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Suleiman said:
Beautiful…

You know Cena is a real car head when he’s out here hyping up Civic Type R and trying to put AJ on with a sponsor when Cena too is in that Ferrari, Lambo league atp.
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I didn’t realise AJ was a petrolhead lol makes sense he wanted a Porsche lmao

Cena actually daily’s his Type R, and here’s me moaning sometimes about my manual when am in heavy congestion lol

Pretty cool exchange though
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Don't have alot of positive things to say about the show but everything involving Orton was absolute perfection. I LOLed when he called Cardona a mark a$$ stooge and an indie nerd, and then later when he tried to lull him into a false sense of security by telling him he plays video-games too :moyo2

As for the sell, not that Sami isn't a great seller but I think that kick from Black was legit. They showed a slow-motion replay and it looked like he got him good.

Nothing against Fatu, but for the second year in a row, Drew feels like he is stuck in a midcard feud. This is better than the Priest feud from last year but you could do so much more with him. I think we can add Jacob Fatu to the list of people who have gone from being over like molten lava to being just another babyface on the roster. It feels like they have completely neutered him. He is not the guy who is supposed to be doing long promos. He's supposed to be booked like a wild animal who causes destruction at will. I dunno if the feud warrants HIAC but you definitely need to do some sort of gimmick match at Mania.
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Randy dialogue these days is peak 🤣

That indie nerd line was great.
 
Suleiman said:
Randy dialogue these days is peak 🤣

That indie nerd line was great.
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And the delivery too lol. He does a great job of constantly making you question if he's really being sincere or just being a snake. Like that backstage Jelly segment - I was questioning the same thing again. :kp

Hope he beats the p*ss out of Jelly too at some point and leaves him in a pool of his own blood. Now that is something I would actually welcome.
 
Suleiman said:

Yall remember brawl for all LOL

Unhinged Vince golden years
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There is an amazing Dark Side of the Ring episode on this that is sooo entertaining lol. They removed it from YouTube but I urge you to seek and out and watch it, you will get a real kick out of it.
 
I am looking forward to Brock Lesnar v Oba Femi now. This is starting to have the feel of a real heavyweight fight.

Paul Heyman did an amazing job of selling this match on the microphone. And then Oba coming to the ring and laying Lesnar out for the second week running was fantastic too. When Lesnar is motivated there is nobody quite like him in the wrestling business. There is nothing quite like a Brock Lesnar match - its it's own genre of match. Brock's expressions of just pure shock after being laid out were amazing. Oba is getting over and for once they have actually put someone new in a position where they have the chance to instantly shine and move upwards.

My guess is Paul Heyman will book the match because he generally books all of Lesnar's matches and handles all his creative stuff, which is why I have high hopes for it. Because nobody books big man matches like Paul Heyman.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I am looking forward to Brock Lesnar v Oba Femi now. This is starting to have the feel of a real heavyweight fight.

Paul Heyman did an amazing job of selling this match on the microphone. And then Oba coming to the ring and laying Lesnar out for the second week running was fantastic too. When Lesnar is motivated there is nobody quite like him in the wrestling business. There is nothing quite like a Brock Lesnar match - its it's own genre of match. Brock's expressions of just pure shock after being laid out were amazing. Oba is getting over and for once they have actually put someone new in a position where they have the chance to instantly shine and move upwards.

My guess is Paul Heyman will book the match because he generally books all of Lesnar's matches and handles all his creative stuff, which is why I have high hopes for it. Because nobody books big man matches like Paul Heyman.
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Maybe it’s too much for Oba at this stage, but I think they should seriously consider putting this on as the main-event on N1, it has so much heat; it just shows that despite the year 2026, pro-wrestling is at its best when the traditional roots are respected.

I don’t think the match needs to be more than 7-10 mins, the layout should be the Heyman template from Berg v Lesnar 3 at WM, a delicious squash. I don’t mind the 50/50 thing, but they will achieve their objectives better with a shorter match.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Don't have alot of positive things to say about the show but everything involving Orton was absolute perfection. I LOLed when he called Cardona a mark a$$ stooge and an indie nerd, and then later when he tried to lull him into a false sense of security by telling him he plays video-games too :moyo2

As for the sell, not that Sami isn't a great seller but I think that kick from Black was legit. They showed a slow-motion replay and it looked like he got him good.

