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When did the Galwan Valley become a 'grey area'? Its been on the Indian side of LAC since forever
Lol, so canvassing for Bihar elections has started in right earnest.<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Country is proud of the sacrifice made by our braves in Ladakh. Today when I am speaking to people of Bihar, I will say the valour was of Bihar Regiment, every Bihari is proud of it. I pay tributes to the braves who laid down their lives for the nation: PM Narendra Modi <a href="https://t.co/RGOr3ThAqh">pic.twitter.com/RGOr3ThAqh</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1274221112361025536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Sceptics hold that Beijing hardly needs a border incident to send such a signal. New Delhi has been keen to resolve the boundary issue, while Beijing has dragged its feet. Through 15 rounds of the Joint Working Group and Experts Group meetings, China has refused to exchange maps with India in which both sides mark their perceptions of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) along the Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh borders.
This has allowed China to extend its writ deeper and deeper into India. Since the 1962 war, China has extended its control over the entire Galwan River and Chip Chap River valleys in Ladakh.
Any Chinese offer to agree on a "Framework" for resolving the boundary dispute is to be welcomed, though it would still leave the contentious and painstaking task of actually defining - sector by sector - where the boundary runs. This would involve specifying each boundary landmark, marking those on a mutually agreed map, and then constructing hundreds of boundary markers on the ground, all along the border.
Only after completing this process should New Delhi accept Beijing's proposal for a "border defence cooperation agreement." India can accept constraints on its border build up only after the reason for such a build up is removed. With the border settled, it would suit New Delhi to freeze troop levels and border infrastructure at their current levels, or even to reduce deployment on the difficult Himalayan border. But a freeze on India's military capability must follow a boundary settlement, not precede it.
Absolutely no doubt about that.Work has started to discredit Ajai Shukla.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This man <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ajaishukla</a> claims to be a security analyst.<br><br>TV debates to his tweets demonstrate that he is in fact a Congress' stooge. He is the blot on our defence forces <a href="https://t.co/T8QbT1tYz6">pic.twitter.com/T8QbT1tYz6</a></p>— BALA (@erbmjha) <a href="https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1273891380020953088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2013: China has occupied entire Galwan Valley after 1962 war <br><br>2020: Blaming PM Modi for Galwan valley loss in 1962<br><br>Congress Stooge <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ajaishukla</a> for you. <a href="https://t.co/F3rZ2U6Yfm">pic.twitter.com/F3rZ2U6Yfm</a></p>— BALA (@erbmjha) <a href="https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1274266351494819840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What he ACTUALLY said:
He didn't say it was China's back then.
He said China could claim it as theirs and that we have to make them work with us to define each sector and ONLY then accept the new borders.
That doesn't mean he is ok with China coming and claiming whatever they want and we say "oh yeah that's ok" to them.
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Man, the IQ level of these people are so low it's sad.
lol.
Work has started to discredit Ajai Shukla.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This man <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ajaishukla</a> claims to be a security analyst.<br><br>TV debates to his tweets demonstrate that he is in fact a Congress' stooge. He is the blot on our defence forces <a href="https://t.co/T8QbT1tYz6">pic.twitter.com/T8QbT1tYz6</a></p>— BALA (@erbmjha) <a href="https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1273891380020953088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2013: China has occupied entire Galwan Valley after 1962 war <br><br>2020: Blaming PM Modi for Galwan valley loss in 1962<br><br>Congress Stooge <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ajaishukla</a> for you. <a href="https://t.co/F3rZ2U6Yfm">pic.twitter.com/F3rZ2U6Yfm</a></p>— BALA (@erbmjha) <a href="https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1274266351494819840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What he ACTUALLY said:
He didn't say it was China's back then.
He said China could claim it as theirs and that we have to make them work with us to define each sector and ONLY then accept the new borders.
That doesn't mean he is ok with China coming and claiming whatever they want and we say "oh yeah that's ok" to them.
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Man, the IQ level of these people are so low it's sad.
lol.
So 10 soldiers were returned but China didn't intrude?
So we intruded their territory?
How did the clash happen then?
Can someone clarify what this guy is saying?
For the first time yesterday before his "this" speech I saw my Dad accepting India has not a single good leader..far better from his support of BJP.. but then again now lets see what his this speech would do.
