The Wrestling Discussion Thread

[shaz619]

This card looks far better than what we actually got. Punk winning the World title against Gunther would have been epic. It's a shame they went the other route. Gave Jey Uso a largely pointless World title reign and unnecessarily buried Gunther in the process. And as good as the three-way was, an unfortunate by-product of that match was the Rollins faction, which has largely been a flop. Also would have loved the US title and IC title Ladder matches because multi-man ladder matches used to be such an iconic staple of WrestleMania that I used to love.

WWE News: Steve Austin’s original role for WWE WrestleMania 41 detailed

According to scenes in WWE Unreal, WWE wanted Steve Austin to play a larger role at WrestleMania 41.

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It’s like this SS card is what WM should have been, it may be a success this event, but it should still be another trademark of H & him striking when the iron is cold; we should call this piece of genius booking of H the abdominal stretch because we’ve seen it too many times and for too long.

 

[shaz619]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949985847039656288

This will get to any wrestling fan by the end, what a video, much better then the terrible narration by H last week. Teared up unexpectedly, and that might just be because Hogan was pro-wrestling incarnate.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It’s like this SS card is what WM should have been, it may be a success this event, but it should still be another trademark of H & him striking when the iron is cold; we should call this piece of genius booking of H the abdominal stretch because we’ve seen it too many times and for too long.

Yeah and this is like four months on. Imagine Punk v Gunther with the same build they gave Gunther v Jey, rather than the 2 week build we have gotten. It's like every chance he gets, he makes sure to choose the least exciting option. Even here at SummerSlam he had the opportunity to give us Bron v Roman, which could have been a good substitute for Roman v Seth. But nah, let's just give the fans a RAW main-event tag team match instead.

And as happy as I was for Punk main-eventing Mania, him winning the belt in the main-event would have just been an incredible moment that would have helped take the heat off the Night 2 main-event.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah and this is like four months on. Imagine Punk v Gunther with the same build they gave Gunther v Jey, rather than the 2 week build we have gotten. It's like every chance he gets, he makes sure to choose the least exciting option. Even here at SummerSlam he had the opportunity to give us Bron v Roman, which could have been a good substitute for Roman v Seth. But nah, let's just give the fans a RAW main-event tag team match instead.

And as happy as I was for Punk main-eventing Mania, him winning the belt in the main-event would have just been an incredible moment that would have helped take the heat off the Night 2 main-event.

If Punk does win here, Seth will cash-in predictably. All H’s creative resources in the past 6 months have invested in Becky v Lyra and we getting this again at SS, this is the new Sri Lanka vs Bangladesh.

Am not a fan of the 2 night events, just a cash grab and a big faff if you are a tourist. What’s so difficult about booking a strong one night PLE/PPV? I don’t want it to be 6 hours, but it’s a bit much to be honest, they can get away with WM, but I don’t want to see it beyond that imo

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If Punk does win here, Seth will cash-in predictably. All H’s creative resources in the past 6 months have invested in Becky v Lyra and we getting this again at SS, this is the new Sri Lanka vs Bangladesh.

Am not a fan of the 2 night events, just a cash grab and a big faff if you are a tourist. What’s so difficult about booking a strong one night PLE/PPV? I don’t want it to be 6 hours, but it’s a bit much to be honest, they can get away with WM, but I don’t want to see it beyond that imo

It's just complete case of conning the fans. When they do a one night it's 5 matches, 3 of which are you could see on any episode of RAW.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@shaz619 One episode in to WWE UNREAL and the one thing that comes to my mind is that you have to see it.

So much content about your favorite 4/10 that's just begging to be roasted on an open fire

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

One thing I will say though is that it touches on the history between Punk and H by offering unfiltered takes from both guys.

I almost believe that they are on good terms now, even if they still don't like each other deep down

 

[shaz619]

@shaz619 One episode in to WWE UNREAL and the one thing that comes to my mind is that you have to see it.

So much content about your favorite 4/10 that's just begging to be roasted on an open fire

Bro I am just half an hour into it, this piece of crap man, everything wrong about the product is all his fault, he admits to his soulless booking style quiet literally, and what an attention whore with the ‘can I get a pic to break the internet’, the first 15 mins it’s just him big-ging himself up with the help of all his yes men. And what I’ve ben saying for years is quiet true, CM Punk is in the WWE mainly due to TKO/Netflix & Nick Khan, when Punk reached out while he was still with AEW, it wasn’t Vince who low balled him, it was H, and Vince took the hit; H literally exposed himself here by saying he did not believe Punk had changed, I wouldn’t fall for the way their on-screen relationship is these days, it’s more a matter off H being forced to work with the bigger star/asset, Punk has matured but H is only reciprocating because stunting Punk’s presentation is too above his own pay grade. If I kept a notepad with me, I am sure there’s a lot more which I’d point out about 4/10, but to sum up the first half, this is my favourite bit:

‘Rhea & Liv have been feuding for 3 years.’

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bro I am just half an hour into it, this piece of crap man, everything wrong about the product is all his fault, he admits to his soulless booking style quiet literally, and what an attention whore with the ‘can I get a pic to break the internet’, the first 15 mins it’s just him big-ging himself up with the help of all his yes men. And what I’ve ben saying for years is quiet true, CM Punk is in the WWE mainly due to TKO/Netflix & Nick Khan, when Punk reached out while he was still with AEW, it wasn’t Vince who low balled him, it was H, and Vince took the hit; H literally exposed himself here by saying he did not believe Punk had changed, I wouldn’t fall for the way their on-screen relationship is these days, it’s more a matter off H being forced to work with the bigger star/asset, Punk has matured but H is only reciprocating because stunting Punk’s presentation is too above his own pay grade. If I kept a notepad with me, I am sure there’s a lot more which I’d point out about 4/10, but to sum up the first half, this is my favourite bit:

‘Rhea & Liv have been feuding for 3 years.’

