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Suleiman said:
Well triple tatti did say if something becomes predictable then you have to pivot… as if predictability now is a bad thing lol and every possible storyline hasn’t already been done in 50-60 years…

That was probably his moronic thinking, meaningless shock value. Explains why he decided to go over Booker T all those years ago- pivot for shock value 🤡

This face turn was one of the worst I’ve ever seen.

actually enjoyed the heel run except the rushed pacing of it, they should’ve built him turning back near the Paris event
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For me the heel turn just kept getting worse with each passing week. The WrestleMania main-event was probably the peak. Overall, in retrospect I don't think it was very good beyond the shock value of the moment. The Rock taking his ball and running off to Hollywood was a big reason why. But even the promos (besides a few which were fantastic) didn't really deliver for me. What's done is done though. And I just hope they can stick the landing and give me a good send-off.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
you know what the scary part is. Deep down inside, we all know that Seth is going to be Cena's final opponent and trips is going to book it like Vince was doing with the Big Dog Roman 10 years ago.
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Nah, I think he'll still be feuding till 2036

This is Triple H's way of getting his revenge on Punk
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It will more than likely bury Sami as a babyface. Especially if it's in Cena's hometown. I really don't see how it could work. Even if it isn't in Cena's hometown people will want to cheer Cena, but at the same time they wouldn't want to boo Sami. What will happen is Sami will come across as unpopular and minor league eventhough in such a situation anyone would want to cheer Cena.

Which is why Cena must wrestle an outright heel in his last match. So there is no confusion on who the fans should cheer and who they should boo.

Taker v Sting never happened. And I think there's a very good reason why. As Cornette once said, it's one of those matches that sounds good in everyone's head but probably would have very disappointing in execution considering how old both guys were in 2015.
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I meant to say retire how Taker and Sting did. By winning their final matches.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Nah, I think he'll still be feuding till 2036

This is Triple H's way of getting his revenge on Punk
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It actually scares me if we do get Seth vs Cena as his retirement match.
Dom would be a safe choice to be squashed by Cena.
Roman could actually counter the fans and play a sort of heel in that match. Roman has weathered the most hostile crowds
 
Fantasy booking WrestleMania 42:

  • Cody Rhodes (c) v Randy Orton - WWE Championship
  • Sami Zayn v Drew McIntyre (c) - World Heavyweight Championship
  • CM Punk v Kevin Owens
  • Brock Lesnar v Gunther
  • Rhea Ripley v Charlotte Flair v Becky Lynch - Women's Championshi
  • Roman Reigns v Jacob Fatu
  • L.A Knight v Ricky Saints
  • A.J Styles (c) v Chad Gable - IC Championship
  • Bron Breakker v Seth Rollins
  • Rey Mysterio & Dragon Lee (c) v Rey Fenix & Penta - World Tag Team Championship
  • US CHampionship Ladder match
  • Stephanie Vaquer v IYO Sky

Guys I don't know what to do with:

Jey Uso
Ilja Draganov
Finn Balor
Sheamus
Dominick Mysterio
Ludwig Kaiser
 
Cena’s heel run had so much potential, but it was a massive failure, thanks to Triple Fraud’s atrocious booking.

I don’t understand the point of two night PLEs. I get it with Wrestlemania, but with other PLEs, how hard is it to give us a compelling three hour show with 8-9 matches? Triple H can’t even book one night shows properly, but somehow he thinks he can do two night shows.
 
The_KING said:
Cena’s heel run had so much potential, but it was a massive failure, thanks to Triple Fraud’s atrocious booking.

I don’t understand the point of two night PLEs. I get it with Wrestlemania, but with other PLEs, how hard is it to give us a compelling three hour show with 8-9 matches? Triple H can’t even book one night shows properly, but somehow he thinks he can do two night shows.
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Worst thing about this guy is that he will try to take credit for every W and try to dodge anything that can put criticism on him.

Cena's entire promo on SD was about what a failure the turn was and H didn't miss any opportunity to throw Rock under the bus, eventhough Rock had a big hand in this turn failing..

Lesnar's return was John Cena's idea because god forbid someone try to put the blame on the booker lol.

I'm sure I'm missing instances where he did this
 
Suleiman said:
Enjoy Seth ruining raw for 2 years min like his dad triple k in his heavyweight champ reign
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Hoping Dwayne uses his backstage power and have any Samoan squash Seth for his title run. I can bear with Tonga Loa being champion more than suffering through another Seth's fail run.
 