To answer your question you will not get an answer but atleast if we get 10% of BJP supporters to ack there is something fishy, I would take it. Hate that Army has to listen to this man!
I don’t get why questioning the PM or the government tantamounts to disrespecting the army? This linkage is weird to say the least.
Kinda similar to how right wingers in the US claim that sportsmen taking a knee during the anthem to protest police brutality against blacks is equivalent to disrespecting the national flag and the military.
Neither makes any sense
I live in India and very well know the ground reality here. Liberals are happy deep down that Indian soldiers got killed so that they can blame Modi. I have done and dealt with enough liberals in my life to know exactly what they think and how low they can get. There is a reason most sane thinking Indians percieve these frustrated liberals as traitors of the country and does not believe a word they say. The fact that they can no longer sell their narrative on Indian podiums, you will often find them taking out their frustration in Pakistani forums.
No one has ever said dont question govt. Infact in a democracy you must and should question govt. But blaming PM for anything and everything reeks frustration and dispair. If Modi gives reference to Mahabharat..they have a problem, if PM goes to temple...he is promoting hindutva, if he does yoga or mann Ki baat...it becomes nautanki, if he dont speaks on jawaans getting killed...he is a coward, if he speaks up...why so late, if he says he will take revenge for killings...he becomes feku. You think people of India are stupid and does not realize their sole agenda? No one buys anything they says whether against govt or their fake support for army.
Just as we speak, BJP is decimating Congress in Rajya Sabha elections. They will lose 2024 as well. They can try anything but people will simply not trust these snakes anymore.
People can discredit him by calling Congress stooge or whatever but the fact remains he has been proven right on almost all news coming out. He was one of the earliest to correctly explain the situation around Pangong lake which has been validated by satellite images and was warning about Galwan Valley all through late May and lack of Chinese deescalation much before Jun 14th. Even the incident on 14th, he was one of the earliest to report. He clearly has a valid source in the armed forces while the likes of Gaurav Arya play to the galleries of bhakts without resorting to facts or anything useful. I dont care who he supports as long he is not the one deceiving the nation.
Absolutely.
By the way, here are your TYPICAL bhakts on Twitter.
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He deleted the tweet.
Look at his twitter.
Jai Hind.
Indian flag.
And the comment.
And these guys talk about patriotism.![]()
The creature has been a traitor for long, just that his blind bhakts still don't stop deifying him.
@SIF - My posts may be a filler but you are living in a fools world if you think your essays are meaningful. Randomly putting selective tweets from unverified accounts and congress stooges is the ultimate definition of filler. I mean I can post thousand of counter tweets from BJP paid accounts or people who are tweeting with the #AntiNationalCongress (6th trending in India now). But I would then be called bhakt, Godi media etc.
Liberals dont ask questions...they are not intelligent or articulate enough to do that. I mean Rahul Gandhi fought the entire election with the punchline "Chowkidar Chor Hai", remember? Also remember how people of India kicked his rear side and he ran away to Kerala? Had he asked genuine questions then people would have atleast taken him seriously.
There is a chinese tweet today about Indian army got killed being liked by Shashi Tharoor. Such is the loyality of these snakes towards India. As I said, write as many essays you want, embed as many tweets you wish but this mask of liberals have been long wiped out and no narrative would sell it. Atleast not in India.
You can try though!
Randomly putting selective tweets from unverified accounts and congress stooges is the ultimate definition of filler.
I mean I can post thousand of counter tweets from BJP paid accounts or people who are tweeting with the #AntiNationalCongress (6th trending in India now). But I would then be called bhakt, Godi media etc.
Liberals dont ask questions...they are not intelligent or articulate enough to do that.
I mean Rahul Gandhi fought the entire election with the punchline "Chowkidar Chor Hai", remember?
Had he asked genuine questions then people would have atleast taken him seriously.
There is a chinese tweet today about Indian army got killed being liked by Shashi Tharoor.
Such is the loyality of these snakes towards India.
As I said, write as many essays you want, embed as many tweets you wish but this mask of liberals have been long wiped out and no narrative would sell it. Atleast not in India.
