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Suleiman said:
Rock hurt his reputation in that 11-13 run.

The AE/RA and final boss run before the strange “I want your soul”nonsense was all time great stuff.
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Final Boss, as good as it was didn't have the natural Dwayne we grew up loving. Like it was a great character, but it didn't have those segments with him just having fun and destroying others with his promos and antics.
And he was actually pretty fine as an actor till around Fast Five. Even played againt type in Pain and Gain and Faster. It was when he found success, he really started becoming a weirdo.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
As an in ring performer, he was just as good as he was when he graduated to that level later on. His matches with Angle, Brock and Randy are very underrated from that time. His character needed refining which struck gold with rated r gimmick.
Edge, RVD and Jeff Hardy used to be my three favorite mid carders in RA era.
Edge also had a pretty fun tag team run with Rey and later Hogan. Edge vs Randy at Vengeance for IC title is an underrated classic.
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Edge vs Randy at Vengeance. I remember that match. Great match.

Edge won it and became the IC champion.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Austin also refused to drop the title to Paul so Vince had to put it on Foley for a day or two if i remember correctly.
Austin doesn't like Trips and for a good reason.
Think Dwayne is one person he'll listen to. But Dwayne didn't come to Broken Skull Sessions despite being requested by Austin years ago.
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He refused to job to Brock Lesnar too, which led to the infamous 'walking out' incident. And TBH when you listen to Austin's reasoning it does make sense. He didn't necessarily have a problem with putting Lesnar over but felt it needed to be done the right way, rather than on just another second or third round match in the KOTR. He's fiercely protective of his character and that's why he stands head and shoulders above every other star they've had even to this day.
 
shaz619 said:
Mox just such a waste, then again he was never going to bend over for H like Seth; how can any idiot compare this guy with Shawn, he’s so overrated, Meltzer should bring the Triple H award back.
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You know there is alot to admire about Mox. It's just his taste in wrestling and what he thinks is good that just really disappoints you. When it comes to instincts, look, promo skills, even his ability to work (when he works like an actual wrestler), he blows Seth out of the water.

Even his outlook on life....like Seth would have never left WWE if he was in the same position as Mox was in 2019. But Mox was unhappy with the way he was being booked and decided to leave for New Japan, rather than raking in the paycheck which he could have if he wanted to.
 
shaz619 said:
Whos dinner did she steal? I never had a issue with her besides how dreadful her booking was under H
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Haha yeah I was taken aback by Bunny's comment too. Personally, I think she's been good for the women's wrestling on the whole. Added some much needed legitimacy with her MMA background and brought some eyeballs and fan interest with her star power
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Haha yeah I was taken aback by Bunny's comment too. Personally, I think she's been good for the women's wrestling on the whole. Added some much needed legitimacy with her MMA background and brought some eyeballs and fan interest with her star power
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Women were never going to main-event a mania without her, I always felt it would be Flair & Charlotte; Ronda did wonders for women’s wrestling in showing they can be draws through her MMA career, you could argue she planted the seems for the women’s revolution across combat sports, without her Katie Taylor doesn’t headline MSG against Amanda Serrano and women in the WWE do not main-event a one night mania which is crazy in itself. She bought great legitimacy to the division & was a breath of fresh air, essentially the female Lesnar and I really liked her work during the first couple of years, also enjoyed her beat up the cuck H at WM, that tag-match involving Angle was excellent, I went to a few house shows around that time which she headlined, she did great business for the company until the relationship grew sour under H & she basically lost interest after that. A generational talent such as her is an asset to any promotion really, and the doofus completely diluted her IT factor, I am pretty sure she rubbed the cuck the wrong way?
 
shaz619 said:
Women were never going to main-event a mania without her, I always felt it would be Flair & Charlotte; Ronda did wonders for women’s wrestling in showing they can be draws through her MMA career, you could argue she planted the seems for the women’s revolution across combat sports, without her Katie Taylor doesn’t headline MSG against Amanda Serrano and women in the WWE do not main-event a one night mania which is crazy in itself. She bought great legitimacy to the division & was a breath of fresh air, essentially the female Lesnar and I really liked her work during the first couple of years, also enjoyed her beat up the cuck H at WM, that tag-match involving Angle was excellent, I went to a few house shows around that time which she headlined, she did great business for the company until the relationship grew sour under H & she basically lost interest after that. A generational talent such as her is an asset to any promotion really, and the doofus completely diluted her IT factor, I am pretty sure she rubbed the cuck the wrong way?
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Ronda & Charlotte*

