the thickos finally caught on to how we all agreed how petty Tiffy was towards Charlotte who explained the situation in more detail recently, I thought Trish looked phenomenal in the ring and has done so each time she has returned and Rhea / Iyo were having their best match until the finish.
 
Also, has WWE started to pipe crowd noise in again ? I am not sure, if they are it’s done so well, but I might have just noticed it I don’t know, not a fan of synthetic audio in anything really
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Some people online seem to be speculating that Rollins' injury is not that serious and they are working the fans to make the cash-in a surprise.
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It would be pretty dumb to have done the injury for that purpose only if am honest, not really working into an angle either and seems rather silly imo Because whenever a MITB cash-in is done, it’s a surprise regardless. So am not sure if this is true, then again, H is constantly feuding with online smarks.
 
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