Suleiman said:
Enjoy Seth ruining raw for 2 years min like his dad triple k in his heavyweight champ reign
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This is worse than the Reign of terror. Atleast the reign of terror had something positive come out of it: Batista emerging as a main-eventer.

Who the heck is Rollins going to elevate?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This is worse than the Reign of terror. Atleast the reign of terror had something positive come out of it: Batista emerging as a main-eventer.

Who the heck is Rollins going to elevate?
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Bron will be the batista this time.

But tbh he’s already ready to go. Already has the crowd behind him. Doesn’t need to be built up anymore. Should stab Seth in the back asap and be world champ.

But instead it will take Seth’s dad 3 years to make it happen
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Hoping Dwayne uses his backstage power and have any Samoan squash Seth for his title run. I can bear with Tonga Loa being champion more than suffering through another Seth's fail run.
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There’s like 10 different wrestlers on RAW who would make the world heavyweight run far more interesting than this cringe guy. No joke.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Nearly killed Sting, dislocated Finn Balor's shoulder robbing him of his first World title reign, took serious liberties with Roman at the Royal Rumble and now this.

Also, when Bret Hart calls somebody "unsafe", I take him at his word.
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I got the quote of him calling the cringe lord dangerous & unsafe, framed on my wall
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You know I was literally watching this match thinking what a great Bret Hart tribute the match was and then these two literally started putting each other in sharp shooters and Punk actually even reversed a sharpshooter into a sharpshooter, which looked so cool and I haven't seen anyone do before.

It thought they put on an instant classic. Maybe my favorite match of the year so far. It was so deliberately paced and methodical. At the start, it was basically a squash match and they did so well to put over Gunther's dominance and telling the story of Punk, the hardened vet just being out of his depth against a beast like Gunther. Then when Punk started to turn the tide it just got even better. The finishing stretch of this match was simply incredible. Punk was so believable as David dragging himself back into the match against Goliath. The blood was a wonderful touch. You absolutely needed that. And then Punk won. And it was a great moment. It was very short-lived, but it was a great moment. What happened after that, happened. But I think that bull$hit shouldn't take away from how good this match was.

Kudos to Wade Barrett btw, who was excellent on commentary in this match.
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I was watching the match and thought this could be your MOTY, I think outside a minority like us, very few will truly appreciate it, by WWE standards it was a breath of fresh air, and a similar approach was taken as in AEW for Punk who had the freedom to produce his own matches & it felt like that here, they just let them thankfully do their own thing. When you look at wrestling blurring the lines between fiction & reality, this was it, everything about this match felt like a shoot and simulated an actual fight, that’s what’s missing big time today. You couldn’t have summed it up any better.

Wade is fantastic, Cole on the other hand was a million times better when Vince was shouting down his mic, he is such a flop under H and makes way too many mistakes.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Cena's heel run was an epic failure. And I think the weird way in which he turned back babyface on SmackDown was probably them admitting it. Eventhough it was a good match, the psychology just felt off. If these guys are both babyfaces and on good terms now, then why are they trying to maim each other in a street fight? Why couldn't they just have changed it back to a straight up wrestling match? And as glad as I am to see Brock back, his return at the end of the match felt like a desperate hail mary. To deliver fans some shock-value and get them talking.
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I think his turn will age better, I took a slightly different view because he got heat from all corners of the fanbase and the whole set-up was unexpected and a genuinely creative way to turn heel. People perhaps wanted Hogan 97, but if he gave us that, it would have been cheered, in an age when faces & heels mean less and less, I liked that they actually cared about generating heat, it was much better for Cody that way to when it comes to the business off getting him over. I liked that they kept the same presentation of the character, each week the segments were intriguing and when you consider his December retirement which is very real and the short-span they had to satisfy us smarks, I think they’ve done really well. And I said this when Cody beat on him a few weeks ago, I actually thought he turned face because who is Cody for beating up a guy expressing mental health issues? Cena was showing his two-minds during his turn & used Rock/Travis ghosting him to great effect as well.

