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RedwoodOriginal said:
What do you guys think? Cody winning the title back? I think so. I think this Cena heel turn misfire is about to come to an end. He's going to end his career as a babyface.

BTW who do you guys think should wrestle Cena in his last match? I think it should be Gunther and Gunther should win.

I wanna believe that Punk will win the WHC at SummerSlam. But a part of me thinks that little disease-ridden rat Seth Rollins will cash in his MITB briefcase at the end of the match. I hope not though. I just want Punk to move on from Rollins to newer and fresher opponents we haven't seen him against. Also, he needs to have atleast one World title run in WWE before he retires. And it needs to happen soon.

Then again, maybe Gunther just retains.
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I think Cena should retire as a babyface.

Retiring as a heel makes no sense.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
BTW who do you guys think should wrestle Cena in his last match? I think it should be Gunther and Gunther should win.
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I think Cena shouldn't lose his final match. He should retire as a babyface and with a win.

I personally think he should wrestle against an old wrestler instead of a youngster (so that he doesn't bury the push).

Maybe John Cena vs Roman Reigns?
 
Suleiman said:
Fake face turn by Cena to entrap Cody at SS and retain.

🖐️🧢 #TheLastRealChampion
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I am not sure if this is a fake face turn for Cena. It seemed real to me. I think it is the right time to make him a face because he has 5 months left.

I think we may see a Cody's heel turn instead. Let's see what happens.
 
sweep_shot said:
I am not sure if this is a fake face turn for Cena. It seemed real to me. I think it is the right time to make him a face because he has 5 months left.

I think we may see a Cody's heel turn instead. Let's see what happens.
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Let’s see but it’s too rushed for it to be his real face turn imo

I too believe he will eventually turn face but not rn.

This guy has done too much batameezi that has gone unpunished. Needs to be taken care of before he turns face
 
Suleiman said:
Fake face turn by Cena to entrap Cody at SS and retain.

🖐️🧢 #TheLastRealChampion
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that might be something. but he was back to greeting fans at the end. So don't know. He did say in a few weeks ago that we are about to get into the best part of his run. If his retirement wasn't 4 months away, i'd be like nah he is swerving. but i think he'll turn face. If he stays a heel, I hope we get a new character.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I didn't mean to paint that kind of finish in a negative light. I think old school rasslin' elements still have a place in wrestling and always will. And tbh, I'm okay with Michael Hayes. Eventhough there have been troubling allegations levelled against him, I can still respect him for what he achieved in the business. The Freebirds used to be the hottest heels in Texas back in the day when they had that rivalry with the Von Erichs. And these guys knew how to get some mega freakin' heat. Hayes, unlike Prichard he atleast been in the ring before and actually has some firsthand knowledge about what he's doing.

I don't know what his title is, but yeah, this guy gives me the creeps too. He definitely radiates some serial-killer vibes too.

Because people like him know how to kiss a$$ and get ahead. And in the corporate world, that matters more than being great at your job or whatever. Maybe H sees a bit of himself in him. After all, we all know how he got ahead,.
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Not at all, I knew what you meant right away, I said that as I can like totally see Hayes booking being utilised both negatively & positively, and he was a guy who was something in this business as you said. He’s just another guy at the moment doing his best to paper all the cracks created by H atm and I feel he has more of a feel for how to create new stars or at least that’s on his agenda.

True lol Shataan recognises other Shataan.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Well to start off, he said something to the effect of, 'you gotta have your finger on the pulse of the audience...' and I just went, what?? You of all, people are going to have the gall to say this? Like bro, you wouldn't know the audience's pulse if it slapped you in the face.

The later on in the episode, he was in the writer's room and went like, we've taken a chance on Jey, let's hope he doesn't blow it. And that he can't be spending all his energy on the entrance and be blowing up in the match (which I actually agree with:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:). Meanwhile in the arena he's telling Jey I'm going to strap a rocket to your back. Like talk about being a duplicitous mf. I don't know if it was the online reaction, or that even he can see that Jey simply cannot cut it in the ring as a main-eventer, but I think he realized very quickly that Jey is not the person for this position. Which is why now they have even taken away him coming out of the crowd. Not that I'm complaining. I've been against this Jey Uso push from the start and see him as nothing more than the company mascot, but it does go to show you exactly how two-faced Triple H really is.

