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UK Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returns to power with big majority [Post#486]

landslide victory for boris

:)))

cant wait to see the labour cry babies

After years of dithering, finally a strong majority government.

A strong Conservative government will put the benefit mongers in their place and reward hard working professionals.
 
Seems like right wing parties are going to rule this world.

Don't know about the world, but in Britain a Labour led left is a recipe for disaster.

Their take from the rich and give to the poor really means tax the hard working and reward the lazy with free perks. How can any nation successfully function like that?!
 
Labour voters have overturned decades of political tradition and defected to the Conservatives across its industrial heartlands, transforming the electoral map and ushering Boris Johnson towards a significant Commons majority.

In results that surpassed even Johnson’s wildest expectations, the Conservatives unseated Labour for the first time in decades in solid red seats from Wrexham in north Wales to Blyth Valley in Northumberland.

The shock of the exit poll, which predicted Labour’s worst general election result since the 1930s, gave way to dismay and anger as unseated Labour MPs blamed Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership for the party’s dismal showing.

At Spennymoor leisure centre, outside Durham, dejected Labour activists looked on as votes piled up for the Conservative candidates in Bishop Auckland and Sedgefield, mining communities where the closure of the pits cast a long shadow over the area’s politics.

Helen Goodman, the defeated Labour MP for Bishop Auckland, said Corbyn had proved toxic on the doorstep and called for him to resign. “It’s been clear now for the last two years that Bishop Auckland is a marginal seat and the road to No 10 goes through Bishop Auckland,” she said.

“The Labour party cannot win if it doesn’t have a leader who commands the confidence and trust in the British public. Until we do have such a leader we’re not going to win. As long as we don’t, we’re letting down the very people we were set up to support.”

Speaking to a huddle of journalists, Goodman said people “didn’t feel they could trust him, they didn’t understand him” and that MPs had a big problem presenting Corbyn to the sizable local community of army veterans. “There are 1 million veterans in this country so that’s a huge problem,” she said.

Caroline Flint, the former Labour frontbencher, became one of the most high-profile casualties of the night when voters in Don Valley, South Yorkshire, elected the area’s first Tory MP since 1922.

The first sign of a likely Tory landslide came shortly after 11.30pm when the former mining community of Blyth Valley unseated the veteran Labour MP Ronnie Campbell, electing a Conservative for the first time in its 69-year history.

Campbell, a former miner, had his majority cut from nearly 17,000 to 8,000 over the past two decades and saw a 10% swing in his vote to the Conservatives on Thursday. The Teesside constituencies of Darlington, Redcar and Stockton South all fell to the Conservatives as Labour’s so-called “red wall” crumbled down the north-east coast.

Labour also lost its grip on Sedgefield, the County Durham seat held for 24 years by Tony Blair, and neighbouring Bishop Auckland, which elected a Tory MP for the first time in its 134-year history as Brexit and Jeremy Corbyn proved the decisive issues for many in the north-east.

Phil Wilson, who took over from Blair as MP for Sedgefield in 2007, conceded defeat before his result had even been declared. His majority of 6,000 collapsed to a 4,500-vote majority for the Conservatives, in the party’s first win in the seat since 1931.

“I genuinely believe that the Corbyn leadership is the issue in this election and to say that it isn’t is delusional,” Wilson said. “Brexit is an issue, but for every one person who raised Brexit on the doorstep with me, five people raised the leadership of the Labour party.”

Wilson, whose pro-remain position was at odds with most of his constituents, said he did not regret standing up for what he believed in and said Labour had angered voters by “facing two ways” on Brexit.

“The Labour party’s got to go back to those core beliefs and the values of the Labour party. If you talk about them with confidence people will believe you on other issues, such as Brexit. You can’t win the argument on Brexit if you’re facing two ways,” he said.

“What I feel strongly about is the fact we let down Labour voters and that we’ve let down our communities and that we’ve lost four elections in a row,” he said, arriving at the county at Spennymoor leisure centre in the early hours of Friday.

“The last time we lost four elections in a row it took us 18 years. We’ve done that in nine years now. It’s going to be hard work re-establishing the bond between the Labour party and its voters. It’s more in anger than in sorrow because the people we’re representing have got another five years of a Tory government, which isn’t going to do very much for them.”

The Conservatives also gained the Cumbrian constituency of Workington, which had been Labour since the 1970s and whose “Workington man” stereotype of a working-class, rugby-watching voter became a key electoral target for the Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...demolished-by-tory-onslaught?CMP=share_btn_wa
 
Boris Johnson will return to Downing Street with a big majority after the Conservatives swept aside Labour in its traditional heartlands.

With just a handful of seats left to declare in the general election, the BBC forecasts a a Tory majority of 78.

The prime minister said it would give him a mandate to "get Brexit done" and take the UK out of the EU next month.

Jeremy Corbyn said Labour had a "very disappointing night" and he would not fight a future election.

The BBC forecast suggests the Tories will get 364 MPs, Labour 203, the SNP 48, the Lib Dems 12, Plaid Cymru four, the Greens one, and the Brexit Party none.

That means the Conservatives will have their biggest majority at Westminster since Margaret Thatcher's 1987 election victory.

Labour, which has lost seats across the North, Midlands and Wales in places which backed Brexit in 2016, is facing its worst defeat since 1935.
Speaking after he was re-elected in Uxbridge, west London, with a slightly higher majority, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "It does look as though this One Nation Conservative government has been given a powerful new mandate to get Brexit done."

He added: "Above all I want to thank the people of this country for turning out to vote in a December election that we didn't want to call but which I think has turned out to be a historic election that gives us now, in this new government, the chance to respect the democratic will of the British people to change this country for the better and to unleash the potential of the entire people of this country."

Speaking at his election count in Islington North, where he was re-elected with a reduced majority, Mr Corbyn said Labour had put forward a "manifesto of hope" but "Brexit has so polarised debate it has overridden so much of normal political debate".