Though am sure Vince would have booked Ric vs his daughter if someone put the idea in his head
 
shaz619 said:
Women were never going to main-event a mania without her, I always felt it would be Flair & Charlotte; Ronda did wonders for women’s wrestling in showing they can be draws through her MMA career, you could argue she planted the seems for the women’s revolution across combat sports, without her Katie Taylor doesn’t headline MSG against Amanda Serrano and women in the WWE do not main-event a one night mania which is crazy in itself. She bought great legitimacy to the division & was a breath of fresh air, essentially the female Lesnar and I really liked her work during the first couple of years, also enjoyed her beat up the cuck H at WM, that tag-match involving Angle was excellent, I went to a few house shows around that time which she headlined, she did great business for the company until the relationship grew sour under H & she basically lost interest after that. A generational talent such as her is an asset to any promotion really, and the doofus completely diluted her IT factor, I am pretty sure she rubbed the cuck the wrong way?
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Her issues with the company go back longer. I recall her saying something negative about Prichard in her book. Don't exactly remember what. But you may be right that something happened when she and Shayna Baszler were wrestling as a tag team, that rubbed her the wrong way.

I dunno if she was a great wrestler, but she was most certainly a main-event level talent who translated her MMA background to wrestling quite well. In MMA, she is arguably the biggest female draw in the history of the sport, and honestly the women's division in UFC has never been the same since she left. But like I said, I thought her transition from MMA to wrestling was seamless. You're 100% right that without her you don't get that women's main-event. Also think that she was best used as a part-timer...like a female Brock. You didn't have to overexpose her. Think that goes back to your point about diluting that IT factor. She had a good run though.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Her issues with the company go back longer. I recall her saying something negative about Prichard in her book. Don't exactly remember what. But you may be right that something happened when she and Shayna Baszler were wrestling as a tag team, that rubbed her the wrong way.

I dunno if she was a great wrestler, but she was most certainly a main-event level talent who translated her MMA background to wrestling quite well. In MMA, she is arguably the biggest female draw in the history of the sport, and honestly the women's division in UFC has never been the same since she left. But like I said, I thought her transition from MMA to wrestling was seamless. You're 100% right that without her you don't get that women's main-event. Also think that she was best used as a part-timer...like a female Brock. You didn't have to overexpose her. Think that goes back to your point about diluting that IT factor. She had a good run though.
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I enjoyed the matches because it was a style I had not seen before, and her coming over was so huge after the MMA run, I watched every fight & she was like the female Mike Tyson of the UFC until my favourite women’s combat athlete of all time beat her, in those days she was as big a draw as anybody in the history of the UFC, Dana had the balls to have her headline so many shows, that was the peak of the UFC’s mainstream popularity with Conor & Ronda on top, and Vince was always smart enough to capitalise when he saw $$$$. Outside say a Charlotte Flair or one of the 4 horse-women, in those days everybody else worked around about the same style & it’s always interesting to see shoot wrestling being implemented well. I think when the personnel she was dealing with began to change, they struggled to handle her; something which is very common today, this leadership can’t handle big personalties or stars with a decent reputation that well / get the most out of their upside.
 
shaz619 said:
I enjoyed the matches because it was a style I had not seen before, and her coming over was so huge after the MMA run, I watched every fight & she was like the female Mike Tyson of the UFC until my favourite women’s combat athlete of all time beat her, in those days she was as big a draw as anybody in the history of the UFC, Dana had the balls to have her headline so many shows, that was the peak of the UFC’s mainstream popularity with Conor & Ronda on top, and Vince was always smart enough to capitalise when he saw $$$$. Outside say a Charlotte Flair or one of the 4 horse-women, in those days everybody else worked around about the same style & it’s always interesting to see shoot wrestling being implemented well. I think when the personnel she was dealing with began to change, they struggled to handle her; something which is very common today, this leadership can’t handle big personalties or stars with a decent reputation that well / get the most out of their upside.
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This is a funny coincidence. We're talking about her and she does this interview:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963329163420459110

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963328437176939000
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Mark Henry's Hall of Pain run is GOATED. So good. One of the highlights of SmackDown from that era, which was basically the B show during that 2011-12 period