BTW I laughed so hard when the parking lot attendant didn't recognize Jey Uso, wouldn't let him in becuau and kept asking him for Mark Henry. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Sums up the state of modern wrestling.
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His finger was on Stephanie’s pulse and nothing else. And yeah right, he’s a two faced scumbag, and this is Jey who is generally a respectful / nice kind of guy, imagine how those are punished for merely questioning his 4/10 @ss. Main issue I had was the talent they have access to but refuse to give a similar push, otherwise I wasn’t as against Jey getting the push as a new name with the wave of momentum he had, but seems more criminal to me that can pull just pull the plug like this, it’s just ridiculous, it’s a slap in the face of LA, KO, Zayn & others.

Lmao I was wondering why they did not make a joke about that, yooo I’m with Mark Henry am with Mark Henry 🤣 Mark was underrated and proof how memorable a good character can be.
 
shaz619 said:
His finger was on Stephanie’s pulse and nothing else. And yeah right, he’s a two faced scumbag, and this is Jey who is generally a respectful / nice kind of guy, imagine how those are punished for merely questioning his 4/10 @ss. Main issue I had was the talent they have access to but refuse to give a similar push, otherwise I wasn’t as against Jey getting the push as a new name with the wave of momentum he had, but seems more criminal to me that can pull just pull the plug like this, it’s just ridiculous, it’s a slap in the face of LA, KO, Zayn & others.

Lmao I was wondering why they did not make a joke about that, yooo I’m with Mark Henry am with Mark Henry 🤣 Mark was underrated and proof how memorable a good character can be.
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LA, KO, Zayn, Drew and Gunther are five guys you can easily put in that main-event level spot, along with Cody. They are fully capable of stepping into that position and check every single box of what you want from a pro-wrestler. Especially as the Romans, Ortons and Punks get closer to the end. Bron is obviously the future but is very young. These guys are full-ready to be your next top guys. But nah, he'd rather push that goddamned Temu Edge
 
shaz619 said:
He was fired by H and that should mean something, the fans got him back and you know how H see’s the fans unless they create a temple dedicated to his worship:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951354212593320044
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I knew this would happen. I was expecting he would atleast get a match against John Cena just to complete that storyline. But even that was a 3-minute B.S match with a DQ.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I knew this would happen. I was expecting he would atleast get a match against John Cena just to complete that storyline. But even that was a 3-minute B.S match with a DQ.
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This is his revenge & they’ve pretty much killed all his heat, this should have led to something interesting for Truth & his transformation into Ron Killings, piece of sh!t is H
 
Great segment between Cody & Cena, this entire run from Cena is a love letter to all his fans, they just don’t realise it yet. Like the questions leading into the PPV match.

What if his turn was actually last week; and they are laying the ground work for a Cody turn. Or the set-up to work Cody & all the fans also works quiet well.
 
shaz619 said:
This is his revenge & they’ve pretty much killed all his heat, this should have led to something interesting for Truth & his transformation into Ron Killings, piece of sh!t is H
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this is one of the talent rich eras of WWE. We used to ask for this level of abundance of talented wrestlers back in 2011-2017… now that we have it we have an absolute circus clown at the helm who will not stop until he buries every single one of them except his favorite bootlickers
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah I thought so too after this promo. Would be really stupid and illogical if this really is his babyface turn.
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Good that I’m not the only one who thought that.

Outta nowhere now he’s a good guy just because Cody asked him to lol… only way it makes sense is if he’s gonna play Cody again and that becomes Cody’s Homelander moment where he goes full unhinged after being played x2
 
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Suleiman said:
this is one of the talent rich eras of WWE. We used to ask for this level of abundance of talented wrestlers back in 2011-2017… now that we have it we have an absolute circus clown at the helm who will not stop until he buries every single one of them except his favorite bootlickers
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What about Lyra though? me thinks H gets off on licking her boots
 
Night 1 events are under-booked considerably, I actually think main-eventing Night 1 is a much bigger deal because it’s a tougher sell, Punk & Gunther are drawing this crowd tonight, especially the former.
 
shaz619 said:
Night 1 events are under-booked considerably, I actually think main-eventing Night 1 is a much bigger deal because it’s a tougher sell, Punk & Gunther are drawing this crowd tonight, especially the former.
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This night stuff is so dumb. Quantity over quality like everything with dumb H.

So many PPVs / PLEs and then breaking those events into multiple nights

Understandable for Wrestlemania but everything else is too much.