I had no idea he was talking about when he was in AEW and came to RAW once. That's literally like 2 years ago. I was under the impression that their relationship had improved when Punk was supposed to make a return back in 2019. That's interesting. Yeah in that case I completely agree with you. At the same time, I am really impressed to see how much Punk has matured over the years. He has achieved everything there is to achieve (which may why there is no real cause for friction)and just seems content and happy. And its surprising how genuine he comes off in a show where alot of people like H come off as really fake.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bro I am just half an hour into it, this piece of crap man, everything wrong about the product is all his fault, he admits to his soulless booking style quiet literally, and what an attention whore with the ‘can I get a pic to break the internet’, the first 15 mins it’s just him big-ging himself up with the help of all his yes men. And what I’ve ben saying for years is quiet true, CM Punk is in the WWE mainly due to TKO/Netflix & Nick Khan, when Punk reached out while he was still with AEW, it wasn’t Vince who low balled him, it was H, and Vince took the hit; H literally exposed himself here by saying he did not believe Punk had changed, I wouldn’t fall for the way their on-screen relationship is these days, it’s more a matter off H being forced to work with the bigger star/asset, Punk has matured but H is only reciprocating because stunting Punk’s presentation is too above his own pay grade. If I kept a notepad with me, I am sure there’s a lot more which I’d point out about 4/10, but to sum up the first half, this is my favourite bit:

‘Rhea & Liv have been feuding for 3 years.’

Also already love the review eventhough you're half an hour into. Hope there is more to come.

 

[shaz619]

Also already love the review eventhough you're half an hour into. Hope there is more to come.

4/10 don’t even know there are extras on a show he is booking, too interested in getting pica taken for the internet

H really tried to give a big star like Cena a pep talk & got embarrassed, John really got him there, are you really insinuating that Cena shouldn’t mess up? Like what the hell have you done in this business that remotely compares to 1% of Cena’s legendary run?

It’s an interesting watch but H is doing more damage to this sport then Kenny Omega ever did with his blow-up dolls, at least the latter concedes that should never have happened, H is still the same piece of sh!t he was in the 90’s & 2000’s, as he is today. Do we really need to know the ins & outs of how matches are produced and what they get up to in Gorilla ? He’s so petty and am sure he would go this low to antagonise his father-in-law.

There were parts of this which I did like, and this could be an engaging watch without breaking kayfabe in a way which has never been done before. Isn’t it great to see how involved ex-TNA stars are with their production ? Abyss is just fantastic, thank God he let the Netflix main-event go on as long as it did because that was special, and good on Regal for giving him support, Prichard can go fish himself, and let that be the biggest fish out there.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

4/10 don’t even know there are extras on a show he is booking, too interested in getting pica taken for the internet

H really tried to give a big star like Cena a pep talk & got embarrassed, John really got him there, are you really insinuating that Cena shouldn’t mess up? Like what the hell have you done in this business that remotely compares to 1% of Cena’s legendary run?

It’s an interesting watch but H is doing more damage to this sport then Kenny Omega ever did with his blow-up dolls, at least the latter concedes that should never have happened, H is still the same piece of sh!t he was in the 90’s & 2000’s, as he is today. Do we really need to know the ins & outs of how matches are produced and what they get up to in Gorilla ? He’s so petty and am sure he would go this low to antagonise his father-in-law.

There were parts of this which I did like, and this could be an engaging watch without breaking kayfabe in a way which has never been done before. Isn’t it great to see how involved ex-TNA stars are with their production ? Abyss is just fantastic, thank God he let the Netflix main-event go on as long as it did because that was special, and good on Regal for giving him support, Prichard can go fish himself, and let that be the biggest fish out there.

It really feels like H goes out of the way here to expose the business everytime he is on camera. The 5 minute primer on the gorilla position is just one example. There are others like Punk, who still manage to be compelling without completely breaking kayfabe. But with H it feels like he wants to make a point. Maybe the same one he wanted to make with the curtain call. For someone who claims to be "the game", a student of wrestling who has supposedly studied it, can you really take a bigger $hit on the business than this. Like we all know kayfabe is dead, but you don't have to pi$$ on its grave.

Abyss was fantastic. He seems like such a genuinely nice guy, and someone who is clearly cut out for this line of work. Punk v Rollins was easily the best thing on that show and it wouldn't have delivered without those two having that time to tell the story properly. Bruce making patronizing/passive aggressive comments just pissed me off. But I really liked how Regal stepped in and acted like the voice of reason there. What a consummate pro and someone WWE are lucky to have.

 

[shaz619]

I had no idea he was talking about when he was in AEW and came to RAW once. That's literally like 2 years ago. I was under the impression that their relationship had improved when Punk was supposed to make a return back in 2019. That's interesting. Yeah in that case I completely agree with you. At the same time, I am really impressed to see how much Punk has matured over the years. He has achieved everything there is to achieve (which may why there is no real cause for friction)and just seems content and happy. And its surprising how genuine he comes off in a show where alot of people like H come off as really fake.

Whether it was when Punk joined Fox or that time when he approached H in through the Mizz in the parking lot which I seem to feel he was referring to, the roadblock each time has been H, it just doesn’t make sense to me that Vince would have low balled him, he made $$$ with Punk and would have seriously considered the prospect of his return. Just think how H vetoed Chyna for so many years, he has never been a professional even in a suit.

Punk was a changed man when he returned to wrestling, it was AEW who bought out his worst and even then he did his best to remain focussed on the business. All the interviews Punk had done before his big comeback, during his run in AEW & later when he was back in WWE indicate to me how desperate he was to be a mentor for the current stars of today, he had that itch to wrestle and needed to get back in the ring, there’s also a book he read I can’t recall the name but it essentially highlights how despite having differences in the pro-wrestling world you can still work together to achieve common goals by settling old beefs, that played a big part in his change in mindset and it made him reach out to all those he had problems with and this was when he wasn’t even contracted as a WWE worker, his transformation is honestly genuine, sure all the top stars will have some ego and attitude, but he lets that go when the bell rings opposed to backstage.