Labour's vote is down around 8% on the 2017 general election, with the Tories up by just over 1% and the smaller parties having a better night.

In other developments:

Jo Swinson - who only became Lib Dem leader in July and began the election campaign by saying she aimed to be prime minister - lost her Dunbartonshire East seat to the SNP by 149 votes
Nigel Dodds, the leader of the Democratic Unionist Party at Westminster, lost his Belfast North seat to Sinn Fein
The Lib Dems took Richmond Park, south-west London, from Conservative minister Zac Goldsmith
Labour's Caroline Flint - who backed the Tory Brexit deal in defiance of her party - lost in Don Valley to Mr Johnson's party
Labour's longest-serving MP Dennis Skinner also lost his seat to the Conservatives
Remain-backing former Tory minister Dominic Grieve came second to the Conservative candidate in Beaconsfield
Anna Soubry, who quit the Tories to form a pro-Remain group of MPs, lost her Nottinghamshire seat to the Tories
It was also a bad night for new Lib Dem recruits, with ex-Labour MPs Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger, and former Tory minister Sam Gyimah failing to win a seat
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50765773
 
I sympathize with Corbyn he is a good man, problem is good men seldom make good leaders aka Churchill, Boris is a bigger idiot but i guess Brits voted for the party when it comes to conservatives and against the leader when it comes to Corbyn.

I see similar fate for Bernie.. its going to be Trump again..
 
Leftists and their fake liberalism has failed this world.

Fake liberalism? Hindu Polygamy would still be alive if it wasn't for Liberals, your conservatives would had made upper castes rule over the lower ones had it not been for the Liberals!

Effin for all you know Sati would still be a thing if Conservatives upper castes would be in power!

And plz don’t bring in Triple Talaq we all know how BJP did it coz religion, the only good thing they did but lets see if they have the balls for Uniform law and not ban beef, am sure you will bring in some Hindu thing for supporting uniform law but beef still being banned.

Liberals are the only reason for social evolution in the society.
 
I just saw the personal life of Johnson how lol ,how is he a conservative candidate, he moved in with his gf and now got a full majority from conservatives?
 
Leftists and their fake liberalism has failed this world.

I agree - the liberal world & especially the liberal media is still extremely ignorant of the fact that if one had to choose between extreme right & extreme left, middle of the line people will always prefer the right. People like Corbyn, Warren are no joke - these guys are capable of pushing the whole economy into recession with their useless socialist policies. Socialist policies like free health, education, open borders et all may sound good on paper but then there is no such thing as a free meal. I see the rise of right across the globe as the phenomena of the global middle class striking back at the liberal policies of pandering to their poor vote banks.
 
After years of dithering, finally a strong majority government.

A strong Conservative government will put the benefit mongers in their place and reward hard working professionals.

Agreeed. My future posts will definitely be reflecting the vote base of Conservative voters!
 
Swinson loses her seat by 149 votes. She will resign for sure! Superb result!

She has to, only MPs can lead the LDs. A month ago they were on 18%. Revoke has been a disaster.

Time for Layla Moran, who has increased her majority in Abingdon.
 
I agree - the liberal world & especially the liberal media is still extremely ignorant of the fact that if one had to choose between extreme right & extreme left, middle of the line people will always prefer the right. People like Corbyn, Warren are no joke - these guys are capable of pushing the whole economy into recession with their useless socialist policies. Socialist policies like free health, education, open borders et all may sound good on paper but then there is no such thing as a free meal. I see the rise of right across the globe as the phenomena of the global middle class striking back at the liberal policies of pandering to their poor vote banks.

Seems to work ok in Scandinavia. All you need is willingness to pay bit more tax and contribute to the social contract. And effective leadership.
 
Politics is a funny game.
Corbyn a life tme anti european, for the sake of his party takes a neutral line on brexit and loses the general election badly.
Boris johnson a life long pro european and ever the opportunists, changes his position on europe to an anti one and wins the general election, with a huge majority.
Unbelieveble!
Credit to boris for picking up the mood of the nation and wanting to leave europe and not being stuck in the westminister bubble of pro european politics.
After the triumphant joy of the brexiteers, boris will now deliver on a brexit lite which will please no one, neither brexiteer or remoaner and will duily get booted out of 10 downing st but not before installing his name in the british political history books, as the man who freed great britain from europe, a 21st century warless churchill.

Bring on 2024 and maybe labour might just get their act together?
 
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Seems to work ok in Scandinavia. All you need is willingness to pay bit more tax and contribute to the social contract. And effective leadership.
Survey after survey for years and years, have put the scandinavia countries as the top countries to live in the world!
 
Jo swinson, chuka ummuna and anna sourbry, 3 of the loudest and outspoken remoaners have all lost their seats in parliament.
This is what happens when you put your own views ahead of the views of the people who elected you.
A big slap in the face for these three!
 
Seems to work ok in Scandinavia. All you need is willingness to pay bit more tax and contribute to the social contract. And effective leadership.

Not quite Robert. You need to balance the supply side (funding etc) with the demand side. In the UK both are broken - taxation and funding won’t fix the problems of he NHS - it’s problems are far mor systemic (restrictions around NTN’s and the critical problem that nobody dare speak out about - SAS doctors). But the demand side is the issue - with other demands on that treasury’s pot that do nothing to contribute to society but instead create a lifestyle of inadequacy - ala the benefits scrounges.

You don’t have that mindset in Sca (or for that matter in Swe, Norway, Estonia etc) - it would be considered abhorrent - many in the Uk have no such problem.
 
I respect you generally. I enjoy your posts on PTI or India. But I'm sorry here I don't. It's nothing personal from me.

I know that.
I grappled with my conscience before voting this time, more so then ever before.
Being a staunch remainer made it double difficult.
 
No CJ. Corbyn and labour this election did not represent the left but a very warped sense of the left. Sky News has an interesting piece on the age distribution of votes by party - namely in areas with lots of people over the age of 40, Tories did well. And vice versa for Labour, and when pushed for hypothesis why - many pointed to the turmoil in the 70’s/80’s - when socialism was last entrenched - strikes, garbage left on the street, bodies not buried, a transport infrastructure crippled by barons (aka Union officials).