One feud after another with jelly beans, lolly pauls thrown in and other lallu panju celebs thrown in. He’s turning wrestling into a joke by featuring these bozos and revealing secrets of the industry. Imagine a proper Drew Randy feud by themselves in a non lockdown era 🔥

It’s time someone drops a unreal doc on doofus
 
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Suleiman said:
This night stuff is so dumb. Quantity over quality like everything with dumb H.

So many PPVs / PLEs and then breaking those events into multiple nights

Understandable for Wrestlemania but everything else is too much.

One feud after another with jelly beans, lolly pauls thrown in and other lallu panju celebs thrown in. He’s turning wrestling into a joke by featuring these bozos and revealing secrets of the industry. Imagine a proper Drew Randy feud by themselves in a non lockdown era 🔥

It’s time someone drops a unreal doc on doofus
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This was one of the worst big 4 ppv's i have ever had the misfortune of watching.
 
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pathetic ending for Night 1

would've been perfect if Roman intervened and ruined Rollins cash-in

for some reason Mr. Big Nose Baldy keeps on pushing Rollins, he doesn't draw anything, his wife draws more but he is Hunters baby child
 
Rafale Nidhal said:
pathetic ending for Night 1

would've been perfect if Roman intervened and ruined Rollins cash-in

for some reason Mr. Big Nose Baldy keeps on pushing Rollins, he doesn't draw anything, his wife draws more but he is Hunters baby child
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That’s exactly how many of us pictured Seth’s cash in. Roman finally getting some payback

But doofus wants to constantly make his poster boy look good but he is still cringey
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Some people online seem to be speculating that Rollins' injury is not that serious and they are working the fans to make the cash-in a surprise.
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shaz619 said:
It would be pretty dumb to have done the injury for that purpose only if am honest, not really working into an angle either and seems rather silly imo Because whenever a MITB cash-in is done, it’s a surprise regardless. So am not sure if this is true, then again, H is constantly feuding with online smarks.
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🤡🤡🤡🤡/10
 
Suleiman said:
This night stuff is so dumb. Quantity over quality like everything with dumb H.

So many PPVs / PLEs and then breaking those events into multiple nights

Understandable for Wrestlemania but everything else is too much.

One feud after another with jelly beans, lolly pauls thrown in and other lallu panju celebs thrown in. He’s turning wrestling into a joke by featuring these bozos and revealing secrets of the industry. Imagine a proper Drew Randy feud by themselves in a non lockdown era 🔥

It’s time someone drops a unreal doc on doofus
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You take Punk out that night & nobody shows up really, if they are using this as a trial to set the tone for future SS’s, people wont get fooled again. And he doesn’t care about those bozos, he is taking it further each day, H is the one ruining wrestling literally
 
Rafale Nidhal said:
pathetic ending for Night 1

would've been perfect if Roman intervened and ruined Rollins cash-in

for some reason Mr. Big Nose Baldy keeps on pushing Rollins, he doesn't draw anything, his wife draws more but he is Hunters baby child
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They should stop calling it ‘Ruse’ Of The Century, more like Re!ard Of The Century, so predictable and uncreative
 
The mediocre booking & lack of creativity aside, Gunther vs Punk was a breath of fresh air and I really enjoyed the RA era style match, they justified it to soften Punk enough for Seth; however, the two did a tremendous job telling a story in the ring when you consider the minimal build behind them, Punk’s selling was phenomenal & Gunther really went to town with his strikes, yes, it wont be everyones cup of tea because Gunther was building heat on Punk for a while & in a stadium it’s debatable, but I loved the throwback performances but acknowledge it wont be everyones cup of tea. The set-up for the finish was beautiful, I was thinking these are the kind of matches which Gunther should be having to get him over, the kind of matches he should have had against Jey & Berg except go over at the end. This match was so beautiful from a psychological POV that I had a slim hope of watching them continue to feud.

These are all the things the Cringe Lord has ruined:

- An all timer of a feud between Punk & Gunther
- A Punk WHC reign
- The growth of Bron & Reed will take a big hit when they were coming into their own without Seth

It was expected but I did enjoy that WHC win & it’s a big deal Punk won the title after winning an AEW title, it really seemed to mean a lot to Punk, maybe the raw emotion was a shoot, it worked really well into the finish, he really was doing his best to take in every second he had with the title, not sure Triple Doofus will give him another go.
 
shaz619 said:
The way he was using the briefcase though, those hits were so stiff, like what the hell, Seth is an unprofessional piece of sh!t.
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same guy ended Sting's run in WWE what was supposed to be an epic run.

