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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

PaPaPak said:
I honestly believe Kohli can't play an innings like Umar Akmal did under pressure returning back even if we don't win he still played really good
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kohli played many good innings in similar situations..
one difference is that kohli use to build the partnership and usually he rotates the strike and accumulate unlike akmal..

but watching :umarakmal playing is like watching Raina , both play attacking shots all the time
 
Pls don't insult kohli. Umar is a slogger who on his day with all the luck in the world can't win the game for his team.
 
PaPaPak said:
I honestly believe Kohli can't play an innings like Umar Akmal did under pressure returning back even if we don't win he still played really good
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Seriously? I give major props to Umar's innings today and he definitely has all the shots and talent, but if we are talking about one dayers, there is daylight between the stats of Kohli and Umar.

Umar: Avgs: 38, Strike rate: 86.29, Centuries: 1
Kohli: Avgs: 46, Strike rate: 83, Centuries: 7

Kohli so far has failed in tests (played 3 of them). When it is all said and done Umar may very well prove to be a legend of the game, but going by what we see now (42 one dayers for Umar, 62 for Kohli) Kohli has him beat by a mile.
 
DadaFan said:
Seriously? I give major props to Umar's innings today and he definitely has all the shots and talent, but if we are talking about one dayers, there is daylight between the stats of Kohli and Umar.

Umar: Avgs: 38, Strike rate: 86.29, Centuries: 1
Kohli: Avgs: 46, Strike rate: 83, Centuries: 7

Kohli so far has failed in tests (played 3 of them). When it is all said and done Umar may very well prove to be a legend of the game, but going by what we see now (42 one dayers for Umar, 62 for Kohli) Kohli has him beat by a mile.
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What these stats dont tell you is how many games have they both played at home. Most (if not all) of U. Akmal's innings have been away from home. Now keep that into consideration and re-think this out.
 
Fair comparison should be between Raina vs Umar :facepalm:
Both play similarly and greedy to score , and will be in a danger of getting out anytime when they play.
 
SwingNSeam said:
What these stats dont tell you is how many games have they both played at home. Most (if not all) of U. Akmal's innings have been away from home. Now keep that into consideration and re-think this out.
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Umar played all of his games out of the country.
 
One day in the future Kohli will be proud of that he once was compared with Umar akmal.
 
Yes Umar Akmal is playing on green pitches of South Africa. Not on flat tracks of Abu Dhabi, Dubai or Sharjah.
 
SwingNSeam said:
What these stats dont tell you is how many games have they both played at home. Most (if not all) of U. Akmal's innings have been away from home. Now keep that into consideration and re-think this out.
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Away from home:


Virat Kohli - 44.02 - 41 matches, 3 centuries

(39 in England 57.6 in South Africa)

Umar Akmal - 39.31 - 47 matches, 1 century
 
SwingNSeam said:
What these stats dont tell you is how many games have they both played at home. Most (if not all) of U. Akmal's innings have been away from home. Now keep that into consideration and re-think this out.
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If I did this right, which I may not have, Kohli's average away is:

Avg: 43.57
Strike Rate: 82.16
Centuries: 3
 
TheHK16 said:
the difference is that they play at different positions
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Yup this is true as well, they have very different roles to play. As Velu said the correct comparison is between Umar and Raina, though I suspect Umar will come ahead in that one.
 
Alamgeer said:
One day in the future Kohli will be proud of that he once was compared with Umar akmal.
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You may very well be right one day. I don't predict the future, just going with current stats and recent series.

I think Umar has the potential to be a fine batsman, but seeing him play today makes it real clear that while he has talent he is not as mature as Kohli on the field. But he has plenty of time to sort this out as he is young. Look forward to seeing more of him!
 
Umar Akmal
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Virat Kohli
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Its as simple as that

I guess Kohli is better, without looking at the stats too
 
Kohli is miles better at the moment , kohli looks professional and umar looks amateur. A big gap between the two.
 
Because koli has been managed better by his team not like umar when he dont get runs he is thrown out of the team and left on his own
 
There is no comparison at all atm . Look at kohli , he is standing tall with 7 centuries with umar having made just one . In Tests , Umar wins it easily and as far as talent goes umar looks better as well
 
Kohli bats for IND where people don't expect him to be the saviour

Kohli has the cushion of MSD/ Raina/ UV coming after him so can play freely

His natural play is to hit the ball along the ground, hits very few air borne shots

Kohli takes calculated risks
 
Statsman said:
Away from home:


Virat Kohli - 44.02 - 41 matches, 3 centuries

(39 in England 57.6 in South Africa)

Umar Akmal - 39.31 - 47 matches, 1 century
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DadaFan said:
If I did this right, which I may not have, Kohli's average away is:

Avg: 43.57
Strike Rate: 82.16
Centuries: 3
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Lets wait and time will tell. Right now kohli has played more overall games than Akmal. Im not saying neither is bad. But talent wise Akmal is one of the best out there.
 
