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BouncerGuy said:
Kennedy had behavioral issues, like he did not care much about safety etc... Once heard Orton mention an incident where Kennedy injured him and fought carelessly.
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There are plenty of wrestlers who have messed up in the ring. That's no reason to fire someone.

Atleast Kennedy never ended someone's career by being unsafe in the ring like Goldberg ended Bret Hart's career.

Seth Rollins dislocated Finn Balor's shoulder and nearly killed Sting with the same move. And not only is he allowed to still use that move, but he has been pushed to the moon since.
 
shaz619 said:
That incident in isolation was blown out of proportion & Orton did a Hogan by complaining, but I am not sure about other issues with Kennedy from around that time which could have led to his firing.
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He seems like someone who was blunt and outspoken. And unless you ae a big star that always rubs "the office" the wrong way. We all saw how Punk was treated for years before the pipebomb. And even that wouldn't have happened if Punk wasn't okay with continuing to be in the same position.
 
shaz619 said:
I mean I hate they are wasting a Cena match on that turd, at best Logan Paul is like a Temu version of Chelsea Green, it will be a travesty if they ever push him to the top. But at the same time, it makes me feel a little better about AJ Styles vs Logan Paul, because it this all seems more like a focussed effort to get the turd over opposed to just throwing AJ under the buss at Mania, I mean they still do it, but there’s a clear project to keep Logan in the limelight. Look he got the character and is a good heel, but that’s all he will ever be & in the ring he is bang average, so there’s a place for people like this in the mid-card, so as long as he is there I am fine, but Cena deserves better than this.
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It just amazes me that of all the guys they have on the roster, this is the guy they decide should get this push. AJ might win the IC CHmapionship in Paris. Then H will hold that over everyone's head till AJ's retirement as his example of pushing AJ.
 
shaz619 said:
He was so over with every portion of the fanbase & we were all riding his bandwagon, without a doubt a favourite of mine from the RA era. Didn’t the Orton incident occur well after he won the MITB?

If that was the case, then I would say that his injury was more crushing, say Mr. Kenney doesn’t get injured and actually manages to hold onto the briefcase until WM 24, which was the plan and it would have been really interested to see how that would have gone! (There was a countdown clock for his cash-in on WWE.com? don’t know how I remember that 🤣, I must have looked at it weekly).

Say he actually managed to cash-in & become world champion, there’s a strong possibility that if the Orton incident did occur after that, then Kennedy would have some influence within the company that would prevent his firing, maybe he’d drop the belt worse case, but by then if Kenny was a success during his championship run then I feel it would have given him leverage.
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As far as his push was concerned, the injury was definitely the biggest factor for him not becoming World Champion. But I think the Orton incident, combined with his backstage perception probably led to his exit from the company. When the Benoit incident happened he went on TV and was very honest admitting to using prescription pain-killers, which I'm sure didn't help his standing within the company either.

Still at the end of the day, it was a potentially great career wasted. He had such a unique gimmick and was such a great heel. I would have loved to see him hold the briefcase for a year. Think things tarted going downhill for him once he movd to RAW.

The saddest thing of all is that the injury was misdiagnosed. It was not a serious injury and he was back after a very short time. But they had already made him lose the briefcase to Edge. What I don't understand is why he couldn't have held on to the briefcase. Even if he was injured long-term. Would have made the cash-in even better.

I've listened to some of his interviews, and he mostly blames himself. Even for the Orton thing. Though I'm not sure I agree with him. Ironically enough, he and Orton were friends prior to the incident.
 
The Undertaker worked with alot of trash during that era. Heidenreich, Luther Reigns, Great Khali...

The fact that Kennedy worked multiple PPV matches with him and managed to get two wins over him shows that not only was Taker willing to work with him, but they saw him as a future star too.

This guy on Reddit also questions Orton's accusation that Kennedy hurt him:

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RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 @Suleiman @The_KING @BunnyRabbit @Rafale Nidhal
Stevie talks alot of sense. And he would know H considering he was on RAW during the peak of the reign of terror :ashwin

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Man, I used to be a Triple H fan, but growing up is realising is that childhood heroes aren't what you thought them to be.

The reality is that Triple H has always been a mark for him. This guy had more backing than any other superstar that I can remember. Vince tried everything in his power to get him over, from pairing him up with Mr Perfect & Chyna to putting him in stables like DX, Evolution and The Authority, but he could never get over or could never get over enough. Triple H was never on the level of Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, CM Punk, John Cena, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Batista etc. But he worked endlessly with all of these top stars, and it is true that Triple H doesn't draw money himself, rather he works with guys who drew money.

