Trump raises India tariffs to 50% over Russian oil purchases [Update@post#255]

[IronShield]

Nah the fact that Russia (see the Ambassador's statements) is being measured in it's response means some deal has been worked out behind the scenes. Trump is a child in many ways and the idea should always be to give him visible wins while doing whatever you want away from the public eye.

I expect a lot will change on the face while nothing much changes in reality. India will probably see a sudden increase in shipments from another source - Venezuela? Iran? which will in reality be Russian oil redirected.

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Trump lied again and pakistanis start jumping India has already denied trump’s claims


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

Trump is a liar who thinks geopolitics is some boardroom joke and people won’t call him out

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

Trump is a fool he thinks he is god and people won’t call will just do what he says because he lives in the white house. His perception of the world is far from reality

 

[cricketjoshila]

India kept buying iranian oil via other countries despite trump ban. Such things have been happening.

 

[Devadwal]

So all that MODI did this to America, Modi did that to America... SUPAPOWA etc. etc. is gone..

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Trump says Modi has agreed to stop buying Russian oil

President Donald Trump has said Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has agreed to stop buying Russian oil, as the US seeks to put economic pressure on the Kremlin as part of efforts to end the war in Ukraine.

Trump told reporters he had received assurances from Modi that India would halt its purchases "within a short period of time", which he called "a big stop".

A spokeswoman for the Indian embassy in Washington DC would not comment. The US president has sought to leverage India's purchases of Russian oil in his trade war, but Delhi has resisted, creating a diplomatic rift.

Oil and gas are Russia's biggest exports, and Moscow's biggest customers include China, India and Turkey.

"Now I've got to get China to do the same thing," Trump said in the Oval Office on Wednesday, as part of his administration's broader push to cut off Moscow's energy funding.

The Trump administration is also pushing Japan to stop importing oil and gas from Russia, and US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said he communicated this "expectation" to visiting Japanese Finance Minister Katsunobu Kato on Wednesday.

India cannot "immediately" halt oil shipments, Trump said, adding that the shift will be "a little bit of a process, but the process is going to be over with soon".

The Trump administration has imposed 50% tariffs on goods from India, levies that Trump has characterised as punishment against Delhi for buying Russian oil and weapons.

The tariffs – which took effect in August and are among the highest in the world – include a 25% penalty for transactions with Russia that are a key source of funds for its war in Ukraine.

Modi has for months stood his ground, arguing that India is neutral in the Russia-Ukraine war despite his country's ties with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

Indian officials have called the Trump administration's accusations that Delhi profits from Russia's war in Ukraine a double standard, citing ongoing trade with Russia in the US and Europe.

India relies on Russian crude oil, which Delhi has continued to buy at a discount, to support its economy - the fifth largest in the world.

The dispute over Russian oil has strained the relationship between Trump and Modi, although the US president on Wednesday praised the Indian leader as a "great man".

Modi said last week that he spoke with Trump and that they "reviewed good progress achieved in trade negotiations".

BBC

This u-turn deserves a thread of its own!!

Modi surrendered yet again!!

This has nothing to do with the good for the common man/woman in India but all to do with saving Modi's billionaire overlords from the US going after them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978793215634317716

yet again False claimed by psycho Trump and delusional Pakistani people started Bhangra over it.

No one can dedicated indian policy unlike Pakistan who is just puppet of USA.

 

[IronShield]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

Trump is a liar who thinks geopolitics is some boardroom joke and people won’t call him out

Read the article again.... It's a very Indian thing to do and go off on a tangent. They made it about modi speaking to trump.

You do realise, the Indian ambassador was there, not sure of its here or in another one, he points him out and says Indian ambassador is here. Modi could be reassuring trump via the ambassador. That is what they do, they carry messages.

But again Indians do what they do best... and obfuscate and spin into some victory. Just say it then clearly if they have stopped buying Russian oil or not. Simple.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't expect the americans to be charitable after Modi ran off to Shanghai like a phool to embrace Xi and Putin; images of which which were splashed across all the world newspapers and annoyed Uncle Sam. Modi is as low IQ as they come.

Modi is diversifying and not putting all eggs in us basket. Is is no body’s ally and unreliable.