And on the maim each other dynamic, am glad you mention this because I just posted why the face & heel respect is no longer exists, this is why for guys like me & you, Gunther/Punk was the best match at SS this year, it’s just the name of the game across the board and not just in WWE, they don’t respect the characters enough. For me though, because Cody attacked Cena the way he did a few weeks earlier and has been showing heel like aggression, I accepted Cena in the face role for this match and it made for a much better experience that way & it was a good send off for him at the World Championship level and there were some nice career call back spots for Cena as well.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Cena just keeps getting better as he sheds off his ring rust. His in ring performances keep getting better and better in this run.
I am actually fine with his farewell run being a greatest hits collection. Brock and AJ will hopefully be the next 2 challengers.
Although it looks impossible, but would be great for Edge and Bryan to come for one final feud with cena while we are at it.
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I told you guys, at his age you get better with ring activity and I had no doubt
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
For me the heel turn just kept getting worse with each passing week. The WrestleMania main-event was probably the peak. Overall, in retrospect I don't think it was very good beyond the shock value of the moment. The Rock taking his ball and running off to Hollywood was a big reason why. But even the promos (besides a few which were fantastic) didn't really deliver for me. What's done is done though. And I just hope they can stick the landing and give me a good send-off.
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I will concede the execution could have been better but put that down to H’s incompetence due to the external affairs, in the ring Cena did a terrific job, wouldn’t surprise me if H wanted to sabotage him going by some of the exchanges they had on Unreal.
 
Suleiman said:
Bron will be the batista this time.

But tbh he’s already ready to go. Already has the crowd behind him. Doesn’t need to be built up anymore. Should stab Seth in the back asap and be world champ.

But instead it will take Seth’s dad 3 years to make it happen
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Both Reed & Bron looked like a million dollars without Seth who would be much better utilised in NXT, then again, if he injures everyone there will be no stars left for the future.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
This seth run is worse than Roman's big dogs push. Atleast Roman was wrestling every week and giving good matches back then. His feuds with Bray, Braun and later on Cena were awesome.
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Roman always delivered with what he was given, the main challenge was the timing of his push & presentation which the fans were vocal about, but he always came across as a star, Roman at his so called worst was a million times better then any version of Seth
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Fantasy booking WrestleMania 42:

  • Cody Rhodes (c) v Randy Orton - WWE Championship
  • Sami Zayn v Drew McIntyre (c) - World Heavyweight Championship
  • CM Punk v Kevin Owens
  • Brock Lesnar v Gunther
  • Rhea Ripley v Charlotte Flair v Becky Lynch - Women's Championshi
  • Roman Reigns v Jacob Fatu
  • L.A Knight v Ricky Saints
  • A.J Styles (c) v Chad Gable - IC Championship
  • Bron Breakker v Seth Rollins
  • Rey Mysterio & Dragon Lee (c) v Rey Fenix & Penta - World Tag Team Championship
  • US CHampionship Ladder match
  • Stephanie Vaquer v IYO Sky

Guys I don't know what to do with:

Jey Uso
Ilja Draganov
Finn Balor
Sheamus
Dominick Mysterio
Ludwig Kaiser
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Guys I don't know what to do with:

Jey Uso
Ilja Draganov
Finn Balor
Sheamus
Dominick Mysterio
Ludwig Kaiser


I may have just one excellent idea for you, why don’t you stick them all in a TLC :yk3
 
I watched all of Night 1 but missed the opener, I’ve never been so disinterested in an undercard in any PPV/PLE for a while. So I can only really comment on the main-event which I have & it was special and made up for the deplorable card; a very strong 4.65/5

On Night 2 I only watched three matches:

The TLC: A decent car crash, never expected much, just a spot-fest, it made me appreciate the Hardy’s & the Dudleys at ring-side even more because there was a method to their madness and you cared for the personalities, but the talent in this match had to deal with Triple Doofus as their booker, again, never expected much from it: 3/5

Dom vs AJ Styles: Not given enough time, the production of this match was very limited, it was great while it lasted and these are the kind of matches which Dom needs to get over ultimately, but on PPV, they did a disservice to AJ Styles and the fans, these two have had much better matches on regular TV. They did well for the time they were given but should have been allowed a bit more freedom really. 3.6/5

Cody vs Cena: Look, this had all the bells & whistles, Cena proved he can still go at a high level, I loved the call backs to all his legendary spots and the match had great flow, yes they did go overboard with the finishers but the execution was good, it was a stadium show & the fans got what they wanted, if anything, we were extremely lucky to get that Gunther/Punk match in a stadium really because that match was for the enthusiasts opposed to a larger audience. This was a fun match to see however and my favourite spot was Cody hitting the piledriver, I liked the idea of using the move in a street-fight, they could have continued that throwback formula but the modern audience would always respond more to the kind of match they had here. 4.35/5
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Gunther v Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 42 is gonna be epic.
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Apparently Brock came back because Cena managed to persuade him. Brock contrary to belief is an emotional guy, and he was swayed by the sentiment of being one of the old school guys who Cena wanted to work with having literally started together all those years ago on SD. No chance was Brock coming back for 4/10, who actually respects him in this business like really respects him, I don’t know, but we’ve already seen how terrible H is at managing big personalities & guys who are much bigger stars.

