Trump raises India tariffs to 50% over Russian oil purchases [Update@post#255]

[IronShield]

Nah the fact that Russia (see the Ambassador's statements) is being measured in it's response means some deal has been worked out behind the scenes. Trump is a child in many ways and the idea should always be to give him visible wins while doing whatever you want away from the public eye.

I expect a lot will change on the face while nothing much changes in reality. India will probably see a sudden increase in shipments from another source - Venezuela? Iran? which will in reality be Russian oil redirected.

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Trump lied again and pakistanis start jumping India has already denied trump’s claims


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

Trump is a liar who thinks geopolitics is some boardroom joke and people won’t call him out

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

Trump is a fool he thinks he is god and people won’t call will just do what he says because he lives in the white house. His perception of the world is far from reality

 

[cricketjoshila]

India kept buying iranian oil via other countries despite trump ban. Such things have been happening.

 

[Devadwal]

So all that MODI did this to America, Modi did that to America... SUPAPOWA etc. etc. is gone..

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Trump says Modi has agreed to stop buying Russian oil

President Donald Trump has said Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has agreed to stop buying Russian oil, as the US seeks to put economic pressure on the Kremlin as part of efforts to end the war in Ukraine.

Trump told reporters he had received assurances from Modi that India would halt its purchases "within a short period of time", which he called "a big stop".

A spokeswoman for the Indian embassy in Washington DC would not comment. The US president has sought to leverage India's purchases of Russian oil in his trade war, but Delhi has resisted, creating a diplomatic rift.

Oil and gas are Russia's biggest exports, and Moscow's biggest customers include China, India and Turkey.

"Now I've got to get China to do the same thing," Trump said in the Oval Office on Wednesday, as part of his administration's broader push to cut off Moscow's energy funding.

The Trump administration is also pushing Japan to stop importing oil and gas from Russia, and US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said he communicated this "expectation" to visiting Japanese Finance Minister Katsunobu Kato on Wednesday.

India cannot "immediately" halt oil shipments, Trump said, adding that the shift will be "a little bit of a process, but the process is going to be over with soon".

The Trump administration has imposed 50% tariffs on goods from India, levies that Trump has characterised as punishment against Delhi for buying Russian oil and weapons.

The tariffs – which took effect in August and are among the highest in the world – include a 25% penalty for transactions with Russia that are a key source of funds for its war in Ukraine.

Modi has for months stood his ground, arguing that India is neutral in the Russia-Ukraine war despite his country's ties with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

Indian officials have called the Trump administration's accusations that Delhi profits from Russia's war in Ukraine a double standard, citing ongoing trade with Russia in the US and Europe.

India relies on Russian crude oil, which Delhi has continued to buy at a discount, to support its economy - the fifth largest in the world.

The dispute over Russian oil has strained the relationship between Trump and Modi, although the US president on Wednesday praised the Indian leader as a "great man".

Modi said last week that he spoke with Trump and that they "reviewed good progress achieved in trade negotiations".

BBC

This u-turn deserves a thread of its own!!

Modi surrendered yet again!!

This has nothing to do with the good for the common man/woman in India but all to do with saving Modi's billionaire overlords from the US going after them.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978793215634317716

yet again False claimed by psycho Trump and delusional Pakistani people started Bhangra over it.

No one can dedicated indian policy unlike Pakistan who is just puppet of USA.

 

[IronShield]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

Trump is a liar who thinks geopolitics is some boardroom joke and people won’t call him out

Read the article again.... It's a very Indian thing to do and go off on a tangent. They made it about modi speaking to trump.

You do realise, the Indian ambassador was there, not sure of its here or in another one, he points him out and says Indian ambassador is here. Modi could be reassuring trump via the ambassador. That is what they do, they carry messages.

But again Indians do what they do best... and obfuscate and spin into some victory. Just say it then clearly if they have stopped buying Russian oil or not. Simple.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't expect the americans to be charitable after Modi ran off to Shanghai like a phool to embrace Xi and Putin; images of which which were splashed across all the world newspapers and annoyed Uncle Sam. Modi is as low IQ as they come.

Modi is diversifying and not putting all eggs in us basket. Is is no body’s ally and unreliable.

 

[Markhor]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...hase-of-russian-oil/articleshow/124604813.cms

Trump is a liar who thinks geopolitics is some boardroom joke and people won’t call him out

Was it not apparent to Indians, when their Govt worked tirelessly to butter Trump up during his first term in office, that he was a liar and a bluffer ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read the article again.... It's a very Indian thing to do and go off on a tangent. They made it about modi speaking to trump.

You do realise, the Indian ambassador was there, not sure of its here or in another one, he points him out and says Indian ambassador is here. Modi could be reassuring trump via the ambassador. That is what they do, they carry messages.

But again Indians do what they do best... and obfuscate and spin into some victory. Just say it then clearly if they have stopped buying Russian oil or not. Simple.