So called liberals asking questions *slow claps*
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ajai Shukla in his 2013 article said- "China has extended its control over Entire Galwan River since 1962"<br><br>Ajai Shukla in 2020 is saying China has entered India and claimed the Entire Galwan River in May 2020.<br><br>Which one is True? <a href="https://t.co/8NCVRfv5AV">pic.twitter.com/8NCVRfv5AV</a></p>— Ankur Singh (@iAnkurSingh) <a href="https://twitter.com/iAnkurSingh/status/1274255162945626112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Once all this is over, this guy should be charged with treason. He is the one instrumental in spreading lies during this LAC issue.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If hypocrisy had a face.<a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ajaishukla</a> <a href="https://t.co/Sj4h72n8xh">pic.twitter.com/Sj4h72n8xh</a></p>— Rana Nishant Singh (@NishantSingh_in) <a href="https://twitter.com/NishantSingh_in/status/1273928570843230208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
@SIF - Again you are going in wrong direction. My job is not here to judge you what you posted in Covid thread and how you were proven right. LOL. If liberals are asking genuine questions always why people of India rejecting them again and again? So majority of people are stupid but handful of pseudo liberals arent, is it? Cut it down man.
And what do you mean counter every tweets of liberals with facts? Bro, I wish I had so much spare time. Also this thread has nothing to do with Delhi riots, Zukerberg, world bank etc. Not sure what is the relevance of all these. The frustration is obvious but keep a list of all the faults of Modi and try to sell them infront of people of India in 2024. We both will see how many will buy it.
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Absolutely.
By the way, here are your TYPICAL bhakts on Twitter.
View attachment 101658
He deleted the tweet.
Look at his twitter.
Jai Hind.
Indian flag.
And the comment.
And these guys talk about patriotism.![]()
Bhai I didn't talk about other issues here.
Since you mentioned about how libbys do this and that in your post (#175), I responded to it with some examples of what libbys are ACTUALLY asking.
Since you mentioned about loyalty to India in your next post, I gave some more examples.
Also libbys doesn't equal Congress. It's not like libbys are endorsing Congress as the best thing since sliced bread. In fact Cong is lame too. Just better than BJP considering the fiasco the latter is.
Again, People of India will decide that...not you. You are passing your opinion as fact and that is where the problem lies. I understand you are angry with ongoing events but somehow you are trying justify your opinion as holy grail which it clearly isnt. And based on last 2 elections, far from it. What you see as 9 and I view it as 6 from my end. And for me BJP and Narendra Modi is the best thing to have happened to independent India. He is just not a leader or a politician but an ideology who inspires millions of Indians like me.
Now whether he is fiasco or not, let people decide.
And for me BJP and Narendra Modi is the best thing to have happened to independent India. He is just not a leader or a politician but an ideology who inspires millions of Indians like me.
We get it.
Elections decide it.
It's your go to response and no one denied it.
As for deciding whether he is a fiasco or not, elections don't get to decide it.
Facts do.
Elections can be won INSPITE of fiascos. But they don't make mistakes go away.
Heck, Congress gets blamed by BJP all day long. Yet they won elections for 60 years. By that token, they had no fiascos?
Exactly.
100% agreed.
Just that he is fooling you.
Sadly other Indians are also in the sinking ship so they will keep voicing their opinions cos they too love India ya know.![]()
That is because BJP was not formed back then (60 years ago). Also, after years of ruling by Mughals and then by Britishers, Indians were not well aware socially and didnt had a voice. They were made to believe Nehru/Gandhi Family was the new ruler(master) and people voted for them blindly. Times have changed and in social media age people have became more aware of the surroundings. And as soon as people became more aware, Congress being booted out (for good).
Sinking ship lol. Aren’t you from TN? A state that’s ruled by Stalin and other incompetent leaders in the past? Isn’t Chennai doing ok despite that?
Don’t worry I have lived in India long enough to know that the Indian people know what they are doing. Even an illiterate villager who depends on the educated guy to read the daily newspaper to him, is highly articulate about his political principles. It may or may not differ from yours but usually they know what they are doing and have better political acumen that most people who can probably string together a few English words lack.