 

[shaz619]

It really feels like H goes out of the way here to expose the business everytime he is on camera. The 5 minute primer on the gorilla position is just one example. There are others like Punk, who still manage to be compelling without completely breaking kayfabe. But with H it feels like he wants to make a point. Maybe the same one he wanted to make with the curtain call. For someone who claims to be "the game", a student of wrestling who has supposedly studied it, can you really take a bigger $hit on the business than this. Like we all know kayfabe is dead, but you don't have to pi$$ on its grave.

Abyss was fantastic. He seems like such a genuinely nice guy, and someone who is clearly cut out for this line of work. Punk v Rollins was easily the best thing on that show and it wouldn't have delivered without those two having that time to tell the story properly. Bruce making patronizing/passive aggressive comments just pissed me off. But I really liked how Regal stepped in and acted like the voice of reason there. What a consummate pro and someone WWE are lucky to have.

I think Bull Ray summed up my feelings best & he has a working relationship with the WWE, the fact that he went out of his way to say what he did says it all, H is prostituting the business in the same way he weasel’d his way to the top, I’ve never known a more insecure and pathetic individual in wrestling, unlike Hogan and others who actually meant something, I don’t care if H somehow ends the war in the middle east, he will never get a eulogy from me. His entire gimmick is full of fakery and it’s a god damn shame that Owen Hart passed away because the game persona was meant for him.

Man Prichard can drop dead seriously, what a piece or crap, isn’t it ironic, that the two biggest turds in the WWE are seated right next to each other. Every single WWE match that doesn’t feel manufactured generally is produced by Abyss, and the way those suits shout in their ears makes me wonder how much of the matches we see can be truly attributed to the performers choices unless they have influence.

Punk killed if honestly, that was a special match, I raved about it then and I will do even now 6 months later, it’s possible this match may end up being his most memorable, potentially more then the WM main-event, there’s only ever going to be one debut show on Netflix and he delivered massively, that was Rollins best match in like forever to.

 

[Suleiman]

Cena standing up to H telling him you can’t mess up a 500 page book on 499th page, lol all this footage does is make h look incompetent. Imagine having the gall to tell Cena that- he’s done more from 2003-2006 for wrestling than H in his entire career- let alone Cena’s entire career

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Looking at the clips of Cena's heel turn and Trips taking all the credit for it, can't help but feel that the whole debacle that was afterwards till that Mania mainevent, all the blame goes to Trips as well. @RedwoodOriginal
He's saying he was the one who came up with the heel turn. And everyone was burying Rock for forcing himself in that angle never to be heard from again.
Dwayne on the other hand has maintained that he never wanted anything to do with Mania mainevent this year and wanted all the spotlight on Cena.
How big of a jackass does all of this make Trips look here.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

And Dwayne actually wanted to be involved in an angle with Kevin Owens instead of Cena.

 

[shaz619]

Cena standing up to H telling him you can’t mess up a 500 page book on 499th page, lol all this footage does is make h look incompetent. Imagine having the gall to tell Cena that- he’s done more from 2003-2006 for wrestling than H in his entire career- let alone Cena’s entire career

That was the bit that really got me mad, like the audacity, he is proving everything we’ve ever said about him and more.

Also, isn’t it interesting there is no coloured member in his team, both lower level staff & senior…….Nick Khan was bought in by Vince, that was a masterstroke of a hiring for the company.

 

[shaz619]

One thing I will give this guy is that when it comes to getting his own name out there, he is one of the most creative attention seekers of all time:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950643418528465386

He will always find new ways to make everything about himself, he’s a visionary when it comes to being a narcissist.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Looking at the clips of Cena's heel turn and Trips taking all the credit for it, can't help but feel that the whole debacle that was afterwards till that Mania mainevent, all the blame goes to Trips as well. @RedwoodOriginal
He's saying he was the one who came up with the heel turn. And everyone was burying Rock for forcing himself in that angle never to be heard from again.
Dwayne on the other hand has maintained that he never wanted anything to do with Mania mainevent this year and wanted all the spotlight on Cena.
How big of a jackass does all of this make Trips look here.

Haven't seen this ep yet.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Whether it was when Punk joined Fox or that time when he approached H in through the Mizz in the parking lot which I seem to feel he was referring to, the roadblock each time has been H, it just doesn’t make sense to me that Vince would have low balled him, he made $$$ with Punk and would have seriously considered the prospect of his return. Just think how H vetoed Chyna for so many years, he has never been a professional even in a suit.

Punk was a changed man when he returned to wrestling, it was AEW who bought out his worst and even then he did his best to remain focussed on the business. All the interviews Punk had done before his big comeback, during his run in AEW & later when he was back in WWE indicate to me how desperate he was to be a mentor for the current stars of today, he had that itch to wrestle and needed to get back in the ring, there’s also a book he read I can’t recall the name but it essentially highlights how despite having differences in the pro-wrestling world you can still work together to achieve common goals by settling old beefs, that played a big part in his change in mindset and it made him reach out to all those he had problems with and this was when he wasn’t even contracted as a WWE worker, his transformation is honestly genuine, sure all the top stars will have some ego and attitude, but he lets that go when the bell rings opposed to backstage.

Great post. I think one thing I find different now is that H actually has less freedom than he did under Vince. H used Vince as a shield for his own selfish actions. And this goes back to his Reign of Terror days. He'd bury guys to Vince and then when people would ask why he buried them, he'd say it's Vince's company, he can do whatever he wants. But now that Vince is gone there is more scrutiny on him than ever before. He can't hide behind anyone and is beholden to the TKO brass and Nick Khan whether he wants to admit it or not. In such a position, he actually has less influence and less power to do the conniving stuff he could do back then which greatly explains how Punk has been allowed to operate with so much creative freedom.... how The Rock has come in and consistently hijacked the show from him, or how idiots like Travis Scott have been allowed to come in where they clearly didn't belong.