The students/younger voters don’t know this because they didn’t live through it - the older voters however do and want no part of this again.
 
The way some are going it's as if it's the end of history. The electorate is more volatile than ever and that's why elections have been harder to call.

We shall see in the next vote whether the North's support for the Conservatives is a temporary fling or a permanent marriage.
 
The way some are going it's as if it's the end of history. The electorate is more volatile than ever and that's why elections have been harder to call.

We shall see in the next vote whether the North's support for the Conservatives is a temporary fling or a permanent marriage.
Its temporary.
After brexit, the north and midlands deserters will be back to labour, when they realise they are only getting a brexit lite and boris's pro rich policies.
 
Seems like right wing parties are going to rule this world.

Nothing is permanent. Wilson won a 96 seat majority in 1966, and lost in 1970.

Heath won an even higher percentage of the vote than Boris in 1970 (46%) and lost in 1974.

That's politics, the only constant is change. Boris had only 3 months in office and the opposition, who graduated from the Azhar Ali School of Tactics, were dumb enough to let him hold an election in his honeymoon period.
 
The way some are going it's as if it's the end of history. The electorate is more volatile than ever and that's why elections have been harder to call.

We shall see in the next vote whether the North's support for the Conservatives is a temporary fling or a permanent marriage.

I don’t know why you spend so much time discussing politics. UK is more corrupt than Pakistan . Jews own the media , it’s up to them who is in power
 
Leftists and their fake liberalism has failed this world.

Left wing isn’t the same thing as liberalism. You can be on the right and a liberal. Most actual liberals are actually centrists on the political spectrum.
 
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im surprised anyone is surprised, labour literally handed this on a plate to the tories with that silly manifesto.

the labour party has two options, either stick its head in the sand and blame everyone other than themselves, or get their head back in the game, realise they lost this because of policies the public had no appetite for and move back to the centre right.
 
No CJ. Corbyn and labour this election did not represent the left but a very warped sense of the left. Sky News has an interesting piece on the age distribution of votes by party - namely in areas with lots of people over the age of 40, Tories did well. And vice versa for Labour, and when pushed for hypothesis why - many pointed to the turmoil in the 70’s/80’s - when socialism was last entrenched - strikes, garbage left on the street, bodies not buried, a transport infrastructure crippled by barons (aka Union officials).

The students/younger voters don’t know this because they didn’t live through it - the older voters however do and want no part of this again.
Funny that anyone under the age of 58 would have been affected by the summer of discontent which ended in 1979 when thatcher came into power. Anyone under 58 would have been a child or not even born in that period.
Also, why would they remember the 70s when labour was last in power between 1997 - 2010. And between 1997 -2007 were some of the best years economically for the uk!
Nice theory though, even though totally bizarre!
 
Seems like right wing parties are going to rule this world.

Liberalism only needs to reinvent itself like it did after WWII. There has been cycles where Liberalism has found itself in a crisis. One good example is when Nationalism, Nazism, Fascism and Communism were popular in Europe during the 1930s. Like before, Liberalism only needs to reinvent itself and make itself relevent again. This ’crisis’ is actually not something new.

What’s so fascinating is that liberalism’s popularity tends to spike right after major conflicts end (WWI in 1918, WWII in 1945 and the Cold War in 1991). Liberalism tends to be unpopular before major wars break out though.

I suggest everyone read the first few chapters of Yuval Noah Harari’s book: 21 lessons for the 21st century. It talks about this in great detail.

Nonetheless, I still feel like Authoritarianism will be the next big thing. Because of China’s rise, a lot of countries are losing hope in western-style liberal democracy.
 
Absolutely loving the meltdown of fake liberals (read leftists) on social media.

Keep em coming. :vk2
 
Funny that anyone under the age of 58 would have been affected by the summer of discontent which ended in 1979 when thatcher came into power. Anyone under 58 would have been a child or not even born in that period.
Also, why would they remember the 70s when labour was last in power between 1997 - 2010. And between 1997 -2007 were some of the best years economically for the uk!
Nice theory though, even though totally bizarre!

Remember British Rail? You’re confusing two different eras of Labour Party - the labour of the mid 90’s was nothing like the grassroots socialism Corbyn et all are peddling. Those that remember will recall more than the winter of 78-79 - i know I do.

Labour lost because of an o delete form of socialism which is nothing but a race to the bottom, an ambiguous position on the most key question facing our country and an anti-aspirational manifesto.
 
Great day today overall. Commuting to central london this morning, all I see is happy and pretty faces with christmas jumpers on. :)
 
Left wing isn’t the same thing as liberalism. You can be on the right and a liberal. Most actual liberals are actually centrists on the political spectrum.

I said left wing liberalism. Thats what i meant.

There is no center Liberalism in the world.

My preferred choice though is Center Right.
 
The combo of Johnson and pritty patel could be a very devisive combo, let's face it this woman was a lap dog to the Zionist state of israel
 
I'm seeing a lot of Indians from INDIA celebrating the Tory win. What does it have to go to do with them? Why're they celebrating?

I wonder why...
 
Nothing is permanent. Wilson won a 96 seat majority in 1966, and lost in 1970.

Heath won an even higher percentage of the vote than Boris in 1970 (46%) and lost in 1974.

That's politics, the only constant is change. Boris had only 3 months in office and the opposition, who graduated from the Azhar Ali School of Tactics, were dumb enough to let him hold an election in his honeymoon period.

I was down yesterday night but I knew this would happen. Vast swathes of Britain are simply waiting for brexit to be done. May hate Boris and are simply giving him a chance to sort out brexit. They are willing to be patient with him for now. But as soon as Brexit goes belly up or his policies flunk which can happen as his cabinet isnt exactly full of geniuses, those areas will simply swing back.