FM Nirmala Sitharaman says India will continue to buy Russian oil, guided solely by national interest

www.newsonair.gov.in

India says we will keep buying oil from wherever it suits us including Russia,

Pakistanis can keep dancing to trumps lies

 

[IronShield]

FM Nirmala Sitharaman says India will continue to buy Russian oil, guided solely by national interest

www.newsonair.gov.in

India says we will keep buying oil from wherever it suits us including Russia,

Pakistanis can keep dancing to trumps lies

That article is from 6th September... Yesterday was 15th October.

You are not even trying hard anymore Joshila bhai. This is really sad.

 

[IronShield]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978793215634317716

yet again False claimed by psycho Trump and delusional Pakistani people started Bhangra over it.

No one can dedicated indian policy unlike Pakistan who is just puppet of USA.

1. You still haven't said how Cpl Kumar lost his arm on an airbase in May.

2. Have they put out statement unequivocally denying trump's claim on Indian stopping Russian oil? It is very simple.

3. Whether Modi spoke on Phone or via his ambassador who was there in the whitehouse is immaterial. Its all the same.

 

[Devadwal]

1. You still haven't said how Cpl Kumar lost his arm on an airbase in May.

2. Have they put out statement unequivocally denying trump's claim on Indian stopping Russian oil? It is very simple.

3. Whether Modi spoke on Phone or via his ambassador who was there in the whitehouse is immaterial. Its all the same.

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

What type of drone was this ? And is this referring to the debris of the drone or some statue?

 

[IronShield]

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

LOL.... The soldier died and its not him.

Another one that goes to web to try and support their fantasies but in vain. Did you think I was not going to open the link?

try again, how did Cpl Kumar lose his arm?

What fake propaganda about Shivangi? Have you seen her live interview or anything? She was active before the war and not after.

 

[HalBass9]

Yes like your fake propaganda about Shivangi.

I already showed ,If only you had some sense of how to research

Soldier killed guarding air base after Pakistani drone strike in J&K’s Udhampur

Indian soldier killed by Pakistani drone at Udhampur air base despite successful interception, Rajasthan CM pays tribute.

www.thehindu.com

"The Indian Air Defence successfully intercepted the drones in the air, but a jawan was hit by a fallen debris resulting in critical injuries to him"

To Discuss with me talk based on fact not fake propaganda. Otherwise you will exposed everytime

Indian source.

 

[Devadwal]

What type of drone was this ? And is this referring to the debris of the drone or some statue?

Maybe read the article first then you would have not asked this silly questions

 

[HalBass9]

Maybe read the article first then you would have not asked this silly questions

Still Indian narrative, except Indians, no one believe in Indian narrative anymore.

Indian source.

 

[IronShield]

Indian source.

It's a different person. This one in the article is Susendra Kumar Moga. The one who lost his arm is Varun Kumar and is very much alive.

@Devadwal tried to deceive us by doing a switcharoo of one Kumar for another. Caught red handed...

 

[Devadwal]

LOL.... The soldier died and its not him.

Another one that goes to web to try and support their fantasies but in vain. Did you think I was not going to open the link?

try again, how did Cpl Kumar lose his arm?

Lol stop spreading fake propaganda , a Jawan was martyred while another is injured

He lost his limb due to sharpnels of failing debris which Pakistan army fired on udhampur ..... their was not a single Pakistani missile hit on any indian bases lol

 

[HalBass9]

It's a different person. This one in the article is Susendra Kumar Moga. The one who lost his arm is Varun Kumar and is very much alive.

@Devadwal tried to deceive us by doing a switcharoo of one Kumar for another. Caught red handed...

He doesn’t post for the forum, he posts exclusively for @Rajdeep

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.

Tbf he is a bit of a fool lol but you are right about risking his ire.

 

[Devadwal]

Still Indian narrative, except Indians, no one believe in Indian narrative anymore.

Indian source.

No one believe on Pakistan fake propaganda. #HaiHimmat then showed me a single satellite imaginary of impact on Indian Airbase.

Take the help from new USA and China , they are experts of satellite imagers

 

[KingKhanWC]

What type of drone was this ? And is this referring to the debris of the drone or some statue?

The article doesnt mention the type of drone. Do you know? Also why is he being referred to as a Jawan, the bloke looks about 55 in the photo?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

4 step Modi doctrine

1. Surrender
2. Deny surrender
3. Lie about surrender
4. Cry about surrender

 

[Devadwal]

4 step failed marshal munira and Pakistan doctrine

1. Surrender
2. Deny surrender
3. Lie about surrender
4. Cry about surrender

Fixed it for you and it's based on reality instead Fake Propaganda like you

 

[Devadwal]

The article doesnt mention the type of drone. Do you know? Also why is he being referred to as a Jawan, the bloke looks about 55 in the photo?

Pakistan used 300-400 Turkish drones to attempt infiltration, tried to target India's military installations on May 8-9: MEA

India has accused Pakistan of using Turkish-made drones, specifically Asisguard Songar models, for large-scale aerial surveillance and attempted attacks on military installations across its western border. According to Colonel Sofiya Qureshi, between May 7 and 9, Pakistan violated Indian...

m.economictimes.com

Unlike Pakistan we have defeated system to destroy missile, drones with ease.