Most of all, this show feels like an attempt by him to establish himself as the public face of WWE after all the various ways in which he has been made to look like a fool in the past 2 years, by people who have more power than him.

 

[The_KING]

Triple H is ruining WWE

 

[shaz619]

Great post. I think one thing I find different now is that H actually has less freedom than he did under Vince. H used Vince as a shield for his own selfish actions. And this goes back to his Reign of Terror days. He'd bury guys to Vince and then when people would ask why he buried them, he'd say it's Vince's company, he can do whatever he wants. But now that Vince is gone there is more scrutiny on him than ever before. He can't hide behind anyone and is beholden to the TKO brass and Nick Khan whether he wants to admit it or not. In such a position, he actually has less influence and less power to do the conniving stuff he could do back then which greatly explains how Punk has been allowed to operate with so much creative freedom.... how The Rock has come in and consistently hijacked the show from him, or how idiots like Travis Scott have been allowed to come in where they clearly didn't belong.

Most of all, this show feels like an attempt by him to establish himself as the public face of WWE after all the various ways in which he has been made to look like a fool in the past 2 years, by people who have more power than him.

That may explain the increasing frustration with H on social media in general. I’ve only seen episode one but I will say that H is a million times more responsible for The Rock & Travis, again we discussed this then, but when you’re dealing with influential personalties, you need to pipe down and massage their ego’s a bit, from the way he speaks to the likes of Cena, The Rock & others just reinforces his deep insecurities, if he didn’t have such a massive personality defect maybe he would have been more effective in this business, he’s like those petty Pakistani uncles who get off on a bit of silly point scoring. If you are the people person and this great negotiator that you say you are, prove it when it matters most, when you truly need to manage larger then life character's; you need to balance what they want with what’s best for the show, but because he has such an inferior complex, he can’t be a professional. He deserves to get buried badly by JC who is probably too PG with him because he is smart enough not to burn all bridges. This guy jeopardised Wrestlemania due to some petty squabble he had with a star much bigger then he can ever dream off, should have been sacked on the spot, the same way TK should have fired all the idiots who meddled in the affairs of his biggest asset.

 

[shaz619]

When did Meltzer start talking sense these days ? @RedwoodOriginal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950872485575942456

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

When did Meltzer start talking sense these days ? @RedwoodOriginal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950872485575942456

Meltzer gets it right once in a while. But I find it funny that I said this literally today and now people are reporting it too. Because it's so obvious. He's all over the damn show.

 

[Suleiman]

When did Meltzer start talking sense these days ? @RedwoodOriginal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950872485575942456

Sooner tko dump out this egomaniac the better. Never seen such a talentless individual go so far in an industry before by playing tricks alone

Really think he reached too far this series because all he did was expose this incompetency.

Dana seems in control in the UFC show that used to run, even tho he’s a cheap ******* pay wise. But h is definitely not respected like Dana lol

 

[sweep_shot]

Sooner tko dump out this egomaniac the better. Never seen such a talentless individual go so far in an industry before by playing tricks alone

If HHH didn't marry boss's daughter, he might have been a midcarder or even a jobber.

He was a midcarder before he started to date Stephanie.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think Bull Ray summed up my feelings best & he has a working relationship with the WWE, the fact that he went out of his way to say what he did says it all, H is prostituting the business in the same way he weasel’d his way to the top, I’ve never known a more insecure and pathetic individual in wrestling, unlike Hogan and others who actually meant something, I don’t care if H somehow ends the war in the middle east, he will never get a eulogy from me. His entire gimmick is full of fakery and it’s a god damn shame that Owen Hart passed away because the game persona was meant for him.

Man Prichard can drop dead seriously, what a piece or crap, isn’t it ironic, that the two biggest turds in the WWE are seated right next to each other. Every single WWE match that doesn’t feel manufactured generally is produced by Abyss, and the way those suits shout in their ears makes me wonder how much of the matches we see can be truly attributed to the performers choices unless they have influence.

Punk killed if honestly, that was a special match, I raved about it then and I will do even now 6 months later, it’s possible this match may end up being his most memorable, potentially more then the WM main-event, there’s only ever going to be one debut show on Netflix and he delivered massively, that was Rollins best match in like forever to.

Bit of a sidebar, but speaking of Bully/Bubba Ray, I'm not sure if you remember, but back in 2002–03, right after they handed Triple H the big gold belt, Bubba was actually in line for a singles push. For a brief period on RAW, they started presenting him more seriously as one of the top babyfaces. He was reportedly set to feud with Triple H, but apparently, on one episode of RAW, he put H through a table a little harder than he should have. Triple H supposedly went to Vince, called him unsafe in the ring, and just like that, Bubba's push was dead. Now, I’m not saying Bubba was blameless---he has his own reputation, and plenty of wrestlers have called him out for being a ***** back in the day---but to completely derail someone’s career over a stiff spot feels excessive. Needless to say, he was never the same in WWE after that.

As someone online rightly said, Bruce Prichard wouldn’t know a good match if it hit him in the head with a steel chair. I’ve never liked the guy, and this whole interaction just reinforces that. Dinosaurs like him need to be put out to pasture. It baffles me that he’s still around while Brock is supposedly persona non grata. At least Brock actually has something to offer. What does Prichard bring to the table? And honestly, it’s hard to believe he didn’t know exactly what was going on with Vince and Laurinaitis, considering how loyal he’s always been to Vince.

The match was fantastic, easily one of the best of the year. Which just makes it more frustrating knowing how much better it could have been if they hadn’t been rushed and been allowed to do the match as it was planned. They went overtime not because of the wrestlers or Abyss, but because they spent time on that show showing random celebrity crowd shots, and because The Rock wouldn't shut up when he came out to glaze the Netflix execs. Why not cut any of that $hit? Why cut time from the main event, the match you built the whole show around?