Nothing against Fatu, but for the second year in a row, Drew feels like he is stuck in a midcard feud. This is better than the Priest feud from last year but you could do so much more with him. I think we can add Jacob Fatu to the list of people who have gone from being over like molten lava to being just another babyface on the roster. It feels like they have completely neutered him. He is not the guy who is supposed to be doing long promos. He's supposed to be booked like a wild animal who causes destruction at will. I dunno if the feud warrants HIAC but you definitely need to do some sort of gimmick match at Mania.
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That got me I play the Elden Ring bro but you’re about to get murdered, I think both those guys did great to make it look like Black stiffed him, I’ve seen Sami sell like that before to, the timing was just perfect. Yeah I take your point I agree both should be taken in different direction really, Fatu is more of a unhinged personality like a Cactus Jack then be talking like one of the Uso’s & Drew should be in the championship match, but I like that they keeping it pro, & doing their best to make this a compelling feud, I am more interested in it now
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
And the delivery too lol. He does a great job of constantly making you question if he's really being sincere or just being a snake. Like that backstage Jelly segment - I was questioning the same thing again. :kp

Hope he beats the p*ss out of Jelly too at some point and leaves him in a pool of his own blood. Now that is something I would actually welcome.
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I hope so too. Jelly beans, rolls etc got no business making wrestling feel even less believable.

Gone are the days you would have Mayweather, Tyson fury or Mike Tyson step in and really add value to wrestling instead. Now we have this whore for cash H at the helm getting celebs just for a bigger payout even if dirties the product 😔
 

Didn’t know it actually got this close! I remember we were all talking about what if Kurt went down the MMA route- turns out he did attempt to get in.

But my guess based on the vid is after all that damage to the neck it must’ve been pretty tough to pass the physical, and health wise by 09-10 good thing he didn’t .
 

Super underrated mid card heel run. Don’t think it’d be wrong to say that title run was far more entertaining than majority of his current ones outside of Cena / Roman feud.
 
Suleiman said:
I hope so too. Jelly beans, rolls etc got no business making wrestling feel even less believable.

Gone are the days you would have Mayweather, Tyson fury or Mike Tyson step in and really add value to wrestling instead. Now we have this whore for cash H at the helm getting celebs just for a bigger payout even if dirties the product 😔
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Yeah the drop off in quality is massive. We've gone from those guys and even guys like Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone to a Trump $ucking country music star with face tattoos called Jelly Roll. Even Bad Bunny I find less offensive than this guy because nobody buys that he could beat up any wrestler. But I have no doubt that they will find a way to top this too..
 
shaz619 said:
That got me I play the Elden Ring bro but you’re about to get murdered, I think both those guys did great to make it look like Black stiffed him, I’ve seen Sami sell like that before to, the timing was just perfect. Yeah I take your point I agree both should be taken in different direction really, Fatu is more of a unhinged personality like a Cactus Jack then be talking like one of the Uso’s & Drew should be in the championship match, but I like that they keeping it pro, & doing their best to make this a compelling feud, I am more interested in it now
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I think the central issue of this feud could be something interesting. Drew has maintained from the start that he wasn't the one who attacked Fatu, and they never showed us who that was. Assuming Drew is telling the truth - which he always tells us he does - it could be interesting if that person attacks Fatu again at some point towards the end of this feud, and reveals himself as the attacker.
 
shaz619 said:
Maybe it’s too much for Oba at this stage, but I think they should seriously consider putting this on as the main-event on N1, it has so much heat; it just shows that despite the year 2026, pro-wrestling is at its best when the traditional roots are respected.

I don’t think the match needs to be more than 7-10 mins, the layout should be the Heyman template from Berg v Lesnar 3 at WM, a delicious squash. I don’t mind the 50/50 thing, but they will achieve their objectives better with a shorter match.
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Nah I'm okay with the World title matches main-eventing both nights. I think they are bigger matches than Brock v Oba. I feel Brock v Oba will deliver wherever you put it on the card. Because it has the feel of a special attraction match and I agree with you, I don't expect it to run more than 10-11 mins either. An explosive, high-impact match that plays much like a heavyweight fight.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yeah the drop off in quality is massive. We've gone from those guys and even guys like Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone to a Trump $ucking country music star with face tattoos called Jelly Roll. Even Bad Bunny I find less offensive than this guy because nobody buys that he could beat up any wrestler. But I have no doubt that they will find a way to top this too..
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He’s so bad at identifying talent it’s not even funny.