Also the media and the PLP did a big number on Corbyn who simply failed to deal with the situation within his party. You dont appease rebels. You destroy them. But Corbyn was a man of principle and was a nice man. They may have also overestimated the manifesto they put forward. The policies were great but perhaps too broad. They perhaps needed to roll back on some things..but they also should never have gone back on their 2017 promise to get brexit done.

Now we sit back and watch the turkeys get slaughtered. on a personal level im gutted but I will be ok. I may even get a tax break from Boris. The industry i work in is thriving. The only issue I have is the NHS and the education system. But on a ideological stand point and for what is good for the country the torys are a walking disaster

aslo it would be a mistake for labour to go back to the tory lite model. Because Boris can do both..tory lite and rightwing heavy.

He will go one nation now and I think may actually be a better PM than we expect..lets see how it goes..
I will continue to fight the tories though wherever and where I can..
 
Election results 2019: Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson to step down

Jo Swinson will step down as Liberal Democrat leader after losing her seat to the SNP by 149 votes.

Ms Swinson, who started the campaign saying she could become the next prime minister, gained 19,523 votes compared with 19,672 for the SNP's Amy Callaghan in Dunbartonshire East.

Sir Ed Davey and Baroness Sal Brinton will be acting co-leaders for the party, now she is no longer an MP.

Ms Swinson said the election results would bring "dismay" for many.

She is travelling from Scotland to London and is expected to say more later.

Under party rules, the Lib Dem leader must have a seat in the Commons. A leadership contest will be held in the new year.

With one seat still to declare, the party has 11 seats, one fewer than at the 2017 election.

News of Ms Swinson's defeat was cheered by Nicola Sturgeon, who was caught on camera celebrating the SNP's victory in Dunbartonshire East.

The SNP leader, who was waiting to speak to Sky News when the election result was read out, could be seen cheering as she found out that Ms Callaghan had won the seat.

Ms Sturgeon later offered her commiserations to Ms Swinson on a personal level, but said she was delighted by the SNP's performance.

Baroness Brinton, president of the Liberal Democrats and the new co-leader, said it was a "disappointing night" for the party.

"The voices of nationalism and populism both north and south of the border beat both her [Ms Swinson] in her seat and nationally as well."

She said there were some "nuggets of gold" the party could take from the election, such as increasing its share of the vote by 4.2% and getting "some good new MPs".

"All is not lost," she added, pledging that the party's MPs would "continue to fight, if not for our place in Europe, then for the best deal possible".

Earlier, Baroness Brinton thanked Ms Swinson, who only became Lib Dem leader in July, for her honest and fearless leadership of their party.

The Liberal Democrats entered this election buoyed by a revival in the polls and the addition to their ranks of numerous MPs who defected from other parties, including Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger from Labour, and the former Tory minister Sam Gyimah.

All three, however, were defeated.

Earlier, Sir John Curtice, professor of politics at Strathclyde University, said the polls suggested the party's support declined during the election and indicated that the strongly anti-Brexit party did not make any progress at all among Leave voters.

On the night, the Conservatives won a big majority and the SNP took 48 of Scotland's 59 seats, as Labour suffered heavy losses.

One highlight though for the Lib Dems was the party's candidate in Richmond Park, Sarah Olney, winning the seat from the Conservatives' Zac Goldsmith.

Speaking at the Bishopbriggs count, outside Glasgow, following her defeat, Ms Swinson said the results were "very significant" for the future of the country.

"For millions of people in our country these results will bring dread and dismay and people are looking for hope.

"I still believe we, as a country, can be warm and generous, inclusive and open and that by working together with our nearest neighbours we can achieve so much more.

"Liberal Democrats will continue to stand up for these values that guide our Liberal movement - openness, fairness, inclusivity. We will stand up for hope."

The SNP's Ms Callaghan told BBC Scotland she was "delighted" to have unseated the Liberal Democrat leader.

The new MP said: "It's quite a momentous achievement, both for me personally but also in terms of the people of East Dunbartonshire, completely rejecting the politics of austerity and also giving the people a chance to choose their own future - I think that is incredibly important."

Ms Swinson became her party's first female leader in a landslide victory over Sir Ed Davey earlier this year, succeeding Sir Vince Cable.

She had served as a minister in the coalition government and was among the party's MPs who paid the price for the tie-up with David Cameron's Tories in the 2015 election - which saw the Lib Dems reduced to a rump of just eight in the Commons.

Ms Swinson fought back when then Prime Minister Theresa May called another election in 2017, and she regained her Scottish seat from the SNP.

She attracted criticism from some quarters for her policy to revoke Article 50 and cancel Brexit, and for her previous record in the coalition government.

The Lib Dems backed Boris Johnson's call in October for an early election, arguing it was the best way of stopping Brexit.

Mr Johnson focused relentlessly on a single message - "get Brexit done" - promising to take the UK out of the EU by 31 January 2020 if he got a majority.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50771123
 
I was down yesterday night but I knew this would happen. Vast swathes of Britain are simply waiting for brexit to be done. May hate Boris and are simply giving him a chance to sort out brexit. They are willing to be patient with him for now. But as soon as Brexit goes belly up or his policies flunk which can happen as his cabinet isnt exactly full of geniuses, those areas will simply swing back.

Also the media and the PLP did a big number on Corbyn who simply failed to deal with the situation within his party. You dont appease rebels. You destroy them. But Corbyn was a man of principle and was a nice man. They may have also overestimated the manifesto they put forward. The policies were great but perhaps too broad. They perhaps needed to roll back on some things..but they also should never have gone back on their 2017 promise to get brexit done.

Now we sit back and watch the turkeys get slaughtered. on a personal level im gutted but I will be ok. I may even get a tax break from Boris. The industry i work in is thriving. The only issue I have is the NHS and the education system. But on a ideological stand point and for what is good for the country the torys are a walking disaster

aslo it would be a mistake for labour to go back to the tory lite model. Because Boris can do both..tory lite and rightwing heavy.