This kind of idiotic decision-making is what drives me nuts about WWE sometimes. Say what you will about Tony Khan, but if he were in the same position, you can bet the full match would’ve happened exactly as planned, come hell or high water.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Sooner tko dump out this egomaniac the better. Never seen such a talentless individual go so far in an industry before by playing tricks alone

Really think he reached too far this series because all he did was expose this incompetency.

Dana seems in control in the UFC show that used to run, even tho he’s a cheap ******* pay wise. But h is definitely not respected like Dana lol

Dana White has a lot to do with where the UFC is today too. For quite some time after its inception, UFC it was seen as a dangerous and barbaric sport, Dana, along with Lorenzo Fertitta and Marc Ratner, worked to get it sanctioned by athletic commissions across the U.S. and secured a TV deal with Spike, which was a game-changer. What has Triple H done, really, besides marrying the boss’s daughter and politicking his way to the top?

The one thing he did have some hand in building: the black-and-gold era of NXT, was completely dismantled by Vince. The current NXT product doesn't resemble what H created in any way. It’s an entirely different show now.

 

[sweep_shot]

Have you ever done wrestling at home?

I remember I used to wrestle with my brother WWE-style when we were young. I also used to wrestle with my cousin at home. I used to give Batista's spinebuster to him.

 

[The_KING]

Have you ever done wrestling at home?

I remember I used to wrestle with my brother WWE-style when we were young. I also used to wrestle with my cousin at home. I used to give Batista's spinebuster and Undertaker's Last Ride to him.

I used to wrestle my little cousin when we were kids.

I also remember giving my little sister a German suplex, which made her cry.

 

[sweep_shot]

I used to wrestle my little cousin when we were kids.

I also remember giving my little sister a German suplex, which made her cry.

LOL! You should've given her Ric Flair's figure four leglock.

I would love to wrestle at home even now but nobody is available.

 

[The_KING]

If HHH didn't marry boss's daughter, he might have been a midcarder or even a jobber.

He was a midcarder before he started to date Stephanie.

I don't agree. Triple H was always an ass kisser. Early in his WWF career, he aligned himself with Shawn Michaels, Diesel, Razor Ramon (top WWF guys of that time), not to mention he kissed the boss's backside without ever officially joining the "Vince McMahon kiss my ass club", so he was always going to find a way to be a top star. Vince also had a thing for big, muscular, tall guys.

But would Triple H have stayed at the top for so long, or would he ever have become the head of creative without marrying Stephanie? Absolutely not. Triple H knew how to play the game (pun intended).

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

One thing this WWE Unreal show does is give alot of insight into what the writers and producers do.

Some guys like Ryan Ward, Abyss, or William Regal come off well. Others like that Ed Koskey guy come off as a mega Triple H stooges.

This show also gives you an idea of how much Michael Hayes loves that old school main-event rasslin' finish with the ref bump and the bells and whistles.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@shaz619 I'd love to hear your thoughts on ep 2 of this show. I think it offers alot of coded info into how Triple H actually thinks about certain wrestlers, eventho publicly he may say something different.

First off, his opening monologue in this ep is so hilarious that I'm sure you will burst out laughing.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Dana White has a lot to do with where the UFC is today too. For quite some time after its inception, UFC it was seen as a dangerous and barbaric sport, Dana, along with Lorenzo Fertitta and Marc Ratner, worked to get it sanctioned by athletic commissions across the U.S. and secured a TV deal with Spike, which was a game-changer. What has Triple H done, really, besides marrying the boss’s daughter and politicking his way to the top?

The one thing he did have some hand in building: the black-and-gold era of NXT, was completely dismantled by Vince. The current NXT product doesn't resemble what H created in any way. It’s an entirely different show now.

At this point, I don't think Black and Gold NXT was his thing. Someone else might have booked all the storylines and he probably just took all the credit. He is now saying he's the one who came up with inserting Travis Scott in that legendary heel turn.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

At this point, I don't think Black and Gold NXT was his thing. Someone else might have booked all the storylines and he probably just took all the credit. He is now saying he's the one who came up with inserting Travis Scott in that legendary heel turn.

I was reading recently that the only reason Travis Scott was in that position was because TKO CEO Ari Emanuel owed him a favor. That makes much more sense that H putting him there. I think H is lying.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@shaz619 @RedwoodOriginal @BunnyRabbit

Nice to see H admit he was wrong for once

 

[Suleiman]

Punk is polarizing because he speaks what seems true and authentic to him with 100% conviction.

H is polarizing because he is fake trying to hide his ulterior self serving motives.

This is why punk was able to self reflect and mature and h is still the same guy from mid 90s- immature and doing a whole series about his decision making because he misses the spotlight

I really wish this series wasn’t made because it killed the last real kayfabe left of wrestling in this age of social media where wrestlers already give interviews out of character… unnecessary

 

[Suleiman]

Punk is polarizing because he speaks what seems true and authentic to him with 100% conviction.

H is polarizing because he is fake trying to hide his ulterior self serving motives.

This is why punk was able to self reflect and mature and h is still the same guy from mid 90s- immature and doing a whole series about his decision making because he misses the spotlight

I really wish this series wasn’t made because it killed the last real kayfabe left of wrestling in this age of social media where wrestlers already give interviews out of character… unnecessary

Thought I was alone feeling the way I do in the last paragraph but YouTube comments echoing the same…

Feels like this series has killed the ambience and mystique of pro wrestling, the cinema and theatrics of it…

If wrestling was supposed to end tomorrow then I understand a documentary series like this… but that’s not the case.

Imagine before you watch a horror movie, you watch an entire multiple ep documentary series of the behind the scenes with the actual scary scenes having the camera guy zooming around the set, and props, and the guy who will be the main villain wearing the mask wearing half his costume backstage while eating chips… when you watch the movie for real it’s just not gonna be the same.

