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Struggled as keeper as well as the captain, things not looking great for him.
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Tim Paine, captain of Australia!
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"I so want to take you to Gabba, Ash.''
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I would be surprised if he still has a career after this series.
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Do Australia seriously not have a better Wicket Keeper? Not only is Paine crap with the gloves, he's only averaging 30 since his comeback in 2018.
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Hope they stick with him, at least until the Ashes.
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Paine must lay down law: Chappell
Ian Chappell believes Tim Paine must hold his place as Australian captain and should be given more authority to control his team’s destiny.
Paine has been put under a microscope after Australia surrendered what seemed an unlosable Test series to India, but he has gained high-powered support from one of cricket’s greatest-ever leaders.
Chappell said Paine had been the right kind of personality to take over the reins of the Australian team after the ball tampering scandal in 2018 and was still the right man to take the side back to South Africa next month.
Australia’s real issue, according to Chappell, is a broken way of thinking, where the coaching staff and management hold as much influence on the team as the captain out in the middle.
Chappell told Cricket Australia’s exhaustive Argus Review in 2011 that administrators had made it impossible for captains to do their job properly, a view he reiterated when Steve Smith was in charge with Darren Lehmann as coach.
The former Test captain warned a cycle of mediocrity would continue in Australian cricket as long as there were too many cooks involved in determining team tactics and making key decisions and addresses, which should be the sole domain of Paine as skipper.
“Tim needs to tell a few people to butt out, which is going to be harder to do now than if he’d done it at the start,” said Chappell.
“But you’ve only got to look back to Mark Taylor. Allan Border had allowed (coach) Bob Simpson to have enormous power, and when Mark took over, Simpson stepped forward to make a speech, and Mark just grabbed him by the arm and said, ‘I’ll handle this, Bob.’ And he was in charge.
“That’s the way it’s got to be.
“The reason I say that is when Tim woke up the next morning after the Test, he only had to look at what was going on.
“Were Justin Langer and Andrew McDonald and all the other management copping the flak?
“No, it was Tim. So as long as the wins and the losses (are in your name) and the flak is coming your way, you might as well have a fair say in what goes on.
“I’m not saying anything that I haven’t said before. Because I said it at the Argus Review.”
Chappell said that while Paine was not in the same category as Taylor or Michael Clarke in terms of on-field tactics, he was a fine captain who deserved to be backed in for the foreseeable future.
According to Chappell, Pat Cummins is already too overburdened, as the “Dennis Lillee” style lion-heart of the team, to take on more responsibility as well as leading the bowling attack.
Chappell says Australia doesn’t need a new captain, but a change in theory, which peels back the modern beliefs on high-performance management and restores the skipper as the one true leader.
“I think he’s done a terrific job in the circumstances (in which he took over),” Chappell said of Paine. “It’s a system that doesn’t work. Australia will always beat the lesser teams because the talent is there.
“But that’s not the idea.
“The idea is to beat the best teams and that’s a system that will cause you problems against the better teams, as it has done in this series.”
Chappell described some of Australia’s day five tactics against India at the Gabba as “stupid”, but said that in the modern game there were too many voices involved, which he believed complicated the feel and instinct a captain needed to have on the field.
“Every captain goes down the wrong path at some stage or other,” Chappell said. “It’s how quickly you see, ‘Uh oh, this isn’t working, let’s go somewhere else’
“Herein, I think, lies another problem with the system. They sit down and have all these meetings before every match and at night: ‘This is the plan, and this is what we’re going to do.’
“It’s not that complicated.
“How many times have you heard, “Hit the top of off, with the odd bouncer’?
“Pretty well that’s your team meeting.
“Obviously I’m oversimplifying it but it’s not that complicated.
“What bothers me with a lot of modern captaincy is they go out there with these plans and the plan remains the plan. Now that’s not how captaincy works.
“You have a plan for everyone.
“We had a plan for Viv Richards, Garry Sobers, but blokes of that ability, they can spoil your plans in five minutes, so you better have somewhere else to go.
“Again, trust me, you cannot captain the side from off the field.
“It’s too late by the time the message gets out there.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...l/news-story/02623d4b5a18e24ffb4f06b26b0a3211
Ian Chappell believes Tim Paine must hold his place as Australian captain and should be given more authority to control his team’s destiny.
Paine has been put under a microscope after Australia surrendered what seemed an unlosable Test series to India, but he has gained high-powered support from one of cricket’s greatest-ever leaders.
Chappell said Paine had been the right kind of personality to take over the reins of the Australian team after the ball tampering scandal in 2018 and was still the right man to take the side back to South Africa next month.
Australia’s real issue, according to Chappell, is a broken way of thinking, where the coaching staff and management hold as much influence on the team as the captain out in the middle.