It’s possible that combined with H’s ineptness & some of the idiot woke fans out there, that Brock has come back just to work with Cena? And it’s up to management to try and figure out a way to keep him around for longer, well I hope they have or will do anyway.

But it wont shock me if Brock disappears after this.
 
Suleiman said:
Bron will be the batista this time.

But tbh he’s already ready to go. Already has the crowd behind him. Doesn’t need to be built up anymore. Should stab Seth in the back asap and be world champ.

But instead it will take Seth’s dad 3 years to make it happen
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Exactly. Bron is already ready to go. Say what you will about H but Batista needed that feud with him to get over. And for once in his life Triple H put over someone well 3/3 times. 2 of which were clean victories for Batista.

Triple H was also more hated for real life reasons. Fans resented the push he was getting because of nepotism and how he was politicking to bury wrestlers.

Rollins is just a bland, charisma vacuum with zero personality so in that sense he is actually worse than H because he doesn't even have real heat. Yet we are supposed to buy him as the baddest heel in the company
 
Rafale Nidhal said:
Seth will marry Triple H daughter someday. that's the plan
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Or maybe he is secretly married to Triple H himself? After reading some of your insightful posts, I reckon they did the Las Vegas drive thru marriage, I am just trying to figure out whether H was drunk or if it was Seth 🤔 Or maybe they were both wide awake, who knows :yk
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Exactly. Bron is already ready to go. Say what you will about H but Batista needed that feud with him to get over. And for once in his life Triple H put over someone well 3/3 times. 2 of which were clean victories for Batista.

Triple H was also more hated for real life reasons. Fans resented the push he was getting because of nepotism and how he was politicking to bury wrestlers.

Rollins is just a bland, charisma vacuum with zero personality so in that sense he is actually worse than H because he doesn't even have real heat. Yet we are supposed to buy him as the baddest heel in the company
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Bro, don’t insult Vacuums please, my Henry has more personality then Seth, he has been robbed off the push which the cringe lord is getting:

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The most talented thing about Seth is his wife, Becky Lynch, who I think is brilliant. She absolutely cooked Nikki Bella, who is another talentless hack who furthered her career by dating John Cena. As if we needed the Bella twins back in WWE in 2025. :mad:
 
shaz619 said:
I was watching the match and thought this could be your MOTY, I think outside a minority like us, very few will truly appreciate it, by WWE standards it was a breath of fresh air, and a similar approach was taken as in AEW for Punk who had the freedom to produce his own matches & it felt like that here, they just let them thankfully do their own thing. When you look at wrestling blurring the lines between fiction & reality, this was it, everything about this match felt like a shoot and simulated an actual fight, that’s what’s missing big time today. You couldn’t have summed it up any better.

Wade is fantastic, Cole on the other hand was a million times better when Vince was shouting down his mic, he is such a flop under H and makes way too many mistakes.
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Matches like these really are few and far between in WWE these days. Honestly, I had no real expectations from this PLE besides this match, so in that sense I can't say I was disappointed because it was a brilliant match. Really hope we see these two run it back somewhere down the line. I also find it ironic that all of Punk's World title reigns since he returned to wrestling have been remarkably short. First time he gets the belt, he gets injured in the most innocuous way, then he returns from injury and wins it again, but now has to beat some sense into a couple of children pretending to be EVPs. Then he gets to WWE but now the booker thinks his pet dog should have the belt instead. Why can't we just get a decent CM Punk World title reign?

It's honestly hard to tell with Cole. He's been there so long I feel like he's working on auto-pilot at this point. I heard him say that he streams baseball matches on his phone during RAW. Which I found quite funny, because I doubt his commentary would be any different even if he was fully focused on commentating. I'm sure he's a very nice guy in real life, but Cole to me is the perfect example of how far kissing a$$ can get you in the corporate world. For context, he was very well-liked by Kevin Dunn, who I think even brought him on. Still, I am grateful that mark McAfee is gone these days. He is by far the worst of all.
 
shaz619 said:
I think his turn will age better, I took a slightly different view because he got heat from all corners of the fanbase and the whole set-up was unexpected and a genuinely creative way to turn heel. People perhaps wanted Hogan 97, but if he gave us that, it would have been cheered, in an age when faces & heels mean less and less, I liked that they actually cared about generating heat, it was much better for Cody that way to when it comes to the business off getting him over. I liked that they kept the same presentation of the character, each week the segments were intriguing and when you consider his December retirement which is very real and the short-span they had to satisfy us smarks, I think they’ve done really well. And I said this when Cody beat on him a few weeks ago, I actually thought he turned face because who is Cody for beating up a guy expressing mental health issues? Cena was showing his two-minds during his turn & used Rock/Travis ghosting him to great effect as well.