I told yall months ago, Cena’s gimmick of I will ruin wrestling is something H been doing his whole career, and now doing it outside the ring

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I was reading recently that the only reason Travis Scott was in that position was because TKO CEO Ari Emanuel owed him a favor. That makes much more sense that H putting him there. I think H is lying.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949968114369671314

while here is saying the whole heel turn was his idea.

 

[shaz619]

At this point, I don't think Black and Gold NXT was his thing. Someone else might have booked all the storylines and he probably just took all the credit. He is now saying he's the one who came up with inserting Travis Scott in that legendary heel turn.

He wasn’t responsible for the Black & Gold era either, @RedwoodOriginal just showed all the names who sailed that ship. I always went out to bat for Ryan Ward & Regal who never got the credit they deserved during that period.

 

[shaz619]

@shaz619 I'd love to hear your thoughts on ep 2 of this show. I think it offers alot of coded info into how Triple H actually thinks about certain wrestlers, eventho publicly he may say something different.

First off, his opening monologue in this ep is so hilarious that I'm sure you will burst out laughing.

Bro I don’t know if I completely zoned out or if there wasn’t as much H in this episode?

iShow Speed seems to be the only ‘talent’ that is selling even on a program such as this

That ladder match between Cody & KO was as physical as it looked, I am surprised they let them do that kind of match during WM season. Who hasn’t KO helped make? There are so many guys who deserved a run with the world title from the past 5 years or so.

They had to go down the Jey Uso route & that’s fine with him being a fresh face, and he had the momentum, I appreciate the sentiment backstage and it was clearly a big deal for the samoan dynasty, however, Gunther should not have tapped out (I’ve been avoiding spoilers but I’ve been secretly hoping for the interactions between H & Gunther during the WM season), and also, does it seem like they are moving on from Jey? If they are, it’s diabolical giving him a push in the first place when they robbed Punk off a huge moment at the RR.

Cody seems so comfortable in his role as the face of the company, he always wanted this and it’s like second nature, the fans have always been behind him in the WWE even at his lowest.

 

[shaz619]

One thing this WWE Unreal show does is give alot of insight into what the writers and producers do.

Some guys like Ryan Ward, Abyss, or William Regal come off well. Others like that Ed Koskey guy come off as a mega Triple H stooges.

This show also gives you an idea of how much Michael Hayes loves that old school main-event rasslin' finish with the ref bump and the bells and whistles.

Without those names, H wouldn’t have a job in the booking world, it’s no coincidence that he bought that same team with him to the main roster, those guys fight a battle every day trying not to go through with the least creative directives.

If it wasn’t for Michael Hayes, I think WWE would be extremely dull right now, the product isn’t perfect, but H creatively is always in cruise control mode; imagine having a 5 year plan in the booking world, I don’t think TK books this far out and he does coke as well. Maybe Hayes takes it a bit far, but I think it’s a necessary evil to make up for the dull programming (H was a big Freebirds fan and definitely their confederate era so Hayes has some leeway), not everyone is a fan of Jey, but I don’t despise Hayes for having the right instincts, maybe he should be running creative, seriously, anyone but H….

On Ed Koskey, is he that SVP for creative? Brooooooo, I’ve had the same thought honestly, if there was a white dude out there with the look of pure evil, that’s your guy right there, like seriously, he looks like a satanist who drinks children’s blood or something, why do weirdo’s like this always get to sit so high at the table? It’s a trend in the corporate world.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Punk is polarizing because he speaks what seems true and authentic to him with 100% conviction.

H is polarizing because he is fake trying to hide his ulterior self serving motives.

This is why punk was able to self reflect and mature and h is still the same guy from mid 90s- immature and doing a whole series about his decision making because he misses the spotlight

I really wish this series wasn’t made because it killed the last real kayfabe left of wrestling in this age of social media where wrestlers already give interviews out of character… unnecessary

Couldn't agree more. Everybody knows kayfabe is dead but this show takes exposing the business to a whole new level. Like, I don't think fans needed to know what goes on in the back between the producer and the referee. Or even what goes on in the writer's room. It's very unnecessary. Triple H is basically using this show to project himself under the guise of 'oh, it's the WWE-version of Drive to Survive.' Which makes zero sense. F1 is not scripted lol.

 

[Suleiman]

Bet Vince wishes he didn’t do all that freaky ahh nonsense outside of work if allegations are true, now he has to sit on the sideline and watch his goofy son in law as Punk called him in that promo years back iirc run decades of hard work from his grandad, dad and himself of literally carving out a whole new business and industry into the ground because he’s an egomaniac starved for attention so will throw the whole business under the bus to stay relevant releasing shows like this exposing it.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He wasn’t responsible for the Black & Gold era either, @RedwoodOriginal just showed all the names who sailed that ship. I always went out to bat for Ryan Ward & Regal who never got the credit they deserved during that period.

At this point, I don't think Black and Gold NXT was his thing. Someone else might have booked all the storylines and he probably just took all the credit. He is now saying he's the one who came up with inserting Travis Scott in that legendary heel turn.

I would argue that he still had a big hand in defining the vision of the show, and he does deserve credit for that. He was the one running the show and all those people were working on his directives.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Krishna picking up where he left off.

Getting wacked like a piñata.

 

[The_KING]

Bet Vince wishes he didn’t do all that freaky ahh nonsense outside of work if allegations are true, now he has to sit on the sideline and watch his goofy son in law as Punk called him in that promo years back iirc run decades of hard work from his grandad, dad and himself of literally carving out a whole new business and industry into the ground because he’s an egomaniac starved for attention so will throw the whole business under the bus to stay relevant releasing shows like this exposing it.

I bet Vince wishes that he didn't allow his daughter to start a relationship with Triple H. It was so unprofessional to allow a talent to date your daughter.

And I don't understand what Stephanie saw in Triple H. She is a beautiful woman, while Triple H is ugly. What did she see in him?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Krishna picking up where he left off.

Getting wacked like a piñata.