Chappell told Cricket Australia’s exhaustive Argus Review in 2011 that administrators had made it impossible for captains to do their job properly, a view he reiterated when Steve Smith was in charge with Darren Lehmann as coach.
The former Test captain warned a cycle of mediocrity would continue in Australian cricket as long as there were too many cooks involved in determining team tactics and making key decisions and addresses, which should be the sole domain of Paine as skipper.
“Tim needs to tell a few people to butt out, which is going to be harder to do now than if he’d done it at the start,” said Chappell.
“But you’ve only got to look back to Mark Taylor. Allan Border had allowed (coach) Bob Simpson to have enormous power, and when Mark took over, Simpson stepped forward to make a speech, and Mark just grabbed him by the arm and said, ‘I’ll handle this, Bob.’ And he was in charge.
“That’s the way it’s got to be.
“The reason I say that is when Tim woke up the next morning after the Test, he only had to look at what was going on.
“Were Justin Langer and Andrew McDonald and all the other management copping the flak?
“No, it was Tim. So as long as the wins and the losses (are in your name) and the flak is coming your way, you might as well have a fair say in what goes on.
“I’m not saying anything that I haven’t said before. Because I said it at the Argus Review.”
Chappell said that while Paine was not in the same category as Taylor or Michael Clarke in terms of on-field tactics, he was a fine captain who deserved to be backed in for the foreseeable future.
According to Chappell, Pat Cummins is already too overburdened, as the “Dennis Lillee” style lion-heart of the team, to take on more responsibility as well as leading the bowling attack.
Chappell says Australia doesn’t need a new captain, but a change in theory, which peels back the modern beliefs on high-performance management and restores the skipper as the one true leader.
“I think he’s done a terrific job in the circumstances (in which he took over),” Chappell said of Paine. “It’s a system that doesn’t work. Australia will always beat the lesser teams because the talent is there.
“But that’s not the idea.
“The idea is to beat the best teams and that’s a system that will cause you problems against the better teams, as it has done in this series.”
Chappell described some of Australia’s day five tactics against India at the Gabba as “stupid”, but said that in the modern game there were too many voices involved, which he believed complicated the feel and instinct a captain needed to have on the field.
“Every captain goes down the wrong path at some stage or other,” Chappell said. “It’s how quickly you see, ‘Uh oh, this isn’t working, let’s go somewhere else’
“Herein, I think, lies another problem with the system. They sit down and have all these meetings before every match and at night: ‘This is the plan, and this is what we’re going to do.’
“It’s not that complicated.
“How many times have you heard, “Hit the top of off, with the odd bouncer’?
“Pretty well that’s your team meeting.
“Obviously I’m oversimplifying it but it’s not that complicated.
“What bothers me with a lot of modern captaincy is they go out there with these plans and the plan remains the plan. Now that’s not how captaincy works.
“You have a plan for everyone.
“We had a plan for Viv Richards, Garry Sobers, but blokes of that ability, they can spoil your plans in five minutes, so you better have somewhere else to go.
“Again, trust me, you cannot captain the side from off the field.
“It’s too late by the time the message gets out there.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...l/news-story/02623d4b5a18e24ffb4f06b26b0a3211
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Steve Smith says he’s keen and Tim Paine would be happy to support a decision to have Australia’s best batsman replace him as Test captain.
Smith’s case has been steadily building as his form remains superb and the stain of South Africa gradually washes away in the eyes of important figures in the Australian cricket fraternity and large parts of the public.
Paine has previously recognised Smith’s ambitions to return to the role he lost after the ball-tampering scandal in Cape Town but went a step further while speaking at a function for the Chappell Foundation at the SCG on Wednesday night.
Paine, who has secured 11 wins and four draws in 23 matches as skipper, said Smith deserved another opportunity in the top job.
“I think so. Obviously I don’t make that decision but the time I played with Steve as captain he was excellent. Certainly tactically he is as good as you get,” Paine said.
“He’s probably a bit like me when I was at the start of my captaincy journey in Tasmania — he was thrown into a very big role at a very, very young age and he probably wasn’t quite ready for it.
“But by the time I came in he was growing into that role and getting better and better. Then obviously South Africa events happened and he’s not doing it anymore. But yeah I would support him getting that job again.”
Paine’s declaration received a rousing reception by the 500-strong audience before he was asked how much longer he expected to be in the role.
“At least another six Tests,” said the 36-year-old, who is locked in for a home summer featuring one match against Afghanistan and five-Test Ashes series.
“If I feel like the time is right and we’ve beaten the Poms 5-0, what a way to go out. But it might be a tight series and we might be chasing 300 on the last day and I’m 100 not out and hit the winning runs — and then I might go again.”