But Pakistan failed to stop a single bramose missiles, forget about Pakistan most of countries don't have capability to intercept brahmos including China . And we have Many more advanced version of bramose which we haven't used.

 

[Red-Indian]

Again, you are taking Trump as a fool. And he is far from that. You risk his ire even more trying to be too clever.
How is Venezuelan oil be Russian redirected or for the matter Iran? Don't you think they need to sell their own to keep their own economies. They will stop exporting their own oil so India can make money at their own expense. Makes sense does it?

Venezuela has US troops surrounding it with an imminent regime change in the offing and similarly Iran is too busy trying to overcome what happened to it recently.

I know you are an Indian, and so in your world anything that India does, always has a genius move behind it. However, for the rest of us in the real world, India has just been forced to kowtow to Trump.

Trump is very smart in a few ways and an idiot in many ways. The challenge of course is how to leverage his lack of attention to nuance and detail.

As far as being confident on a way being found, it's not just because of Indian genius (though I must say Indian foreign policy has been decently well managed over the last few years). It's because of the whole system behind it. World oil prices are currently low because Russia can export oil through India. Basically crude refined by India. Below graph from Reuters illustrates where Reliance Industries - by far the biggest player in this gets it's oil from and where it sends it to. You can see Europe and other Asian countries are big buyers.



There are so many moving parts to this that you could see global consequences of India suddenly stopping buying crude from Russia and trying to buy from elsewhere. There have to be discussions on who's making up the $50B in Russian crude India buys. Is Saudi Arabia producing more?

That's why I'm pretty sure a workaround will be found at least in the short term. If not Venezuela, Iran etc...countries that don't mind fronting for Russia. The moment Trump realises that Russia crude dropping out of the market, means higher prices at the pump for American consumers and higher inflation for everyone, he'll sing a different tune.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fixed it for you and it's based on reality instead Fake Propaganda like you

Field marshall is in charge of Pakistan army

Trump is in charge of India. He has declared ceasefire for you, and stopped you buying oil. Both things Modi denies.

How can a foreign President get away with making statements on your behalf?

The answer

Surrender

 

[IronShield]

Pakistan used 300-400 Turkish drones to attempt infiltration, tried to target India's military installations on May 8-9: MEA

India has accused Pakistan of using Turkish-made drones, specifically Asisguard Songar models, for large-scale aerial surveillance and attempted attacks on military installations across its western border. According to Colonel Sofiya Qureshi, between May 7 and 9, Pakistan violated Indian...

m.economictimes.com

Unlike Pakistan we have defeated system to destroy missile, drones with ease.

But Pakistan failed to stop a single bramose missiles, forget about Pakistan most of countries don't have capability to intercept brahmos including China . And we have Many more advanced version of bramose which we haven't used.

No. You tried to deceive and got caught, tried to palm off one Kumar for another. Where is the mention of Varun Kumar getting hit by falling debris? The Indian source I posted specifically mentioned missile attack.

 

[Devadwal]

No. You tried to deceive and got caught, tried to palm off one Kumar for another. Where is the mention of Varun Kumar getting hit by falling debris? The Indian source I posted specifically mentioned missile attack.

I exposed every fake propaganda of your from Shivangi to injured person of security from and latest Trump lie about India.

What next?

 

[HalBass9]

No one believe on Pakistan fake propaganda. #HaiHimmat then showed me a single satellite imaginary of impact on Indian Airbase.

Take the help from new USA and China , they are experts of satellite imagers

Why do you believe that I'd care if you believe me, Pakistani or anyone else except Indians?

 

[Devadwal]

Why do you believe that I'd care if you believe me, Pakistani or anyone else except Indians?

Do I care about you opinion? Absolutely not . Now continue with Hindutva, sanghi etc propaganda

 

[Devadwal]

India to USA - Pakistan samja hai kya. So chal be.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978544361487954380

 

[IronShield]

Trump is very smart in a few ways and an idiot in many ways. The challenge of course is how to leverage his lack of attention to nuance and detail.

As far as being confident on a way being found, it's not just because of Indian genius (though I must say Indian foreign policy has been decently well managed over the last few years). It's because of the whole system behind it. World oil prices are currently low because Russia can export oil through India. Basically crude refined by India. Below graph from Reuters illustrates where Reliance Industries - by far the biggest player in this gets it's oil from and where it sends it to. You can see Europe and other Asian countries are big buyers.

View attachment 158760

There are so many moving parts to this that you could see global consequences of India suddenly stopping buying crude from Russia and trying to buy from elsewhere. There have to be discussions on who's making up the $50B in Russian crude India buys. Is Saudi Arabia producing more?

That's why I'm pretty sure a workaround will be found at least in the short term. If not Venezuela, Iran etc...countries that don't mind fronting for Russia. The moment Trump realises that Russia crude dropping out of the market, means higher prices at the pump for American consumers and higher inflation for everyone, he'll sing a different tune.