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Well if UA cant control playing shots, it will be better for the team and for himself to open the innings.
He can play pace bowlers better than spinners, and against spinners he comes down all the time and tries to slog aka sehwag
 
One reason why I don't like comparing Kohli to Umar Akmal is because both of them play in a position where a different role and approach towards bowlers is required.

However,

Umar Akmal may have played in the 'same position' BUT today he came out in a situation where a usual #3 batsmen tends to come out - a position which he prefers and suits his natural style of play.

... And look what he produced? Yes the shot towards the end was dissapointing but overall he was brilliant with the bat, despite few scares of him throwing his wicket away.

The last time I compared these two was at the World cup 2011 - only because Kohli played in a similiar role like Umar Akmal which also didn't suit his natural style of play - which was coming out during PP - and Umar Akmal statiscally did better.

Wonderful performance from Umar Akmal today.
 
Put Umar Akmal at 3/4 and he will catch up with Virat. There's not a huge difference of talent between the two, one is just handled a lot better than the other by the management of their respective teams.
 
Theo_14 said:
... And look what he produced? Yes the shot towards the end was dissapointing but overall he was brilliant with the bat, despite few scares of him throwing his wicket away.
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You just highlighted why Kohli is currently better than Umar Akmal, he seems "currently" less prone to throw his wicket away or do something rash, which is why he has 7 centuries. I watched today's innings too. Like I said, I think he has immense talent, but he is far from reaching his potential.

I also agree with AM in that Kohli has a great cushion knowing the quality of batsmen to come after him, especially having Dhoni there. That is simply not an advantage that Umar has.
 
DadaFan said:
You just highlighted why Kohli is currently better than Umar Akmal, he seems "currently" less prone to throw his wicket away or do something rash, which is why he has 7 centuries. I watched today's innings too. Like I said, I think he has immense talent, but he is far from reaching his potential.

I also agree with AM in that Kohli has a great cushion knowing the quality of batsmen to come after him, especially having Dhoni there. That is simply not an advantage that Umar has.
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Another cushion that Kohli has is that the batsmen batting with him are not batting at a strike rate of under 40 (in an ODI!... ikr!?!?) :misbah
 
Desi_Joker said:
Another cushion that Kohli has is that the batsmen batting with him are not batting at a strike rate of under 40 (in an ODI!... ikr!?!?) :misbah
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Well yeah that too, but I think Pak posters are way too harsh on Misbah, without him you would have more attacking cricket but would would be in more tight situations as well. What was the guy going to do today, 3 down for like 20 runs, someone had to try and stabilize the innings.
 
DadaFan said:
You just highlighted why Kohli is currently better than Umar Akmal, he seems "currently" less prone to throw his wicket away or do something rash, which is why he has 7 centuries. I watched today's innings too. Like I said, I think he has immense talent, but he is far from reaching his potential.

I also agree with AM in that Kohli has a great cushion knowing the quality of batsmen to come after him, especially having Dhoni there. That is simply not an advantage that Umar has.
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One of many main issues which is blocking Umar Akmal's path in reaching his potential is...

1) His current batting position which doesn't suit his natural style of batting - generally... The way PCB are developing him.
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I honestly believe if PCB had brains like BCCI when it comes to developing youngsters then Umar Akmal would have been a different player.

There are more advantages for Kohli then for Akmal in terms of value. I refuse to compare them unless they both play in the same roles - which they indeed did at the World cup - and who was better out of the two?

Umar Akmal.

I'll answer who's better and who's not when both of the players play in the same position and role - in another words... Umar Akmal playing in the #3 position. But if we take out this out of topic then yes Kohli edges it, no doubt. Imo... R. Sharma v Umar Akmal is a better comparison.
 
Kohli has achieved much much more than Umar right now, cant compare.

But his innings today re-confirms my opinion that he should be batting at 4
 
DadaFan said:
You are kidding right? Rohit Sharma is one over-hyped failure. Umar is infinitely better than him.
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Does it look like I'm kidding? :)

I repeat 'imo'... Sharma v Umar Akmal would be a better comparison. However that's unlikely as Sharma is hardly in India's International plans but the time is on his side to make a comeback.

I've always rated him - he has potential and bags of talent no doubt, one of few young players I enjoyed watching for India.
 
DadaFan said:
Well yeah that too, but I think Pak posters are way too harsh on Misbah, without him you would have more attacking cricket but would would be in more tight situations as well. What was the guy going to do today, 3 down for like 20 runs, someone had to try and stabilize the innings.
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stabilizing the innings doesn't mean you block everything...it means to rotate strike and not play risky shots...
 
