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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

Got a bad decision today, wil make up for it by scoring 80+ next match ! :)
 
kholi's average was once at 50, it has now dropped to 42, umar avrerages 38 playing lower down...hmmm
 
Kohli is one of the most overrated cricketer right now, probably because he is Indian.
 
ash 68 said:
i`m inclined to agree

Kohli has a big weakness outside off stump, he cant seem to move his feet

UA only has a head problem!
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Exactly We will see him when he plays where the bowl is seaming around everywhere
 
Head problem or whatever, in the end you are judged by your performance and not by few ambitious shots .
 
Only after India's tour of England we can really start comparing these two. At the moment Kohli has better average than him in ODIs but talentwise there is no doubt that Umar Akmal is more talented. And Kohli is a very fine player, don't get me wrong. But I rate Rohit higher than him.

Rohit has the same attitude problems like Umar, but he seems to be doing well atm.
 
Statsman said:
Dhoni averages almost 50 playing lower down. Your point is?
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Dhoni's average drops significantly when you break it down by batting position. Umar Akmal has played most of his innings at #6 and averages 43 at that position. Dhoni has also played most of his innings at #6 and averages 35 at that position. This doesn't prove anything but neither did your post. One thing is clear, batting position has a great impact on average.
 
Inswinger said:
Dhoni's average drops significantly when you break it down by batting position. Umar Akmal has played most of his innings at #6 and averages 43 at that position. Dhoni has also played most of his innings at #6 and averages 35 at that position. This doesn't prove anything but neither did your post. One thing is clear, batting position has a great impact on average.
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batting at 6 position leads to a higher or a lower average?
 
What are people talking on here? :facepalm:

Myke Hussey , Dhoni, Klusener, Bevan were all having great averages batting in lower order
 
what is kohli's avg this tour and what was umar's against windies? any1 have the stats, should tell us who performed against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions/time.
 
akamaka said:
what is kohli's avg this tour and what was umar's against windies? any1 have the stats, should tell us who performed against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions/time.
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Ok this is how it works. Good logic, lets do it :19:.






















And after that lets compare Harbhajan Singh's and Umar Akmal's batting average in the windies tour, should tell us who performed against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions/time.

Done? :D
 
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Statsman said:
Ok this is how it works. Good logic, lets do it :19:.






















And after that lets compare Harbhajan Singh's and Umar Akmal's batting average in the windies tour, should tell us who performed against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions/time.

Done? :D
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Eh why would you bring in Harhajan Singh in a thread were Umar Akmal and Kohli are discussed?
 
Inswinger said:
Also, we are speaking in general terms. There are always exceptions to the rule.
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They are exceptionals.
If Umar is as exceptional as them ( as he is supposed to be) he should have been averaging like them
 
And Harbhajan has more batting class than Kohli, Umar, Raina,Shafiq, Rohit all put together :boom:
 
freelance_cricketer said:
They are exceptionals.
If Umar is as exceptional as them ( as he is supposed to be) he should have been averaging like them
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In ODIs he will InshAllah, he is still new (played some 40+ matches) and the guys you have mentioned have all played more than 150 matches. But Bevan's average will be tough to beat.
 
I like the look of Kohli, I think he has a better defence whilst Akmal has a better offence. So Kohli I think will do well in the long form of the game which is the real test.

But blimey how long is this thread????
 
I think Kohli is going to be a huge dissapointment this year at England.
 
Umar Akmal by far...

His average is going up and up
He can play under pressure and lift the team (most of the time)
Hes younger
Has all the shots and more
By far the most shtylish player out there

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and this

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kohli cant play like this...
 
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IAJ said:
In ODIs he will InshAllah, he is still new (played some 40+ matches) and the guys you have mentioned have all played more than 150 matches. But Bevan's average will be tough to beat.
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He will, he may type things have no place in comparison threads bro :) It's done on basis of actual performances
 
Umar Akmal by far...

His average is going up and up
He can play under pressure and lift the team (most of the time)
Hes younger
Has all the shots and more
By far the most shtylish player out there
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And the award for most biased post of the thread goes to..........
 
And whats this UA Vs whole of India?:D

Should we also say Raina Vs whole of Pak? Or Nehra Vs whole of Pak?
 
And BTW, how many did UA score against 'whole of India' in that game? How exactly did it help Pak to win that game against 'whole of India'?
 
SG said:
And whats this UA Vs whole of India?:D

Should we also say Raina Vs whole of Pak? Or Nehra Vs whole of Pak?
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This particular shot was the first six of the game, and the moment was unique. When you have the whole crowd silent and the rr ticking making the game impossible, this shot came out of nowhere.

In this pressure situation he played his natural game...
 
lol, and that 'unique' moment proves he defeated 'whole of India'?:D
 
At the end of the day, hes the most important batsman for us. Tbh i think hes as talented as amir is (was). At this time, no one comes close to the way he plays his shots.