So if you are genuinely concerned about the sinking ship, I would suggest not to worry but if things are making you paranoid that the world is ending and india is disbanding, then I would definitely worry but not for the country but for you to see if this quarantine is not having any adverse affects like paranoia.
Good luck either way
100% agreed.
Just that he is fooling you.
Sadly other Indians are also in the sinking ship so they will keep voicing their opinions cos they too love India ya know.![]()
That is because BJP was not formed back then (60 years ago). Also, after years of ruling by Mughals and then by Britishers, Indians were not well aware socially and didnt had a voice. They were made to believe Nehru/Gandhi Family was the new ruler(master) and people voted for them blindly. Times have changed and in social media age people have became more aware of the surroundings. And as soon as people became more aware, Congress being booted out (for good).
C'mmom dude....I really thought you are better than this. If he is fooling me why billions of us voted for him in landslide victory in 2 general elections and 3 times as CM of Gujrat?
So are you saying all those people are fools and liberals like you are only intelligent? You are losing it a bit bruv.
Inspite of the leaders we have had, we are still one of the top states in India.
Thank you very much.
Don't worry about me buddy.
I am doing great personally.
My country...not so much.
But we will clean it up. Just will take some time.![]()
I mean Rahul Gandhi fought the entire election with the punchline "Chowkidar Chor Hai", remember? Also remember how people of India kicked his rear side and he ran away to Kerala?!
So TN is the land of milk and honey but rest of India is destroying itself. Wonder how that equation works?
Yes you can vote for someone else. You live in a democracy and a secular country and you can disagree and believe in whatever you want.
However don’t demean majority of the Indian public who voted for BJP because they believed in Modi for whatever their reasoning. It’s never black and white like everyone voted for Modi because of Hindutva or cow lynchings or whatever, if you care about India so much you would also know people’s collective iq when it comes to politics.
So not just you but even they felt they were cleaning up india when they voted for india 2 terms. So suck it up.
So TN is the land of milk and honey but rest of India is destroying itself. Wonder how that equation works?
So not just you but even they felt they were cleaning up india when they voted for india 2 terms. So suck it up.
I don’t even care much to know about the intricacies of internal Indian politics but Isn’t Kerala considered part of India?
So essentially ‘People of India kicked his rear side and he ran away’ to.... India? Or are some parts of India ‘more’ India than others?
The context was that Rahul Gandhi was worried so he fought from 2 constituencies.
It's a valid dig tbf.
I don’t even care much to know about the intricacies of internal Indian politics but Isn’t Kerala considered part of India?
So essentially ‘People of India kicked his rear side and he ran away’ to.... India? Or are some parts of India ‘more’ India than others?
So TN is the land of milk and honey but rest of India is destroying itself. Wonder how that equation works?
Yes you can vote for someone else. You live in a democracy and a secular country and you can disagree and believe in whatever you want.
However don’t demean majority of the Indian public who voted for BJP because they believed in Modi for whatever their reasoning. It’s never black and white like everyone voted for Modi because of Hindutva or cow lynchings or whatever, if you care about India so much you would also know people’s collective iq when it comes to politics.
So not just you but even they felt they were cleaning up India when they voted for India 2 terms (Not a typo) . So suck it up.
@SIF - Nothing personal man...dont take it in a wrong way. You are a good poster and I was just putting across my points. But I do respect your views too.
Glad you admitted that you have no clue about Indian politics so that’s a start.
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That is because BJP was not formed back then (60 years ago). Also, after years of ruling by Mughals and then by Britishers, Indians were not well aware socially and didnt had a voice. They were made to believe Nehru/Gandhi Family was the new ruler(master) and people voted for them blindly. Times have changed and in social media age people have became more aware of the surroundings. And as soon as people became more aware, Congress being booted out (for good).
Precisely the kind of bigot Feku loves to follow.Absolutely.
By the way, here are your TYPICAL bhakts on Twitter.
View attachment 101658
He deleted the tweet.
Look at his twitter.
Jai Hind.
Indian flag.
And the comment.
And these guys talk about patriotism.![]()
Lol, true. It's miles better to be a liberal than being an extremist.I hate people calling others “liberals” as if it’s an insult.