But the thing that has really turned me off Triple H is his behaviour after he took over from Vince as the head of creative. Every show, we are reminded of the fact that it is now the "Paul Levesque Show." He opened the show on both nights of Summerslam. Every time someones wins a title, Triple H has to take a picture with them and post it on his social media pages. This MFer wants to make everything about him and it pisses me off. Even the new netflix show WWE Unreal was designed to get Triple H over. This clown doesn't realise that it isn't about him anymore and nobody wants to see him in 2025.

I know when Vince was head of creative, he was involved in storylines and had matches, but Vince never made it about himself. He was willing to humiliate himself to get the wrestler that he working with at that time. Vince didn't even induct himself in the hall of fame, when he could have done it 30 years ago. But this fool Triple H gets himself inducted in the hall of fame right away, and pretended that he knew nothing about his hall of fame induction. Despite his flaws, Vince truly loved the business and especially WWE. Triple H only loves himself.

I just wish Triple H goes away. Watching WWE is unbearable with this fool at the helm.
 
The_KING said:
Man, I used to be a Triple H fan, but growing up is realising is that childhood heroes aren't what you thought them to be.

The reality is that Triple H has always been a mark for him. This guy had more backing than any other superstar that I can remember. Vince tried everything in his power to get him over, from pairing him up with Mr Perfect & Chyna to putting him in stables like DX, Evolution and The Authority, but he could never get over or could never get over enough. Triple H was never on the level of Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, CM Punk, John Cena, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Batista etc. But he worked endlessly with all of these top stars, and it is true that Triple H doesn't draw money himself, rather he works with guys who drew money.

But the thing that has really turned me off Triple H is his behaviour after he took over from Vince as the head of creative. Every show, we are reminded of the fact that it is now the "Paul Levesque Show." He opened the show on both nights of Summerslam. Every time someones wins a title, Triple H has to take a picture with them and post it on his social media pages. This MFer wants to make everything about him and it pisses me off. Even the new netflix show WWE Unreal was designed to get Triple H over. This clown doesn't realise that it isn't about him anymore and nobody wants to see him in 2025.

I know when Vince was head of creative, he was involved in storylines and had matches, but Vince never made it about himself. He was willing to humiliate himself to get the wrestler that he working with at that time. Vince didn't even induct himself in the hall of fame, when he could have done it 30 years ago. But this fool Triple H gets himself inducted in the hall of fame right away, and pretended that he knew nothing about his hall of fame induction. Despite his flaws, Vince truly loved the business and especially WWE. Triple H only loves himself.

I just wish Triple H goes away. Watching WWE is unbearable with this fool at the helm.
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Triple H reminds me of ICC chairman (Jay Shah). Always wants the spotlight. LOL.
 
I will always dislike Randy for getting Mr Kennedy fired. Kennedy had more charisma in his little pinky than Orton had in his entire body.

I was a big fan of Kennedy. I remember mimicking his entrance as a kid. It is a shame that he never won the world title and was released unfairly.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yes.

It didn't seem like Randy was hurt much. I think Randy just didn't like Kennedy and wanted him fired.

I am surprised Vince didn't defend Kennedy (a rising superstar at that time).
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Orton was going through a very popular heel run at the time, and as an established star was more important to them. I've also heard that he got Cena to go along with him as Cena had supposedly gotten injured in a match with Kennedy before No Mercy, which kept him out for a year till he returned at Rumble 2008. Though looking at that match, Cena tore his pec off a hip-toss, one of the most basics moves in the book, so I'm not sure how you can blame him there either.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Orton was going through a very popular heel run at the time, and as an established star was more important to them. I've also heard that he got Cena to go along with him as Cena had supposedly gotten injured in a match with Kennedy before No Mercy, which kept him out for a year till he returned at Rumble 2008. Though looking at that match, Cena tore his pec off a hip-toss, one of the most basics moves in the book, so I'm not sure how you can blame him there either.
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We can always right these wrongs in the SvR PSP games, Kennedy was my go to pick in the 2007 game, which annoyingly has a giant turd on the cover
 
Triple H and his merry band of writer stooges strike again. Now that they've shown who all these dopes are in their own documentary show, I think they are fair game and just as complicit in all this as H himself.