Theo_14 said:
I repeat 'imo'... Sharma v Umar Akmal would be a better comparison. However that's unlikely as Sharma is hardly in India's International plans but the time is on his side to make a comeback.
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I think 60+ matches at an average of 30+ means that we have seen the last of him. God I hope so. Lots of people have talent, Rohit unfortunately, does not seem to have the mental fortitude to play cricket at the international level. Well then again he may prove me wrong, but I don't think so :)

I can't and won't predict the future but I do firmly believe that Umar Akmal will continue to improve and he is by far your most talented batsman on display.
 
Raina and rohit are no comparison to umar. But virat is superior. Raina can't play short balls and rohit more often than not fails.
 
saeed-sohail said:
Personal grudge? Might be true. As a fan I have suffered enough at the hands of Akmals.
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Enough of this suffered fan thing of yours. It seems on YK doesnt make you suffer even when he goes for a duck. Apart from him every Pakistani player makes you suffer. Get a life.
 
Afridi_Fan said:
Enough of this suffered fan thing of yours. It seems on YK doesnt make you suffer even when he goes for a duck. Apart from him every Pakistani player makes you suffer. Get a life.
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I have got a life I am not a loser like you who swears on twitter after losing an argument on PP. I have an opinion on cricket and I will express it on a forum. If you have a problem you can have one who cares.
 
saeed-sohail said:
I have got a life I am not a loser like you who swears on twitter after losing an argument on PP. I have an opinion on cricket and I will express it on a forum. If you have a problem you can have one who cares.
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LoL. You have a life? That's a news to me. It seems your life has been sucking up to one YK, other than that sulking about being disappointed by everyone else. And that twitter message was not for you, sent to the wrong guy. For that I apologize. Everything else, well that is a different story. LoL
 
They need to bring Umar Akmal up the order in ODIs.

Simple as that.

Until then, Kohli is a miles better batsman due to his approach and locked position.
 
Afridi_Fan said:
LoL. You have a life? That's a news to me. It seems your life has been sucking up to one YK, other than that sulking about being disappointed by everyone else. And that twitter message was not for you, sent to the wrong guy. For that I apologize. Everything else, well that is a different story. LoL
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I have been saying for two years YK doesn't deserve an ODI place.

I criticised him last night.

I am not a blind lover of hair styles and motor mouths.
I follow YK because he is a class player.

And it's ok about that twitter thing. No worries.
 
kingusama92 said:
They need to bring Umar Akmal up the order in ODIs.

Simple as that.

Until then, Kohli is a miles better batsman due to his approach and locked position.
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Umar Akmal SHOULD bat between two King tuk tukers i.e YK and Misbah.
 
saeed-sohail said:
I have been saying for two years YK doesn't deserve an ODI place.

I criticised him last night.

I am not a blind lover of hair styles and motor mouths.
I follow YK because he is a class player.

And it's ok about that twitter thing. No worries.
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Ab hair style agar hai tu ye Allah ki dain hai na. Jalna chor do. And besides hair style one of the most consistent Pakistani bowler in the last few years. :afridi
 
Afridi_Fan said:
Ab hair style agar hai tu ye Allah ki dain hai na. Jalna chor do. And besides hair style one of the most consistent Pakistani bowler in the last few years. :afridi
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He is having a good 2011 but overall he has the worst average of Pakistan bowlers since 2007 when he is supposed to be at his bowling peak.
 
DadaFan said:
I think 60+ matches at an average of 30+ means that we have seen the last of him. God I hope so. Lots of people have talent, Rohit unfortunately, does not seem to have the mental fortitude to play cricket at the international level. Well then again he may prove me wrong, but I don't think so :)

I can't and won't predict the future but I do firmly believe that Umar Akmal will continue to improve and he is by far your most talented batsman on display.
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Boy, you are so wrong. He averages 129 after his comeback into the side post World Cup.

Rohit Sharma would have been playing the last England ODI series had he not had that finger injury playing the previous series.

Rohit Sharma is one of the few Indians in the younger crop who looks comfortable playing on bouncy wickets.

His record in the recent past has been phenomenal. Averages 44 in the last 1 year.
 
From where I see ,, Kohli is very organized player and knows what he need to do, thats primary reason for his success . Talent wise he might not be superior to Umar but on the mental side he indeed is more tough and handles situations better than Umar Akmal.
So in the longer run I see kohli as being more successful in terms of run making .
Umer has some catching up to do about his approach and game plan ,,if he want to beat kohli .
 
The thing with Umar akmal is that despite having great talent he never plays according to situation. HE needs to grow up mentally and that is the main difference between him and Kohli...