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963498906287042919
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If he didn’t get injured man he was going to have one hell of a reign, also it was epic during the SD fist era when Three 6 Mafia actually showed up, that’s just the peak of the fandom back then, Henry had legit aura and he was a bad man, he should have won an Olympic medal as well, but he was up against steroid users & also suffered a back injury, he was a clean athlete & the best natural power lifter in the 90’s.
 
shaz619 said:
If he didn’t get injured man he was going to have one hell of a reign, also it was epic during the SD fist era when Three 6 Mafia actually showed up, that’s just the peak of the fandom back then, Henry had legit aura and he was a bad man, he should have won an Olympic medal as well, but he was up against steroid users & also suffered a back injury, he was a clean athlete & the best natural power lifter in the 90’s.
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Based on everything I've heard his powerlifting career and legacy is truly impressive. I think he transitioned to wrestling quite poorly initially. He just didn;t seem to get the business and struggled with injuries too, which is why the first run was quite forgettable eventhough WWE signed him to one of the biggest guaranteed money deals they had ever given any pure athlete back then in the 90s. But in his second run by the 2000s I felt like he finally got it. I dunno if you remember but they tried doing this Hall of Pain gimmick back in 2006 too, where he was killing guys and putting them out of commission on SD but for some reason Vince went cold on it. But I'm glad he got to have this run later with the World title because it was fantastic.
 
@shaz619 I can't believe this doofus actually took Meltzer's advice and changed the timing of his PPV. What a di%kless move and a way to basically show WWE that he is scared of them. Now they will do this everytime just to F with him. All while inconveniencing your hardcore fanbase who were never going to watch the WWE PPV anyway.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963359137213092255
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 I can't believe this doofus actually took Meltzer's advice and changed the timing of his PPV. What a di%kless move and a way to basically show WWE that he is scared of them. Now they will do this everytime just to F with him. All while inconveniencing your hardcore fanbase who were never going to watch the WWE PPV anyway.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963359137213092255
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Imagine listening to a journalist for booking advice, and this Tony is meant to be a student of all the great promoters in history, can’t believe this LOL they never fail to turn wrestling into a mockery, this just reinforces how Dave has always been a shill for their promotion & as responsible for its downfall.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 Gotta say this is a good burn lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963671237517013052
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I can understand Ronda one way as someone looking from the outside to a degree, she probably couldn’t work out why someone like Alexa was so over compared to Shayna Bazler; I think this is where education comes in and you mentioned how Mark didn’t take to it right away and even Kurt, but you need to spend more time working with elite athlete’s from demanding sports because the adjustment is a bit different for them, I think Vince was doing a better job of it imo
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Based on everything I've heard his powerlifting career and legacy is truly impressive. I think he transitioned to wrestling quite poorly initially. He just didn;t seem to get the business and struggled with injuries too, which is why the first run was quite forgettable eventhough WWE signed him to one of the biggest guaranteed money deals they had ever given any pure athlete back then in the 90s. But in his second run by the 2000s I felt like he finally got it. I dunno if you remember but they tried doing this Hall of Pain gimmick back in 2006 too, where he was killing guys and putting them out of commission on SD but for some reason Vince went cold on it. But I'm glad he got to have this run later with the World title because it was fantastic.
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Yeah that was when I saw Mark as a potential top guy during that SD era it really moved me, but it was so competitive, I think they should have pulled the trigger then because he got more and more fragile. Btw I did love the whole Sexual Chocolate thing 🤣🤣 He was entertaining during the AE era lol He owes his career to Mae Young
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H still has a career due to Michael PS Hayes.

Not that we didn’t know it before, but Punk is the smartest man in wrestling; he came up with the finish to the EC match & that’s just one example of his creativity and ring IQ.

Also @RedwoodOriginal I don’t know why this might have been overlooked or maybe not discussed enough, but The Rock pitched for Kevin Owens to win the WWE Championship!!! @Suleiman

KO as the corporate champion bah gawd.
 
shaz619 said:
H still has a career due to Michael PS Hayes.

Not that we didn’t know it before, but Punk is the smartest man in wrestling; he came up with the finish to the EC match & that’s just one example of his creativity and ring IQ.

Also @RedwoodOriginal I don’t know why this might have been overlooked or maybe not discussed enough, but The Rock pitched for Kevin Owens to win the WWE Championship!!! @Suleiman

KO as the corporate champion bah gawd.
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Yep, I remember seeing that too.

KO not winning the belt a single time in that feud was so stupid. Goofy h thinks that for a good storyline a belt can’t be dropped even once. Watch Seth keep WHC for 5-10 years straight at this point
 
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