India imports to export far beyond its domestic requirement, whereas other countries buy for their domestic use. So he is going after India which is clearly doing it for money over the dead bodies of Ukrainians. If India stops, the europeans and others automatically fall in line.

India stops laundering oil for Russia, then Russia has to look to ceasefire. Russian oil comes then back to market naturally. Look at this beautiful solution, no third party money siphoning needed and Ukraianians don't keep on dying.

 

[IronShield]

I exposed every fake propaganda of your from Shivangi to injured person of security from and latest Trump lie about India.

What next?

errr what? Have you lost the plot?

I have just caught you out lying red handed

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

 

[Devadwal]

errr what? Have you lost the plot?

I have just caught you out lying red handed

I already exposed your propoganda, next please

 

[HalBass9]

Do I care about you opinion? Absolutely not . Now continue with Hindutva, sanghi etc propaganda

Hindutva is a reality, and no Hindutva cares about facts, which means the reality is false, and your alternative facts are the truth. So obviously, you wouldn’t care about anyone’s opinion that doesn’t align with Hindutva lies.

 

[IronShield]

I already exposed your propoganda, next please

Now you want to run away from this .... not so fast Mr.

Only thing you have exposed is yourself and its all for everyone to see.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

India's foreign ministry has said it is "not aware" of a phone call in which US President Donald Trump claimed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi agreed to stop purchasing Russian oil

On Wednesday, Trump said his Indian counterpart had "assured me today" that it would end Russian oil imports, a move the US has pushed for in a bid to increase economic pressure on the Kremlin to end the war in Ukraine.

But asked about the call on Thursday, an Indian government spokesman cast doubt on Trump's account, saying he was "not aware of any conversation between the two leaders" taking place the previous day.

The Indian government had earlier said discussions were still "ongoing" with the US over its Russian oil purchases.

It comes as a White House official confirmed to the BBC that Trump plans to speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin in a call on Thursday.

India has become a key energy customer for Russia since the outbreak of the war, partly allowing the Kremlin to withstand the impact of Ukrainian allies slashing oil and gas imports, the country's biggest export market.

The Trump administration has put public and diplomatic pressure on India to end its support for the Russian energy market as it seeks to increase the Kremlin's economic isolation and force an end to the war. Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Speaking at the White House on Wednesday, Trump said he had received assurances from Modi on Wednesday that India would halt its purchases "within a short period of time".

In its initial response, the Indian government did not directly dispute that the call between Trump and Modi had taken place. It read: "Our consistent priority to safeguard the interests of the Indian consumer in a volatile energy scenario. Our import policies are guided entirely by this objective."

The Indian government's second response on Thursday raises further questions over whether a deal has been struck between Washington and Delhi.

BBC News has contacted the White House and State Department for comment.

Delhi's continued reliance on Russian crude oil, which it imports at a discount, have become a key source of contention in US-India relations under the Trump administration, which has taken a tougher line on the Ukraine war after Putin failed to agree a peace deal with the White House.

India is second only to China for how much Russian energy it imports, funding which helps to prevent the collapse of Russia's critical fossil fuel industry.

Modi's government has accused Ukraine's allies of hypocrisy, pointing to ongoing trade with Russia, including energy imports to the European Union, albeit at reduced levels.

In its latest round of sanctions unveiled this week, the UK government said it would target a major Indian oil refinery as it "continue(s) to get facilitate getting Russian oil onto global markets". Officials said India's Nayara Energy Limited imported 100 million barrels of Russian crude oil worth more than $5bn (£3.75bn) in 2024 alone.

India casts doubt on Donald Trump's claim Narendra Modi will stop buying Russian oil - BBC News

The Indian government says it is "not aware" of a call in which the US president claimed India's leader made the commitment.

www.bbc.com

 

[Red-Indian]

India imports to export far beyond its domestic requirement, whereas other countries buy for their domestic use. So he is going after India which is clearly doing it for money over the dead bodies of Ukrainians. If India stops, the europeans and others automatically fall in line.

India stops laundering oil for Russia, then Russia has to look to ceasefire. Russian oil comes then back to market naturally. Look at this beautiful solution, no third party money siphoning needed and Ukraianians don't keep on dying.

Are you sure you're not using economics from Trump University?

Let me make it simple. Yes India buys crude from Russia, refines and sells it to many countries including European countries because they need it. If India stops buying and refining Russian crude, it doesn't mean refined petroleum suddenly appears from somewhere else by magic forcing Russia to it's knees. I'm sure some countries will step up production but essentially there will be a shortage of crude at least in the short and more likely in the medium term.

Yes we can punish Russia by taking away it's second biggest crude market but everyone including Americans, Europeans, Pakistanis and Indians will have to be willing to pay the price - a much higher price at the pump.

 

[Devadwal]

Now you want to run away from this .... not so fast Mr.

Only thing you have exposed is yourself and its all for everyone to see.