What's amazing is how they just can't tolerate someone who gets over on their own. Sami Zayn, LA Knight, R-Truth, Karrion Kross.

I'm not a huge fan of Kross or anything but fact is, he got over on his own. The fans wanted that. Look at R-Truth. After Triple H was made to look like a clown and was forced and bring him back, now he has turned back into a comedy character too.

His ego just can't tolerate the fans thinking of themselves and supporting someone who isn't being shoved down their throars. And then he has the gall to talk about "pivoting." Vince was known for doing the same alot of times when he got to his senile stage. Not pushing Cesaro is probably one of the best examples. But he wasn't a hypocrite like H, who tries to project himself as this revolutionary wrestling thinker who wants what's best for the fans. He's just an idiot who doesn't understand anything about wrestling or booking despite being in the business for all his adult life.

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WWE News: Karrion Kross says he was told by ‘certain people’ not to acknowledge fan support

Kross opened up about the fan response he was getting prior to his contract expiring.
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Triple H and his merry band of writer stooges strike again. Now that they've shown who all these dopes are in their own documentary show, I think they are fair game and just as complicit in all this as H himself.

What's amazing is how they just can't tolerate someone who gets over on their own. Sami Zayn, LA Knight, R-Truth, Karrion Kross.

I'm not a huge fan of Kross or anything but fact is, he got over on his own. The fans wanted that. Look at R-Truth. After Triple H was made to look like a clown and was forced and bring him back, now he has turned back into a comedy character too.

His ego just can't tolerate the fans thinking of themselves and supporting someone who isn't being shoved down their throars. And then he has the gall to talk about "pivoting." Vince was known for doing the same alot of times when he got to his senile stage. Not pushing Cesaro is probably one of the best examples. But he wasn't a hypocrite like H, who tries to project himself as this revolutionary wrestling thinker who wants what's best for the fans. He's just an idiot who doesn't understand anything about wrestling or booking despite being in the business for all his adult life.

www.f4wonline.com

WWE News: Karrion Kross says he was told by ‘certain people’ not to acknowledge fan support

Kross opened up about the fan response he was getting prior to his contract expiring.
www.f4wonline.com www.f4wonline.com
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If am honest with you, I do think any fresh face deserves a push; but I just don’t see Kross as a main-eventer, he has never been a top guy anywhere he has wrestled & I don’t see it in his ring work either, he takes bumps kinda awkwardly as well. However, I see star quality all over Scarlett & I fear Kross has hindered her potential more then anything, they are like a Marc Mero / Sable duo, except H will never have the foresight to book an angle like that or have the instinct to understand who truly can make money.

My read of the Kross thing is this, I feel this whole contract / backstage issues thing is a worked shoot which is too manufactured for me, Kross is another H project and I find it hard ti buy anything into him not being on their agenda, the only possibility could be that because he is getting over with smarks that he doesn’t want to pull the trigger, but I am not sure really. The whole shoot thing has been done so unbelievably poorly though, CM Punk managed to do it really well in the indies on a much smaller ROH budget, H is so out of his depth, he is reinforcing the view he would be nothing in this business without his politicking.

At some point in an angle like this, you need that big breakout moment, and they’ve been dragging this out so long that I am surprised people still care, so I guess I will give Kross some credit for keeping people interested in him, because H hasn’t done anything on that front, he may do, but who knows what he has in his diary and what year, it has been months since that promo after Mania.

Again, I am not too upset about it because I just think Kross is bang average and I am still too disappointed with how they’ve been treating LA Knight, Sami, Kevin Owens, AJ Styles, Orton, Bron, Chad Gable, Drew, Nakamura, Ciampa, Gunther, Pete Dunn & Tyler Bate.
 
Scarlett has the most watched segment in AAA history, and was booked a million times better in a TNA that hadn’t been revamped like it has now. I think there’s huge potential with her in-ring career, but if I ignore that for a sec, she’s one of the best managers / valet’s in wrestling, she’s entirely responsible for the following Kross has right now and is not appreciated enough for her excellent work.

I kind off see her in a similar light as Alexa Bliss but with a higher ceiling in the ring, and Alexa has achieved a lot! Alexa started out as a valet to in NXT, and in those days, she was so good as a heel manager, she reminded me of Sheri Martel, I feel like Scarlett has an aura which is similar, and there’s this dark and twisted side which isn’t completely realised, lately they’ve kept her in the background because they know it’s too easy for the audience to forget about Kross if she is in the limelight.
 
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