He will go one nation now and I think may actually be a better PM than we expect..lets see how it goes..
I will continue to fight the tories though wherever and where I can..

1) Brexit is not good for this country

2) Labour did not lose because of some vilification campaign, or some silly conspiracy - Labour lost because it stood for nothing more than a race to the bottom, an anti-aspirational ideology that harked back to a bygone era that has never worked. That’s why labour lost - it’s easy to look for a conspiracy or that people were duped, and to an extent I am sure many were, labour lost because they completely misread the landscape - and now the will reap what the sowed.
 
1) Brexit is not good for this country

2) Labour did not lose because of some vilification campaign, or some silly conspiracy - Labour lost because it stood for nothing more than a race to the bottom, an anti-aspirational ideology that harked back to a bygone era that has never worked. That’s why labour lost - it’s easy to look for a conspiracy or that people were duped, and to an extent I am sure many were, labour lost because they completely misread the landscape - and now the will reap what the sowed.

What ideology are you talking about?
 
In all the areas where muslims were 20% or more of the population, Labour managed to win.
Glad I live in one of these areas
 
The entire manifest was about changing the landscape - and largely achieved through redistributing wealth, for example:

- anyone earning over £80k will see a higher tax bill to help fund the increased expenditure plans
- for SME’s 10% of shares being given to employees
- abolishing tax breaks for private schooling and childcare
- ‘ensuring hi tech companies pay their fair share in tax’

Now, if you are from a modest household and want to be more - what does a labour government offer you? Do better - you will be moderated around a median, earn more off the sweat of your own back see part of that taken away etc etc. However, dither, leech of the state - shares, additional £ in benefits.

Post war benefits in this country were incredible but they have over time become a life style choice subsidised off the back of others and that’s a bad way of progressing through life. This would be exacerbated under Labour. Whenever you have socialism and a culture of something for nothing - mediocrity will result.
 
Funny that anyone under the age of 58 would have been affected by the summer of discontent which ended in 1979 when thatcher came into power. Anyone under 58 would have been a child or not even born in that period.
Also, why would they remember the 70s when labour was last in power between 1997 - 2010. And between 1997 -2007 were some of the best years economically for the uk!
Nice theory though, even though totally bizarre!

Funny think about fiftysomethings and over. They all vote.

New Labour was a Centre party, not a left party like those of Foot and Corbyn. New Labour were run by very smart capable people, unlike the current numpties.
 
People can claim all the nonsense they want, they can act like they were born middle class or worked harder than others but when reality hites and in a few months it will....we will see who is gloating and laughing than.
 
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Seems to work ok in Scandinavia. All you need is willingness to pay bit more tax and contribute to the social contract. And effective leadership.

Can you honestly compare Scandinavian countries with a few million in population & a largely homogeneous, low immigration population with diverse countries like US & UK? And do you honestly think any country can continue to continue freebies as the birthrate & the working age population in the west continues to shrink & the life expectancy continues to go up? The economics just dont work out.
 
1) Brexit is not good for this country

2) Labour did not lose because of some vilification campaign, or some silly conspiracy - Labour lost because it stood for nothing more than a race to the bottom, an anti-aspirational ideology that harked back to a bygone era that has never worked. That’s why labour lost - it’s easy to look for a conspiracy or that people were duped, and to an extent I am sure many were, labour lost because they completely misread the landscape - and now the will reap what the sowed.

no it didnt. it stood for improving the lives of those already at the bottom. you forget to realise some people have alredy hit rock bottom.there is no race. people have lost the race. We are in the post race to the bottom reality.

Labour would have put working people first and put more money into their pockets while also improving public services.

My kids school has a barebones budget. they have to ask parents for donations for goodness sake. GP and NHS services are cracking. Giant chunks are falling off our society. But lets talk aspiration. Aspire to be a billionaire while begging for some change. yeah sure.

the tories played on the illiteracy and naivety of the populace. This fake idea that everyone can get rich. Its a nonsense. What is aspirational about going to university and coming out with a debt the size of mount everest? and then getting a job in burger king because your first degree means diddly squat coz your name is abdul?
 
Funny think about fiftysomethings and over. They all vote.

New Labour was a Centre party, not a left party like those of Foot and Corbyn. New Labour were run by very smart capable people, unlike the current numpties.

Wait, you believe that Tony Blair and the rest of the centrists were ”smart” and ”capable” people?
 
The entire manifest was about changing the landscape - and largely achieved through redistributing wealth, for example:

- anyone earning over £80k will see a higher tax bill to help fund the increased expenditure plans
- for SME’s 10% of shares being given to employees
- abolishing tax breaks for private schooling and childcare
- ‘ensuring hi tech companies pay their fair share in tax’

Now, if you are from a modest household and want to be more - what does a labour government offer you? Do better - you will be moderated around a median, earn more off the sweat of your own back see part of that taken away etc etc. However, dither, leech of the state - shares, additional £ in benefits.

Post war benefits in this country were incredible but they have over time become a life style choice subsidised off the back of others and that’s a bad way of progressing through life. This would be exacerbated under Labour. Whenever you have socialism and a culture of something for nothing - mediocrity will result.

I disagree. Look at Norway - high taxation, collective bargaining, excellent services, great schools and very low crime.
 
Funny think about fiftysomethings and over. They all vote.

New Labour was a Centre party, not a left party like those of Foot and Corbyn. New Labour were run by very smart capable people, unlike the current numpties.

New Labour betrayed us. My uncle a lifelong Labour member and council man was overlooked for an MP slot when he would ave won, by someone who was white. He sued new Labour and won. Tony Blair was a card carrying islamaphobe and opportunist who had no Labour values whatsoever.

as for teh current "numpties" well alot of them are a little inexperienced because they were onxe again betrayed by certain individuals but I wouldnt call shami chakraborti a numpty. or even john mcdonnald. Or angela rayner (who i hope becomes the new leader)

these are grassroots workers and fighters who got to the tip through struggle not tory lite opportunists.