 

[Markhor]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

Trump is a liar who thinks geopolitics is some boardroom joke and people won’t call him out

Was it not apparent to Indians, when their Govt worked tirelessly to butter Trump up during his first term in office, that he was a liar and a bluffer ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read the article again.... It's a very Indian thing to do and go off on a tangent. They made it about modi speaking to trump.

You do realise, the Indian ambassador was there, not sure of its here or in another one, he points him out and says Indian ambassador is here. Modi could be reassuring trump via the ambassador. That is what they do, they carry messages.

But again Indians do what they do best... and obfuscate and spin into some victory. Just say it then clearly if they have stopped buying Russian oil or not. Simple.

FM Nirmala Sitharaman says India will continue to buy Russian oil, guided solely by national interest

www.newsonair.gov.in

India says we will keep buying oil from wherever it suits us including Russia,

Pakistanis can keep dancing to trumps lies

 

[IronShield]

FM Nirmala Sitharaman says India will continue to buy Russian oil, guided solely by national interest

www.newsonair.gov.in

India says we will keep buying oil from wherever it suits us including Russia,

Pakistanis can keep dancing to trumps lies

That article is from 6th September... Yesterday was 15th October.

You are not even trying hard anymore Joshila bhai. This is really sad.

 

[IronShield]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978793215634317716

yet again False claimed by psycho Trump and delusional Pakistani people started Bhangra over it.

No one can dedicated indian policy unlike Pakistan who is just puppet of USA.

1. You still haven't said how Cpl Kumar lost his arm on an airbase in May.

2. Have they put out statement unequivocally denying trump's claim on Indian stopping Russian oil? It is very simple.

3. Whether Modi spoke on Phone or via his ambassador who was there in the whitehouse is immaterial. Its all the same.

 

[Devadwal]

1. You still haven't said how Cpl Kumar lost his arm on an airbase in May.

2. Have they put out statement unequivocally denying trump's claim on Indian stopping Russian oil? It is very simple.

3. Whether Modi spoke on Phone or via his ambassador who was there in the whitehouse is immaterial. Its all the same.

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

What type of drone was this ? And is this referring to the debris of the drone or some statue?

 

[IronShield]

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

LOL.... The soldier died and its not him.

Another one that goes to web to try and support their fantasies but in vain. Did you think I was not going to open the link?

try again, how did Cpl Kumar lose his arm?

What fake propaganda about Shivangi? Have you seen her live interview or anything? She was active before the war and not after.

 

[HalBass9]

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

Indian source.

 

[Devadwal]

What type of drone was this ? And is this referring to the debris of the drone or some statue?

Maybe read the article first then you would have not asked this silly questions

 

[HalBass9]

Maybe read the article first then you would have not asked this silly questions

Still Indian narrative, except Indians, no one believe in Indian narrative anymore.

Indian source.

 

[IronShield]

Indian source.

It's a different person. This one in the article is Susendra Kumar Moga. The one who lost his arm is Varun Kumar and is very much alive.

@Devadwal tried to deceive us by doing a switcharoo of one Kumar for another. Caught red handed...

 

[Devadwal]

LOL.... The soldier died and its not him.

Another one that goes to web to try and support their fantasies but in vain. Did you think I was not going to open the link?

try again, how did Cpl Kumar lose his arm?

Lol stop spreading fake propaganda , a Jawan was martyred while another is injured

He lost his limb due to sharpnels of failing debris which Pakistan army fired on udhampur ..... their was not a single Pakistani missile hit on any indian bases lol

 

[HalBass9]

It's a different person. This one in the article is Susendra Kumar Moga. The one who lost his arm is Varun Kumar and is very much alive.

@Devadwal tried to deceive us by doing a switcharoo of one Kumar for another. Caught red handed...

He doesn’t post for the forum, he posts exclusively for @Rajdeep

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.

Tbf he is a bit of a fool lol but you are right about risking his ire.

 

[Devadwal]

Still Indian narrative, except Indians, no one believe in Indian narrative anymore.

Indian source.

No one believe on Pakistan fake propaganda. #HaiHimmat then showed me a single satellite imaginary of impact on Indian Airbase.

