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"Unworthy To Even Respond": India Slams Pak Minister's Kashmir Remarks

Thousands of people are still detained. Many have prob been murdered inside as we have seen previously. Only some phones are connected with many businesses still shut and people scared to venture outside. You call this lifted?

They are not Indian citizens and will never be.

It used to be 8 million detainees. Now it's down to a couple of thousand. It might increase or decrease depending on the strategy. GOI knows genocide is stupid and even rest of Indians will not tolerate it. Rest of India has warmed up to Kashmiris based on reports. That's good news for kashmiris. This is not just BJP or Indian govt. This move had been embraced by entire India. Kashmiris apparently have made their choice already with no violence so far. If there is violence, there's a half million soldiers to kepp that in check and the goons now know what their fate will be. This will be a smooth transition.
 
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You might allow soldiers to points guns at your family but others have more self respect. They hate India. Jihad or struggle with arms against such scm is very much legitimate.

Not the ground reality though. People will get over it slowly. Don't pick up a gun or a stone and you are ok. Now that's easy for millions to do. The rest will be shown a ditch. Enough of this drama for decades. A decisive step has been taken and it will be beneficial for everybody.
 
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It used to be 8 million detainees. Now it's down to a couple of thousand. It might increase or decrease depending on the strategy. GOI knows genocide is stupid and even rest of Indians will not tolerate it. Rest of India has warmed up to Kashmiris based on reports. That's good news for kashmiris. This is not just BJP or Indian govt. This move had been embraced by entire India. Kashmiris apparently have made their choice already with no violence so far. If there is violence, there's a half million soldiers to kepp that in check and the goons now know what their fate will be. This will be a smooth transition.

Detainees are those who have been taken away and are being held by Indian security forces. If you dont know the simple difference, there is no hope for you.
 
Not the ground reality though. People will get over it slowly. Don't pick up a gun or a stone and you are ok. Now that's easy for millions to do. The rest will be shown a ditch. Enough of this drama for decades. A decisive step has been taken and it will be beneficial for everybody.

Difference of opinions, you are happy for Indian soldiers to put a bullet into Kashmiris for throwing stones but I see it as occupied people who have a right to throw a stone, brick, grenade or anything they like against occupiers.
 
Imran must create some buzz.

I do not see the same energy and passion in his tweets as I did two months ago.
 
Imran must create some buzz.

I do not see the same energy and passion in his tweets as I did two months ago.

You need to send him a tweet that you consider him the greatest South Asian leader. Your encouragement will give him the necessary energy to bring the Kashmir issue to a just conclusion.
 
You need to send him a tweet that you consider him the greatest South Asian leader. Your encouragement will give him the necessary energy to bring the Kashmir issue to a just conclusion.

But brother I don't. Chacha Nehru remains the greatest by far but i have always appreciated Imran for him being one of the few modern leaders who see the world with the eyes of humanity.

Yes IMO he is the leader of Asian block followed by Sheikh Haseena.

He must speak against Chinese too for their treatment of Muslims. That's one of my few grudges with Immy the good guy.
 
But brother I don't. Chacha Nehru remains the greatest by far but i have always appreciated Imran for him being one of the few modern leaders who see the world with the eyes of humanity.

Yes IMO he is the leader of Asian block followed by Sheikh Haseena.

He must speak against Chinese too for their treatment of Muslims. That's one of my few grudges with Immy the good guy.

I meant that a tweet from you putting him just behind Nehru, and the greatest living South Asian leader will mean a lot to IK and enable him to carry on his struggle undaunted by the fact that he has made no progress at all in evicting India from Kashmir after more than two months of non-stop whining.
 
He will tweet day in and day out and maintain status quo...there will be no other move by him.
 
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any new tweets from IK?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In his message to the nation on Kashmir Black Day annually observed on October 27, the prime minister Imran Khan said the world community, international human rights organizations and the international media were calling India out on the tyranny in Kashmir. <a href="https://t.co/YXtKRZ01Sa">pic.twitter.com/YXtKRZ01Sa</a></p>— Information Ministry (@MoIB_Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoIB_Official/status/1188294860098473984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SAPM Information & Broadcasting Dr. Firdous Ashiq Awan says Pakistan will continue to support Kashmiri people in their just struggle for right to self-determination. Addressing a ceremony in Sialkot, she said Muslims of Kashmir are facing Indian atrocities with courage & bravery. <a href="https://t.co/E1T5cWRemW">pic.twitter.com/E1T5cWRemW</a></p>— Govt of Pakistan (@pid_gov) <a href="https://twitter.com/pid_gov/status/1193552962871844864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Nothing but words.

Nothing can be done with out starting a nuclear holocaust, no intelligent person wants that!
 
Instead of a negative action, I believe Pakistan has opted for a positive action: the Kartarpur corridor. A great sign for the a stable future.

Whole world can see Pakistan's positive intentions. Hopefully Indians will stop listening to hate-spittin' "media" and acknowledge what's in front on em.
 
How is the situation in Kashmir now? Is the internet restored?
 
How is the situation in Kashmir now? Is the internet restored?

Except internet, everything is back to normal in 95 % of the valley. In fact many are even getting ready for BSF (Border security Force) to join Indian army..

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thousands of youth waiting in a long queue for registration of BSF recruitment rally at BSF headquarter in outskirts of Srinagar <a href="https://t.co/hF69aUjra2">pic.twitter.com/hF69aUjra2</a></p>— Basit Zargar (باسط) (@basiitzargar) <a href="https://twitter.com/basiitzargar/status/1194900838860214272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Except internet, everything is back to normal in 95 % of the valley. In fact many are even getting ready for BSF (Border security Force) to join Indian army..

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thousands of youth waiting in a long queue for registration of BSF recruitment rally at BSF headquarter in outskirts of Srinagar <a href="https://t.co/hF69aUjra2">pic.twitter.com/hF69aUjra2</a></p>— Basit Zargar (باسط) (@basiitzargar) <a href="https://twitter.com/basiitzargar/status/1194900838860214272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol, sure.
 
How is the situation in Kashmir now? Is the internet restored?

Spoke to a friend in Kashmir a couple of days ago who somehow managed to get internet access for a few minutes.

He said they've been through "some terrible things" but that things were comparatively calmer now.
 
ISLAMABAD: Continuing to highlight the dire situation in India-held Kashmir, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has written another letter to the president of the United Nations Security Council and the UN secretary general.

Among other things, he conveyed Pakistan’s rejection of the “bifurcation” of occupied Kashmir, highlighted the continued violation of human rights by Indian forces, underlined India’s belligerent rhetoric and actions vis-à-vis Pakistan and reiterated the call for strengthening of UN Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP), says an official statement issued by the Foreign Office (FO) here on Monday.

The FO says at Pakistan’s request the foreign minister’s letter that had been sent on Oct 31 has been circulated to the UN membership as an official document of the Security Council.

The text of the letter released by the FO shows that it was the sixth such letter that has been written by the foreign minister to the UN officials.

“I want to bring to your attention the latest developments, including the illegal “bifurcation” of the Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir and continued escalation on the Line of Control (LoC) as well as increasingly belligerent rhetoric emanating from New Delhi,” Mr Qureshi writes in his letter.

In his letter the foreign minister stated that the Pakistan government had rejected the “bifurcation” of Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IOJ&K) into two union territories.

“Changing the status quo in IOJ&K unilaterally is in complete violation of the Security Council Resolutions, including Resolutions 47 (1948), 51 (1948), 80 (1950), 91 (1951), 122 (1957) and 123 (1957). These Indian actions are, therefore, null and void in terms of international law, and do not, in any way, prejudice the right to self determination of the people of IOJ&K,” writes the minister.

Highlighting the sufferings of the people in the IOJ&K, Mr Qureshi has written that the “inhuman lockdown” that was started after the illegal and unilateral actions of the Indian government on Aug 5, was now closing in on three months.

“The iron curtain that has descended on IOJ&K, holding over eight million Kashmiris under siege, has no parallel in recent history. Indian pretensions of ‘everything is fine’ has been exposed by denial of access to international media, leaders of India’s own political parties and civil society organisations to IOJ&K,” the minister said through the letter.

Mr Qureshi stated that the situation had been further compounded by the belligerent attitude adopted by the Indian civil and military leadership.

“One example of this irresponsible and inflammatory posture is the highly provocative statement by Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, calling for splitting of a sovereign country, in complete disregard for the Charter of the United Nations, international law and norms of civilized international behaviour.”

This, Mr Qureshi asserted, was followed by a baseless and fallacious statement by Indian army chief Gen Bipin Rawat, alleging that the Indian army had destroyed “launch pads/terrorist camps” on the Pakistani side of the LoC.

“Despite our immediate request to the Indian High Commission in Islamabad to share details, including longitudes and latitudes of the location, no response was received from India.

“What had actually happened was unprovoked ceasefire violations by Indian troops, targeting civilians on the Pakistan side of the LoC. To expose the Indian falsehood, we took members of the diplomatic corps based in Islamabad, as well as media representatives, to the site of Indian ceasefire violations. We also invited Islamabad-based Indian diplomats to join. They, however, chose to stay away. There were, of course, no launch pads/terrorist camps,” he added.

This episode once again exposes the intent of the Indian government, which seems willing to go to any extent to malign Pakistan, and take actions to divert international attention from the nightmare the people of IOJ&K are going through.

On Oct 29, he said, the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) shared with the world community the latest update on the dire human rights situation in occupied Kashmir, stating that it was “extremely concerned”, and highlighting prevention of freedom of movement, hampering the rights to peaceful assembly, health, education and freedom of religion and belief, as well as excessive use of force, including the use of pellet guns. “Many of political and civil society leaders continue to remain in detention, according to this update”

Mr Qureshi requested for the UN Security Council to work on strengthening both the mandate as well as the capacity of the UNMOGIP — the eyes and ears of the international community.

“This would not only be an important confidence-building measure, but a strengthened UNMOGIP would also be able to feed in accurate and timely information to the Secretariat and the UNSC, in order for them to avert escalation.

“Let me also call on the Security Council to remain actively seized of the matter and urgently address the deteriorating situation in the region, that is threatening regional peace and security,” the letter concludes.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1517559/qureshi-again-takes-up-kashmir-issue-with-un-officials.
 
Pakistani Senator: Kashmiris 'will hit back' at India's untenable lockdown

Former Pakistan Ambassador to the US, Sherry Rehman, speaks out about allies abandoning Pakistan, Azad Kashmir, accusations of sponsoring terrorism and the terrible lows of Pak-US relations.
Senator Sherry Rehman, Pakistan’s former information minister, ambassador to the US and leader of the opposition, has long been an outspoken voice on Kashmir.

Rehman had a twenty-year career as a journalist and was the Editor in Chief of the renowned monthly magazine, Herald, for ten of those years. She is a member of the Pakistan People's Party founded by the late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

Last week she joined other dignitaries and experts from around the world to attend a large conference in Ankara on the issue, where she also spoke to TRT World in between sessions.

“Pakistan has a lot more to do for amplifying Kashmiri voices,” Rehman said, and conferences such as this help raise awareness.

“We’re seeing an outpouring of support here today in Ankara.”

The event was attended by the Pakistani and Iranian ambassadors to Turkey and featured an address by Turkish Vice President, Fuat Oktay, along with speeches by Rehman, Lord Nazir Ahmed and officials from the MHP and AK Party, among others.

Kashmir has been in the headlines recently due to India’s controversial decision in August to revoke the autonomy of the state of Jammu & Kashmir and create two Union territories ruled directly from Delhi.

The dispute emerged from the dying days of the British Empire in India when the rulers of so-called princely states such as Kashmir were given a choice to accede either to India or to the new Muslim-majority state of Pakistan.

The Hindu ruler of Muslim-majority Kashmir delayed his decision, leading to a war between India and Pakistan over the area in 1947-8. The territory has been divided ever since along the so-called Line of Control, initially a ceasefire line, with China seizing a small portion of the area in 1962 and receiving another segment from Pakistan in 1963.

India and Pakistan fought two subsequent wars over Kashmir in 1965 and 1999.

The UN has called for the withdrawal of forces and a plebiscite to determine the fate of Kashmir. Pakistan has long advocated implementing the UN resolutions and holding a referendum, while India has rejected any effort to “internationalise” the dispute, insisting the issue be handled bilaterally in line with the 1972 Simla Agreement and 1999 Lahore Declaration.

Rehman accuses the Indians of hypocrisy.

“They keep saying it’s a bilateral issue,” she said, but when Pakistan attempts to negotiate, “they turn around, and they say it’s an internal matter.”

She is adamant that Islamabad must bring the issue back to the UN and other multilateral forums. The UN Security Council held an extraordinary session at China’s request on Kashmir in August, but the meeting did not result in a formal statement.

Kashmiris are “denied the right to decide who governs them,” Rehman said.

Pakistan has long advocated self-determination for the people of Kashmir, through a referendum. But it is unclear that Islamabad would tolerate independence for all Kashmiris, including those who reside in Pakistan.

Rehman said those people “chose to come to Pakistan,” although there has not been a referendum on the issue. When asked to clarify, she acknowledged there had been no referendum, but said the situation in Pakistani Kashmir was different from the state of affairs in Indian Kashmir.

Unsustainable lockdown

Pakistan has recently lost international support on Kashmir. Its old allies Saudi Arabia and the UAE declined to criticise India’s revocation of the region’s autonomy. Malaysia’s president condemned the move, and faced sanctions in return, while Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke out at the UN, leading to the cancellation of a trip by prime minister Modi to Ankara. Iran’s supreme leader has also voiced his dismay.

“If one set of international actors have stood down,” Rehman said, “others have rightly stood up.”

She noted that 45 parliamentarians in the UK have written to the UN Secretary-General and that, even in the US, a close ally of India, Congress has held two hearings on Kashmir since August.

The Ankara conference was also “very successful” with support from across the political spectrum in Turkey.

From 2004, negotiations between India and Pakistan offered some hope of resolving the Kashmir crisis, but they broke down due to domestic politics in Pakistan and the Mumbai terrorist attacks of 2008. Since then, tensions have gradually escalated, as successive terror attacks by groups allegedly linked to Pakistan prompted retaliatory strikes from India.

Now, with its revocation of Kashmir’s autonomy, India is tightening its grip on the disputed region. Many more troops have been sent to the area, adding to the hundreds of thousands already there, while communications have been cut and a curfew imposed. There have been allegations of widespread abuses, including arbitrary arrests, maiming of civilians, and mistreatment of prisoners.

Rehman described India’s human rights violations as “egregious” and said its conduct would backfire.

“The curfew, the lockdown, the torture, the oppression, that is not sustainable strategically or politically for India.”

The Kashmiris “will hit back” given the oppression they are being subjected to, and, when they do, India will blame Pakistan unfairly, leading to a further escalation.

“This kind of conflict poses a great hazard to both regional and global stability,” Rehman said, with “two nuclear, heavily-armed countries facing each other.”

The page has to be turned

Pakistan has long been accused of supporting militant groups in Kashmir, and India insists it continues to do so, an allegation rejected by Rehman.

“If there was militant activity from Pakistan, everyone would know about it,” she said, “this is not the age of opacity.”

It is also risky for Islamabad to back militant proxies, as it faces scrutiny from the Financial Action Task Force, which monitors terror financing.

Rehman insists that Pakistan is fighting “long, protracted battles against militant extremism and terrorism.” There has been a “significant investment” in “moving away from terrorism”.

“It has been a threat to Pakistan,” she said, noting the huge cost to Pakistan’s economy and society. “Why would we invest in something that would come back and hit us?” she asked.

“The page has to be turned.”

Islamabad is also under enormous pressure from the US to crack down on any militant groups operating in its territory. Last year President Trump suspended all security assistance to Pakistan over its alleged support for terrorism.

However, bilateral relations with Washington have improved in the past year due to Islamabad’s help in facilitating peace talks with the Taliban to end America’s war in Afghanistan.

Rehman was ambassador to the US from 2011-2013 when ties between the two countries had nosedived. She describes that time as a “very tough low” for US-Pakistan relations, but says things are now “picking up” due to Washington’s desire for an honourable exit from Afghanistan.

The relationship is one of “terrible lows and highs,” she said.

“That’s just something we’ve learned to work with and accept.”

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/p...-hit-back-at-india-s-untenable-lockdown-31712
 
One year+ on and not many of these predictions came true. Those dreaming about war must be thoroughly disappointed.
 
Pakistan says Indian shelling kills civilian in disputed Kashmir

A civilian has been killed and three others wounded by Indian shelling in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, Pakistan’s military has said.

A 50-year-old woman died and the other civilians – including a four-year-old child – were wounded in the incidents in the Tatta Pani and Jandrot areas on Tuesday, as tensions remained high between the South Asian neighbours in the disputed region.

“Indian troops unprovoked ceasefire violation in [Tatta Pani] and Jandrot Sectors along [the Line of Control], deliberately targeting civil population with mortars and heavy weapons,” said a Pakistan military statement.

Pakistan and India have fought two of their three wars over the disputed mountainous territory, which both claim in full but administer in part.

The shelling came hours before Pakistani army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Pakistani troops stationed at the Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border and ceasefire line that divides the disputed territory.

“These egregious violations of international law reflect consistent Indian attempts to escalate the situation along the LoC and are a threat to regional peace and security,” a statement by Pakistan’s ministry of foreign affairs office said on Wednesday.

Pakistan alleges that India violated the ceasefire more than 3,000 times this year, killing at least 28 civilians and wounding more than 249.

India does not routinely share data on its shelling in Pakistan but also records civilian casualties due to what it describes as shelling from the Pakistani military.

Last week, Indian firing across the LoC damaged a United Nations military observers’ vehicle, part of a fact-finding mission to an area of Pakistan-administered Kashmir that is close to the LoC.

Pakistan’s foreign ministry vehemently protested the incident, in which there were no casualties but bullet holes were visible on the UN vehicle.

India’s foreign ministry, meanwhile, denied that Indian troops were responsible for the damage.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...shmir-pakistan-says?__twitter_impression=true
 
Kashmir is forever India’s. Pakistan cannot do anything regarding its status. We should forget Kashmir and concentrate on how to elevate the living standards of Pakistanis.
 
At this point of time, Pakistan should realize that, world has moved on from kashmir and no one will intervene on internal conflict of a country. If any state of India has conflict with the central (happened previously also for different states), it'll be resolved within the parameters of the constitution.
 
Even Pakistans army knows that Kashmir will remain with India forever. But they would still continue to make it a Burning Issue to maintain their Power over the country.
 
Kashmir is forever India’s. Pakistan cannot do anything regarding its status. We should forget Kashmir and concentrate on how to elevate the living standards of Pakistanis.

I am confused on one hand you claim to care about human rights and how people are treated, however here you seem you almost gleeful hoping Kashmir would suffer under Indian occupation forever. Why the hate for them?

Anyways I always find it funny when people use the words like forever. What has ever lasted forever ? Name one empire or occupying force that has lasted forever?
 
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Tweeting furiously, compiling dossiers and standing up for 30 minutes during Kashmir ‘hour’ has been about as far as Pakistan has gone. I’m sure the Kashmiris who don’t want Indian rule are really touched by this and these steps have made a huge difference to their lives.

The Indian side hasn’t fared much better - where’s the jobs and development that was promised? Many don’t even have their mobile internet services back to what it was. Yet they are, because of covid, expected to rely on such internet for their home schooling and work.
 
Tweeting furiously, compiling dossiers and standing up for 30 minutes during Kashmir ‘hour’ has been about as far as Pakistan has gone. I’m sure the Kashmiris who don’t want Indian rule are really touched by this and these steps have made a huge difference to their lives.

The Indian side hasn’t fared much better - where’s the jobs and development that was promised? Many don’t even have their mobile internet services back to what it was. Yet they are, because of covid, expected to rely on such internet for their home schooling and work.

Heh, as if the rest of India has got that either. :91:
 
A week to go - I'm waiting with bated breath!

Don't wait listen, listen damnit!!

Bajwa, some british pakistanis with extra sauce of internet "patriotism" and Zaid Hamid types are riding thier arabian horses with shamsheer in thier hands to liberate not only Kashmir but the whole of India

You must be shivering with fear, I suggest you and all other indians start saving up for jizia taxes...

Don't say you weren't warned!
 
Pakistan army says soldier killed by Indian shelling in Kashmir

A Pakistani soldier was killed in border clashes with Indian forces in the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir on Thursday, Pakistan’s military has said.

The soldier was killed in the Satwal sector on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border that divides Kashmir into two parts controlled by Pakistan and India.

“Pakistan’s army responded effectively to Indian firing, causing substantial damage to Indian troops and men,” said Pakistan’s military media wing, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), in a statement.

The incident comes two days after a 50-year-old woman was killed and three people were wounded in the Tatta Pani and Jandrot areas.

Pakistan blamed India for the incident.

Border clashes have increased in recent weeks.

Pakistan accused Indian troops of deliberately opening fire on a United Nations vehicle carrying two observers on the Pakistani side of Kashmir earlier this month.

According to Pakistan’s foreign ministry, Indian forces have committed more than 3,000 ceasefire violations this year in which 28 people were killed and more than 250 injured.

Pakistani authorities summoned a senior Indian diplomat at least three times last week to protest against ceasefire violations.

India does not routinely share data on its shelling in Pakistan but also records civilian casualties due to what it describes as shelling from the Pakistani military.

The nuclear-armed South Asian neighbors have already fought two of their three wars over Kashmir, a region both sides claim in full but administer parts of.
 
I am confused on one hand you claim to care about human rights and how people are treated, however here you seem you almost gleeful hoping Kashmir would suffer under Indian occupation forever. Why the hate for them?

Anyways I always find it funny when people use the words like forever. What has ever lasted forever ? Name one empire or occupying force that has lasted forever?

Pakistan’s narrative on Kashmir has no legs to stand on. Nobody gives a hoot to a country who survives on the IMF and foreign loans. Also, Pakistan’s stance is very hypocritical - on one hand, Pakistan claims to care so much about human rights but at the same time, it signs a UN document supporting China’s re-education camps.

Besides, I am yet to see any condemnation of the widespread persecution of Ahmedis, Hindus and Christians in Pakistan by the government and its ministers. They are only good enough to harp on about the treatment of Muslim minorities in faraway lands. Shameful!
 
Pakistan’s narrative on Kashmir has no legs to stand on. Nobody gives a hoot to a country who survives on the IMF and foreign loans. Also, Pakistan’s stance is very hypocritical - on one hand, Pakistan claims to care so much about human rights but at the same time, it signs a UN document supporting China’s re-education camps.

Besides, I am yet to see any condemnation of the widespread persecution of Ahmedis, Hindus and Christians in Pakistan by the government and its ministers. They are only good enough to harp on about the treatment of Muslim minorities in faraway lands. Shameful!

So all that means that Kashmiris deserve to suffer? Even if I agree with all your points(which I don’t) how does that excuse you cheering on and hoping that Kashmir suffers under Indian occupation forever? Even if Pakistan is the most evil nation in the world, does that excuse what India is doing in Kashmir?
 
Tweeting furiously, compiling dossiers and standing up for 30 minutes during Kashmir ‘hour’ has been about as far as Pakistan has gone. I’m sure the Kashmiris who don’t want Indian rule are really touched by this and these steps have made a huge difference to their lives.

The Indian side hasn’t fared much better - where’s the jobs and development that was promised? Many don’t even have their mobile internet services back to what it was. Yet they are, because of covid, expected to rely on such internet for their home schooling and work.

You need to take off your Hindustani glasses and see things more clearly from a neutral pov.

We now have UN inside the occupied land, the world knows India has a fascist extremist government abusing women and children inside the occupied land. Talks have taken place at the highest levels of the UN. World governments have started talkign about the issue, world media too and many world leaders too. India has tried to force the Kashmiris to side with them with threats, lockdowns but it hasnt worked, those people hate the RSS idiots even more now.

Palestine is a different issue but Kashmir will be free, the Indian army is full of weak soldiers and the government is full of clowns. When the BJP eventually are no longer ruling ,things will improve a lot of the oppressed people.
 
You need to take off your Hindustani glasses and see things more clearly from a neutral pov.

We now have UN inside the occupied land, the world knows India has a fascist extremist government abusing women and children inside the occupied land. Talks have taken place at the highest levels of the UN. World governments have started talkign about the issue, world media too and many world leaders too. India has tried to force the Kashmiris to side with them with threats, lockdowns but it hasnt worked, those people hate the RSS idiots even more now.

Palestine is a different issue but Kashmir will be free, the Indian army is full of weak soldiers and the government is full of clowns. When the BJP eventually are no longer ruling ,things will improve a lot of the oppressed people.


Oh the delusions :))

I actually feel sad for you man. So passionate and all this online patriotism and in the end it matters zilch.
 
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The Indian government has arrested at least 75 Kashmiri political leaders and activists to forestall political unrest after an alliance of Kashmir’s regional political parties won local elections, leaders and a police official said on Saturday.

The District Development Council elections, concluded early this week, were the first local polls since Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government revoked the special status of the Muslim-majority region last year.

New Delhi then cracked down on the opposition and rounded up hundreds of people to preempt protests and violence.

The latest detentions, which include separatist leaders and members of the banned Jamat-e-Islami group, were for preventive custody, said a senior police official, who asked not to be identified.

But Imran Nabi Dar, spokesman for the National Conference, a regional party and a key member of the alliance, said the detentions undermine the verdict of the people.

Omar Abdullah, a former chief minister and head of the National Conference, said the alliance’s victory shows that Kashmiris have not accepted Modi’s decision to end Kashmir’s special status.

The People’s Alliance for Gupkar Declaration (PAGD), which is pro-India but favours self-governance in Kashmir, won 112 of a total of 280 seats in the local elections, which were held in a staggered eight-phase process from November 28 through December 19.

Prime Minister Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) won 74 seats with just three of those in the Kashmir Valley.

Indian authorities have kept a tight grip on Kashmir since revoking its autonomy in August 2019 and have arrested most separatist leaders, who in the past have called for a boycott of elections.

New Delhi has annulled Kashmir’s constitution, split the area into two federal territories – Ladakh, and Jammu and Kashmir – and removed inherited protections on land and jobs.

The Kashmir-based politicians said the election results made it clear that Kashmiri people have rejected last year’s decision.

Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan with both claiming the region in its entirety.

Rebels have been fighting against Indian rule since 1989.

New Delhi accuses Pakistan of sponsoring Kashmiri separatist fighters, a charge Pakistan denies. Tens of thousands of civilians, fighters and government forces have been killed in the conflict.
 
Pakistan rejects Modi's claims about 'democracy' in occupied Kashmir

Pakistan on Saturday rejected the "preposterous and fallacious" claims by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi about "democracy" in occupied Kashmir, following the so-called elections of the District Development Council.

In a statement, the Foreign Office (FO) spokesman said: "The RSS-BJP brand of ‘democracy’ only means the muzzling of the Kashmiri voice and will, under the bayonets of Indian army guns."

The District Council election, which concluded early this week, was the first such exercise since Modi’s government last year revoked the special status of the region. On Saturday, New Delhi cracked down on the opposition and rounded up hundreds of people to preempt protests and violence after an alliance of regional political parties won the polls.

Earlier today, the Indian prime minister lashed out at his country's opposition, saying that the "peaceful election" in occupied Kashmir was a mirror to those who "teach me democracy every day".

According to Hindustan Times, Modi's statement was in response to comments made by Congress leader Rahul Gandhi, who had said that there is no democracy in India. In his address, Modi also said that the "transparent" elections in occupied Kashmir and the people's participation were a moment of pride for India, Times of India reported.

Responding to the Modi's address, the FO spokesman said: "The ‘new chapter’ that the RSS-BJP regime is writing in occupied Kashmir is one marked by the brutal military siege since August 5, 2019, egregious violations of human rights in the occupied territory, and untold sufferings for the Kashmiri people.

"False Indian narratives can neither deceive the Kashmiri people nor mislead the international community. Nor can they divert attention from the core issue of the Kashmiris’ inalienable right to self-determination."

Rather than resort to diversions and obfuscations, India should end its illegal occupation and meet its obligation of holding a plebiscite allowing the Kashmiris to exercise their right of self-determination as enshrined in the relevant UN Security Council resolutions, the statement said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1597946/pakistan-rejects-modis-claims-about-democracy-in-occupied-kashmir
 
Pakistan’s next move would be a game-changer! Immy would, again, fire off a Tweet at India and he will again face humiliation.
 
Pakistan’s next move would be a game-changer! Immy would, again, fire off a Tweet at India and he will again face humiliation.

He has faced nothing but humiliation on the Kashmir front. All the fake scripted speeches in UN and the bombastic tweets have not had any impact on the ground situation in Kashmir.

He even got snubbed by fellow Muslim leaders when he made a plea to them to join hands with him against India.

The problem now is that if he backs out he will be mocked and laughed at by India, so he has no choice but to continue to fire Tweets every now and then just to give an impression that he is still fighting for them.

After the Abhinandan episode, Imran and Pakistan thought they had secured a decisive victory in Kashmir and they will soon liberate the region from India.

However, Modi showed that he is two steps ahead of Imran and is a real politician - the curfew imposed on August 5, 2019 completely took Pakistan by surprise and killed the momentum that Pakistan gained with the stand-off in January 2019.
 
Do you have a date or timeline for this crescendo as well?

It will be a gradual process. Keep your eyes focused on India over the next five years. No side will give and inch over Modi vs the farmers fight. You heard it here first.
 
It will be a gradual process. Keep your eyes focused on India over the next five years. No side will give and inch over Modi vs the farmers fight. You heard it here first.

Alrighty! Feb 2nd 2026 it is.

*fastens seat belts*
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Deeply saddened by demise of Kashmiri ldr Ashraf Sehrai in illegal Indian custody. India's oppression of Kashmiris is a blot on int community's collective conscience. We will continue to support Kashmiris' just struggle for right to self-determination in acc with UNSC Resolutions</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1390028198990254080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
‘Great disservice to your office’: India stings UNGA Prez for his Kashmir remark

India on Friday described as “unwarranted” and “regrettable” the remarks by UN General Assembly President Volkan Bozkir that Pakistan should raise the Kashmir issue more forcefully and that all parties should refrain from steps that affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir.

Bozkir, a former Turkish diplomat who assumed office last September, made the comments at a Press interaction with Pakistan foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi in Islamabad on Thursday. Bozkir, the first Turkish national to preside over the General Assembly, was on an official visit to Pakistan during which he also met Prime Minister Imran Khan.

“We express our strong opposition to the unwarranted references made with respect to the Indian union territory of Jammu and Kashmir by the President of the United Nations General Assembly (PGA) Volkan Bozkir during his recent visit to Pakistan,” external affairs ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said.

Bozkir’s remarks that “Pakistan is ‘duty bound’ to raise the Kashmir issue at the UN more strongly are unacceptable”, and there is no basis for comparing the situation in Jammu and Kashmir to other global situations, Bagchi said.

“When an incumbent President of the UN General Assembly makes misleading and prejudiced remarks, he does great disservice to the office he occupies. The PGA’s behaviour is truly regrettable and surely diminishes his standing on the global platform,” he added.

At the press interaction in Islamabad, Bozkir said Qureshi had compared the Palestine and Kashmir issues. He also noted that Palestine has more “political wind” behind it, whereas the Kashmir issue doesn’t have the “same enlarged political wind behind it”.

Noting that it is Pakistan’s duty to bring the Kashmir issue to the UN “more strongly”, he said a meeting could be held on the matter if a group of countries submit an application.

Bozkir added, “As an impartial president of the General Assembly, I must also reiterate that the UN position on Jammu and Kashmir is governed by the UN Charter and applicable Security Council resolutions.

“India and Pakistan’s Simla Agreement of 1972...states that the final status of Jammu and Kashmir is to be settled by peaceful means in accordance with the UN Charter and this is, I think, very important that we must all remember.”

Bozkir further said, “I think both parties, all parties, must refrain from taking steps that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir. This is I think the very important part of how we look at the case.”

In August 2019, India revoked the special status of Jammu and Kashmir and split the state into two union territories. Pakistan opposed the move, which Indian officials said was aimed at increasing development, curbing terrorism and bringing the region into the mainstream.

India has rejected Pakistan’s criticism of these developments as interference in its internal matters.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...z-for-his-kashmir-remark-101622226879025.html
 
indians dont like freedom of speech again, especially coming from neutral - newly appointed official:

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indians dont like freedom of speech again, especially coming from neutral - newly appointed official:

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A Turkish official. Lol. He has been put in his place.
 
A Turkish official. Lol. He has been put in his place.

From what I have read, all India has done is basically say that his remarks were regrettable. You consider that putting him in his place lol? You have set a pretty low bar.
 
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From what I have read, all India has done is basically say that his remarks were regrettable. You consider that putting him in his place lol? You have set a pretty low bar.

He was called prejudiced and accused of misleading. That he brought down the prestige of his post. Pretty insulting for a man holding a ceremonial post.
 
Wow. Pretty strong words from the Turkish official. I think Indian response has been pretty weak in comparison. "Regretttable"? Lol.
 
One statment from a turkish official in a 'ceremonial position' prompted an official defensive response from a nation of 1.4 billion. Tells you who won this round of inconsequential verbal takedowns.
 
and with that replay - he got put into his place - ooooo the burnoil

He was basically called a liar. And Turkey and Erdogan have zero leverage and influence over India.

As i said, unless US or France or Russia try to use their leverage, statements from Pakistan or their allies like Turkey will mean nothing.
 
India and Pakistan can take each other's Kashmir only by force and neither is capable enough of doing that with their third world military might.
 
He was basically called a liar. And Turkey and Erdogan have zero leverage and influence over India.

As i said, unless US or France or Russia try to use their leverage, statements from Pakistan or their allies like Turkey will mean nothing.

So you are admitting that US, France and Russia may have leverage over India. This is quite instructive as it shows that India looks to the west rather than the east for leadership. And as a westerner I can well understand why.
 
Modi-led govt will have to restore IIOJK's special status: FM Qureshi

Pakistan is now recognized by the world as a part of the solution to its successful foreign policy, the FM adds

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi reiterated on Tuesday that the Narendra Modi-led Indian government would have to restore the special status of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK).

"India is faced with immense pressure due to its deteriorating internal situation," the foreign minister said in a statement.

Qureshi added that Pakistan was now recognized by the world as a part of the solution and not a part of the problem due to its successful foreign policy.

About his recent visit to Iraq, Qureshi said that he briefed his Iraqi counterpart about the situation in IIOJK and reiterated that Pakistan desired peace in the region.

Earlier, FM Qureshi said that Pakistan greatly valued its relations with Iraq.

Speaking to his Iraqi counterpart Fuad Hussein in Baghdad, Qureshi said the fraternal relations between the two countries are deep-rooted in common history, religion and cultural values.

He added that there are vast opportunities for cooperation between the two countries in the areas of trade, investment, education, technology, and infrastructure development.

Qureshi maintained that both Pakistan and Iraq can share their experiences in the fight against terrorism.

While talking to the Iraqi diplomat, Qureshi further stated that resolution of the Palestine issue is imperative for peace in the Middle East and IIOJK dispute for peace in South Asia.

The foreign minister termed the adoption of the resolution on Palestine by the UN Human Rights Commission as a major success.

The FM further said that said Pakistan enjoyed cordial relations with the United Arab Emirates and it desired to further strengthen this relationship in future.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302834/modi-led-govt-will-have-to-restore-iiojks-special-status-fm-qureshi
 
Modi-led govt will have to restore IIOJK's special status: FM Qureshi

Pakistan is now recognized by the world as a part of the solution to its successful foreign policy, the FM adds

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi reiterated on Tuesday that the Narendra Modi-led Indian government would have to restore the special status of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK).

"India is faced with immense pressure due to its deteriorating internal situation," the foreign minister said in a statement.

Qureshi added that Pakistan was now recognized by the world as a part of the solution and not a part of the problem due to its successful foreign policy.

About his recent visit to Iraq, Qureshi said that he briefed his Iraqi counterpart about the situation in IIOJK and reiterated that Pakistan desired peace in the region.

Earlier, FM Qureshi said that Pakistan greatly valued its relations with Iraq.

Speaking to his Iraqi counterpart Fuad Hussein in Baghdad, Qureshi said the fraternal relations between the two countries are deep-rooted in common history, religion and cultural values.

He added that there are vast opportunities for cooperation between the two countries in the areas of trade, investment, education, technology, and infrastructure development.

Qureshi maintained that both Pakistan and Iraq can share their experiences in the fight against terrorism.

While talking to the Iraqi diplomat, Qureshi further stated that resolution of the Palestine issue is imperative for peace in the Middle East and IIOJK dispute for peace in South Asia.

The foreign minister termed the adoption of the resolution on Palestine by the UN Human Rights Commission as a major success.

The FM further said that said Pakistan enjoyed cordial relations with the United Arab Emirates and it desired to further strengthen this relationship in future.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302834/modi-led-govt-will-have-to-restore-iiojks-special-status-fm-qureshi

What internal problem? Who has pressured India? Who recognized pakistan as part of the solution?

India has no compulsion to engage with Pakistan nor are we under pressure to do anything.
 
So you are admitting that US, France and Russia may have leverage over India. This is quite instructive as it shows that India looks to the west rather than the east for leadership. And as a westerner I can well understand why.

Russia and France who have helped India. There is a strategic relationship with these countries and hence they have leverage, just like India has with them.

US OTOH has leverage everywhere because of their economic clout.

Its understandable that as a pakistani you will think that India is looking for leadership from outside.

Unlike pakistan, which looks to other countries, sometimes Arabs, sometimes Turks, sometimes chinese, India doesn't.

Its more about the strategic relationship.
 
Don't wait listen, listen damnit!!

Bajwa, some british pakistanis with extra sauce of internet "patriotism" and Zaid Hamid types are riding thier arabian horses with shamsheer in thier hands to liberate not only Kashmir but the whole of India

You must be shivering with fear, I suggest you and all other indians start saving up for jizia taxes...

Don't say you weren't warned!

As we are friendies, please give me back a portion of the jizia taxes that I pay...
 
Modi-led govt will have to restore IIOJK's special status: FM Qureshi

Pakistan is now recognized by the world as a part of the solution to its successful foreign policy, the FM adds

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi reiterated on Tuesday that the Narendra Modi-led Indian government would have to restore the special status of Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK).

"India is faced with immense pressure due to its deteriorating internal situation," the foreign minister said in a statement.

Qureshi added that Pakistan was now recognized by the world as a part of the solution and not a part of the problem due to its successful foreign policy.

About his recent visit to Iraq, Qureshi said that he briefed his Iraqi counterpart about the situation in IIOJK and reiterated that Pakistan desired peace in the region.

Earlier, FM Qureshi said that Pakistan greatly valued its relations with Iraq.

Speaking to his Iraqi counterpart Fuad Hussein in Baghdad, Qureshi said the fraternal relations between the two countries are deep-rooted in common history, religion and cultural values.

He added that there are vast opportunities for cooperation between the two countries in the areas of trade, investment, education, technology, and infrastructure development.

Qureshi maintained that both Pakistan and Iraq can share their experiences in the fight against terrorism.

While talking to the Iraqi diplomat, Qureshi further stated that resolution of the Palestine issue is imperative for peace in the Middle East and IIOJK dispute for peace in South Asia.

The foreign minister termed the adoption of the resolution on Palestine by the UN Human Rights Commission as a major success.

The FM further said that said Pakistan enjoyed cordial relations with the United Arab Emirates and it desired to further strengthen this relationship in future.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302834/modi-led-govt-will-have-to-restore-iiojks-special-status-fm-qureshi

India will never give up Kashmir and Pakistan does not have any guts to snatch Kashmir from India. Kashmir will forever remain under Indian rule. It is high time we cease putting so much energy and effort into the liberation of Kashmir and put our house in order first.
 
India will never give up Kashmir and Pakistan does not have any guts to snatch Kashmir from India. Kashmir will forever remain under Indian rule. It is high time we cease putting so much energy and effort into the liberation of Kashmir and put our house in order first.

maybe you should re-read that article, they're not talking about independence rn - it's about India restoring the autonomous status of Kashmir as it was before August 2019
 
it's about India restoring the autonomous status of Kashmir as it was before August 2019

Yeah Agreed, makes more likely it will happen since a Pakistani FM says it.

If anything this now seals it that things will remain as it is..

Pakistan is a lost cause, in a 100 years from now they would still be broke and have their heads buried in Kashmir.
 
maybe you should re-read that article, they're not talking about independence rn - it's about India restoring the autonomous status of Kashmir as it was before August 2019

It does not really matter. We are not a credible or a strong country. Nobody cares what we say!
 
maybe you should re-read that article, they're not talking about independence rn - it's about India restoring the autonomous status of Kashmir as it was before August 2019

And why India will be dictated by Pakistan though? what leverage does pakistan have?
 
maybe you should re-read that article, they're not talking about independence rn - it's about India restoring the autonomous status of Kashmir as it was before August 2019

Not going to happen. Not only won't the BJP do it, but even if the Congress ever came back to power it would not do it.
 
India will never give up Kashmir and Pakistan does not have any guts to snatch Kashmir from India. Kashmir will forever remain under Indian rule. It is high time we cease putting so much energy and effort into the liberation of Kashmir and put our house in order first.

Does India have the “guts” to take the Pakistani part of Kashmir despite being the much larger country?
 
Does India have the “guts” to take the Pakistani part of Kashmir despite being the much larger country?

I thought it was "Azad Kashmir"....

Now it's "Pakistan part of Kashmir...."

I can see where it's going....
 
It is not interested unlike Pakistan who loves to poke its nose where it doesn’t belong.

Again with the misinformation. At least try to be subtle with it.

Top Indian politicians repeatedly have said that they intend to capture what they call “POK”.

Amit Shah and other major Indian politicians have given speeches in parliament where they cried about Kashmir. They definitely have the interest but just lack the capability.
 
Again with the misinformation. At least try to be subtle with it.

Top Indian politicians repeatedly have said that they intend to capture what they call “POK”.

Amit Shah and other major Indian politicians have given speeches in parliament where they cried about Kashmir. They definitely have the interest but just lack the capability.

Politicians say things to get their base excited, but the majority of Indians have no interest in annexing any part of Pakistan including PoK/Azad Kashmir. That is just taking on more trouble for little gain.
 
The question should be, what is India's move, after squandering the best moment to cease Kashmir in the 70s? Help Muslims and create another nation? Hahaha. The plight of India. Lack of an identity, yet try to steal another.
 
Again with the misinformation. At least try to be subtle with it.

Top Indian politicians repeatedly have said that they intend to capture what they call “POK”.

Amit Shah and other major Indian politicians have given speeches in parliament where they cried about Kashmir. They definitely have the interest but just lack the capability.

They aren’t obsessed with PoK as we are with IoK. Our PM regularly fires off tweets about IoK, asks fellow Muslim nations to recognise Indian atrocities ( although he is always given the cold shoulder), and goes to the UN and salivates about IoK. The whole country of Pakistan is fixated on IoK unlike India whose people strive to uplift themselves and contribute towards a better future rather than engage in such silly manoeuvres .
 
maybe you should re-read that article, they're not talking about independence rn - it's about India restoring the autonomous status of Kashmir as it was before August 2019

Lol. Not happening. Pakistan has no leverage on India. Not militarily, not economically and not diplomatically.
 
The question should be, what is India's move, after squandering the best moment to cease Kashmir in the 70s? Help Muslims and create another nation? Hahaha. The plight of India. Lack of an identity, yet try to steal another.

going by history, even if separatist movement occurs, over the time, people change their views.

North east had the same issues for decades in last century but as time progressed, the people moved away from that ideology.
 
Deep down even Imran Khan and Bajwa Saab know that Kashmir is history now after removal of it's special status. They only make pompous statements on Twitter to pacify the masses and show that they are doing something for Kashmir.
 
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