Paine: I s*** myself when they made me captain
Paine was initially thrust into the role on day four of the infamous Cape Town Test in 2018 after Smith and vice-captain David Warner stood down from their leadership positions for their roles in the ball-tampering scandal.
A few days later, after the touring party had moved to Johannesburg ahead of the Fourth Test, he was summoned to a meeting at a hotel with high performance manager Pat Howard and Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland and given the job full-time.
“I was pretty much told there’d been a board meeting back in Australia and I was the 46th Test captain of Australia,” Paine said.
He went back to his hotel room where he was later joined by his wife, Bonnie, daughter, Milla, and his mum, Sally.
“Mum says it looked like I’d seen a ghost,” Paine said. “I was looking out the window and spun around and she said ‘what’s up with you?’
“I said ‘I’ve just been made the Test captain of Australia. And she said ‘yeah, but it’s only for this week isn’t it?’”
“If I’m totally honest, I s*** myself,” Paine added. “I didn’t know what to do. I’d captained Tasmania when I was quite young … and looking back I was a horrible captain. I was punchy, aggressive … everything was everyone else’s fault, it wasn’t my fault.”
We got distracted by India’s ‘sideshows’
After series defeats against Pakistan and India to start his reign, Paine was able to right the ship in 2019 as Australia reeled off triumphs against Sri Lanka, England, Pakistan and New Zealand.
But they lost a dramatic series to India last summer which he indicated came after his team allowed it to be distracted by the visitors.
“Part of the challenge of playing against India is they’re very good at niggling you and trying to distract you with stuff that doesn’t really matter and there were times in that series where we fell for that,” he said.
“The classic example was when they said they weren’t going to the Gabba so we didn’t know where we were going. They’re very good at creating these sideshows and we took our eye off the ball.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...n/news-story/9d7e7538106d4515e309157411e3c6e4
Smith’s case has been steadily building as his form remains superb and the stain of South Africa gradually washes away in the eyes of important figures in the Australian cricket fraternity and large parts of the public.
Paine has previously recognised Smith’s ambitions to return to the role he lost after the ball-tampering scandal in Cape Town but went a step further while speaking at a function for the Chappell Foundation at the SCG on Wednesday night.
Paine, who has secured 11 wins and four draws in 23 matches as skipper, said Smith deserved another opportunity in the top job.
“I think so. Obviously I don’t make that decision but the time I played with Steve as captain he was excellent. Certainly tactically he is as good as you get,” Paine said.
“He’s probably a bit like me when I was at the start of my captaincy journey in Tasmania — he was thrown into a very big role at a very, very young age and he probably wasn’t quite ready for it.
“But by the time I came in he was growing into that role and getting better and better. Then obviously South Africa events happened and he’s not doing it anymore. But yeah I would support him getting that job again.”
Paine’s declaration received a rousing reception by the 500-strong audience before he was asked how much longer he expected to be in the role.
“At least another six Tests,” said the 36-year-old, who is locked in for a home summer featuring one match against Afghanistan and five-Test Ashes series.
“If I feel like the time is right and we’ve beaten the Poms 5-0, what a way to go out. But it might be a tight series and we might be chasing 300 on the last day and I’m 100 not out and hit the winning runs — and then I might go again.”
Paine: I s*** myself when they made me captain
Paine was initially thrust into the role on day four of the infamous Cape Town Test in 2018 after Smith and vice-captain David Warner stood down from their leadership positions for their roles in the ball-tampering scandal.
A few days later, after the touring party had moved to Johannesburg ahead of the Fourth Test, he was summoned to a meeting at a hotel with high performance manager Pat Howard and Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland and given the job full-time.
“I was pretty much told there’d been a board meeting back in Australia and I was the 46th Test captain of Australia,” Paine said.
He went back to his hotel room where he was later joined by his wife, Bonnie, daughter, Milla, and his mum, Sally.
“Mum says it looked like I’d seen a ghost,” Paine said. “I was looking out the window and spun around and she said ‘what’s up with you?’
“I said ‘I’ve just been made the Test captain of Australia. And she said ‘yeah, but it’s only for this week isn’t it?’”
“If I’m totally honest, I s*** myself,” Paine added. “I didn’t know what to do. I’d captained Tasmania when I was quite young … and looking back I was a horrible captain. I was punchy, aggressive … everything was everyone else’s fault, it wasn’t my fault.”
We got distracted by India’s ‘sideshows’
After series defeats against Pakistan and India to start his reign, Paine was able to right the ship in 2019 as Australia reeled off triumphs against Sri Lanka, England, Pakistan and New Zealand.
But they lost a dramatic series to India last summer which he indicated came after his team allowed it to be distracted by the visitors.
“Part of the challenge of playing against India is they’re very good at niggling you and trying to distract you with stuff that doesn’t really matter and there were times in that series where we fell for that,” he said.