I will always dislike Rollins for that.

also I heard he dislikes Punk in general hence Hunter always bends over for Rollins, basically Rollins hate guys who Hunter doesn't like

Rollins is like that co-worker who gives BJs to the bosses but with a twist, the boss gives him bjs instead
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1951655326190637423

Remember this date, I am 100% sure H would have seen this.
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Respect to LA Knight. We all know how good he is, but I think you need to have that confidence in yourself aswell. Many people would be content with languishing in the midcard and picking up that big WWE paycheck, but I think he knows that wherever he goes, he will succeed. Because he's just that good
 
Suleiman said:
this is one of the talent rich eras of WWE. We used to ask for this level of abundance of talented wrestlers back in 2011-2017… now that we have it we have an absolute circus clown at the helm who will not stop until he buries every single one of them except his favorite bootlickers
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I would go back to the mid-2000s to when WWE last had the type of upper-card talent they've had for the last 2 years. It really is a shame that this numbskull is at the helm. So many talented guys are falling by the wayside because of the dog$hit booking
 
shaz619 said:
They should stop calling it ‘Ruse’ Of The Century, more like Re!ard Of The Century, so predictable and uncreative
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We literally saw this coming a mile away and so did many other people online. If you are going to do something like this the least you do is keep the goddamn secret hidden. 🤡

The moment I read that Seth was backstage at one of their shows like days after this injury, I knew straight away that this injury was not that serious. Then rumors started circulating online that they were planning the cash-in and once I read that I was 95% sure he was going to cash in. And lo and behold guess what happens...
 
Rafale Nidhal said:
same guy ended Sting's run in WWE what was supposed to be an epic run.

I will always dislike Rollins for that.

also I heard he dislikes Punk in general hence Hunter always bends over for Rollins, basically Rollins hate guys who Hunter doesn't like

Rollins is like that co-worker who gives BJs to the bosses but with a twist, the boss gives him bjs instead
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This post made my day:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
shaz619 said:
The way he was using the briefcase though, those hits were so stiff, like what the hell, Seth is an unprofessional piece of sh!t.
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Nearly killed Sting, dislocated Finn Balor's shoulder robbing him of his first World title reign, took serious liberties with Roman at the Royal Rumble and now this.

Also, when Bret Hart calls somebody "unsafe", I take him at his word.
 
shaz619 said:
You take Punk out that night & nobody shows up really, if they are using this as a trial to set the tone for future SS’s, people wont get fooled again. And he doesn’t care about those bozos, he is taking it further each day, H is the one ruining wrestling literally
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Suleiman said:
This night stuff is so dumb. Quantity over quality like everything with dumb H.

So many PPVs / PLEs and then breaking those events into multiple nights

Understandable for Wrestlemania but everything else is too much.

One feud after another with jelly beans, lolly pauls thrown in and other lallu panju celebs thrown in. He’s turning wrestling into a joke by featuring these bozos and revealing secrets of the industry. Imagine a proper Drew Randy feud by themselves in a non lockdown era 🔥

It’s time someone drops a unreal doc on doofus
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This card was so poorly put together. How the hell puts so many tag team matches on the same card? The opener was an entertaining match because of the participants, but other than that and the main-event, it was a thoroughly mediocre card with thoroughly mediocre matches you can catch on any episode of RAW. Kross v Zayn was not even a match.
 
shaz619 said:
The mediocre booking & lack of creativity aside, Gunther vs Punk was a breath of fresh air and I really enjoyed the RA era style match, they justified it to soften Punk enough for Seth; however, the two did a tremendous job telling a story in the ring when you consider the minimal build behind them, Punk’s selling was phenomenal & Gunther really went to town with his strikes, yes, it wont be everyones cup of tea because Gunther was building heat on Punk for a while & in a stadium it’s debatable, but I loved the throwback performances but acknowledge it wont be everyones cup of tea. The set-up for the finish was beautiful, I was thinking these are the kind of matches which Gunther should be having to get him over, the kind of matches he should have had against Jey & Berg except go over at the end. This match was so beautiful from a psychological POV that I had a slim hope of watching them continue to feud.