@Mods @The Bald Eagle delete. posted in wrong thread by mistake

 

[shaz619]

I would argue that he still had a big hand in defining the vision of the show, and he does deserve credit for that. He was the one running the show and all those people were working on his directives.

It was more them then him, otherwise he’d do as well on the main roster where his role has changed and he can’t entirely hide behind those guys and has to show the likes of Heyman, Prichard and Hayes that he is calling the shots. In NXT, it got to a point where good ol Dave recgonised what was happening and awarded Ryan Ward booker of the year for one of the years or at least he was a co-winner I think. Also, with the talent he bought in, it was difficult to F up, he did little for the future growth though and Shawn is doing a million times better on that front.

I will give him credit for the cruiserweight classic & mae young classic however, he can’t do anything beyond the old fashioned tournament format when it comes to booking and creativity.

 

[shaz619]

@Mods @The Bald Eagle delete. posted in wrong thread by mistake

No I think the package piledriver does well in this thread

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I would argue that he still had a big hand in defining the vision of the show, and he does deserve credit for that. He was the one running the show and all those people were working on his directives.

Main roster and Black and Gold NXT couldn't be more divergent from each other. It doesn't seem like the person who booked that consistently great tv is also booking the main roster which has way more star power and much less direction or creativity.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He wasn’t responsible for the Black & Gold era either, @RedwoodOriginal just showed all the names who sailed that ship. I always went out to bat for Ryan Ward & Regal who never got the credit they deserved during that period.

It does seem plausible now. One can't be so good at something and then equally as bad a few years later. He is just someone who likes to take all the credit for everyone else's work.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Without those names, H wouldn’t have a job in the booking world, it’s no coincidence that he bought that same team with him to the main roster, those guys fight a battle every day trying not to go through with the least creative directives.

If it wasn’t for Michael Hayes, I think WWE would be extremely dull right now, the product isn’t perfect, but H creatively is always in cruise control mode; imagine having a 5 year plan in the booking world, I don’t think TK books this far out and he does coke as well. Maybe Hayes takes it a bit far, but I think it’s a necessary evil to make up for the dull programming (H was a big Freebirds fan and definitely their confederate era so Hayes has some leeway), not everyone is a fan of Jey, but I don’t despise Hayes for having the right instincts, maybe he should be running creative, seriously, anyone but H….

On Ed Koskey, is he that SVP for creative? Brooooooo, I’ve had the same thought honestly, if there was a white dude out there with the look of pure evil, that’s your guy right there, like seriously, he looks like a satanist who drinks children’s blood or something, why do weirdo’s like this always get to sit so high at the table? It’s a trend in the corporate world.

Michael Hayes, Regal, Jamie Noble, these three are well known for being fantastic match producers. Now it looks like Abyss is also another great producer.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Bet Vince wishes he didn’t do all that freaky ahh nonsense outside of work if allegations are true, now he has to sit on the sideline and watch his goofy son in law as Punk called him in that promo years back iirc run decades of hard work from his grandad, dad and himself of literally carving out a whole new business and industry into the ground because he’s an egomaniac starved for attention so will throw the whole business under the bus to stay relevant releasing shows like this exposing it.

Vince is one crazy old man. He probably still done all that ess if he got another chance.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Michael Hayes, Regal, Jamie Noble, these three are well known for being fantastic match producers. Now it looks like Abyss is also another great producer.

I'd add Petey Williams (always produces the best women's matches) and Shane Helms (I think he the main guy in-charge of women's matches) to the list.

I was surprised to see even Kenny Dykstra is a producer there. Haven't seen him in ages. He was an incredibly talented wrestler but sadly never reached his full-potential.

 

[shaz619]

It does seem plausible now. One can't be so good at something and then equally as bad a few years later. He is just someone who likes to take all the credit for everyone else's work.

This unreal thing is also employment protection on his part, if he gets fired, he can use this show to land a gig somewhere else

 

[shaz619]

I'd add Petey Williams (always produces the best women's matches) and Shane Helms (I think he the main guy in-charge of women's matches) to the list.

I was surprised to see even Kenny Dykstra is a producer there. Haven't seen him in ages. He was an incredibly talented wrestler but sadly never reached his full-potential.

Wasn’t he in the spirit squad? one of my all time fav factions ever.

The TNA guys have been doing really well in the WWE and perfect for the jobs really, seeing how they pioneered the wrestling style we see on a weekly basis now, except they were also gifted innovators.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Wasn’t he in the spirit squad? one of my all time fav factions ever.

The TNA guys have been doing really well in the WWE and perfect for the jobs really, seeing how they pioneered the wrestling style we see on a weekly basis now, except they were also gifted innovators.

spirit squad reminds me of indian bowling line up

 

[shaz619]

spirit squad reminds me of indian bowling line up

Anybody named Krishna 100% should be in that squad

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Anybody named Krishna 100% should be in that squad

same for Sundar, imagining naming your child "beautiful" when he has the look of someone who pissed their pants

 

[shaz619]

same for Sundar, imagining naming your child "beautiful" when he has the look of someone who pissed their pants

The name em Sundar in the hopes it will reverse the natural order in place

 

[shaz619]

Is there a bigger mark of wrestling then DC out there:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951246164331749434

lol

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Wasn’t he in the spirit squad? one of my all time fav factions ever.

The TNA guys have been doing really well in the WWE and perfect for the jobs really, seeing how they pioneered the wrestling style we see on a weekly basis now, except they were also gifted innovators.

Yup. Sadly got pigeonholed as a jobber though and then they didn't do anything with him when he became a singles. He was one of the youngest people to ever get a WWE contract. Started wresting when he was like 15 and was on the main-roster with the Spirit Squad by age 18. He was fast-tracked through OVW because the people in WWE were very impressed by his work.

Yes it's funny how many ex-TNA guys are WWE producers. Bobby Roode is a producer too. But they are all very smart individuals so it doesn't surprise me.