“The classic example was when they said they weren’t going to the Gabba so we didn’t know where we were going. They’re very good at creating these sideshows and we took our eye off the ball.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...n/news-story/9d7e7538106d4515e309157411e3c6e4
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Stupid excuses by Paine in trying to divert attention from his own failures, India won the series because they were the better team not because the Australians somehow got sidestepped by Indian complaints about quarantine requirements in Brisbane. This Australian team is the most mentally weak cricket team from that country since the Kim Hughes era.
Paine's period as captain is coming to an end.
Paine's period as captain is coming to an end.
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It doesn't seem like Paine will be captain past the Australian summer.
Also noticed how these Australians over react when they get some positive news. Can remember reading Maxwell talking about when he first got picked up for the IPL and I cringed at the story. He claimed to have not known what day the auction was and that Mickey Arthur and Michael Clarke told him he had been bought. Lol as if you sign up for an auction like the IPL and aren't told what day the auction is.
Paine reaction to being made captain seems OTT. Why would you not feel proud? What is there to be scared of lol?
Also noticed how these Australians over react when they get some positive news. Can remember reading Maxwell talking about when he first got picked up for the IPL and I cringed at the story. He claimed to have not known what day the auction was and that Mickey Arthur and Michael Clarke told him he had been bought. Lol as if you sign up for an auction like the IPL and aren't told what day the auction is.
Paine reaction to being made captain seems OTT. Why would you not feel proud? What is there to be scared of lol?
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Not much has changed, it seems.
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Oh from the days of Australian media acting as the 12th man for their national team, peppering the touring team with a slew of hot takes and damning articles from the moment they land on the Australian shores till the end of the tour, the hostile Australian crowds giving endless stick to the fielders and the mental disintegration theory of Steve Waugh's men to Tim Paine complaining about India mentally distracting the Australian cricket team with wrong info regarding their willingness to play, we've come the full circle
On a different note, I do like Paine and that can't wait to get you to the Gabba comment had been overblown a bit as usually happens with Indian media. But he's really optimistic when he talks about the prospect of him hitting a winning century chasing 300 on the last day in an Ashes test, when he is a running joke among Australian fans for his very low century count even in his first class career.
On a different note, I do like Paine and that can't wait to get you to the Gabba comment had been overblown a bit as usually happens with Indian media. But he's really optimistic when he talks about the prospect of him hitting a winning century chasing 300 on the last day in an Ashes test, when he is a running joke among Australian fans for his very low century count even in his first class career.
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Makes the victory even sweeter 
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Oh from the days of Australian media acting as the 12th man for their national team, peppering the touring team with a slew of hot takes and damning articles from the moment they land on the Australian shores till the end of the tour, the hostile Australian crowds giving endless stick to the fielders and the mental disintegration theory of Steve Waugh's men to Tim Paine complaining about India mentally distracting the Australian cricket team with wrong info regarding their willingness to play, we've come the full circle
On a different note, I do like Paine and that can't wait to get you to the Gabba comment had been overblown a bit as usually happens with Indian media. But he's really optimistic when he talks about the prospect of him hitting a winning century chasing 300 on the last day in an Ashes test, when he is a running joke among Australian fans for his very low century count even in his first class career.
As notorious as Indian media is, Tim Paine should have known better. India were a bruised lot but kept to their business. he should have kept shut, has a habit of putting "foot in his mouth"
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Australian Test captain Tim Paine will undergo surgery in Hobart tomorrow to repair a pinched nerve in his neck which will allow him to fully prepare for the upcoming Test summer.
Paine had been suffering pain in his neck and left arm due to a bulging disc which reduced his ability to train at full intensity and has not responded to treatment.
He consulted a spinal surgeon in Hobart late last week. The surgeon recommended the surgery to relieve the pressure on the nerve and allow Paine time to return to training later this month.
“The consensus of the spinal surgeon and the CA medical team was to have the surgery now which will allow plenty of time to fully prepare for the summer,” Paine said.
“I expect to be able to restart physical activity by the end of this month and be back in full training in October. I will be ready to go by the first Test and am very much looking forward to what will be a huge summer.”
Paine had been suffering pain in his neck and left arm due to a bulging disc which reduced his ability to train at full intensity and has not responded to treatment.
He consulted a spinal surgeon in Hobart late last week. The surgeon recommended the surgery to relieve the pressure on the nerve and allow Paine time to return to training later this month.
“The consensus of the spinal surgeon and the CA medical team was to have the surgery now which will allow plenty of time to fully prepare for the summer,” Paine said.
“I expect to be able to restart physical activity by the end of this month and be back in full training in October. I will be ready to go by the first Test and am very much looking forward to what will be a huge summer.”
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