Are you still stuck there?

 

[HalBass9]

Are you sure you're not using economics from Trump University?

Let me make it simple. Yes India buys crude from Russia, refines and sells it to many countries including European countries because they need it. If India stops buying and refining Russian crude, it doesn't mean refined petroleum suddenly appears from somewhere else by magic forcing Russia to it's knees. I'm sure some countries will step up production but essentially there will be a shortage of crude at least in the short and more likely in the medium term.

Yes we can punish Russia by taking away it's second biggest crude market but everyone including Americans, Europeans, Pakistanis and Indians will have to be willing to pay the price - a much higher price at the pump.

This is absolutely correct.

The West wants to win the war in Ukraine, but without letting oil prices climb, because that would be political suicide. That’s exactly why the previous government made sure Russian oil kept flowing into India.

 

[IronShield]

Are you still stuck there?

Truth matters.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Trump has announced that India agreed with him to not buy Cheap oil from Rooskies.

At this point, I don't know how much to trust Trumpkin. He says a lot whenever he gives interviews(which is pretty much every hour).

 

[Red-Indian]

This is absolutely correct.

The West wants to win the war in Ukraine, but without letting oil prices climb, because that would be political suicide. That’s exactly why the previous government made sure Russian oil kept flowing into India.

Yep...contrary to the belief of Trumpians like @IronShield, global problems don't get solved by the orange buffoon throwing tantrums and threatening tariffs. Russia manages to sell it's crude because the world has a need/greed for it. If India and Indian oligarchs don't act as the middleman, someone else will step up and do it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Yep...contrary to the belief of Trumpians like @IronShield, global problems don't get solved by the orange buffoon throwing tantrums and threatening tariffs. Russia manages to sell it's crude because the world has a need/greed for it. If India and Indian oligarchs don't act as the middleman, someone else will step up and do it.

Europe was shaken by Trump threats and they pretty much dance to his tunes like his court clowns. Only India, China and Russia so far have shown some spine. Not sure how long India can hold off from blinking.

USA needs to provide alternate options to India to satisfy its ginormous domestic energy needs. Threats can only work so long as other options for India's energy needs are provided.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

India casts doubt on Trump's claim Modi will stop buying Russian oil

India's foreign ministry has said it is "not aware" of a phone call in which US President Donald Trump claimed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi agreed to stop purchasing Russian oil.

On Wednesday, Trump said his Indian counterpart had "assured me today" that it would end Russian oil imports, a move the US has pushed for in a bid to increase economic pressure on the Kremlin to end the war in Ukraine.

But asked about the call on Thursday, an Indian government spokesman cast doubt on Trump's account, saying he was "not aware of any conversation between the two leaders" taking place the previous day.

The Indian government had earlier said discussions were still "ongoing" with the US over its Russian oil purchases.

It comes as a White House official confirmed to the BBC that Trump plans to speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin in a call on Thursday.

India has become a key energy customer for Russia since the outbreak of the war, partly allowing the Kremlin to withstand the impact of Ukrainian allies slashing oil and gas imports, the country's biggest export market.

The Trump administration has put public and diplomatic pressure on India to end its support for the Russian energy market as it seeks to increase the Kremlin's economic isolation and force an end to the war. Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Speaking at the White House on Wednesday, Trump said he had received assurances from Modi on Wednesday that India would halt its purchases "within a short period of time".

In its initial response, the Indian government did not directly dispute that the call between Trump and Modi had taken place. It read: "Our consistent priority to safeguard the interests of the Indian consumer in a volatile energy scenario. Our import policies are guided entirely by this objective."

The Indian government's second response on Thursday raises further questions over whether a deal has been struck between Washington and Delhi.

BBC News has contacted the White House and State Department for comment.

Delhi's continued reliance on Russian crude oil, which it imports at a discount, have become a key source of contention in US-India relations under the Trump administration, which has taken a tougher line on the Ukraine war after Putin failed to agree a peace deal with the White House.

India is second only to China for how much Russian energy it imports, funding which helps to prevent the collapse of Russia's critical fossil fuel industry.

Modi's government has accused Ukraine's allies of hypocrisy, pointing to ongoing trade with Russia, including energy imports to the European Union, albeit at reduced levels.

In its latest round of sanctions unveiled this week, the UK government said it would target a major Indian oil refinery as it "continue(s) to get facilitate getting Russian oil onto global markets". Officials said India's Nayara Energy Limited imported 100 million barrels of Russian crude oil worth more than $5bn (£3.75bn) in 2024 alone.

India casts doubt on Donald Trump's claim Narendra Modi will stop buying Russian oil

The Indian government says it is "not aware" of a call in which the US president claimed India's leader made the commitment.

www.bbc.com

 

[IronShield]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978690898541105577

How right was Howard Lutnick that eventually in a month or two India will kowtow to trump.