Seeing Abyss in WWE though just reminds me of the dream match we almost got. Undertaker v Abyss at WrestleMania 23.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I bet Vince wishes that he didn't allow his daughter to start a relationship with Triple H. It was so unprofessional to allow a talent to date your daughter.

And I don't understand what Stephanie saw in Triple H. She is a beautiful woman, while Triple H is ugly. What did she see in him?

Well tbh the kind of stuff Vince has been accused of I'm not sure if he should be pointing fingers at anyone

As for H, I think some girls are just into jacked up dudes. And H has spent a lifetime giving himself steroid booster shots

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I'd add Petey Williams (always produces the best women's matches) and Shane Helms (I think he the main guy in-charge of women's matches) to the list.

I was surprised to see even Kenny Dykstra is a producer there. Haven't seen him in ages. He was an incredibly talented wrestler but sadly never reached his full-potential.

Not to forget our boy, Adam Pearce.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Without those names, H wouldn’t have a job in the booking world, it’s no coincidence that he bought that same team with him to the main roster, those guys fight a battle every day trying not to go through with the least creative directives.

If it wasn’t for Michael Hayes, I think WWE would be extremely dull right now, the product isn’t perfect, but H creatively is always in cruise control mode; imagine having a 5 year plan in the booking world, I don’t think TK books this far out and he does coke as well. Maybe Hayes takes it a bit far, but I think it’s a necessary evil to make up for the dull programming (H was a big Freebirds fan and definitely their confederate era so Hayes has some leeway), not everyone is a fan of Jey, but I don’t despise Hayes for having the right instincts, maybe he should be running creative, seriously, anyone but H….

On Ed Koskey, is he that SVP for creative? Brooooooo, I’ve had the same thought honestly, if there was a white dude out there with the look of pure evil, that’s your guy right there, like seriously, he looks like a satanist who drinks children’s blood or something, why do weirdo’s like this always get to sit so high at the table? It’s a trend in the corporate world.

I didn't mean to paint that kind of finish in a negative light. I think old school rasslin' elements still have a place in wrestling and always will. And tbh, I'm okay with Michael Hayes. Eventhough there have been troubling allegations levelled against him, I can still respect him for what he achieved in the business. The Freebirds used to be the hottest heels in Texas back in the day when they had that rivalry with the Von Erichs. And these guys knew how to get some mega freakin' heat. Hayes, unlike Prichard he atleast been in the ring before and actually has some firsthand knowledge about what he's doing.

I don't know what his title is, but yeah, this guy gives me the creeps too. He definitely radiates some serial-killer vibes too.

Because people like him know how to kiss a$$ and get ahead. And in the corporate world, that matters more than being great at your job or whatever. Maybe H sees a bit of himself in him. After all, we all know how he got ahead,.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bro I don’t know if I completely zoned out or if there wasn’t as much H in this episode?

iShow Speed seems to be the only ‘talent’ that is selling even on a program such as this

That ladder match between Cody & KO was as physical as it looked, I am surprised they let them do that kind of match during WM season. Who hasn’t KO helped make? There are so many guys who deserved a run with the world title from the past 5 years or so.

They had to go down the Jey Uso route & that’s fine with him being a fresh face, and he had the momentum, I appreciate the sentiment backstage and it was clearly a big deal for the samoan dynasty, however, Gunther should not have tapped out (I’ve been avoiding spoilers but I’ve been secretly hoping for the interactions between H & Gunther during the WM season), and also, does it seem like they are moving on from Jey? If they are, it’s diabolical giving him a push in the first place when they robbed Punk off a huge moment at the RR.

Cody seems so comfortable in his role as the face of the company, he always wanted this and it’s like second nature, the fans have always been behind him in the WWE even at his lowest.

Well to start off, he said something to the effect of, 'you gotta have your finger on the pulse of the audience...' and I just went, what?? You of all, people are going to have the gall to say this? Like bro, you wouldn't know the audience's pulse if it slapped you in the face.

The later on in the episode, he was in the writer's room and went like, we've taken a chance on Jey, let's hope he doesn't blow it. And that he can't be spending all his energy on the entrance and be blowing up in the match (which I actually agree with). Meanwhile in the arena he's telling Jey I'm going to strap a rocket to your back. Like talk about being a duplicitous mf. I don't know if it was the online reaction, or that even he can see that Jey simply cannot cut it in the ring as a main-eventer, but I think he realized very quickly that Jey is not the person for this position. Which is why now they have even taken away him coming out of the crowd. Not that I'm complaining. I've been against this Jey Uso push from the start and see him as nothing more than the company mascot, but it does go to show you exactly how two-faced Triple H really is.

BTW I laughed so hard when the parking lot attendant didn't recognize Jey Uso, wouldn't let him in becuau and kept asking him for Mark Henry.
Sums up the state of modern wrestling.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

This unreal thing is also employment protection on his part, if he gets fired, he can use this show to land a gig somewhere else

Or maybe will switch his loyalties towards Vince again to establish a new wrestling company.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I didn't mean to paint that kind of finish in a negative light. I think old school rasslin' elements still have a place in wrestling and always will. And tbh, I'm okay with Michael Hayes. Eventhough there have been troubling allegations levelled against him, I can still respect him for what he achieved in the business. The Freebirds used to be the hottest heels in Texas back in the day when they had that rivalry with the Von Erichs. And these guys knew how to get some mega freakin' heat. Hayes, unlike Prichard he atleast been in the ring before and actually has some firsthand knowledge about what he's doing.

I don't know what his title is, but yeah, this guy gives me the creeps too. He definitely radiates some serial-killer vibes too.

Because people like him know how to kiss a$$ and get ahead. And in the corporate world, that matters more than being great at your job or whatever. Maybe H sees a bit of himself in him. After all, we all know how he got ahead,.

Prichard also worked as Brother Love or was it someone else?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Not to forget our boy, Adam Pearce.

Heard Pearce left WWE or something?