Could’ve easily given Speed as much of a spotlight and boost as Jelly bean, who is easily one of the most naturally athletic celebs / Internet personalities ever, even more than Logan (minus the wrestling experience) but who the hell cares when Jelly bean has zero athleticism and wrestling experience.

And on top of that he already did an episode with Randy in WWE developmental and he did not look out of place.

That way he could’ve gotten his internet / music star feature craving taken care of .

But he’s still learning to give up his racist tendencies or is just clueless
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Nah I'm okay with the World title matches main-eventing both nights. I think they are bigger matches than Brock v Oba. I feel Brock v Oba will deliver wherever you put it on the card. Because it has the feel of a special attraction match and I agree with you, I don't expect it to run more than 10-11 mins either. An explosive, high-impact match that plays much like a heavyweight fight.
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From a trad POV title fights should end the night, but that match has captivated the fans & is doing much better numbers then anything else other than maybe Punk/Reigns, two big meaty men slapping meat has always been the biggest attraction in wrestling & even now, when the execution is spot on; Oba is a special talent & I guess they are lucky to have Lesnar because he elevates the whole event.
 
Suleiman said:
He’s so bad at identifying talent it’s not even funny.

Could’ve easily given Speed as much of a spotlight and boost as Jelly bean, who is easily one of the most naturally athletic celebs / Internet personalities ever, even more than Logan (minus the wrestling experience) but who the hell cares when Jelly bean has zero athleticism and wrestling experience.

And on top of that he already did an episode with Randy in WWE developmental and he did not look out of place.

That way he could’ve gotten his internet / music star feature craving taken care of .

But he’s still learning to give up his racist tendencies or is just clueless
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I read somewhere they are bringing any lanju panju with some followers in to help with the tickets
 
Suleiman said:
He’s so bad at identifying talent it’s not even funny.

Could’ve easily given Speed as much of a spotlight and boost as Jelly bean, who is easily one of the most naturally athletic celebs / Internet personalities ever, even more than Logan (minus the wrestling experience) but who the hell cares when Jelly bean has zero athleticism and wrestling experience.

And on top of that he already did an episode with Randy in WWE developmental and he did not look out of place.

That way he could’ve gotten his internet / music star feature craving taken care of .

But he’s still learning to give up his racist tendencies or is just clueless
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I really enjoy Speed. That kid is talented. And I don't even follow his YouTube channel. I agree, you could use him as a demolition dummy and get far more traction on social media, which they are crazy for. Why are they trying to appeal to country hicks anyway? I mean who else is listening to Jelly Roll?
 
shaz619 said:
From a trad POV title fights should end the night, but that match has captivated the fans & is doing much better numbers then anything else other than maybe Punk/Reigns, two big meaty men slapping meat has always been the biggest attraction in wrestling & even now, when the execution is spot on; Oba is a special talent & I guess they are lucky to have Lesnar because he elevates the whole event.
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At the very least I think it should open the show. Because this is the type of match that is perfect for getting the crowd going. Couldn't agree more on the other points.
 
Say what you will about ol' Jelly though, I don't think anyone comes close to Travis Scott as the worst celeb they tried to shoehorn in. His interference at last year's WrestleMania will always have its place in wrestling meme history. Thankfully though it seems like he burned this bridge and won't be coming back.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
lol this was always his goal.
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Snake is always ahead of the curve when securing his own opportunities, even if it means prostituting the business he allegedly loves & respects. If he loses his job tomorrow H will still eat well, and that doesn’t sit well with me, the only hope now is that the pacemaker malfunctions.
 
Stumbled upon this classic match today --> John Cena vs Eddie Guererro - Parking Lot Brawl match.

Eddie performed a frog splash on Cena on top of a car and got the victory (with assistance from Chavo).

Good old days of pro-wrestling.