New Labour is dead. Deal with it. It will never come back. New Labour is now tory one nation.

The Labour party that will restructure itself will be different than both the current party and that war crime that was New Labour
 
Funny think about fiftysomethings and over. They all vote.

New Labour was a Centre party, not a left party like those of Foot and Corbyn. New Labour were run by very smart capable people, unlike the current numpties.
Yes.i know that foot was a socialst and far left and new labour were centre left , i am old enough to go back to james callaghan and the winter of discontent.
Not all over 50s vote, but traditionally, the 50+ age brackett make up the largest vote bank.
Still not convinced it had anything to do with the 70s, it is all to do with brexit, thats why labour lost traditional labour seats in the north and the midlands.

New labour were run so well hat we ended up in the 'great recession' and thevwar on terror and iraq, smart folk lol!
Jo swinson and chuka got their just deserts, pretty much nothing left of your party now.
Wonder if jo will go to america and work for goldman and sachs like your former leader?
 
Yes.i know that foot was a socialst and far left and new labour were centre left , i am old enough to go back to james callaghan and the winter of discontent.
Not all over 50s vote, but traditionally, the 50+ age brackett make up the largest vote bank.
Still not convinced it had anything to do with the 70s, it is all to do with brexit, thats why labour lost traditional labour seats in the north and the midlands.

New labour were run so well hat we ended up in the 'great recession' and thevwar on terror and iraq, smart folk lol!
Jo swinson and chuka got their just deserts, pretty much nothing left of your party now.
Wonder if jo will go to america and work for goldman and sachs like your former leader?

*correction nick clegg works at facebook, i thought with his new $7million home in california, he must be working for a bank, my bad!
Maybe jo can work on facebook too.
 
Boris Johnson and his Conservative Party have won a decisive majority in the UK's general election.

First reactions from world leaders have stressed the importance of shaping future relations with the UK.

US President Donald Trump congratulated Mr Johnson on his "great win".

Mr Johnson said he now had a mandate to take the UK out of the EU next month "no ifs, no buts" and some EU leaders have said they welcomed the clarity on the Brexit issue.

President Trump said the US and UK would now be free to strike a "massive" new trade deal after Brexit. "This deal has the potential to be far bigger and more lucrative than any deal that could be made with the EU," he said in a tweet.

European Council President Charles Michel said the EU was prepared to negotiate a free-trade agreement with Britain. He also said the EU expected a quick vote in the British parliament on Brexit. "It's important to have clarity."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel congratulated Mr Johnson for the clear win. "I look forward to our further co-operation towards the friendship and close partnership of our countries," she said in a statement posted on Twitter.

Europe's press both relieved and wary at UK vote
World media weigh price of Johnson win
What just happened in UK election - and what next?
Sir John Curtice: What's behind the Conservative victory?
France's European Affairs Minister Amélie de Montchalin said the election had provided clarification and that EU leaders could now discuss future relations with Britain. "The most important thing with Brexit is not the way we divorce, it's what we build afterwards," she said.

Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said he "deeply regrets" that the UK is leaving the EU but expressed relief that the deadlock of recent years was "now going to pass". He said it would now be a case of ratifying a withdrawal agreement that included no hard border, while giving protection for British people in Ireland and Irish people in Britain, as well as negotiating a comprehensive trade deal.

Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz called Mr Johnson's win a "victory of values" over anti-Semitism, referring to accusations that the Labour Party had tolerated prejudice against Jews among its members.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi congratulated Mr Johnson. "I wish him the best and look forward to working together for closer India-UK ties," he said in a tweet.

The Kremlin said Moscow always hoped an election brought to power those in favour of "good relations" with Russia, but expressed uncertainty over the results. "I don't know to what extent such expectations are appropriate in the case of the Conservatives," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-50779011
 
Yes.i know that foot was a socialst and far left and new labour were centre left , i am old enough to go back to james callaghan and the winter of discontent.
Not all over 50s vote, but traditionally, the 50+ age brackett make up the largest vote bank.
Still not convinced it had anything to do with the 70s, it is all to do with brexit, thats why labour lost traditional labour seats in the north and the midlands.

New labour were run so well hat we ended up in the 'great recession' and thevwar on terror and iraq, smart folk lol!
Jo swinson and chuka got their just deserts, pretty much nothing left of your party now.
Wonder if jo will go to america and work for goldman and sachs like your former leader?

No point blaming Blair for a global recession. Iraq apart, he was the best PM of my lifetime.

Brexit played a role but Corbyn was dreadful, couldn’t manage a corner shop, there was no way the country would give him triggers for nukes. Labour have become a London-based elite, so focused on stopping the Lib Dem surge in the capital that they forgot their Northern heartlands. And not many people join trade unions any more.

This was a lost opportunity for LD due to the Revoke disaster and Swinson’s general unlikable image. The parliamentary party is the same size as at the last GE, there are some BAME women MPs now too and 700 more councillors this year. Dunno what JS will do next. Layla Moran for next leader.
 
*correction nick clegg works at facebook, i thought with his new $7million home in california, he must be working for a bank, my bad!
Maybe jo can work on facebook too.

He has made it so hard for foreign powers to buy FB boosted ads that British activists couldn’t either!
 
no it didnt. it stood for improving the lives of those already at the bottom. you forget to realise some people have alredy hit rock bottom.there is no race. people have lost the race. We are in the post race to the bottom reality.

Labour would have put working people first and put more money into their pockets while also improving public services.

My kids school has a barebones budget. they have to ask parents for donations for goodness sake. GP and NHS services are cracking. Giant chunks are falling off our society. But lets talk aspiration. Aspire to be a billionaire while begging for some change. yeah sure.

the tories played on the illiteracy and naivety of the populace. This fake idea that everyone can get rich. Its a nonsense. What is aspirational about going to university and coming out with a debt the size of mount everest? and then getting a job in burger king because your first degree means diddly squat coz your name is abdul?