 

[Rajdeep]

So it looks like India has rejected Trump's statements and said it will continue to buy Russian oil. It is amazing to see the temporary bhangra here by Pakistanis. The desperation of some if laughable.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Was it not apparent to Indians, when their Govt worked tirelessly to butter Trump up during his first term in office, that he was a liar and a bluffer ?

Liar and a bluffer, he always was. That didn't stop Imran from trying to cosy up to Trump either.

We don't get to choose who comes in power in the West.

In hindsight, it probably was a miscalculation.

But if Trump pressures India too much, there will be a greater pivot towards China because yet again, we will have to do it out of necessity.

Because I don't see any government opening up our markets to heavily subsidised American corn, which is partly what Trump is after and hurting our food security. That will be political suicide for whoever is in power in India

 

[Rajdeep]

India casts doubt on Trump's claim Modi will stop buying Russian oil

India's foreign ministry has said it is "not aware" of a phone call in which US President Donald Trump claimed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi agreed to stop purchasing Russian oil.

On Wednesday, Trump said his Indian counterpart had "assured me today" that it would end Russian oil imports, a move the US has pushed for in a bid to increase economic pressure on the Kremlin to end the war in Ukraine.

But asked about the call on Thursday, an Indian government spokesman cast doubt on Trump's account, saying he was "not aware of any conversation between the two leaders" taking place the previous day.

The Indian government had earlier said discussions were still "ongoing" with the US over its Russian oil purchases.

It comes as a White House official confirmed to the BBC that Trump plans to speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin in a call on Thursday.

India has become a key energy customer for Russia since the outbreak of the war, partly allowing the Kremlin to withstand the impact of Ukrainian allies slashing oil and gas imports, the country's biggest export market.

India casts doubt on Donald Trump's claim Narendra Modi will stop buying Russian oil - BBC News https://share.google/YUc2B6Q2NQqjqSZ0a

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For everyone who was doing pre-mature celebration, India has denied Trump's claims and indirectly called him a liar. Will he respond?

Remember, I keep on reminding you guys...woh Modi hai? However you guys would not listen.

@DeadlyVenom @IronShield @HalBass9 @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Cpt. Rishwat

#DilKeArmaanAasuoMeBehGaye
#aa aa aa

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India casts doubt on Trump's claim Modi will stop buying Russian oil

India's foreign ministry has said it is "not aware" of a phone call in which US President Donald Trump claimed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi agreed to stop purchasing Russian oil.

On Wednesday, Trump said his Indian counterpart had "assured me today" that it would end Russian oil imports, a move the US has pushed for in a bid to increase economic pressure on the Kremlin to end the war in Ukraine.

But asked about the call on Thursday, an Indian government spokesman cast doubt on Trump's account, saying he was "not aware of any conversation between the two leaders" taking place the previous day.

The Indian government had earlier said discussions were still "ongoing" with the US over its Russian oil purchases.

It comes as a White House official confirmed to the BBC that Trump plans to speak to Russian President Vladimir Putin in a call on Thursday.

India has become a key energy customer for Russia since the outbreak of the war, partly allowing the Kremlin to withstand the impact of Ukrainian allies slashing oil and gas imports, the country's biggest export market.

India casts doubt on Donald Trump's claim Narendra Modi will stop buying Russian oil - BBC News https://share.google/YUc2B6Q2NQqjqSZ0a

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For everyone who was doing pre-mature celebration, India has denied Trump's claims and indirectly called him a liar. Will he respond?

Remember, I keep on reminding you guys...woh Modi hai? However you guys would not listen.

@DeadlyVenom @IronShield @HalBass9 @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Cpt. Rishwat

#DilKeArmaanAasuoMeBehGaye
#aa aa aa

"Not aware"

Just say no if it didn't happen.

India neither denied or called Trump a liar.

 

[Rajdeep]

"Not aware"

Just say no if it didn't happen.

India neither denied or called Trump a liar.

Lol...If #ClutchingTheStraw had a face.

Koi nei bro....kheyali pulao me khush hite raho.

 

[Rajdeep]

Btw, was it due to this lie from Trump, I was tagged so many times in Modi thread yesterday by usual suspects? Hahaha

#SuchDesperation

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lol...If #ClutchingTheStraw had a face.

Koi nei bro....kheyali pulao me khush hite raho.

Straw clutching is from Modi fanatics.

It should be easy to deny a statement.

Seems like Modi is isolated in decision making in India now and Trump calls all the shots.

 

[Rajdeep]

Straw clutching is from Modi fanatics.

It should be easy to deny a statement.

Seems like Modi is isolated in decision making in India now and Trump calls all the shots.

Wake us up when India says it has stopped buying Russian oil due to Tariffs launched by Trump. You know what? India never would because the PM is Modi and not some dodgy bootlicker. This thread is going on since July and even after 2 sets of Tariffs, India continues to buy Russian oil. To save face, Trump gave a fake statement which has been denied by India.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Wake us up when India says it has stopped buying Russian oil due to Tariffs launched by Trump. You know what? India never would because the PM is Modi and not some dodgy bootlicker. This thread is going on since July and even after 2 sets of Tariffs, India continues to buy Russian oil. To save face, Trump gave a fake statement which has been denied by India.