And on the maim each other dynamic, am glad you mention this because I just posted why the face & heel respect is no longer exists, this is why for guys like me & you, Gunther/Punk was the best match at SS this year, it’s just the name of the game across the board and not just in WWE, they don’t respect the characters enough. For me though, because Cody attacked Cena the way he did a few weeks earlier and has been showing heel like aggression, I accepted Cena in the face role for this match and it made for a much better experience that way & it was a good send off for him at the World Championship level and there were some nice career call back spots for Cena as well.
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For me, the heel turn just hasn't resonated. But am glad that you and @Suleiman were able to get something out of this.

TBH, this is something that annoys me most about modern wrestling. People genuinely believe that the babyface/heel dynamic doesn't matter anymore. At first I thought it was just morons like Jon Moxley and Tony Khan, but I have heard people like Cody say this too. This is simply not true.

So Cody being aggressive and a tad bit heelish actually makes sense in storyline for me, because of the way in which he was beaten at WrestleMania. To put it simply, he was made to look like a foolish babyface who zero brains. So this feels like a response to that. Similar to what we saw in the KO feud, though there he was never made to look like a fool quite like he was in the Cena WrestleMania match.

I would have kept Cena as a heel going into this match and done exactly the same match they ended up doing. But at the end, I would have done the turn, followed by a short speech from Cena where he turns babyface without a shadow of a doubt. And then you have Brock show-up. I think that would have made more sense and worked better than what they ended up doing.
 
The_KING said:
The most talented thing about Seth is his wife, Becky Lynch, who I think is brilliant. She absolutely cooked Nikki Bella, who is another talentless hack who furthered her career by dating John Cena. As if we needed the Bella twins back in WWE in 2025. :mad:
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Last vestiges of the Diva era. I am amazed that they are presented as these legends of women's wrestling, just because they had some level of mainstream popularity and lame reality show that nobody watched.
 
shaz619 said:
Guys I don't know what to do with:

Jey Uso
Ilja Draganov
Finn Balor
Sheamus
Dominick Mysterio
Ludwig Kaiser


I may have just one excellent idea for you, why don’t you stick them all in a TLC :yk3
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I was thinking about it but I didn't want to do a Triple H. :wahab2

Remember they had 2 ladder matches planned for the IC and Championships at WrestleMania because they didn't know what to do with 12 guys at first lol.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Last vestiges of the Diva era. I am amazed that they are presented as these legends of women's wrestling, just because they had some level of mainstream popularity and lame reality show that nobody watched.
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Legends of Divas era would be AJ Lee, Paige. Even Undertaker's wife, whom I don't rate would be a bigger legend of the Divas era than The Bella Twins.
 
shaz619 said:
I watched all of Night 1 but missed the opener, I’ve never been so disinterested in an undercard in any PPV/PLE for a while. So I can only really comment on the main-event which I have & it was special and made up for the deplorable card; a very strong 4.65/5

On Night 2 I only watched three matches:

The TLC: A decent car crash, never expected much, just a spot-fest, it made me appreciate the Hardy’s & the Dudleys at ring-side even more because there was a method to their madness and you cared for the personalities, but the talent in this match had to deal with Triple Doofus as their booker, again, never expected much from it: 3/5

Dom vs AJ Styles: Not given enough time, the production of this match was very limited, it was great while it lasted and these are the kind of matches which Dom needs to get over ultimately, but on PPV, they did a disservice to AJ Styles and the fans, these two have had much better matches on regular TV. They did well for the time they were given but should have been allowed a bit more freedom really. 3.6/5

Cody vs Cena: Look, this had all the bells & whistles, Cena proved he can still go at a high level, I loved the call backs to all his legendary spots and the match had great flow, yes they did go overboard with the finishers but the execution was good, it was a stadium show & the fans got what they wanted, if anything, we were extremely lucky to get that Gunther/Punk match in a stadium really because that match was for the enthusiasts opposed to a larger audience. This was a fun match to see however and my favourite spot was Cody hitting the piledriver, I liked the idea of using the move in a street-fight, they could have continued that throwback formula but the modern audience would always respond more to the kind of match they had here. 4.35/5
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Full-credit to the guys in the TLC match. These guys worked their a$$es off. But watching this match just reminded me of how much these guys weren't The Hardys, Dudleyz or Edge & Christian.