These are all the things the Cringe Lord has ruined:

- An all timer of a feud between Punk & Gunther
- A Punk WHC reign
- The growth of Bron & Reed will take a big hit when they were coming into their own without Seth

It was expected but I did enjoy that WHC win & it’s a big deal Punk won the title after winning an AEW title, it really seemed to mean a lot to Punk, maybe the raw emotion was a shoot, it worked really well into the finish, he really was doing his best to take in every second he had with the title, not sure Triple Doofus will give him another go.
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You know I was literally watching this match thinking what a great Bret Hart tribute the match was and then these two literally started putting each other in sharp shooters and Punk actually even reversed a sharpshooter into a sharpshooter, which looked so cool and I haven't seen anyone do before.

It thought they put on an instant classic. Maybe my favorite match of the year so far. It was so deliberately paced and methodical. At the start, it was basically a squash match and they did so well to put over Gunther's dominance and telling the story of Punk, the hardened vet just being out of his depth against a beast like Gunther. Then when Punk started to turn the tide it just got even better. The finishing stretch of this match was simply incredible. Punk was so believable as David dragging himself back into the match against Goliath. The blood was a wonderful touch. You absolutely needed that. And then Punk won. And it was a great moment. It was very short-lived, but it was a great moment. What happened after that, happened. But I think that bull$hit shouldn't take away from how good this match was.

Kudos to Wade Barrett btw, who was excellent on commentary in this match.
 
Hope nobody dies in that 6 Team TLC match. There is always a desire to do crazy things in matches like these, but I hope these guys are smart and don't take any unnecessary risks. No pop is worth your health and well-being.
 
Lesnar is back. Hopefully Vince is back soon too and Triple Fraud is removed from creative.

I am annoyed that Cena’s title reign is over. I would have had him lose the title in his final match.
 
The_KING said:
Lesnar is back. Hopefully Vince is back soon too and Triple Fraud is removed from creative.

I am annoyed that Cena’s title reign is over. I would have had him lose the title in his final match.
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Nah that would have been a foregone conclusion. Hopefully Cena wins his final match.
 
I would love to see Cena vs Brock Lesnar. Maybe Cena can finish his career with a win over Brock.
 
The_KING said:
Lesnar is back. Hopefully Vince is back soon too and Triple Fraud is removed from creative.

I am annoyed that Cena’s title reign is over. I would have had him lose the title in his final match.
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I think Cena should end his career with a win and as a babyface.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You know I was literally watching this match thinking what a great Bret Hart tribute the match was and then these two literally started putting each other in sharp shooters and Punk actually even reversed a sharpshooter into a sharpshooter, which looked so cool and I haven't seen anyone do before.

It thought they put on an instant classic. Maybe my favorite match of the year so far. It was so deliberately paced and methodical. At the start, it was basically a squash match and they did so well to put over Gunther's dominance and telling the story of Punk, the hardened vet just being out of his depth against a beast like Gunther. Then when Punk started to turn the tide it just got even better. The finishing stretch of this match was simply incredible. Punk was so believable as David dragging himself back into the match against Goliath. The blood was a wonderful touch. You absolutely needed that. And then Punk won. And it was a great moment. It was very short-lived, but it was a great moment. What happened after that, happened. But I think that bull$hit shouldn't take away from how good this match was.

Kudos to Wade Barrett btw, who was excellent on commentary in this match.
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Survivor Series '97 . Bret reversed HBK's sharpshooter right after getting screwed .
 
Cena just keeps getting better as he sheds off his ring rust. His in ring performances keep getting better and better in this run.
I am actually fine with his farewell run being a greatest hits collection. Brock and AJ will hopefully be the next 2 challengers.
Although it looks impossible, but would be great for Edge and Bryan to come for one final feud with cena while we are at it.
 
I feel for Punk. He worked so hard to return to WWE, and he finally won the world title, only for him to lose the title in 5 minutes to some loser who doesn't even have the fraction of the talent that he has. I am not exactly happy with the way CM Punk has been booked since his return, but you can't expect any better from Triple Fraud.
 
sweep_shot said:
I would love to see Cena vs Brock Lesnar. Maybe Cena can finish his career with a win over Brock.
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It's August. Cena's last match is in December. Eventhough he will take a long beak in between, Brock will not be his last match
 