 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Say what you will about ol' Jelly though, I don't think anyone comes close to Travis Scott as the worst celeb they tried to shoehorn in. His interference at last year's WrestleMania will always have its place in wrestling meme history. Thankfully though it seems like he burned this bridge and won't be coming back.
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I am against celebs taking part in any form like this, it’s acceptable in a tag team scenario when they have some kind of athletic background and are respectful. Even the bugs bunny deal was a disgrace and a reflection of how the in-ring product has degraded & so called performers like Orange Pockets make me sick or the blow up doll loving moron. It’s a bit different with Logan Paul because he actually trained to become a full time performer eventually & is respectful towards wrestling, so we can take him out of celeb category, but how disgraceful that any bum off the street can show up & have a full blown match, is this backyard wrestling? Comedy is maybe ok, but we’ve seen these guys go 50/50 & the idiot fans lap all of this up like wow fatty, great job, I didn’t expect that. It sets a very low bar for the entire locker room.
 
sweep_shot said:
Stumbled upon this classic match today --> John Cena vs Eddie Guererro - Parking Lot Brawl match.

Eddie performed a frog splash on Cena on top of a car and got the victory (with assistance from Chavo).

Good old days of pro-wrestling.

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One of my favourite matches ever on SD & a very underrated feud, if we still had the Network we could have relived every episode.
 
shaz619 said:
One of my favourite matches ever on SD & a very underrated feud, if we still had the Network we could have relived every episode.
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Yup.

It is also one of my favorite matches of all time.

For old WWE matches, there is a YouTube channel called "WWE Vault" (run by WWE).
 
sweep_shot said:
Yup.

It is also one of my favorite matches of all time.

For old WWE matches, there is a YouTube channel called "WWE Vault" (run by WWE).
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I am aware of that YT & it’s good for obscure hidden gems, but I still liked the old Network, like you could pull up each episode of SD from that feud & then properly enjoy the match even more
 
shaz619 said:
I am aware of that YT & it’s good for obscure hidden gems, but I still liked the old Network, like you could pull up each episode of SD from that feud & then properly enjoy the match even more
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I see.

Yeah. I would love that too. I can watch those all day.

I don't think I missed many WWE episodes from 2000 till 2009. Used to watch regularly.
 
shaz619 said:
I am against celebs taking part in any form like this, it’s acceptable in a tag team scenario when they have some kind of athletic background and are respectful. Even the bugs bunny deal was a disgrace and a reflection of how the in-ring product has degraded & so called performers like Orange Pockets make me sick or the blow up doll loving moron. It’s a bit different with Logan Paul because he actually trained to become a full time performer eventually & is respectful towards wrestling, so we can take him out of celeb category, but how disgraceful that any bum off the street can show up & have a full blown match, is this backyard wrestling? Comedy is maybe ok, but we’ve seen these guys go 50/50 & the idiot fans lap all of this up like wow fatty, great job, I didn’t expect that. It sets a very low bar for the entire locker room.
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Yeah Logan Paul is definitely a proper wrestler now. And even besides that he had an athletic background in sports unlike the rest. These other guys really make the business look bad. And I don't even blame them. It's WWE who try to get in their good graces by burying their own wrestlers like Bugs beating Priest. It's a bit like David Arquette winning the WCW World title - you are not necessarily angry at the person, but at the same time all the heat is on them eventhough the booker is the one to blame.
 
Cody and Seth etc try to keep kayfabe alive and try way too hard in interviews working marks.
Meanwhile Roman
Roman Reigns on rumors he and Cody Rhodes were kept apart on the set of Street Fighter:
"I heard that, and the rumor is he was requesting that. He was a little nervous that I was showing up, because he got there before me and there was only a couple days of crossover, so I think he was a little.
"You know what happens, the Tribal Chief comes to town, he gets a little nervous, he don't know what to do."
he's on another level and all natural unlike the other two.
 
crowd singing theme songs have been becoming cringing especially when it is being done by US audience. I hope WWE mutes then, their cringe voices worse than fake crowd boos and cheers
 
They are hell bent on ruining WM this year, they want to move away from how Vince made it a special attraction and want it to be just another event, and have the perfect man in the job to help execute that 🤡🤡🤡🤡/10

They are doing well there.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think I said earlier that all signs point towards him destroying the catering menu :kp
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I could imagine him chopping the crap out of it, I doubt there’s anything to cater to his appetite.