It's the same as when Hollywood makes a really slick, big-budget remake of the classic. Oftentimes it isn't bad, but watching it just reminds you of how much better the original was.
 
shaz619 said:
Apparently Brock came back because Cena managed to persuade him. Brock contrary to belief is an emotional guy, and he was swayed by the sentiment of being one of the old school guys who Cena wanted to work with having literally started together all those years ago on SD. No chance was Brock coming back for 4/10, who actually respects him in this business like really respects him, I don’t know, but we’ve already seen how terrible H is at managing big personalities & guys who are much bigger stars.

It’s possible that combined with H’s ineptness & some of the idiot woke fans out there, that Brock has come back just to work with Cena? And it’s up to management to try and figure out a way to keep him around for longer, well I hope they have or will do anyway.

But it wont shock me if Brock disappears after this.
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I do wonder how much longer he will wrestle though. He is 48 and doesn't need the money, and has stated very clearly how much he doesn't like people or travelling. Eventhough I am sure he gets on a private jet to get to the show and then flies back as soon as his match is finished. SummerSlam 2026 is in his hometown. Could that be where he retires?

We are seeing the end of an era with the RA era guys slowly retiring. So may not be far-fetched to think the end may be near for him too.

But before that, we still need:

Brock v Gunther
Brock v Bron Breakker
Brock v Jacob Fatu
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I was thinking about it but I didn't want to do a Triple H. :wahab2

Remember they had 2 ladder matches planned for the IC and Championships at WrestleMania because they didn't know what to do with 12 guys at first lol.
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Nobody is getting over in a match like that, it’s even worse they had this match on Night 2 when you consider the main-event drama. Zero IQ from H.

You remember when Austin main-evented against KO? You see the Table bump in that match, it was the first of the night! And I bet Austin had a lot to do with that.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I do wonder how much longer he will wrestle though. He is 48 and doesn't need the money, and has stated very clearly how much he doesn't like people or travelling. Eventhough I am sure he gets on a private jet to get to the show and then flies back as soon as his match is finished. SummerSlam 2026 is in his hometown. Could that be where he retires?

We are seeing the end of an era with the RA era guys slowly retiring. So may not be far-fetched to think the end may be near for him too.

But before that, we still need:

Brock v Gunther
Brock v Bron Breakker
Brock v Jacob Fatu
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That would be a good event to retire at, seeing many already consider Lesnar Mr. SummerSlam as well, I know Shawn has a case to, and Lesnar has just killed it in every match he has ever had at the PPV.

If done right, Lesnar/Gunther could be match of the decade, that match alone is him worth coming back for. There are very few on his level, and it’s a shame they are burying AJ because he could have been another great opponent for him.

Another Punk match is a real possibility to. It all depends on how long he is around, I would guess though if he is here for a bit, they will probably have him work with Cody again & Gunther will be the one other guy due to the demand.
 
The_KING said:
The most talented thing about Seth is his wife, Becky Lynch, who I think is brilliant. She absolutely cooked Nikki Bella, who is another talentless hack who furthered her career by dating John Cena. As if we needed the Bella twins back in WWE in 2025. :mad:
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Nikki Bella was an excellent all round performer honestly, as champion she had improved massively and had great matches on PPV, her shtick worked as a heel as well and she became a good foil for the other face divas. Brie on the other hand, she was truly shocking, the worst women’s wrestler I’ve ever seen, I am sure she’s a nice lady and I felt bad saying it, but my God, when you go back you will give Nikki a lot more credit for carrying the dead weight that was her sister. You mentioned Paige before, in her prime she was something else, one of the greatest women’s technical wrestlers ever, she bought British strong style for the first time to North America, it’s sad, she was too too good too young man and paid the price. Paige & Emma started the women’s revolution in NXT.
 
shaz619 said:
Man we don’t know what we missed.

Watching him man handle some of the guys there I just thought, what a pro Lesnar is, the amount of lethal force he is capable off and he never hurt nobody…..…unintentionally :afridi

Just reinforced what a joke Seth is.
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Hope if Vince returns he lets Brock squash Seth and become WHC… one can hope he throws around cringe lord and hopefully he can stop wearing weird clothes after this beating
 
Suleiman said:
Hope if Vince returns he lets Brock squash Seth and become WHC… one can hope he throws around cringe lord and hopefully he can stop wearing weird clothes after this beating
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Honestly, there’s something weird going on with Seth backstage, some of the comments made by @Rafale Nidhal may be true. This guy squashed Lesnar at WM under Vince, it makes me wonder whether Seth is the go to guy to do all the favours which Pat Patterson use to do for senior management, either that or Seth must be a member of the illuminati or something, because he’s getting the reign of terror push without even plowing Stephanie; oh wait just a minute there…..Vince or H, Seth always has a free pass, ODD!
 