Suleiman said:
Ugh really didn’t want that @RedwoodOriginal they continue to rush everything
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Cena's heel run was an epic failure. And I think the weird way in which he turned back babyface on SmackDown was probably them admitting it. Eventhough it was a good match, the psychology just felt off. If these guys are both babyfaces and on good terms now, then why are they trying to maim each other in a street fight? Why couldn't they just have changed it back to a straight up wrestling match? And as glad as I am to see Brock back, his return at the end of the match felt like a desperate hail mary. To deliver fans some shock-value and get them talking.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Cena's heel run was an epic failure. And I think the weird way in which he turned back babyface on SmackDown was probably them admitting it. Eventhough it was a good match, the psychology just felt off. If these guys are both babyfaces and on good terms now, then why are they trying to maim each other in a street fight? Why couldn't they just have changed it back to a straight up wrestling match? And as glad as I am to see Brock back, his return at the end of the match felt like a desperate hail mary. To deliver fans some shock-value and get them talking.
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They could have given us that throwback to basic thuganomics heel or an intense heel rather than a depressed guy who felt cheated. That's the thing with Triple H, he doesn't have it in him to take a brave decision and even when he does, he just makes a half hearted attempt so that it would fail. HBK over him as the head booker anytime.
 
Another mediocre card that was poorly put together and was once again somewhat saved by the main-event and a couple of other decent matches. Night 1 was overloaded with tag matches and Night 2 was overloaded with No DQ matches. Why they couldn't have been spread out I don't know.

Solo v Jacob was terrible. Lyra v Becky was a garbage weapons match that I hated. AJ v Dom had some nice moments like the Eddie tributes but as much as I love Dom, him going over AJ is basically a slap to AJ's face.

The opener was a strong. The 6 Pack Ladder was a car crash and one of the few good matches on the card.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Think it'll be Gunther. I'd like it to be someone Cena can beat. He has put over enough people.
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Gunther should beat Cena. There is nothing to be gained from Cena winning his last match. Cena isn't coming back, Gunther is the present and the future of this company.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Another mediocre card that was poorly put together and was once again somewhat saved by the main-event and a couple of other decent matches. Night 1 was overloaded with tag matches and Night 2 was overloaded with No DQ matches. Why they couldn't have been spread out I don't know.

Solo v Jacob was terrible. Lyra v Becky was a garbage weapons match that I hated. AJ v Dom had some nice moments like the Eddie tributes but as much as I love Dom, him going over AJ is basically a slap to AJ's face.

The opener was a strong. The 6 Pack Ladder was a car crash and one of the few good matches on the card.
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Cena bringing in a table got no pop as the audience had already seen enough tables and chairs throughout the show. Just destroyed it from in ring psychology perspective. Trips needs to be fired for it.
How he's booking it, i won't be surprised if Cena's last match is against Big Show or Kane cause as funny as it sounds, it may happen under that big nose.
 
As for the main-event...

TBH I had zero expectations for this match but I thought it ended up being fairly good. Eventhough it made no sense from a psychology stand-point and went on too long, it was probably Cena's best match in this farewell run. It reminded me of 2015-16 Cena when he dropped down the card and started showing everyone that he could indeed wrestle. He turned back the clock with stuff like the electric chair, the code red, the leg drop off the turnbuckle. It was nice to see him finally delivering a performance of note in the ring. I found it funny that two guys who are most famous for b@st@rdizing their finishers spent the entire match doing just that. I thought they went a little overboard with it. Just having guys endlessly kicking out of finishers gets a bit boring and predictable after a certain point and shows a distinct lack of imagination on the booker's part. But anyway, it was a good match with the right finish.

Stoked to see Lesnar back. Eventhough it feels like a desperate hail mary to save this Cena run, by getting some heat back on him. Cena is probably back where he should be: a babyface. But the way in which this whole turn was executed was really unsatisfying. It was like they were saying 'we know we f'ed up, this is us making amends.'
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Gunther should beat Cena. There is nothing to be gained from Cena winning his last match. Cena isn't coming back, Gunther is the present and the future of this company.
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Would rather like if his last match is against someone like KO or Sami.
Gunther has gone over Goldberg and Randy already.
Actually it'd be better if Sami beats Cena to generate much needed momentum towards Rumble season or Drew.
But the home crowd won't like Cena losing his last match. Sometimes, you just need to send the fans home happy. Like Sting's retirement match or Taker's.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Would rather like if his last match is against someone like KO or Sami.
Gunther has gone over Goldberg and Randy already.
Actually it'd be better if Sami beats Cena to generate much needed momentum towards Rumble season or Drew.
But the home crowd won't like Cena losing his last match. Sometimes, you just need to send the fans home happy. Like Sting's retirement match or Taker's.
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It needs to be a heel. Babyface v babyface matches serve no purpose besides confusing fans on who to cheer and who to boo. Ends up being very counter-productive for both. KO seems like he will be out for a long time so it probably won't be him. Gunther fits the profile perfectly and I hope it's him. If not him then Drew is the next best option.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
As for the main-event...