Gunther only treats himself when eating outside, and even then he”ll order a steak
:yk
 
shaz619 said:
@RedwoodOriginal

Maybe I will finally return to watching AEW if this hoooly marriage takes place:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2038577124333019386
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It is hilarious to see Russo fishing for a job again. I heard that he has desperately tried to get employed by WWE over the years, even begging Vince to hire him until recently when Vince was last there. But it seems like everyone has caught up by now.

Tony is dumb but I don't think even he is dumb enough to alienate his core fanbase. I'm also fairly certain Tony spent most of the 90s on message boards talking about how much Russo sucks
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
It is hilarious to see Russo fishing for a job again. I heard that he has desperately tried to get employed by WWE over the years, even begging Vince to hire him until recently when Vince was last there. But it seems like everyone has caught up by now.

Tony is dumb but I don't think even he is dumb enough to alienate his core fanbase. I'm also fairly certain Tony spent most of the 90s on message boards talking about how much Russo sucks
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He would be a perfect fit there, I’d watch it again just to see him bring another company down to ashes. Tony will give a cheque to anyone who massages his fragile ego & Russo has been talking trash about the fed for months now, it’s going to pay off, Russo has been following AEW very closely.

What Tony says and what he does are so far apart, he claims to be a fan of all the territorial bookers & to this day, any success in AEW has largely been despite him, not because of something original or cohesive he ever came up with.

Is he still on the Coke?
 
shaz619 said:
He would be a perfect fit there, I’d watch it again just to see him bring another company down to ashes. Tony will give a cheque to anyone who massages his fragile ego & Russo has been talking trash about the fed for months now, it’s going to pay off, Russo has been following AEW very closely.

What Tony says and what he does are so far apart, he claims to be a fan of all the territorial bookers & to this day, any success in AEW has largely been despite him, not because of something original or cohesive he ever came up with.

Is he still on the Coke?
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Probably. You can't book all these shows, handle two football teams and keep going without some kind of drugs or stimulants. Certainly not by looking how he looks.

Well you're forgetting how egotistical these two are and how convinced they are that they know what good pro-wrestling looks like. Their egos will clash instantly and Tony have quietly have him fired through email and ghost his texts so he doesn't have to confront Russo or feel bad that he had to fire him.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/2038617333862694916

*Ring Ring Ring*

Hello?

Heyy erm uh is that John?

Speaking.

Heyy buddy it’s Hunter, listen man, err, Seth’s back & eeer you know how it is, I wanna put a rocket on him

Okaaaay…

Yeaaah erm what am trying to say man, you got one more? can ya put him over? I can already picture it, big time match, night 1, night 2, it”ll put bums in seats ahahaha

Am retired, I got Hollywood.

Come on man, for old times sake, we got Jelly Roll showing up, it”ll just be like when Travis Sco…..

*Line goes dead*

*Ring Ring Ring*

Hahaha not sure what happened there John, can you do it man?

Am done with wrestling Hunter

Please man, will you do anything? For the kids man, for the WWE, we need ya

***Few minutes silence***

Am begging ya I’m on my knees John, you write the cheque, am begging for my job here man (in a whispering voice)

Ok man, I”ll host Wrestlemania this year.
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2038617333862694916

*Ring Ring Ring*

Hello?

Heyy erm uh is that John?

Speaking.

Heyy buddy it’s Hunter, listen man, err, Seth’s back & eeer you know how it is, I wanna put a rocket on him

Okaaaay…

Yeaaah erm what am trying to say man, you got one more? can ya put him over? I can already picture it, big time match, night 1, night 2, it”ll put bums in seats ahahaha

Am retired, I got Hollywood.

Come on man, for old times sake, we got Jelly Roll showing up, it”ll just be like when Travis Sco…..

*Line goes dead*

*Ring Ring Ring*

Hahaha not sure what happened there John, can you do it man?

Am done with wrestling Hunter

Please man, will you do anything? For the kids man, for the WWE, we need ya

***Few minutes silence***

Am begging ya I’m on my knees John, you write the cheque, am begging for my job here man (in a whispering voice)

Ok man, I”ll host Wrestlemania this year.
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Should’ve taken John’s initial offer of him wanting to do 200+ appearances as part of his tour which included matches instead of 30 something appearances hunter iirc suggested . This dumbass pissed away millions right there.