shaz619 said:
Nikki Bella was an excellent all round performer honestly, as champion she had improved massively and had great matches on PPV, her shtick worked as a heel as well and she became a good foil for the other face divas. Brie on the other hand, she was truly shocking, the worst women’s wrestler I’ve ever seen, I am sure she’s a nice lady and I felt bad saying it, but my God, when you go back you will give Nikki a lot more credit for carrying the dead weight that was her sister. You mentioned Paige before, in her prime she was something else, one of the greatest women’s technical wrestlers ever, she bought British strong style for the first time to North America, it’s sad, she was too too good too young man and paid the price. Paige & Emma started the women’s revolution in NXT.
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Yes, perhaps I was being a bit harsh on Nikka Bella. But Brie was awful. I must admit that I used to watch Total Divas back in the day, and I did like the Bellas on that show, but I never cared for them inside the WWE ring.

I hope to see Paige back in the WWE. She would do really well in the current era of women's wrestling.
 
shaz619 said:
Nobody is getting over in a match like that, it’s even worse they had this match on Night 2 when you consider the main-event drama. Zero IQ from H.

You remember when Austin main-evented against KO? You see the Table bump in that match, it was the first of the night! And I bet Austin had a lot to do with that.
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Another cardinal rule in wrestling. Which is why it pi$$ed me off so much that they had 3 No DQ matches on Night 2 before the main-event.

And even with the ladder matches, overdoing a match like that makes it lose its novelty factor. But what else can you expect from someone who books multiple 3 Way matches on every other ep of RAW and SD
 
shaz619 said:
That would be a good event to retire at, seeing many already consider Lesnar Mr. SummerSlam as well, I know Shawn has a case to, and Lesnar has just killed it in every match he has ever had at the PPV.

If done right, Lesnar/Gunther could be match of the decade, that match alone is him worth coming back for. There are very few on his level, and it’s a shame they are burying AJ because he could have been another great opponent for him.

Another Punk match is a real possibility to. It all depends on how long he is around, I would guess though if he is here for a bit, they will probably have him work with Cody again & Gunther will be the one other guy due to the demand.
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Lesnar v Cody with the belt on the line this time is a definite big money match. But Gunther is the match that absolutely needs to happen. It is the biggest 'dream match' in WWE right now
 
I can't put into words how much I hate this Seth Rollins faction. You got big Bronson Reed looking like a drug dealer with Roman’s sneakers around his neck, like he just sold some weed to high school kids before walking down to the ring. You got Bron Breakker on the other side looking like a goddamn nightclub bouncer. Paul Heyman probably hasn't seen days like these since the time he was managing that roided meathead Ryback. And in the middle of them all is the cringelord himself. Looking like an absolute idiot in his wife's clothes and shoes, thinking he is some kind of a fashion icon. Screaming at the top of his lungs like a clown and begging to be taken seriously.
 
Hopefully AJ wins the IC Championship in Paris. This is where we've come to....hoping he wins the main midcard belt. He is very well loved in France so I can see it happening.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I can't put into words how much I hate this Seth Rollins faction. You got big Bronson Reed looking like a drug dealer with Roman’s sneakers around his neck, like he just sold some weed to high school kids before walking down to the ring. You got Bron Breakker on the other side looking like a goddamn nightclub bouncer. Paul Heyman probably hasn't seen days like these since the time he was managing that roided meathead Ryback. And in the middle of them all is the cringelord himself. Looking like an absolute idiot in his wife's clothes and shoes, thinking he is some kind of a fashion icon. Screaming at the top of his lungs like a clown and begging to be taken seriously.
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Bron Breaker in this faction is like forcing a tiger to play with dolls and wear a dress

I really hoped that raw episode were Bron snatched the mic out of Seth’s hand would be the end of that cross dressing clown
 
Suleiman said:
Bron Breaker in this faction is like forcing a tiger to play with dolls and wear a dress

I really hoped that raw episode were Bron snatched the mic out of Seth’s hand would be the end of that cross dressing clown
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Even Bronson Reed is arguably the best big man in WWE right now. His level of athleticism for his size is quite remarkable. All three (Paul, Bron & Bron) are having their credibility ruined by being a part of this useless faction, that is basically just a vehicle for cringelord.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Full-credit to the guys in the TLC match. These guys worked their a$$es off. But watching this match just reminded me of how much these guys weren't The Hardys, Dudleyz or Edge & Christian.