In my opinion, along with Morgan and AB hes wonderful to watch...
 
zid60 said:
At the end of the day, hes the most important batsman for us. Tbh i think hes as talented as amir is (was). At this time, no one comes close to the way he plays his shots.

In my opinion, along with Morgan and AB hes wonderful to watch...
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What shots? All I ever see is him getting out.
 
zid60 said:
Umar Akmal by far...

His average is going up and up
He can play under pressure and lift the team (most of the time)
Hes younger
Has all the shots and more
By far the most shtylish player out there


kohli cant play like this...
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pretty much everything Akmal is not.

his avg has been coming down .
He chokes more often than not .
He dosent look yonger than Virat
lol at all the shots , has no offside game at all.
if Akmal is stylish ? :facepalm:

Umer is good player & I rate him for LOIs ..but not the player some of you want him to be .
 
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Given that one plays tests in an absurdly bad batting lineup, a comprehensive comparison is not possible. In ODIs, it's Kohli by a country mile. In tests, the comparison is moot.
 
what ho said:
Given that one plays tests in an absurdly bad batting lineup, a comprehensive comparison is not possible. In ODIs, it's Kohli by a country mile. In tests, the comparison is moot.
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Darren Bravo is class , it dosen matter what his avgs are & its irrevelant he plays for the a even worse batting linup .
 
He seems very good. And I fervently hope that he, with Barath, Simmons and A.Nother become the stalwarts of the West Indian renaissance.
 
Kohli should be compared with somebody like Asad Shafiq...Both are boring players, have limited number of shots & cant hit to save their lives.
 
hum cricket ke bare mein baat kar rahe hain ya modeling?

Why so much emphasis on style?
 
Kohli is improving day by day. The only problem I have with him is that he is very confrontational. Chatting with the bowler will not help his concentration. I love how much value he places on his wicket. I hope he can channel in all that aggression properly and just concentrate on his game.
 
Yeah, he is quite immature and short tempered. He needs to chillax a little, but hopefully that will come as he ages. I just don't want him to turn into another Ricky Ponting when it comes to behavior and arrogance (I'll be fine with him turning into the batsman Ricky Ponting though :P)
 
akamaka said:
what is kohli's avg this tour and what was umar's against windies? any1 have the stats, should tell us who performed against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions/time.
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As you say :)

Averages Comparison:

Virat Kohli - 199 runs at 39.80

Umar Akmal - 77 runs at 35.50

:D
 
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Statsman said:
As you say :)

Averages Comparison:

Virat Kohli - 199 runs at 39.80

Umar Akmal - 77 runs at 35.50

:D
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We also have to take note that Umar Akmal faced less overs - came out in situations where he was forced to play his unatural game as most of the times batting PP play was taken and more importantly, he was playing in a role which clearly does not suit his style of play.

HOWEVER, in 2011... IF you add up averages from the World cup 2011 too, then Umar Akmal edges it mathematically.

Here are the averages from the World cup 2011...

Umar Akmal - 48.00
Virat Kohli - 35.25

*note ;- There were 2-3 advantages in favour of Kohli then to Umar Akmal, during the World cup.

Overall, add up the averages from World cup 2011 and ODI performances versus West Indies, and I'm pretty sure statiscally Umar Akmal has done better or... Even edges it.
 
^but that rules out the same opposition/same conditions funda which he was giving.

I just replied to his question :)


P.s. Why count from World Cup onwards, why not career (they havent had a very long careers so far) average/stats etc? being selective? :P
 
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Statsman said:
I just replied to his question :)
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... Sorry, just wanted to add that specific statistic, considering it's from 2011, I guess overall in terms of 'batting average'... Umar Akmal has been better with the bat IF we add the averages from the ODI series v West Indies & 2011 World cup up. :D

P.s. Why count from World Cup onwards, why not career (they havent had a very long careers so far) average/stats etc? being selective? :P
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I would have done that, but it would have taken me a long time to do it BUT more importantly... I thought it would be easier and better to judge these two statiscally if we add their averages up from the beginning of the new year [2011]... Consider it as a fresh start to compare these two but on a serious not, I thought I'd compare them from their performances 'in recent games' preferably games which were held in 2011! :P
 
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To be honest Rohit Sharma is wayyyy more talented than Akmal and Kholi combined. RS has all the shots, big shots, elegant shots, solid defence, timing shots if he became a bit more professional he can be the best for years to come...
 
That Sharma chappie does have an element of lackadaisical elegance about his batting. I believe that questions about his temperament have been raised?
 
That Sharma chappie does have an element of lackadaisical elegance about his batting.
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Even though its way too early to write his name in same sentence with similarly lazily elegant bats like VVS, Waugh Jr, Gower, Anwar etc, still signs are encouraging. If only he can fix his temperament.
 
A Test call-up was inevitable and he gave an optimistic glimpse into the future of Pakistan cricket, with a century on debut, under pressure.
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There you go Talha Bhai :D
 
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