TBH I had zero expectations for this match but I thought it ended up being fairly good. Eventhough it made no sense from a psychology stand-point and went on too long, it was probably Cena's best match in this farewell run. It reminded me of 2015-16 Cena when he dropped down the card and started showing everyone that he could indeed wrestle. He turned back the clock with stuff like the electric chair, the code red, the leg drop off the turnbuckle. It was nice to see him finally delivering a performance of note in the ring. I found it funny that two guys who are most famous for b@st@rdizing their finishers spent the entire match doing just that. I thought they went a little overboard with it. Just having guys endlessly kicking out of finishers gets a bit boring and predictable after a certain point and shows a distinct lack of imagination on the booker's part. But anyway, it was a good match with the right finish.

Stoked to see Lesnar back. Eventhough it feels like a desperate hail mary to save this Cena run, by getting some heat back on him. Cena is probably back where he should be: a babyface. But the way in which this whole turn was executed was really unsatisfying. It was like they were saying 'we know we f'ed up, this is us making amends.'
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Honestly, Cena kicking out of 3 cross rhodes was a beautiful callback to Super Cena and even the crowd started chanting Super Cena afterwards.
If anything, Cody worked more as a heel in the match and I was thinking he might just turn heel. But WWE in current era, there's no out of the box calls.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Honestly, Cena kicking out of 3 cross rhodes was a beautiful callback to Super Cena and even the crowd started chanting Super Cena afterwards.
If anything, Cody worked more as a heel in the match and I was thinking he might just turn heel. But WWE in current era, there's no out of the box calls.
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It was too much. I'm not a fan of this trope. The match could have easily been cut by 10 minutes. It went 37-40 mins.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It needs to be a heel. Babyface v babyface matches serve no purpose besides confusing fans on who to cheer and who to boo. Ends up being very counter-productive for both. KO seems like he will be out for a long time so it probably won't be him. Gunther fits the profile perfectly and I hope it's him. If not him then Drew is the next best option.
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They're just throwing in matches half heartedly with no build up whatsoever. So with no real story to be told, a face vs face match can work. And like Taker and Sting, for Cena, it'd be a good thing to see him win his final match. I wouldn't care if its against Dom of all people.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
They're just throwing in matches half heartedly with no build up whatsoever. So with no real story to be told, a face vs face match can work. And like Taker and Sting, for Cena, it'd be a good thing to see him win his final match. I wouldn't care if its against Dom of all people.
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It will more than likely bury Sami as a babyface. Especially if it's in Cena's hometown. I really don't see how it could work. Even if it isn't in Cena's hometown people will want to cheer Cena, but at the same time they wouldn't want to boo Sami. What will happen is Sami will come across as unpopular and minor league eventhough in such a situation anyone would want to cheer Cena.

Which is why Cena must wrestle an outright heel in his last match. So there is no confusion on who the fans should cheer and who they should boo.

Taker v Sting never happened. And I think there's a very good reason why. As Cornette once said, it's one of those matches that sounds good in everyone's head but probably would have very disappointing in execution considering how old both guys were in 2015.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Cena's heel run was an epic failure. And I think the weird way in which he turned back babyface on SmackDown was probably them admitting it. Eventhough it was a good match, the psychology just felt off. If these guys are both babyfaces and on good terms now, then why are they trying to maim each other in a street fight? Why couldn't they just have changed it back to a straight up wrestling match? And as glad as I am to see Brock back, his return at the end of the match felt like a desperate hail mary. To deliver fans some shock-value and get them talking.
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Well triple tatti did say if something becomes predictable then you have to pivot… as if predictability now is a bad thing lol and every possible storyline hasn’t already been done in 50-60 years…

That was probably his moronic thinking, meaningless shock value. Explains why he decided to go over Booker T all those years ago- pivot for shock value 🤡

This face turn was one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

actually enjoyed the heel run except the rushed pacing of it, they should’ve built him turning back near the Paris event
 
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