Take the help from new USA and China , they are experts of satellite imagers

 

[KingKhanWC]

What type of drone was this ? And is this referring to the debris of the drone or some statue?

The article doesnt mention the type of drone. Do you know? Also why is he being referred to as a Jawan, the bloke looks about 55 in the photo?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

4 step Modi doctrine

1. Surrender
2. Deny surrender
3. Lie about surrender
4. Cry about surrender

 

[Devadwal]

4 step failed marshal munira and Pakistan doctrine

1. Surrender
2. Deny surrender
3. Lie about surrender
4. Cry about surrender

Fixed it for you and it's based on reality instead Fake Propaganda like you

 

[Devadwal]

The article doesnt mention the type of drone. Do you know? Also why is he being referred to as a Jawan, the bloke looks about 55 in the photo?

Pakistan used 300-400 Turkish drones to attempt infiltration, tried to target India's military installations on May 8-9: MEA

India has accused Pakistan of using Turkish-made drones, specifically Asisguard Songar models, for large-scale aerial surveillance and attempted attacks on military installations across its western border. According to Colonel Sofiya Qureshi, between May 7 and 9, Pakistan violated Indian...

m.economictimes.com

Unlike Pakistan we have defeated system to destroy missile, drones with ease.

But Pakistan failed to stop a single bramose missiles, forget about Pakistan most of countries don't have capability to intercept brahmos including China . And we have Many more advanced version of bramose which we haven't used.

 

[Red-Indian]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

Trump is very smart in a few ways and an idiot in many ways. The challenge of course is how to leverage his lack of attention to nuance and detail.

As far as being confident on a way being found, it's not just because of Indian genius (though I must say Indian foreign policy has been decently well managed over the last few years). It's because of the whole system behind it. World oil prices are currently low because Russia can export oil through India. Basically crude refined by India. Below graph from Reuters illustrates where Reliance Industries - by far the biggest player in this gets it's oil from and where it sends it to. You can see Europe and other Asian countries are big buyers.



There are so many moving parts to this that you could see global consequences of India suddenly stopping buying crude from Russia and trying to buy from elsewhere. There have to be discussions on who's making up the $50B in Russian crude India buys. Is Saudi Arabia producing more?

That's why I'm pretty sure a workaround will be found at least in the short term. If not Venezuela, Iran etc...countries that don't mind fronting for Russia. The moment Trump realises that Russia crude dropping out of the market, means higher prices at the pump for American consumers and higher inflation for everyone, he'll sing a different tune.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fixed it for you and it's based on reality instead Fake Propaganda like you

Field marshall is in charge of Pakistan army

Trump is in charge of India. He has declared ceasefire for you, and stopped you buying oil. Both things Modi denies.

How can a foreign President get away with making statements on your behalf?

The answer

Surrender

 

[IronShield]

Pakistan used 300-400 Turkish drones to attempt infiltration, tried to target India's military installations on May 8-9: MEA

India has accused Pakistan of using Turkish-made drones, specifically Asisguard Songar models, for large-scale aerial surveillance and attempted attacks on military installations across its western border. According to Colonel Sofiya Qureshi, between May 7 and 9, Pakistan violated Indian...

m.economictimes.com

Unlike Pakistan we have defeated system to destroy missile, drones with ease.

But Pakistan failed to stop a single bramose missiles, forget about Pakistan most of countries don't have capability to intercept brahmos including China . And we have Many more advanced version of bramose which we haven't used.

No. You tried to deceive and got caught, tried to palm off one Kumar for another. Where is the mention of Varun Kumar getting hit by falling debris? The Indian source I posted specifically mentioned missile attack.

 

[Devadwal]

No. You tried to deceive and got caught, tried to palm off one Kumar for another. Where is the mention of Varun Kumar getting hit by falling debris? The Indian source I posted specifically mentioned missile attack.

I exposed every fake propaganda of your from Shivangi to injured person of security from and latest Trump lie about India.

What next?

 

[HalBass9]

No one believe on Pakistan fake propaganda. #HaiHimmat then showed me a single satellite imaginary of impact on Indian Airbase.

Take the help from new USA and China , they are experts of satellite imagers

Why do you believe that I'd care if you believe me, Pakistani or anyone else except Indians?