They are just petty little extremists
I can attest to this. So many people I've conversed with, say this with absolute glee.Bakhts back him only because he is anti-Muslim, and the initiator of 2 Muslim genocides in India. Anti-Muslim hate sells for majority Hindu India.
May be get my username right next time so that I'd know someone mentioned me ? No ?
Intrusion (in military terms) means an enemy force has entered the territory you used to control or currently control. Control is the key word here.
Now the points where the recent developments took place i.e the Galwan Valley and the Pangong Tso lake lie in the grey area between Indian LAC and the Chinese LAC. Mind you, LAC is not a defined and bilaterally accepted line like the LOC. There are miles and miles of "no man's land" , which are patrolled (and claimed) by both the IA and the PLA, but no side should put up bases/camps or any kind of military infra in that area. The point of patrolling is to prevent the other side from taking full control.
The problem started when the PLA started building tents and later stationing massive troops in that area. Some say this was due to the lack of patrolling from the IA due to the pandemic. So, yes technically they have not intruded into "Indian controlled territory" but the one "claimed by India" which was previously a grey zone lying between the two perceived LAC's.
Grey area?? but since when??? It's not Grey Area as per my knowledge.
LOL! he really knows how to fool his blind hindutva followers.He will keep fooling them for a long time.Awful guy and awful country. worst in the world.
Meanwhile look at RaGa's tweet and compare it with other above posted level headed mature opposition leaders.
Cant spell "Surrender" and taking a jibe on PM)
Why does this guy even opens his mouth and invite embarrassment?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Narendra Modi<br><br>Is actually<br><br>Surender Modi<a href="https://t.co/PbQ44skm0Z">https://t.co/PbQ44skm0Z</a></p>— Rahul Gandhi (@RahulGandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RahulGandhi/status/1274573608933748736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t bother, Sudhir...I saw your show that proved how Chinese army doesn’t stand a chance against India. How they’re forced to be in the army..one-child policy makes them emotionally vulnerable etc. As <a href="https://twitter.com/salonayyy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@salonayyy</a> says..aap popcorn khao, Bella Ciao. Jai Hind. <a href="https://twitter.com/sudhirchaudhary?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sudhirchaudhary</a> <a href="https://t.co/h8Tc7IMtkw">https://t.co/h8Tc7IMtkw</a></p>— Aakash Chopra (@cricketaakash) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketaakash/status/1274640813876580352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The kind of bigot who just can't hear someone saying remotely disparaging about their god, let India go to dogs. One will find so many of these on this forum itself.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WATCH?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WATCH</a> Even God is not with you (Congress) now. You say - 'Narendra Modi is Surender Modi' that means you are saying that Modi ji is not only the leader of humans but also of Gods. You should understand the language of God: BJP President JP Nadda at 'UP Jan Samvad' virtual rally <a href="https://t.co/3Q2M4S8euV">pic.twitter.com/3Q2M4S8euV</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1274702758260719616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What does this mean
Sudhir at its best. Such tweets from someone who is not in power will weaken India's position but PM Modi's accepting that China didn't enter into Indian territory won't? Waah re bhakhto kaunsi chakki ka atta khaate ho bhai?![]()
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WATCH?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WATCH</a> Even God is not with you (Congress) now. You say - 'Narendra Modi is Surender Modi' that means you are saying that Modi ji is not only the leader of humans but also of Gods. You should understand the language of God: BJP President JP Nadda at 'UP Jan Samvad' virtual rally <a href="https://t.co/3Q2M4S8euV">pic.twitter.com/3Q2M4S8euV</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1274702758260719616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
What does this mean
As I have always said, he is their god. No wonder they deify him.Modi is the leader of gods?
Maybe something is lost in translation![]()
There is no difference between the way a Bhakt thinks and you. You say anything opposite as long as it is against BJP without using your brain. You and Bhakt are just equally dumb.
Bit rich coming from someone who himself drags pappu and his Italian mother into every topic here and tries to justify every stupid act done by BJP. You should be the last person calling out those who laugh at bhakhts and their stupidity here lol.![]()
Bit rich coming from the Pseudo Secular who is obsessed with BJP as highlighted in a lot of posts and tries to justify every wrong thing on Modi. You should be the last person calling out those who are cut from the same cloth as Bhakts and their stupidity here lol.: