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Umar Akmal versus Virat Kohli

career defining for kholi....

umar akmal comparison before today was laughable.... now it's beyond a joke.
 
Great innings. His composure whenever India chases is just amazing. This guy is on his way to enter ATG ODI players.
 
we are not clear wht we want him to become....if we want him to be a proper batsman let him play test cricket as well no way he will learn that in domestic because he is scoring runs in domestic with whatever temprament he has if we want him to become just a slogger at number 6 or 7 that will not turn him into a proper batsman an other differnce is history of these countries we produce better bowlers by our coaches but we do not have better batting coaches kholi is playing at number 3 and 4 consistently from last couple of years.
 
i always felt Kohli was the next great thing ... to me he is the most important Bat India has right now ... his temperament is unparalleled (especially being an Indian) ...

But to be fair i did not want such innings to come so early for him ... bcoz now he will be under tremendous pressure to perform every time like Sachin of old ... i hope he does not become what sachin has become ... i.e. carrying the burden of this cricket mad nation....
 
Blitz said:
Kholi is already doing what Sachin struggled with all his career.


Score a massive 100, stay not out, and lead the country to a victory.
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Check out last CB Series Finals that India won.
Why make a fool of yourself?
 
I think Kohli sealed it today .. he is really a big player .. although I love Umar's game but he has a lot to prove .. still Umar is just a 20s avg. player .. on the other hand Kohli is a master class batsman ..
 
fusebulb said:
i always felt Kohli was the next great thing ... to me he is the most important Bat India has right now ... his temperament is unparalleled (especially being an Indian) ...

But to be fair i did not want such innings to come so early for him ... bcoz now he will be under tremendous pressure to perform every time like Sachin of old ... i hope he does not become what sachin has become ... i.e. carrying the burden of this cricket mad nation....
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I have a feeling that might became a case in next away series.
 
great bat...the distance at the moment between the two is the same distance as that between the andromeda galaxy and the milky way! Brainless the boy-wonder can barely hold a bat these days while kohli is maturing day by day!
 
musama said:
we are not clear wht we want him to become....if we want him to be a proper batsman let him play test cricket as well no way he will learn that in domestic because he is scoring runs in domestic with whatever temprament he has if we want him to become just a slogger at number 6 or 7 that will not turn him into a proper batsman an other differnce is history of these countries we produce better bowlers by our coaches but we do not have better batting coaches kholi is playing at number 3 and 4 consistently from last couple of years.
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Yes , but fro now his ship has sailed for test cricket for at least one more year. The other guys have shown responsibility in test cricket but our akmal has an immature attitude for test cricket. He needs to grow up but not at the cost of losing us test matches. He needs to grab the one day opportunities or else he will be out of the team very soon.
 
Kohli has won games chasing ..... that is a hall mark of a great player.

What has Akmal done so far??? Talent which is of no use to the team. You need to win games under pressure to be world class.
 
Talent - Umar
Technique - Umar (footwork against spinners)
Temperament - Kohli

The 4th category would be Utility. Umar has been utilised so poorly its unbelievable.

Great innings from Kohli, if he goes on like this, he will soon be one of Indias best ODI batsman,

ATM Kohli>Akmal

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That was a stunner from Kohli. My goodness, what on earth. 320 chased in 36 overs in a tense must win game. Not Indian, very very unindian.

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Simple. We have a batting culture, hence any new guy coming through the ranks is nurtured well and is better than the corresponding Pakistani batter at any stage of their careers.

Likewise, Pakistan have a bowling culture. I bet any of those pacers used in the England tests is better than Umesh Yadav, say.

A joint Indo-Pak team would rule the world.
 
These forums are full of haters!! Poor Umar! I still hold that if Umar is given 10 inning at number 4, you will see him prosper!

Success of one is not equal to scrutiny of other.
 
zid60 said:
Talent - Umar
Technique - Umar (footwork against spinners)
Temperament - Kohli

The 4th category would be Utility. Umar has been utilised so poorly its unbelievable.

Great innings from Kohli, if he goes on like this, he will soon be one of Indias best ODI batsman,

ATM Kohli>Akmal

:)
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Sorry but couldn't resist highlighting this :))) :))) :)))
 
Umar is fast becoming a Pakistani version of Ashraful - PCB management need to get him under some sensible batting coach and keep him away from international scene for atleast one season.
 
LOL people are still hanging on talent thing!

Kohli was born talented it seems, as in his teen-age days, he captained winning under 19 WC. So, stop with more talented than this and that.
 
^Lol they can't be more delusional. They seem to think UA has all the talent and technique and isn't performing because of players he's playing around. :))) There was a certain Lara who played with a bunch of no-bodies yet is one of the legends.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
^Lol they can't be more delusional. They seem to think UA has all the talent and technique and isn't performing because of players he's playing around. :))) There was a certain Lara who played with a bunch of no-bodies yet is one of the legends.
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Brain defense mechanism. :D

I don't want to say Umar is not talented, he sure is, seeing all the shots he can play, but to say he is more talented than Kohli is B.S. and insulting for Kohli. There are no shots left that Kohli hasn't executed with authority. And that trademark flick towards mid-wicket is stunning. Walking down cover drive! Punch on back foot towards extra cover! These are not easy shots to play.

I am just saddened by the fact that Umar is still not ready and not considered as their top scorer ergo letting him play at number 4. He is not even 25 so I think pak. management and fans shouldn't be hasty.
 
Pakistani batsman can't even chase 230 in 50 overs and this young lad has just done the near impossible!

Akmal won a few battles, but Kohli has come back and won the war, and by a big distance aswell. Congrats India, you've got yourself someone very special :)
 
Can this thread be closed??

Akmal is a very talented player. He has all the shots in the book.

You need to have a good head on your shoulders along with talent to succeed. U Akmal lacks the former. I am sure he will be very good some day. But that maturity might only come with age. He is still very young and lacks proper temperament.
 
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kohli has proved that not only is he more sensible but also more talented than umar akmal in all aspects of the game. Umar is the most talented pakistani batsman but , daren bravo, kohli, chandimal are all better than umar akmal.
 
@JibranAnsari : I agree brother. Umar Akmal needs to understand that he will be considered world class only when he plays well for 25 - 30 overs and wins game. To be honest I am really disappointed with him.
 
Umar Akmal reminds me of Yuvraj Singh early on. Yuvraj didn't score a lot of hundreds for a few years. But he was a damn good finisher. Umar is neither scoring hundreds nor finishing games. He should excel in something at least. The averages are decent but the impact has been negligible.
 
Umar Akmal and Kohli are very different sort of batsmen.It's an unfair comparison really.

Kohli is also much more experienced than Akmal.
Give Umar time.He might rise.
 
zid60 said:
Talent - Kohli
Technique - Kohli(footwork against spinners)
Temperament - Kohli

The 4th category would be brainlessness!. Umar

Great innings from Kohli, if he goes on like this, he will soon be one of Indias best ODI batsman,

Kohli>Akmal and will remain so as Brainless the Boy wonder will soon face the chopping block!!
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fixed!!:moyo
 
Umar Akmal and Kohli are very different sort of batsmen.It's an unfair comparison really.

Kohli is also much more experienced than Akmal.
Give Umar time.He might rise.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Umar Akmal reminds me of Yuvraj Singh early on. Yuvraj didn't score a lot of hundreds for a few years. But he was a damn good finisher. Umar is neither scoring hundreds nor finishing games. He should excel in something at least. The averages are decent but the impact has been negligible.
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Well said - Sardar jee:19:
 
Mr Mute said:
Umar Akmal and Kohli are very different sort of batsmen.It's an unfair comparison really.

Kohli is also much more experienced than Akmal.
Give Umar time.He might rise.
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jee buru ho kay bowler bunay gaa! only option for our so called saviour! bekaar player. Hamaad azam has more talunt in his middle finger than Boy wonder does!
 
talent.. wht is talent? how elegant batsman looks while playing then rohit sharma is mosre talented then both umar and kohli.. but its only looks ;)
kohli's foot work is better then both specially against quickies.. his pulls go infront of mid wicket so that shows he has lots of time and judges length quickly is not a slow scorer just a proper batsman who can change gears :)
right now there is no young batsman who can be compared to him imo
even that trott is over 30!
for us rohit has been utter dissapointment justl ike umar but i have high hopes form pujara,rahane, tiwary all are proper batsmen
 
Unfair to akmal. Indian team management has given a precise role to kohli. Team india has invested much on kohli and the results are starting to show. Kohli is nurtured well.... (cheers to the guy spotted the talent and brought him to team india).

On the other hand, u akmal? What team management is doing? I am still not sure what is his duty? To slog? To build? To accelerate? To keep wickets?

And why he isn't given chances in test now? (team management stood by kohli even in his rough patches).

Akmal isn't nurtured, nor has been used properly. Unless pakistan team management sorts out this issue, his faith will be same as kambli. Immense talent.... But result not expected.
 
im starting to like this kohli fella.. even though when he smiles after each boundary he looks like a serial killer
 
I agree.Kohli has been persisted with and lot of confidence has been shown in him by the team management.Same is with Raina as well.
I guess thats what you have to do sometimes.Thats what happened when Ganguly was the captain and yuvraj and harbhajan were coming into the side.
 
As some one mentioned earlier in this thread, Akmal seems confused with his role.

I like Akmal a little bit better for his audacious stroke play. But both Akmal and Kholi are exciting talents to watch.
 
Someone needs to have a sit down with Akmal, and tell him that from now on your role is so and so, no matter how many times you fail. Just show some confidence in him and allow him to develop his game in one paticular role. I'd have him at no.4 in all formats.
 
Umar Akmal is slighly different than Kohli/ Chandimal/ Bravo/ Devilliers

Umar plays way too many shots in the air that too when he is very early at the crease. Moreover after hitting a 4/ 6 in an over he tries to repeat that again in the same over (may be because the batsmen at the other end are not scoring much/ rotating strike)

Umar also tries some late cuts/ scoop shots which are very risky
 
Kohli is probably a better cricketer than Akmal I think. I prefer Kohli's style of batting he is an attacking batsmen that goes about it with good cricketing strokes unlike Akmal who is hit and miss.
 
Akmal just needs a batting coach if anything. Anyway no point comparing these 2 anymore, Kohli is one of the best ODI bats in world cricket right now.
 
I have never seen Akmal playing drives like Kohli. Kohli is equally good on both sides. if you had seen this innings, he scored a lot of boundaries on either side of the wicket. there was no premeditation in any of those strokes, hence less risky whereas with Umar I see him coming down the wicket or across most of the times, especially when he wants to score quickly. this technic is very risky, you cant play a long innings when you play like that. so technically Kohli is far better than Umar which is the reason why he has been very consistant. Umar should be compared with player like Raina who takes a lot of risk like Umar.
 
No contest these days as Whippy says.

I cant imagine Akmal playing an innings these days like Kohli just did. When Akmal first started out he DID play these sort of innings. He used to play in the V area back then. Now he's experimenting different shots on each ball just for the sack of experimentation.

Wicket keeping has not helped one bit. He should be relieved.
 
ChennaiFan said:
As some one mentioned earlier in this thread, Akmal seems confused with his role.

I like Akmal a little bit better for his audacious stroke play. But both Akmal and Kholi are exciting talents to watch.
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here Ill do it:

TGK: "Umar ithay aa"

UA: "Jee huzoor farmain"

TGK:" Ais lukri di cheeze da na bala hay"

UA:" Jee Hazoor"

TGK:" Ais Laal cheeze da na gaind hay"

UA: " jee Hazoor munu apnay role da ni patta sirjee"

TGK: " acha role da nee patta? acha is cheeze nu paichanda hain?

UA" Jee hazoor ida naa juthi hay"

TGK " teray role meray Juthi, run bana vurnay tera moan tay mery juthi..samaj aye hay?

Well something like that. His role is to make runs and not play stupid shots and get out. end of story, its not bloody rocket science is it? role batao ub in nawabzadoan ko"!!!
 
I guess Umar Akmal is very talented. What I have noticed recently is that whenever Umar comes to bat the runrate required is around 7 or 8, so whatelse can a batsman do. He goes for his shots and gets out. Get him up the order allow him to control the innings, probably he will start playing better.
 
At this moment, comparing Umar akmal to Virat Kohli is like comparing.... umar akmal to virat kohli.. poles apart..
 
the Great Khan said:
here Ill do it:

TGK: "Umar ithay aa"

UA: "Jee huzoor farmain"

TGK:" Ais lukri di cheeze da na bala hay"

UA:" Jee Hazoor"

TGK:" Ais Laal cheeze da na gaind hay"

UA: " jee Hazoor munu apnay role da ni patta sirjee"

TGK: " acha role da nee patta? acha is cheeze nu paichanda hain?

UA" Jee hazoor ida naa juthi hay"

TGK " teray role meray Juthi, run bana vurnay tera moan tay mery juthi..samaj aye hay?

Well something like that. His role is to make runs and not play stupid shots and get out. end of story, its not bloody rocket science is it? role batao ub in nawabzadoan ko"!!!
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Normally i dont agree with you.But totally agree here.If you are a batsman your job is to score runs.Go out there bat and score runs,thats it.

Btw you should try to post more often like this

That post is extremely funny.
 
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the Great Khan said:
here Ill do it:

TGK: "Umar ithay aa"

...

TGK " teray role meray Juthi, run bana vurnay tera moan tay mery juthi..samaj aye hay?

Well something like that. His role is to make runs and not play stupid shots and get out. end of story, its not bloody rocket science is it? role batao ub in nawabzadoan ko"!!!
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:))) Exactly.
 
Kohli is a legend in making whereas Umar akmal is an Idiot in making. Two different characters of a film where Umar akmal is a villain, who is in the process of killing his talent.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Yes , but fro now his ship has sailed for test cricket for at least one more year. The other guys have shown responsibility in test cricket but our akmal has an immature attitude for test cricket. He needs to grow up but not at the cost of losing us test matches. He needs to grab the one day opportunities or else he will be out of the team very soon.
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thank you for comments :)
 
the Great Khan said:
here Ill do it:

TGK: "Umar ithay aa"

UA: "Jee huzoor farmain"

TGK:" Ais lukri di cheeze da na bala hay"

UA:" Jee Hazoor"

TGK:" Ais Laal cheeze da na gaind hay"

UA: " jee Hazoor munu apnay role da ni patta sirjee"

TGK: " acha role da nee patta? acha is cheeze nu paichanda hain?

UA" Jee hazoor ida naa juthi hay"

TGK " teray role meray Juthi, run bana vurnay tera moan tay mery juthi..samaj aye hay?

Well something like that. His role is to make runs and not play stupid shots and get out. end of story, its not bloody rocket science is it? role batao ub in nawabzadoan ko"!!!
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Sorry TGK, I could not understand. I assume it is in Urdu or Hindi and I don't know those languages.

Anyhow, I agree, a batsman's job is to score runs. But each player in the team needs to play according to what the team wants him to do. Promoting Umar Akmal to no.3 and make him play longer would help Pakistan.
 
Kohli should not be compared with Umar.. Kohli is class all over him .. Umar is just a hype and below average scorer... no comparison!
 
ChennaiFan said:
Sorry TGK, I could not understand. I assume it is in Urdu or Hindi and I don't know those languages.
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Neither.
He wrote the fictitious account in Punjabi.. :)

cant help but smile regarding ur post. Assuming u r from Chennai, lad finds hindi/urdu complicated and here we have the stuff written in punjabi. The Gibberish went a notch higher :D
 
Enni puthhi punjabi bolun lyi jutti paeni chayidi ae vaise :P


Was hilarious though :)))
 
have said it before the boy has limited strokes to ever be world class. Kohli is a future all time great.
 
Any young guy coming through who can score at SR of 85+ without the Afridi gear? That's what needed to be the next big thing. In India too, there is only Kohli and Gambhir. Rest have their problems. Either can't score big or technique is too risky. I have high hopes from Ajinkya Rahane to join Gauti and Kohli in the supreme league
 
Umar has all around shots but a dip in his form these days or miss utilization of him i'd say ...
umar needs a good coach somebody who work with his cover drive i dnt see any one has done enough work with him...
where Kholi is surrounded with some players with great techniques
i wonder what Misbah or Mohsin would have been telling him how to play some specific shots Misbah could have told him that down on your knee and play it over long on or over midwicket :P LOL
 
sorry dont agree with this dip in form nonsense! he's had a dip in form since 2009 for goodness sake. Why cant some of you people understand? Its about progressing and learning. Now lets take Azhar ali as an example. He has come leaps and bounds since his debut which has now culminated in his performance in the final test. Look at Kohli who I rated as a young chap but who has found it tough going until recently. Its called hard work, determination and a will to suceed. Azhar and kohli have it, junior thinks he has it but doesnt.

to me he seems to think just because people say he is talented he doesnt need to work or think properly. why? what gives him the right to think he can just walk onto the pitch and hit every ball for a six or four? he has no right whatsoever!

I'll tell you what , if I were in charge I would give him a good talking to and drop him for three or four years! then promote hamaad azam in his stead who seems to be a harder worker and more determined!

The pakistan cricket team does not need flash pan harry's. we need dedicated youngsters who want to improve and play for their country. and in thisc ase we have three in azam, shafiq, azhar. brainless the boy wonder needs to run back to lahore and play with his brothers!
 
The biggest problem with UA is his attitude. Having a stubborn attitude isn't all that bad if the goal is right, Umar Akmal clearly has other agenda's as well, faking injury to include his brother in the team, in-fighting and stuff, clearly his priorities are not right.
 
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