Where is the denial?

 

[Rajdeep]

Where is the denial?

'I am not aware of any such statement' is an obvious denial and India will continue to persue its best interest. If that means buying oil from Russia, so be it. Are you not glad that someone is taking stand against Trump's tyranny and not brown nosing like your PM was doing other day?

Anyway, have a good day sir. Now I have to go for work

 

[DeadlyVenom]

'I am not aware of any such statement' is an obvious denial and India will continue to persue its best interest. If that means buying oil from Russia, so be it. Are you not glad that someone is taking stand against Trump's tyranny and not brown nosing like your PM was doing other day?

Anyway, have a good day sir. Now I have to go for work

You still haven't shown the denial bro

This is a statement to buy time

 

[Rajdeep]

You still haven't shown the denial bro

This is a statement to buy time

Just like how India was surrendering with his Trade Tariff's been applied.

#DilKeArmaan

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

"Not aware"

Just say no if it didn't happen.

India neither denied or called Trump a liar.

This is really weak stuff, and I am surprised that it is being defended by Rajdeep, but then Indians have different standards and to them this might seem decisive.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

'I am not aware of any such statement' is an obvious denial and India will continue to persue its best interest. If that means buying oil from Russia, so be it. Are you not glad that someone is taking stand against Trump's tyranny and not brown nosing like your PM was doing other day?

Anyway, have a good day sir. Now I have to go for work

No, all it is saying is that he personally is not aware. Meaning it probably happened but he's too dumb to be aware of what is going on. Or he's a typical Indian politician who speaks through both sides of his mouth.

 

[Theanonymousone]

The fact is that India is one of the few countries that stood against Trump’s tariff bullying.

While I can understand his intention of tariffs to protect US interests, he cannot go on to damage other nations economic interests.

Trade is a two way deal and he will realize sooner or later. And India has fared decently well.

I don't understand whats the issue here @DeadlyVenom @Cpt. Rishwat ?

Infact Modi did far better than what either of Starmer and Shebhaz did. We held out the tariff impact, yet you think he did worse? If US offers a better deal for us, obviously, trade will be done. Its about the national interests and you dont seem to get it.

Trump threatened South Korea with tariffs and their President has to beg literally against the all cash investment which Trump wanted as it will push Korea into another 1996-like crisis.

Never seen a Pakistani PM and General as meek and submissive as Shebhaz / Munir. Musharaff was far better than these phattoos. And here we are talking about Modi’s sexuality @DeadlyVenom ??

 

[Rajdeep]

The fact is that India is one of the few countries that stood against Trump’s tariff bullying.

While I can understand his intention of tariffs to protect US interests, he cannot go on to damage other nations economic interests.

Trade is a two way deal and he will realize sooner or later. And India has fared decently well.

I don't understand whats the issue here @DeadlyVenom @Cpt. Rishwat ?

Infact Modi did far better than what either of Starmer and Shebhaz did. We held out the tariff impact, yet you think he did worse? If US offers a better deal for us, obviously, trade will be done. Its about the national interests and you dont seem to get it.

Trump threatened South Korea with tariffs and their President has to beg literally against the all cash investment which Trump wanted as it will push Korea into another 1996-like crisis.

Never seen a Pakistani PM and General as meek and submissive as Shebhaz / Munir. Musharaff was far better than these phattoos. And here we are talking about Modi’s sexuality @DeadlyVenom ??

Because they suffer from 'Hum to dubey hai sanam...' syndrome.

Since Pakistan has sold their soul to USA, they want India to do the same. How dare India takes a stand. Arent they suppose to be servants of the west like Pakistan is?

That is their viewpoint and since its not happening, they are upset.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The fact is that India is one of the few countries that stood against Trump’s tariff bullying.

While I can understand his intention of tariffs to protect US interests, he cannot go on to damage other nations economic interests.

Trade is a two way deal and he will realize sooner or later. And India has fared decently well.

I don't understand whats the issue here @DeadlyVenom @Cpt. Rishwat ?

Infact Modi did far better than what either of Starmer and Shebhaz did. We held out the tariff impact, yet you think he did worse? If US offers a better deal for us, obviously, trade will be done. Its about the national interests and you dont seem to get it.

Trump threatened South Korea with tariffs and their President has to beg literally against the all cash investment which Trump wanted as it will push Korea into another 1996-like crisis.

Never seen a Pakistani PM and General as meek and submissive as Shebhaz / Munir. Musharaff was far better than these phattoos. And here we are talking about Modi’s sexuality @DeadlyVenom ??

The issue is this: we expect phatoos like Shehbaz and Munir to bootlick the Americans because that is their whole purpose in life. It is why we have regimes installed in Pakistan rather than free and fair elections, so these shameless grifters can serve every other nations interests apart from their own.

India is a recognised democracy, and a "superpower" according to our Indian posters. I don't expect them to exhibit the same traits as a failed state like Pakistan.