Then do better? My parents were as working class as they come - and I went to some of the worst schools - nothing private or privileged. But I worked, grafted and now many years on - my own children are in private school, own multiple properties and live a very comfortable life in one of the most affluent areas in the country.

No luck, no lottery no inheritance. But instead of blaming the system, “it’s all a conspiracy by the white man” etc etc - I got on with it.

It’s all about choices - want the latest iPhone, fashionable attire, avocado on toast for breakfast but whine like a mule because you’re struggling to save? Do better.
 
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Boris receives about 1% more of the votes compared to Theresa May in 2017. May lost her majority, Boris wins with a landslide.

The system is broken!
 
She has to, only MPs can lead the LDs. A month ago they were on 18%. Revoke has been a disaster.

Time for Layla Moran, who has increased her majority in Abingdon.

The country has voted for Brexit the second time. Labour lost because they offered a second referendum, LDs lost because they offered to revoke A50.

Chukka, Anna, Dominic et al have been silenced. This is the end of Remain, and perhaps the birth of Rejoin.
 
Congratulations. Turkeys have again voted for Christmas.

I would love it if the Conservatives if NHS is privatised now. Also, please remove worker rights and reduce the food standard so that we can have an agreement with USA.
 
Boris receives about 1% more of the votes compared to Theresa May in 2017. May lost her majority, Boris wins with a landslide.

The system is broken!

Need a proportional representation system soon.

As much as I hate to say it, Brexit party was the biggest reason of this tbh. I have seen a lot of seats where Conservatives won by fewer votes than what Brexit party received. We can surely assume that most of the Brexit party seats are from labour voters.
 
Then do better? My parents were as working class as they come - and I went to some of the worst schools - nothing private or privileged. But I worked, grafted and now many years on - my own children are in private school, own multiple properties and live a very comfortable life in one of the most affluent areas in the country.

No luck, no lottery no inheritance. But instead of blaming the system, “it’s all a conspiracy by the white man” etc etc - I got on with it.

It’s all about choices - want the latest iPhone, fashionable attire, avocado on toast for breakfast but whine like a mule because you’re struggling to save? Do better.

its so easy for some isnt it? "just do better" alright mr I worked hard and am now rich. Did your father abuse you? was your mother an abusive drunk? did your father abuse your mother perhaps?

or did you suddenly at the age of 18 lose the use of your legs? or did you ever lose your whole family, regress into depression and lose everything? your house your life?

or were you ever discriminated against just because you happened to be black? so you go for multiple jobs and still cant get one? so you end up in mcdonalds and never really get that far. suddenly this mcdonalds shuts up shop and you havent got any skills beyond mcdonalds. There is no help for you to upskill. so you get a job as a cleaner. But wait they only offer you a zero hours contract, so you suddenly cant pay the rent and your landlord kicks you out..youve worked hard all your life and you have a job but you sleep on the street.

I could give you many many other case studies. Just because things worked out for you doesnt mean everyones life is like yours. Plenty of hard working people cant make ends meet through no real fault of their own. What do we do with them? watch them rot??
 
No point blaming Blair for a global recession. Iraq apart, he was the best PM of my lifetime.

Brexit played a role but Corbyn was dreadful, couldn’t manage a corner shop, there was no way the country would give him triggers for nukes. Labour have become a London-based elite, so focused on stopping the Lib Dem surge in the capital that they forgot their Northern heartlands. And not many people join trade unions any more.

This was a lost opportunity for LD due to the Revoke disaster and Swinson’s general unlikable image. The parliamentary party is the same size as at the last GE, there are some BAME women MPs now too and 700 more councillors this year. Dunno what JS will do next. Layla Moran for next leader.

this showed the fallacy of their argument. Remain is dead. It always was hence why labour failed too. they listened to people like thornberry et al. If they had stuck to their guns they would have not lost so badly. The wall would have held up. But unfortunatley people claimed they hated corbyn but when further probed couldnt explain why. Thats mass brainwashing.
 
Can you honestly compare Scandinavian countries with a few million in population & a largely homogeneous, low immigration population with diverse countries like US & UK? And do you honestly think any country can continue to continue freebies as the birthrate & the working age population in the west continues to shrink & the life expectancy continues to go up? The economics just dont work out.

TBH, even in Germany the taxes are higher. Their health system is different but works fine. However, I still prefer the NHS. They have way more worker rights than the UK. Their education is completely free.

But somehow, their manufacturing industry is still strong. They have lots of immigrants. Mostly from easter Europe who are involved in low skilled labour. However, there are a lot of non-white immigrants coming to Germany now. If they can do will with higher taxation, why can't we.

If you really compare Corbyn's agenda, it was only taking us to the level of Germany.
 
its so easy for some isnt it? "just do better" alright mr I worked hard and am now rich. Did your father abuse you? was your mother an abusive drunk? did your father abuse your mother perhaps?

or did you suddenly at the age of 18 lose the use of your legs? or did you ever lose your whole family, regress into depression and lose everything? your house your life?

or were you ever discriminated against just because you happened to be black? so you go for multiple jobs and still cant get one? so you end up in mcdonalds and never really get that far. suddenly this mcdonalds shuts up shop and you havent got any skills beyond mcdonalds. There is no help for you to upskill. so you get a job as a cleaner. But wait they only offer you a zero hours contract, so you suddenly cant pay the rent and your landlord kicks you out..youve worked hard all your life and you have a job but you sleep on the street.

I could give you many many other case studies. Just because things worked out for you doesnt mean everyones life is like yours. Plenty of hard working people cant make ends meet through no real fault of their own. What do we do with them? watch them rot??

TGK, don't think I have ever agreed with your posts. But, you couldn't be more correct here.

The turkeys have voted for Christmas. I will have no empathy for the northern constituencies when they are pillaged by the tories again. I cannot believe how right wing, the 3 big leaders from the minority community are. (Patel, JAved, Celverly).
 