It's the same as when Hollywood makes a really slick, big-budget remake of the classic. Oftentimes it isn't bad, but watching it just reminds you of how much better the original was.
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I am not sure but are Wyatt Sicks heels now?
 
shaz619 said:
I told you guys, at his age you get better with ring activity and I had no doubt
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I think how he handled that with his heel run is even better. Now as a face, he can wrestle at full tilt. The speed and intensity is back. I could see him resisting the urge to do that double AA. He'll probably bring it back during his last match or something.
 
shaz619 said:
Apparently Brock came back because Cena managed to persuade him. Brock contrary to belief is an emotional guy, and he was swayed by the sentiment of being one of the old school guys who Cena wanted to work with having literally started together all those years ago on SD. No chance was Brock coming back for 4/10, who actually respects him in this business like really respects him, I don’t know, but we’ve already seen how terrible H is at managing big personalities & guys who are much bigger stars.

It’s possible that combined with H’s ineptness & some of the idiot woke fans out there, that Brock has come back just to work with Cena? And it’s up to management to try and figure out a way to keep him around for longer, well I hope they have or will do anyway.

But it wont shock me if Brock disappears after this.
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If Cena can convince Brock to come back, he surely can pitch the idea of getting Edge back for one night maybe? He afterall is the one who was the Piper to Cena's Hogan from 2006-08
 
@shaz619 As JC would say himself, sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

Have to admit, Meltzer was right on this one, and Jim got worked. Although the stupid smark way in which this angle was executed, didn't really help anyone. Least of whom LA Knight. The win against Rollins basically means nothing for him. Even a countout or DQ victory would have meant more.

 
BunnyRabbit said:
If Cena can convince Brock to come back, he surely can pitch the idea of getting Edge back for one night maybe? He afterall is the one who was the Piper to Cena's Hogan from 2006-08
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Actually Cena has rebuffed Triple H's comments. @shaz619 @Suleiman @The_KING Looks like Pinocchio is back to old tricks. No wonder that nose keeps getting bigger and bigger... :kp

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John Cena implies Brock Lesnar’s WWE return wasn’t on his final year wishlist

Triple H indicated it was, but the retiring legend says, “they deal ’em, I play ’em.”
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RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 As JC would say himself, sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

Have to admit, Meltzer was right on this one, and Jim got worked. Although the stupid smark way in which this angle was executed, didn't really help anyone. Least of whom LA Knight. The win against Rollins basically means nothing for him. Even a countout or DQ victory would have meant more.

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With JC he is out of touch with dirt sheets, rumours & modern gimmicks such as MITB, he also gives H more respect then he deserves. And in his world, the whole angle was beyond absurd, we actually agreed that H is dumb enough to book something so ridiculous and pathetic so we saw it coming, maybe Dave on this occasion had a good insider but as @Rafale Nidhal mentioned, H has been giving Seth some special treatment so it wasn’t without possibility that the Cringe Lord was going to be out his sight. The super recovery from injury can be done so much better when it’s genuine & you keep it all under wraps, H leaked it thinking he’s some genius & for the twitter likes, half the time on Unreal the dweeb is on his phone, I actually think that Stephanie would do much better because she cares about the business more than herself; did you see her reaction to Chelsea Green winning the title? she said am so happy for her, then that stooge Vampire said what was that? she repeated it and he replied ‘oh right’, H meanwhile ignored the whole thing because he was too busy admiring himself on the phone.

Bro they could have done the injury so many ways but they went out of their way to make LA Knight look like a chump.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Actually Cena has rebuffed Triple H's comments. @shaz619 @Suleiman @The_KING Looks like Pinocchio is back to old tricks. No wonder that nose keeps getting bigger and bigger... :kp

www.cagesideseats.com

John Cena implies Brock Lesnar’s WWE return wasn’t on his final year wishlist

Triple H indicated it was, but the retiring legend says, “they deal ’em, I play ’em.”
www.cagesideseats.com www.cagesideseats.com
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You got there before me, I was going to post that just now LOL H can’t play these games with the Dr. of Thuganomics :akhtar
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Actually Cena has rebuffed Triple H's comments. @shaz619 @Suleiman @The_KING Looks like Pinocchio is back to old tricks. No wonder that nose keeps getting bigger and bigger... :kp

www.cagesideseats.com

John Cena implies Brock Lesnar’s WWE return wasn’t on his final year wishlist

Triple H indicated it was, but the retiring legend says, “they deal ’em, I play ’em.”
www.cagesideseats.com www.cagesideseats.com
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On this occasion, even we got worked by the true intentions of the snake, and majority of fans don’t know half of what a kanjjar H is.
 
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