Kohli would never have gone for a Slog after hitting three consecutive boundaries :facepalm:
 
that one over yesterday just summed it

3 fours struck by someone with superb hand-eye co-ordination and skill
then with all the hard work done just gave it away

so frustrating


What I did like was that he then sat out the match by himself and hopefully has reflected

Hes still learning and I would play him at 4 between YK and Misbah in ODIs and also between Azhar Ali and YK in tests.

He has somehing of KP about him, I for one love him (as a player)
 
Theo_14 said:
One of many main issues which is blocking Umar Akmal's path in reaching his potential is...



I honestly believe if PCB had brains like BCCI when it comes to developing youngsters then Umar Akmal would have been a different player.

There are more advantages for Kohli then for Akmal in terms of value. I refuse to compare them unless they both play in the same roles - which they indeed did at the World cup - and who was better out of the two?

Umar Akmal.

I'll answer who's better and who's not when both of the players play in the same position and role - in another words... Umar Akmal playing in the #3 position. But if we take out this out of topic then yes Kohli edges it, no doubt. Imo... R. Sharma v Umar Akmal is a better comparison.
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BCCI will be mighty pleased to hear that. Likes of Irfan Pathan, Ishant Sharma, Murali Karthik will have something else to say though :)
 
hur rizvi said:
The thing with Umar akmal is that despite having great talent he never plays according to situation. HE needs to grow up mentally and that is the main difference between him and Kohli...

Kohli would never have gone for a Slog after hitting three consecutive boundaries :facepalm:
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Even when he hit that six on the bowling of Fernando. That was a very good hit. But he tried to hit the ball again, missed it and that looked ugly. Since team was already 3 down, he should have just gone for a single or so on next ball instead of looking to hit it away again.
 
U. Akmal can be compared with Raina as both play with all attack mindset and their shots are air borne. But there is a lot risk of getting out. Even Raina after hitting couple of boundaries tries to slog another 4/ 6 and gets out hence he is sent @ no.5/ 6 in ODI's.

Kohli is sent @ 3 as he plays strokes mostly on the ground and rotates the strike.
 
One tendency which i observed in PAK fans is that they admire and love players who play attackingly (even when the situation doesn't demand it)

At the same time they dislike players who play defensively (even when the situation demands)

Aggressive mentality :afridi
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
One tendency which i observed in PAK fans is that they admire and love players who play attackingly (even when the situation doesn't demand it)

At the same time they dislike players who play defensively (even when the situation demands)

Aggressive mentality :afridi
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one more reason why we have better batsmen and they better bowlers.....
 
Rookie123 said:
one more reason why we have better batsmen and they better bowlers.....
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we have a lot of great batsmen as well. miandad, inzi, anwar, zaheer, etc., to name a few. but we also have great fast bowlers which you have none. so dont compare pakistan cricket with yours. yours is only doing reasonably well in the last decade but ours have been doing well for the past 50 yrs or so.
 
pakcrickfan said:
we have a lot of great batsmen as well. miandad, inzi, anwar, zaheer, etc., to name a few. but we also have great fast bowlers which you have none. so dont compare pakistan cricket with yours. yours is only doing reasonably well in the last decade but ours have been doing well for the past 50 yrs or so.
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And yet you lose each time in the World Cups? :13: :typicalcomeback

Welcome to PP. :)
 
Kohli would have finished off the last game with a 100 not out score. That's what he usually does.
 
Umar Akmal has it all to be the box office star of Modern cricket. so young, but oozes attention from big gun players, who he either churps up or want to get into his head. they know that they have to distract him, otherwise its most lkely to be a barracade of constant attack from a defensive pakistani team.

UA holds the key for pakistan;'s transformation into the worlds best team, Kohli doesnt look up for it once the big guns around him disappear.
 
Virat Kohli and Akmal have both earned respect around the world in their own respective ways. All teams know that they are capable of casing them to lose. But upto now, i feel that Kohli can bottle it when it actually matters, and Akmal just cannot convert his wonderful starts, but he can get going anywhere, any situation.
 
Rana, i somewhat agree. UA seems to be a big match/tournament player. A lot like Yuvraj Singh.
 
But upto now, i feel that Kohli can bottle it when it actually matters, and Akmal just cannot convert his wonderful starts, but he can get going anywhere, any situation.
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Not true.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/430889.html

World cup Final

Eng series

Citing just 1 failure and you're saying he bottles it?
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all im saying is that he didnt look up for it the way Akmal always does. There is a massive difference in these twos psychological approach.

Each time Kohli will play outside the sub continent, it will always be at the back of his head that his nation's batsmen are just not the same over here the way they are during the ipl.
 
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