I was down yesterday night but I knew this would happen. Vast swathes of Britain are simply waiting for brexit to be done. May hate Boris and are simply giving him a chance to sort out brexit.


This is definitely what happened, I have heard conversations basically saying just that.
 
Then do better? My parents were as working class as they come - and I went to some of the worst schools - nothing private or privileged. But I worked, grafted and now many years on - my own children are in private school, own multiple properties and live a very comfortable life in one of the most affluent areas in the country.

No luck, no lottery no inheritance. But instead of blaming the system, “it’s all a conspiracy by the white man” etc etc - I got on with it.

It’s all about choices - want the latest iPhone, fashionable attire, avocado on toast for breakfast but whine like a mule because you’re struggling to save? Do better.

Would love to hear you give that same speech to a white audience. Although somehow I think I would be waiting a long time.
 
Would love to hear you give that same speech to a white audience. Although somehow I think I would be waiting a long time.

The fact you can’t see beyond skin colour is telling. This is equally applicable to your average ‘chav’ as it is about bleating about skin colour/ethnicity.

Many cases are indeed tragic and not everyone has a trouble free path (referencing some of the examples TGK raises above) in life. Regardless, it ultimately comes down to choice - will you wallow or will you forge ahead?

Might you have to work x as hard to overcome any inherent prejudice? Yes - but it can be done.
 
TBH, even in Germany the taxes are higher. Their health system is different but works fine. However, I still prefer the NHS. They have way more worker rights than the UK. Their education is completely free.

But somehow, their manufacturing industry is still strong. They have lots of immigrants. Mostly from easter Europe who are involved in low skilled labour. However, there are a lot of non-white immigrants coming to Germany now. If they can do will with higher taxation, why can't we.

If you really compare Corbyn's agenda, it was only taking us to the level of Germany.

And do you have any idea where German economy is right now? We are talking about negative growth rates here, who knows how long the manufacturing base will last there? If Corbyn really want to go there, i would pity his understanding of economy.

The whole of Europe is tottering on low growth & stuttering economies for a while now, there are also news of protests in Scandinavian countries because some areas aren’t earning enough revenue to support free socialistic policies like universal healthcare.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/world/finland-health-care-intl/index.html

Again, socialistic policies are fine on paper but work under the assumption that tax-payers will continue to fund the policies for everybody in the infinite future but what happens when the tax-base happens to reduce in a homogeneous, low-immigration society who are used to working lesser working hours & taking long work breaks. Is that model sustainable for a big diverse economy?
 
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I don’t know why you spend so much time discussing politics. UK is more corrupt than Pakistan . Jews own the media , it’s up to them who is in power

The Jews always have to figure out one way or the the dont they?
 
The fact you can’t see beyond skin colour is telling. This is equally applicable to your average ‘chav’ as it is about bleating about skin colour/ethnicity.

Many cases are indeed tragic and not everyone has a trouble free path (referencing some of the examples TGK raises above) in life. Regardless, it ultimately comes down to choice - will you wallow or will you forge ahead?

Might you have to work x as hard to overcome any inherent prejudice? Yes - but it can be done.

It was you that brought up skin colour, not me. Otherwise I actually agree with your post. But yes, I am pretty sure you wouldn't give that same speech to a white audience.
 
The fact you can’t see beyond skin colour is telling. This is equally applicable to your average ‘chav’ as it is about bleating about skin colour/ethnicity.

Many cases are indeed tragic and not everyone has a trouble free path (referencing some of the examples TGK raises above) in life. Regardless, it ultimately comes down to choice - will you wallow or will you forge ahead?

Might you have to work x as hard to overcome any inherent prejudice? Yes - but it can be done.

sometimes people need a helping hand to help them make that choice. Some people dont have a choice. Some people need the support of the welfare system before they can get on their feet again. Others may need access to adult education to help them reskill. I myself went back to university later on while working to upskill myself and better myself. Some may need grants to do so. How can we retrain vast swathes of the country for the new economy if we simply say "on your bike mate, and try to keep up"

doesnt work that way..
 
We don’t TGK - the beauty of our welfare stage is a helping hand if needed - as it should be. It should not be a lifestyle choice - as it in all likelihood would be under a Corbyn government.

Compassion with opportunity, absolutely. But not at It’s expense.
 
And do you have any idea where German economy is right now? We are talking about negative growth rates here, who knows how long the manufacturing base will last there? If Corbyn really want to go there, i would pity his understanding of economy.

The whole of Europe is tottering on low growth & stuttering economies for a while now, there are also news of protests in Scandinavian countries because some areas aren’t earning enough revenue to support free socialistic policies like universal healthcare.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/world/finland-health-care-intl/index.html

Again, socialistic policies are fine on paper but work under the assumption that tax-payers will continue to fund the policies for everybody in the infinite future but what happens when the tax-base happens to reduce in a homogeneous, low-immigration society who are used to working lesser working hours & taking long work breaks. Is that model sustainable for a big diverse economy?

1. Germany's economy might have been struggling for the last 2 quarters or so. Before that the growth was slow, but steady. The growth in Europe will remain slow. But compared to England, Germany is in a much better position. Once the Brexit takes place, and it becomes clear that the UK can have a free trade deal with either Europe or the USA, it will have a significant setback in the already struggling UK economy.

2. We are not talking about communism. I do not agree with all of Corbyn's policies, nor do I think it will possible to implement them. However, they are way better than what Johnson is offering. We do not have an option of many economic models. There are just 2. The labour model, or the Tories model.

Yes, the same tories who have been reducing the NHS funding, and have been responsible for austerity for the last 9 years. Will they really invest in the NHS? The PM who has lied through his teeth is now going to stick to this promises? The government whose ministers have said that UK working class are the laziest in the world are now going to implement policies to benefit them?

I am not a huge fan of Corbyn. He has some good policies, some bad. However, he would have been a better option than Johnson. It was Johnson vs Corbyn. It was a bilateral choice between someone who is a socialist vs someone who is the spawn of evil. And the turkeys voted for Christmas.
 
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