Awful businessman
 
Suleiman said:
Should’ve taken John’s initial offer of him wanting to do 200+ appearances as part of his tour which included matches instead of 30 something appearances hunter iirc suggested . This dumbass pissed away millions right there.

Awful businessman
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We only need you for x number of dates - the audacity, and he p!ssed away what was left of AJ Styles’s career as well, this insecure nutcase was happy to see these guys off because they made him feel inferior about what his kayfabe career was decades ago
 
Looking back I really do think rock’s wwe career dipped after Cena roasted him for having his promo written on his hand in 2012. Before that he was unshakable on the mic, but that promo rattled him, and then a year later Punk also got the best of him on the mic.

And suddenly his entire aura and image in wwe was shaken, and you realized this wasn’t the same guy anymore. He was too PG and commercial now, too corporate.

This is why that Final Boss arc was important, it restored the balance and his image and stature as a legend.

As a kid I was on rock’s side in that feud, but now I realize Cena and Punk both cooked him on the mic. He was in a different era by then.
 
Suleiman said:
Looking back I really do think rock’s wwe career dipped after Cena roasted him for having his promo written on his hand in 2012. Before that he was unshakable on the mic, but that promo rattled him, and then a year later Punk also got the best of him on the mic.

And suddenly his entire aura and image in wwe was shaken, and you realized this wasn’t the same guy anymore. He was too PG and commercial now, too corporate.

This is why that Final Boss arc was important, it restored the balance and his image and stature as a legend.

As a kid I was on rock’s side in that feud, but now I realize Cena and Punk both cooked him on the mic. He was in a different era by then.
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This is at a time where adults were booing Cena and kids were cheering him on, but after that roast everyone was cheering him.

If they really wanted to turn him heel should’ve done it around that time
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2038617333862694916

*Ring Ring Ring*

Hello?

Heyy erm uh is that John?

Speaking.

Heyy buddy it’s Hunter, listen man, err, Seth’s back & eeer you know how it is, I wanna put a rocket on him

Okaaaay…

Yeaaah erm what am trying to say man, you got one more? can ya put him over? I can already picture it, big time match, night 1, night 2, it”ll put bums in seats ahahaha

Am retired, I got Hollywood.

Come on man, for old times sake, we got Jelly Roll showing up, it”ll just be like when Travis Sco…..

*Line goes dead*

*Ring Ring Ring*

Hahaha not sure what happened there John, can you do it man?

Am done with wrestling Hunter

Please man, will you do anything? For the kids man, for the WWE, we need ya

***Few minutes silence***

Am begging ya I’m on my knees John, you write the cheque, am begging for my job here man (in a whispering voice)

Ok man, I”ll host Wrestlemania this year.
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you didn't add the part where he asked John to satisfy his wife like he used to do during active duty
 
shaz619 said:
The true master politicker who learned from them all, man this guy bent over H to get a better buck from Tony Con, maybe we can all love Jericho again after this 🤣🤣🤣
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I admire the business savvy but I can't really be happy about this because I know it will just lead to more bad segments, angles and matches
 
shaz619 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2039480269317476761

Mike really didn’t care at this point, just the start of a deteriorating mind sadly
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People talk about how messed up Benoit's brain was from the inside from all the head trauma and concussions, I can't imagine this guy was that far off considering his history of sickening chair shots and concussions. Some of the stuff he did in Japan - probably just as crazy as ECW.
 
Suleiman said:

This is at a time where adults were booing Cena and kids were cheering him on, but after that roast everyone was cheering him.

If they really wanted to turn him heel should’ve done it around that time
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Cena has admitted that he crossed the lines and went personal during those promos as he was consumed by his hatred for Dwayne, later on he apologized to him.
But yeah Dwayne was definitely shaken by then and being good 7-8 years totally away from the business and in the doldrums of Hollywood had taken away his originality (and had made him a suck up by then).
Cena's one of the best ever promos though, the kind of stick he got from the crowds for over a decade, he still managed to rise above all and never let the crowd break him.
 
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