 

[Theanonymousone]

The issue is this: we expect phatoos like Shehbaz and Munir to bootlick the Americans because that is their whole purpose in life. It is why we have regimes installed in Pakistan rather than free and fair elections, so these shameless grifters can serve every other nations interests apart from their own.

India is a recognised democracy, and a "superpower" according to our Indian posters. I don't expect them to exhibit the same traits as a failed state like Pakistan.

And that is the reason why we still have 50% tariffs right?

Negotiations are ongoing for a mutually agreeable trade deal.
Superpower is a far-stretcher word but India has a decent standing globally due to its potential consumer market.

I am not a fan of the Modi hyperbole’s but he his administration has done decently enough given the situations. And he is the better choice compared to Rahul Gandhi, the educated fool.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Because they suffer from 'Hum to dubey hai sanam...' syndrome.

Since Pakistan has sold their soul to USA, they want India to do the same. How dare India takes a stand. Arent they suppose to be servants of the west like Pakistan is?

That is their viewpoint and since its not happening, they are upset.

Its nothing more than to vent out anger on India, and partly driven by jealousy of our growth. Thats fine but few posters obviously went overboard with demeaning tweets taking Trumps words as some word of God.

What they don't realize is that he is the biggest islamophobe and will turn against them in the blink of an eye.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978584625435066462

Look at his below statements and you guys still believe him?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And that is the reason why we still have 50% tariffs right?

Negotiations are ongoing for a mutually agreeable trade deal.
Superpower is a far-stretcher word but India has a decent standing globally due to its potential consumer market.

I am not a fan of the Modi hyperbole’s but he his administration has done decently enough given the situations. And he is the better choice compared to Rahul Gandhi, the educated fool.

I won't comment on Rahul Gandhi since I don't follow Indian politicians, but what I will say is that the progress India made as compared to Pakistan was precisely because they operated a secular constitution. Something that the current BJP govt is working to erode by stealth. If you give so much energy to divisive politics and ethnic/religious matters, you are going to lose it in the fields that matter, justice, finance, education etc.

 

[JaDed]

I am waiting for someone to put a positive spin on this one...

Come on @Devadwal @RexRex @cricketjoshila @JaDed and not to forget our brother from the ancient Kingdom @Hitman or other Indian modi fans .... Come one, where are you......Let's be having you!! (Needed Delia smith smilie here )

Huh what?

 

[JaDed]

I won't comment on Rahul Gandhi since I don't follow Indian politicians, but what I will say is that the progress India made as compared to Pakistan was precisely because they operated a secular constitution. Something that the current BJP govt is working to erode by stealth. If you give so much energy to divisive politics and ethnic/religious matters, you are going to lose it in the fields that matter, justice, finance, education etc.

Secularism has nothing to do with progressing economically but it helps with fabric of the nation, appeasement for vote bank by Rajiv Gandhi in 1980s is what Made BJP go from 1 seat to their current state and yes BJP is appeasing as well.

India's progress is due to opening up of economy and 6-8 states that put education on importance.

 

[JaDed]

Europe was shaken by Trump threats and they pretty much dance to his tunes like his court clowns. Only India, China and Russia so far have shown some spine. Not sure how long India can hold off from blinking.

USA needs to provide alternate options to India to satisfy its ginormous domestic energy needs. Threats can only work so long as other options for India's energy needs are provided.

I think Canada has done well but unfortunately they are in a bad state to stand up against Trump right now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Secularism has nothing to do with progressing economically but it helps with fabric of the nation, appeasement for vote bank by Rajiv Gandhi in 1980s is what Made BJP go from 1 seat to their current state and yes BJP is appeasing as well.

India's progress is due to opening up of economy and 6-8 states that put education on importance.

I mentioned a few fields, not just economics. When govts start introducing religion into politics more than it needs to, it is obviously going to have an effect on many aspects. Social life, justice, science etc. All of these might then have a knock on effect on economies as well. Just have to look at some of the theocratic govts in the Muslim world to see that. Don't tell me you don't see echoes of that in the likes of Yogi Adityanath or Modi.

 

[Bhaijaan]

When you’re dealing with a hostile USA, you have very limited retaliatory options, more so if you’re a globally connected economy and not an isolated one like North Korea or Iran. In that regard, I am both pleasantly surprised and proud of the way PM Modi has managed Trump’s hostility and intimidating tactics by showing the highest level of diplomatic wisdom.

India is a great civilisation, an ancient one. We have seen too much death and destruction to ever allow any nation to intimidate us into going against the interests of our people. We always remain open to make compromises in the name of friendship and general good will. But we will not surrender our sovereignty at the crack of someone’s whip. That will never happen. Indians are 100% locked-in about restoring their nation’s historic position at the top in world. We are not looking for wars. We are not looking for any special favours either from any nations we are capable to build this nation further and make it a great one. Treat us with respect and the same will be reciprocated. If respect is not there, Indians will not bend over for anyone.